Cannabis Cultivation, Breeding, and Medical Benefits

0:00BubblemanLet's see if we can't. Oh, it's being sent to a live stream. Be great if it worked. That would be great if it worked. Oh, look at that. It's working. Holy smokes. Well, look at that. I finally figured it out. I cannot believe I finally figured this out. Well, welcome everybody to Hash Church 5.0, episode four. I think this might be one of the first times that it's actually gone live.

0:37BubblemanOn the screen that I created in YouTube a week ago. So thank you to Thomas from Grandmaster LED who helped me organize. Yes, John Maddox, it worked. And that's all thanks to Thomas from Grandmaster LED who kind of walked me through it the other day. And that's amazing. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, we usually create a live video On YouTube, a week before the show.

1:05BubblemanAnd what happens is, is that when I go live, it almost always creates a different link. So all the people that are waiting in the room have to move and we have to, you know, go to another room. And today we didn't have to do that. So yeah, look at that. Me and Skunk Man Sam in the room, just the two of us for now. I think we got a decent show happening today.

1:27BubblemanWe've got a couple of new folks that are going to be coming in for the conversation. We had a great show last week. For those of you that haven't noticed, I am broken in a big way. I have broken my clavicle about four days ago. I was skateboarding at the Skateboard Park in Whistler. It was my son's 10th birthday and I was having a blast just ripping around the skate park.

1:52BubblemanAnd I came down a real steep embankment. I came around the corner and I was flying and I hit a rock. And that rock utterly and completely crushed me. I'm just going to mute you there real quick, Sam. That rock actually just stopped me dead. I flew off my skateboard 10 to 15 feet into the air and I landed on my shoulder quite hard. I would say the equivalent of like your good buddy hitting you with a bat at about 70%.

2:22BubblemanAnd now I've got a broken clavicle. So nothing shall stop us here at Hash Church, nor rain, nor shine, nor broken clavicle. I will be here. And yeah, that's what happens to Mojave. What did you do? I broke my toe. Oh, my God, dude. Wow. And you did this in the last week? Yeah. Oh, did you do it on August 27th?

2:50SpeakerNo, I didn't. And I'm sure it was not nearly as fun as how you broke your clavicle. Dude, I'm telling you. But yeah, I just accidentally kicked the fricking baseboard, goofing around with my son.

3:03BubblemanSo I was also playing with my son at the Whistler Skate Park. He was, it's his 10th birthday. Him and his buddy are all on scooters and I'm skateboarding. And yeah, I just, I hit a rock going a super high speed. It made that sound. And then I flew. And when I landed, I just remember like, ooh, like the most insane sound and how I knew I was hurt before I knew I was hurt because the adrenaline pumps through your body so fast was when I heard all the 20 somethings in the skate park, like at least 15 of them go.

3:40BubblemanWhen I heard that, I was like, oh, that was probably bad. And so, you know, 20 minutes later, I'm at like world-class hospital, top trauma people. I got a tank of nitrous oxide with my own regulator. You know, I'm just sucking on that nitrous oxide because I told them I don't take the opioids. You know, I hyper-metabolize those things and they make me feel really, really sick.

4:04BubblemanBut I have to admit, It was neat to take nitrous oxide, not like at a fish show. It really works. Yeah, it's wild. It didn't make me dizzy. Usually any of that stuff just makes me feel weird. I also wasn't on a psychedelic, so it was the first time I think I'd ever tried nitrous not tripping balls. So yeah, it was what it was. Both you and I are broken today.

4:34BubblemanYeah. Did you have a gravity event? A gravity event? Yes. I did have a gravity event. I had a major gravity event. And let me tell you, for those people that don't believe in gravity, It's real. I can assure you it is real and it hurts when you fall down like that. I've never broken a clavicle. I've broken most of my fingers, my wrists, my arm, both my ankles, my cossacks, my collarbone.

5:05BubblemanI'm probably missing a couple that I can't really remember, but I believe this was my 17th bone I broke at 51 years old. So... Yeah, skateboarding, snowboarding, dirt biking, downhill mountain biking, just being an all-around maniac for most of my life. Yeah, well, welcome, everybody. Welcome Skunk Man Sam and Mojave and Etienne and Colin and whoever iPhone 64 is about to enter. It's probably our new guy because I don't know anyone else that comes in on a phone.

5:39BubblemanWe'll see. We'll see. There they are. They're sitting right there with the black screen.

5:46BubblemanThanks. Keep it simple. I will get well soon. It's not as bad as a broken collarbone. That was five weeks of immobility. This is not so bad. Pretty bad, but not as bad. That's enough of talking about my broken bone.

6:03Collin PalmeriPhone 64. Is that a Masonic? Edgar, is that you? Masonic?

6:07SpeakerYeah, that's me. I'm getting in here. I'm learning how to use this real quick. There we go. Boom.

6:13BubblemanBoom. What's up, homie?

6:15SpeakerWhat's up, G? How you guys doing?

6:17Collin PalmerGood to have you on, bro.

6:19BubblemanAll broken up, but we've already been through that, so now it's probably about starting to hit some dabs. And let me tell you about the pain... Reducing benefits of cannabis. You really feel it when you crush yourself and get hurt. And I believe Wade was talking about that either last week or the week before, you know, spending so much of his life really preparing cannabis for people who really need it, but being on the other side of it.

6:45BubblemanAnd I believe that he said something like, you know, I feel blessed that I'm now on this side and I'm able to use cannabis and see it from a really firsthand point. You know, when you get something serious like Wade has. I mean, obviously we've been preaching it, but when you get into it, like even my wife was like, are those gummies really helping you? I'm like, unbelievably so.

7:07BubblemanNo Tylenol, no Advil, no Tylenol 3s, just cannabis wonderfulness. Hell yeah, dude.

7:15SpeakerThis really works. It's a THCA bomb and a friend of mine makes it. And, you know, I'm a skeptic about everything in life. You know, I like to know, but this stuff really works. And for a while I was like, oh, my buddy gave it to me. And when I rub it on my elbow, of course, I'm going to think good thoughts and feel happy emotions and, you know, cure my little pains.

7:35SpeakerBut after doing this for a while, this THCA with some other little stuff, it's an amazing pain relief.

7:44Collin PalmerYeah, I agree, man. I find that some of the topicals at high dose milligrams, like 7,000 milligrams of CBD, 7,200, really actually helps.

7:58Collin PalmerThere's no denying it. There are cannabinoids as well.

8:01Etienne FontanThat brings up a problem because, agreed, medicinal dosage is a higher dosage. And here stateside, we're limiting dosage, right? Because at least here in California, you're limited to 100 milligrams dosage per, et cetera. And so since 2018, it's been a problem for my serious medical patients. Thank you for joining us.

8:45Etienne FontanThis is a conundrum on the ground for the individual patient still that we are unable to get the medicine needed depending on the legislation within the state.

8:55BubblemanSo yeah, you're not wrong. It's that way in Canada too. Unfortunately, we obviously have a weird thing in Canada. We've got this federal legalization thing going on. We've got medical. So if you're a medical patient, there's sort of access obviously when it was only medical and everyone was hiding behind it to protect their grows. I'm not judging. I'm just saying that's what was happening. It was more accessible.

9:19BubblemanThe minute recreational came in, All of the medical people just jumped into my message. They just, let me mute you real quick. They just, it's not accessible here either. Basically 10 milligrams is the limit that you can get in Canada. Now you can go to a rec store and buy a gram of live resin or live rosin or distillate for anywhere from probably 15 to $30. So if you have a little bit of knowledge, you can go buy extracts and Thank you for joining us.

10:12BubblemanI'm truly a 10 milligram guy. I can, you know, when I'm hurt, I'll probably take, you know, four or five of those in a day, which is still only 50 milligrams. Whereas my homie Thomas from Grandmaster LED, I mean, he took 2400 milligrams on the plane ride the last time I went to Germany with him and didn't die, like didn't like wasn't a zombie, wasn't, you know, blubbering and slobbering and like was completely 100% present.

10:40BubblemanAnd so we all also have different metabolization rates. We all are affected by cannabinoids differently. And so, you know, I do feel for the patients that have that sort of Thank you for joining us.

11:14SpeakerYou know, like when it's just like someone gave me a drink and they're like 10 milligram drinks and I'm like, man, I have to drink five of these and that's insane. Or if they're gummies or whatever, it's like I have to drink, eat all these. It's like, just give me a therapeutic dose in an edible form though. It's nice to, you know. Yeah.

11:30BubblemanNo, I shout out White Rabbit because it's a local company here. I bumped into them a while ago. You know, this dude Dave was just at an event I went to called the Collector's Cup and he was way off in the corner and he was giving away gummies and they were like the square gummies and they kind of had the little bit of You know, cane sugar on them.

11:47BubblemanSo I'd seen this style before, but when I tasted his, he had like habanero mango and banana maca. And he had these like he had an actual formulator working with his company that was actually producing these flavor profiles based on the flavor profiles of the volatile organic compounds that were present in the plant. And I thought, this is fucking awesome. No, no real sugar, a tiny little bit of cane sugar.

12:10BubblemanHe was sweetening them with brown rice syrup. You know, they were all vegan. They were all just like incredible, like the quality and the caliber. And I thought, well, this is a good idea to, you know, make this available. There's other gummies on the market. I was taking these pearls for a while, but it's sugar, right? And if you're consistently taking these things, you know, and you're doing it sort of for, You know, the benefit of your health, you it probably doesn't take much to figure out that, you know, consuming sugar on a daily basis, any extra considering they put it in your bread and all your condiments and just everything to consume a low amount of sugar.

12:48Bubblemanis truly to be a conscious human being in today's day and age because it is difficult i saw a guy the other day and this i don't think we have these up in canada we might it was a dunkin donuts and he got this pumpkin latte spice thing it was like a big milkshake and this thing had 185 grams of sugar now this is like diabetes all day long and now that we're getting to the point where people are starting to realize That type three diabetes is dementia.

13:18BubblemanThat's Alzheimer's disease. That's the loss of access to your memories. And so as they put that connection, and I think it was I don't know if it was Huberman or one of these other podcast medical guys that was the first person I saw mention that. No, it was actually the dude that turned Dana White's health around. I can't remember him. He's another kind of online doctor dude.

13:42BubblemanAnd I was like, no, that can't be true. And the more and more I searched it, the more and more I realized, yeah, like almost every country in the world associates type three diabetes with dementia and Alzheimer's. North America is kind of the only country Thank you so much for joining us.

14:20Collin PalmerIt's it's interesting when you've seen a healthy person go through a neurological disease and then all this other constituents start to cave in on it and seeing cannabinoids in the mix on that at high doses. I mean, you're seeing I'm seeing things that I can't explain, like full stop on tremors. Being able to talk better, better use of their muscles. It's just all over, man. But it's, yeah.

14:47Collin PalmerAnd that's where I think just better product, to your point, ATN, is like, it's just needed, man. We're just in a weird modality right now. It's not just that.

14:58Etienne FontanIt's exactly what you're talking about, that team. It's not just high dosage. One of the earlier things we learned in the medical community here in California is Was that again, all of our products were made by patients because of their medical needs. So we had SUCA, we had various types of natural sugar products available, low glycemic, all kinds of different things that people were making. Unfortunately, due to the legalization here in California, we lost almost 99% of all those products and product lines.

15:36Etienne FontanThank you for joining us.

16:01Etienne FontanAre a huge problem depending on your disease and et cetera, what you're going through. And we know if you have cancers and things like that, you should be avoiding sugars altogether, you know, outright because sugar helps feed those cancers depending on the type of cancer, et cetera. So, you know, proper dietary choices, just having non-sugar choices that are healthy. Where are they? Are they accessible to you?

16:30Etienne FontanBecause they're not accessible to me so much as they used to be. And that's a huge conundrum when, hi, I've just found out I'm stage four and the only thing available to me is all sugar products. So consumers watching, you need to talk to manufacturers and demand these things. That's why we carried them originally when we realized, oh, I'm diabetic and I need this type of product because there's no other type of product on the market for me.

16:57Etienne FontanThank you so much for joining us.

17:17Collin PalmerYou know you have to be a super fan and also really connected to the plant to understand that need right and that it's you know we talk about this a lot in music where whole the industry basically sold the catalogs to these streaming services for equitable positions in those companies right and the only way they get paid is through the streaming which gives them better equitable positions right right and it's almost the same situation in cannabis where People like us who really care connected to it are not in positions more often than not.

17:49Collin PalmerWe're not in positions to make these products because those people that are making those products don't have the same connection. They don't understand the same need of patients. They're looking at Thank you so much for joining us.

18:17BubblemanIt's about the bottom line is, is that these companies that would want to control this and create these products and bring them to market and stabilize and shelves, you know, all of these different things, they don't have the connection to the production and the creation of these unique volatile organic compound profiles, these unique cannabinoid profiles, although a lot is THCA, I will admit, you know, even when we made cultivars that had CBC and THCV and CBGA and all of these other cannabinoids.

18:51BubblemanMost people in the dabbing world anyway just thought it was weird. It's got a weird texture. CBGA in particular is a weird texture. If you're a big dabber and you start dabbing that, you'll be like, oh, this is this is waxy and weird. I don't think I like this very much. But the bottom line is, is when you look at all of these incredible cultivars that have been produced.

19:11BubblemanAnd I remember Wendy Turner.

19:17BubblemanWhat's his, her son's name? How am I spacing on his name right now? Crohn's disease. Colton, exactly. Colton Turner. So when she came in and she was like, I thank you guys. Cause I said, you're such a middle American mom. Like you must look at us like we're a bunch of hippies. And she's like, I love you guys more than you'll ever imagine. You guys were the keepers of the plant.

19:38BubblemanYou guys were the ones that kept these plants alive all of these years so that Colton could come along, learn about this, gain access to plants and And be able to turn his crones around in a way that we had never seen before. So there's this connection of the roots of the people who, like Skunk Man Sam, who traveled to all these hash producing countries, Who planted these insane amount of seeds, who collected these incredible, you know, cultivars in order to use as breeding stock.

20:08BubblemanAnd now, you know, we've gone down so many generations and there's people like Masonic and there's people like Flux and Ramon and all of these incredible people that are just keeping this work alive. To me, That is the basis of all of everything that we're talking about. That is the most important factor. And that's kind of what we're going to be talking about today. Fino hunting and breeding and how selection is done.

20:35BubblemanI know that how Sam did it is probably very different from how people are doing it now with populations being so decreased. Thank you so much for joining us.

21:08BubblemanStoked to maybe have you tell us a little bit about kind of how you got into this and where your specialty lies in regards to how you how you choose your breeding stock and how you choose your your phenos.

21:24Collin PalmerYeah, and the other thing I want to say about Masonic is, you know, You know, we met a few years ago in person and we really kind of connected on this concept of the love of flavor profiles. And then we started talking about music. And, you know, one thing I noticed about Edgar and Masonic is that he doesn't need permission. He just he does what he feels.

21:45Collin PalmerAnd I think that's kind of the spirit of everyone here on the panel is like what we came up in. It was we didn't have permission. It just was we were we were drawn to this in a way that was It was bigger than us, right? And you're continuing that spirit in a way that allows you to connect with culture, make friends, and build your own little culture around that.

22:08Collin PalmerAnd to me, that's what it's all about, man. It's great to see you so connected and just loving what you're doing. It's genuine love that I see. So it's very cool to see that. You know, he's working with Shiskeberry and Marcus again. And to hear like that come up as a varietal 25 years removed from when we touched it and had good success with it is amazing and kind of brings a full circle for me.

22:37Collin PalmerSo I think it'd be great.

22:38BubblemanI saw that this morning, dude, and it made me talk about all that and just kind of.

22:43Collin PalmerGo ahead. Yeah, just tell us about it, man. But I wanted to just kind of get that bit in there to give you give the viewers, you know, the color that, you know, you're doing your thing through passion, man.

22:56SpeakerYou know, thank you guys, for starters, for letting me be a part of this. I'm, you know, I was on here before, but it's night and day, you know. You know, from last time I was here, I feel as far as headspace. But I started smoking weed like everybody I'd imagined. You know, we love smoking weed. And next thing you know, I ran out of this really quality bag of weed that I had got in one high school summer when I graduated.

23:24SpeakerMy father gave me a pound of sour diesel and I lost that pound of sour diesel because I wasn't necessarily the best hustler. I was more so a consumer and You know, next thing you know, the thing's gone and I'm like, yo, how do we get this going again? And I'm like, I'm gonna have to start growing it. So I started like from like I'm 18 years old and then I'm probably growing for like till, you know, just growing, pumping out the yard to like 2016.

23:51SpeakerAnd all I knew was I didn't know anything about like, you know, males and females make Seeds. All I knew was kill the ones that are males and leave all the girls and, you know, you'll be happy. So that's what I did for like six years. And then I opened, you know, I found out about forms and little forms like I never got into any of them, though.

24:15SpeakerI would go look into it and I would just look away. I'd be like, no, that's too much for me. Like, I'm going to just go back to this remedial landscape, you know, and I would just do my do my gardening. I'd blow up the garden to the best of my ability. So that's what I was doing. And then 2016 came along. And that's when I finally opened up Instagram.

24:33SpeakerAnd it wasn't through YouTube. It wasn't through the forums. It wasn't through anything else that I seen this big world of growers. You know, there's just a bunch of people that are growing and they're open about it. You know, even around that time, people were still kind of like, do we show this off? Do we not show this off on Instagram? And I was like, oh, cool.

24:52SpeakerThis is cool. A lot of people to take a muse from. So I started just imitating the greats from there. And, you know, The breeding kind of came because I had tools, like I had a Tropicana Cherry Pie Tangy before Tropicana F2 was invented, which was one of the better hash varieties. So I was growing that Tropicana. on instagram and people were taking notice i didn't necessarily know what i had at the time i just was associating with people that vibed with me so they gave me tools to help me in my journey unknowingly that was bloom at the time you know so i'm just like cool i'm already in good graces of bloom still am to this day he's one of my you know first mentors first person that ever gave me seeds and he's the guy behind papaya tropicana all that good stuff so he had gave me the precursors to the tropicana f2 wave And I'm growing them and people are taking notice.

25:43SpeakerAnd I'm like, cool, I got something cool. I even noticed at the time Jungle Boys was growing the same seed stock variety that I was. And I'm just like, cool, like I'm on the right path, you know, and straight seeds got made with those seeds. And I'm like, very transparent about my approach. Like I like I show everything. Oh, look, there's freaking You know, this got hit by a random mail here and people are like, I'll take one, you know, and I'll be like, here, I send it to a person around the way.

26:10SpeakerAnd, and keep in mind, I've been growing for like six years, just blowing up the backyard, blowing up the backyard, filling up the garage, you know, breaking down all the weed. I would blast a lot. Like since 2012, I was open blasting. I might've done a little five gallon bucket washer in there, but. It like the squeeze wasn't worth it. I was like, nah, like, let's not do that.

26:31SpeakerLet's just keep blasting it, you know. And so we did open blasting for a very long time, like 2012 to like I started till I reached Instagram and back to the Tropicana Cherry Pie Tangy. Those seeds got made. People started inquiring. I started kind of like liking it, like, oh, that's cool. Like, that is that, you know, like, oh, this is kind of like, you know, part of that.

26:54SpeakerBrandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brownie Mary,

27:12SpeakerAnything worth it, you know, in order to even consume it, you know, because that's what it's all about. Because I would smoke my own weed and I just had enough to nickel and dime on the, you know, Compton Boulevard. I would literally sell my weed and on Central in downtown LA, like I would literally go to the shadiest places to go sell my, my shatter that I made with my open nug run.

27:32SpeakerBut that's what I did. And then I had a mail. I'm bouncing back and forth. I had a mail and I advertised it on Instagram. I was like, yo, who wants this mail? Who wants to like, it's the Tropicana Cherry Pai Tanji mail. Who wants it? Somebody raised their hand almost immediately. I gave them the mail. I'm not thinking about breeding or making seeds though. I'm still like, oh, we're like pumping out these plants.

27:53SpeakerWe're taking nice pictures. We're doing the whole thing. I'm growing a bunch of papaya femmes maybe at the time because that's what was out at the moment. And I'm just like, you know, being a team player, you know, I'm not, Breeding with all the tools that are just given to me. I'm just growing plants to grow plants and I'm smoking it after. And then, you know, a whole flower cycle later from that mail given to that, to the dude that I gave it to, he comes back to me and he's like, yo, I got these seeds.

28:20SpeakerAnd I'm like, oh, you do have those seeds. Like, like you do have those seeds. So almost immediately I tell all of Instagram, yo, Instagram, I have plush berry, tropicana, cherry pie, tangy. And Agent Orange, Tropicana, Cherry Pie, Tangie. And people were like, I'll take two. And I was like, holy shit. Like, I think this is what I need to do. You know, like, this is make this is worth the squeeze.

28:44SpeakerLike, apparently, I have a calling. And that's that's when I went to Chalice that year. And I met Bloom in person because I had all this was done online. All these seed trends, you know, seed gatherings were done via mail online. Finally, I'm like, oh, they're in town. They're in Atalanto. I'm like two and a half hours away in Compton. I'm going to make it over there.

29:07SpeakerSo I made it over there and I met Bloom. And that's when he gave me the next five tools that I was going to use in my journey. Scratch that, that I was growing papaya at the time. I know where I was because that's when he gave me, you know, papaya punch, banana OG papaya. Fabuloso Papaya, which is Arcade's Fabuloso. It's like a, he's a cool dude.

29:29SpeakerAnd then there was three, Chem, which is from Top Dog, crossed to Papaya as well. And there was one more, Dosido Papaya. So those were the five tools. And he also gave me the Tropicana F2. So I had those six tools, took those home, grew those out to grow them. Like I'm still growing, I'm not breeding yet. And then I, like I had a nice Tropicana F2 male and I had all these nice papaya selections.

29:54SpeakerAnd something told me, like, I hit up Harry Palms almost immediately. That's Bloom. And I was like, hey, can I make seeds with these? This is the first time that I'm going to make seeds. And he's like, dude, rock that shit. And that's when Wilson was born. That's Banana OG, Papaya, Tropicana F2. So everything just kind of just natural organically with the good graces of the breeder and then kind of just being a team player, you know.

30:18SpeakerAnd that's how Wilson was born. And that was somewhere around like 17, I want to say.

30:25BubblemanNice, dude. I love to hear the story of how Wilson was born. That's fucking awesome. I love how you got called into it too. You know, there's so many different ways to feel the pull and, and, you know, kind of like Colin was saying, you don't have to, you know, just go do your thing, you know, follow your journey and let that journey lead you towards. It's these people who have this obsession.

30:47BubblemanWhat I've noticed is, and I don't know if we share like a heightened olfactory or if it's just this utter and complete passion and love. Thank you so much for joining us.

31:25Etienne Fontanothers who taught us saw their passion in us and so they lifted us up right and so that's our responsibility and that's why we volunteer our time here at hash church to spread and teach because we were taught many of us for free with the only expense being pay it forward in the future and we're very fortunate to have The ability and the freedom now to speak because all of us used to hide underground, just like you were talking about.

31:55Etienne FontanYou had to go find your people and they had to absorb you and trust you. You have to build that trust. And that is something we were all forced to do because it used to be illegal. And so that was another camaraderie that we used to rally around. I used to only hire activists because we were expecting to get arrested every day. Now I don't have to do that because You know, we've changed and the things shifted, but you're carrying on the noble.

32:23Etienne FontanI consider the growers the most noblest of them all of us because you're the ones that have been perpetuating. You're the ones who've been taking the risk. You are dealing with the risks of how you grow, where you grow, and what you grow to keep it safe, clean, and proper. And me and my patients all appreciate everything and all the risks that you've taken. Nothing but love and great respect to all you growers.

32:47BubblemanYeah. And shout out, shout out to Breeders Steve. I saw that post you made today, Masonic, and it put a smile on my face. You know, that was, that was the birth of bubble bags, the Shishka Berry, because I had tried the isolator bags, the two bag system. And I just wasn't, I wasn't stoked. This was in like 98, I guess. I moved to British Columbia in 96 from Manitoba after doing that whole hemp thing out there.

33:14BubblemanCame out here. The only friend I really had was Hillary Black. And Hillary linked me up pretty early on with Breeders Steve. And so by 98, when I was trying these bags and kind of sort of figuring out that I might end up doing my own bags, what led me to that was the first time I ever ran Shishka Berry because Steve had called me up and he was like, look, I got some Shishka Berry.

33:37BubblemanIt's the yellow line. It's really frosty trim. Let's let's let's try those bags. And it actually produced a full melt hash from a two bag system. So everything from the 190 went into like the 70 micron bag just Thank you for watching.

34:13BubblemanBut without that shish keberry and that shish keberry, I mean, I could tell a lot of stories because Steve was very close. I had access to both the red and the yellow, and I smoked that weed all over the world and had that weed for hash making. And it was just every time when I first smelt the barb from Great Gardener. Immediately knew it was Shishka Berry.

34:34BubblemanWhen I first smoked the Nicole from Marimberos in Colombia, Alessandro, I immediately knew that he used Shishka Berry. It's just this crazy dominant flavor profile that is unmistakable. Yet I haven't seen actual Shishka Berry in like 25 years. So be nice to see that come back.

34:58Collin PalmerThat's dope. We got to run those seeds from you. You know, the, the Shiskeberry sounds, if you can find a Shiskeberry leaner in there, it seems like even with your Wilson attached to it, it seems like it may, it may improve the line.

35:13SpeakerSo the Shishkaberry came through me via a hash jar. So Triple OG Ice House Melts, he won Legends of Hash first place with a Pink 57, which is a Shishkaberry Old Widow. That's what they have. So he came to my house like around the time he had won second place with the Lemon Dog shit. He came to my, to my garden and he whips out this jar and I'm like, yo, what the fuck is this?

35:44SpeakerLike, this is like, like in that papaya realm, you know, at the time I was telling him like, this is that fruity stuff. It's not, there's no light on this. What is this? He's like, that's shish keberry, you know? And I'm like, I need this, you know, somehow, some way a shish keberry plant ended up in my garden. And then, you know, I made seeds with it and just kept repopulating the forward line towards all the peach varieties that I thought looked better than the initial.

36:10SpeakerSo, like, that's what I have as far as seed stock. Every time you hear anything Shishkaberry from Macy's, the seeds made with that clone. But that's how I got put on game with it. I smoked it. I was like, yo, I need that. I ended up with it. And then a couple, like, years later, like a year later, I ended up at Spanibus. I'm just walking through And I, and I looked to my right and great gardeners there.

36:34SpeakerAnd I'm like, yo, whoa, you're the, you're the barbed bud guy. And I'm like, let me grab a couple of packs of those. So I grabbed some rags. I grabbed some fans. I go home. I throw them in the dirt almost immediately. Shishka Berry. I'm like, cool. Like, like everything adds up. It all makes sense. So, and then the year after that, I grabbed more just for the, you know, just, just, just because, cause they're so nice, you know?

36:54SpeakerAnd, but yeah, I'm like super down as far as that, you know, Story of where I got Shishka Berry. That's it. You know, like this is who I got it from. That's how I got it. And that's the work I've done with it. And as far as the clone, the Legends of Hash winning variety. And the Barbara bud, it's all the same shade of gray, you know, and then the candy shish keberry just won first place again with the mix of a starburst.

37:20SpeakerAnd, you know, I could only imagine how good that was. But yeah, the shish keberry, it's something old that I'm spotlighting right now. Like, you know, that's why I always give shout out Breeders Steve, shout out Gray Gardner, you know, it's, What's Shishka Berry? Shit, let me ask Breeders Steve. I went on FaceTime with him. He talked to me like it was, you know, one of the coolest combos I've had with a person in the weed industry or the game or the culture, whatever you want to call it in a while.

37:46SpeakerBut it's just it's humbling. You know, I'm very, very thankful. And it's it's a blessing to be around people like that and have those tools.

37:56BubblemanOh, yeah, dude. Well, it's important work. You know, it's it is really important work in the sense that it's only the people who have this obsession that care enough to protect and create these different, you know, flavor profiles that are going to end up, you know, when they end up in in certain hands, they end up becoming the foundation of this entire medical cannabis industry. You know, like we don't want swag.

38:20BubblemanWe want like the best that we can. And it's interesting how it translates that like the dankest herb that you just can't put down, that you just want to keep smoking nonstop also happens to translate to the best medicine for people that actually don't really have an interest in like maybe the flavor profiles and all these other things. But it's it's an interesting, invisible connection that This obsession and this love of cannabis has this invisible tether to producing, you know, these profiles that, you know, are great for getting high.

38:54BubblemanAnd I never I never you know, that's that's not a negative. I'm like, Sam, I love getting high. I would fight for people's rights to get high. There's just like another level to it when it's about someone taking care of their health. There's there's it's always been that way for me since I met Hillary Black. And she was doing the BC Compassion Club. And it was like, oh, okay, so this is different, right?

39:16BubblemanOver here, we've got the hustle and we're making and selling and flipping and flopping. But over here, this is like, we gotta have, there has to be a level of philanthropy involved. This can't be the same over here as it is over here. And unfortunately, in Canada right now, they're pretty much the same.

39:36Collin PalmerYeah, it's our way in the States too, man. It started out, you know, 2015, we all, you know, you know, before even for 2015, it just, once the structure came, it just all kind of, it seemed to be a ploy to get to where we're at. But as I said before, the music analogy, it's sort of where the, our industry is at, where No one truly owns anything.

40:00Collin PalmerIt's all VCs and a bunch of people that are investing. And those that are hanging on are so small that it's hard to compete with that at that level. And then, you know, it clouds the water, right? Like who's right in that moment, right? So it's, and then the consumer isn't really buying with their brain. They're buying with their back pocket because they're going towards price, not who they're buying it from.

40:26Etienne FontanSo, well, that comes down to a huge problem. And I actually applied to the DCC's actual oversight board because everybody's like, what's wrong with cannabis? And they don't understand. Can I go on a slight diatribe for a second? Yeah. Give everybody why we're fucked up here in California. The DCC doesn't know cannabis. They don't use cannabis, right? So they don't understand that it's a simple product, right?

40:53Etienne FontanOkay, let's see. All right, so I have a jar here, right? And I put a small bud in here. That small bud goes in this jar. This jar is chock full of oxygen, right? What are the three things that kill cannabis? Oxygen, light, and heat, right? Majority of everything, of course, is, you know, In glass containers. So we've talked about this before, but if you used a simple gas ratio of 80% nitrogen, 20% argon gas, and you pumped it in instead of leaving this full of oxygen, what's happened is a major shift.

41:32Etienne FontanAnd let me walk you back through some history people. Before 2018, I purchased from small Farmers growing high terpene rich small batch cannabis. I would take that cannabis. I would hold it for three weeks where I would have it tested. I would have it actually done with a plate test. And then when those were clean, then we would package it into grams, eighths and ounces. And maximum I would buy would be usually three to five kilos per batch tops max, usually one to two kilos per.

42:14Etienne FontanThat packaged and sold would go out the door within two weeks maximum. Word of mouth, et cetera. Again, before, we're all now just 7-Eleven selling the same product. Prior, I had local regional farmers and local products like FGUI, Constance, that people would come to me for because it was fresh, perpene rich, small batch cannabis. The problem that we have now, post 2018, we've got large batch cannabis, mid-grade, some high grade, being absolutely massacred from its trimming.

42:56Etienne FontanIt's basically massacred from trimming on down. I see as I travel to large manufacturers, they're putting all the same batch cannabis in one huge bag, sometimes 10 kilos plus in a bag. OK, and they're throwing these bags around like it's a fucking football. So you've got product being shaken up, not being well taken care of in non-refrigerated environments, because as we know, anything above the room temperature of the grow room that was in, terpenes, diterpenes, everything is starting to evaporate, right?

43:34Etienne FontanIf they're not actually kept in a safe environment. So we're not refrigerating it, keeping it the same way as a beer or something has where it's from manufacturing all the way to the end. Two, we don't have quality product that's going out quickly. It's tonnage sitting on shelves in boxes being eaten with oxygen. And that oxygen in that bottle, remember, as we've talked about in Hash Church, every three months, it chemically changes, right?

44:07Etienne FontanSo it's actually more CBN and it's degrading, right? Well, sometimes I get my products that are six months to a year old at my dispensary. And so you're getting stale product. You're getting fully oxygenated product in glass jars and not refrigerated. So, and of course the big, the issue of course then is 11% humidity for packaging, right? To do it properly. So all of these things are somehow the conundrum that the Department of Cannabis Control cannot somehow understand, but we all do because one, I'm a patient, two, I was a grower, and I have an understanding as how Thank you for joining us.

45:21Etienne FontanWe see the quality change, everything go up. So other states that are listening, we fucked up. You heard how we fucked up to do it differently than how we did it so that you're better.

45:33BubblemanDude, you nailed that. It's almost like you're an expert on this subject. That's fucking crazy, dude.

45:39SpeakerCan I add an anecdote to that, ATN, that I think is interesting? I'm not going to name the grower or the product, but I ran into someone who recently won an award at an event for some old flour. And it's because he knows how to store his flour. And literally, it was past due, past COA, right? But he entered it. He's like, dude, this is the bomb.

46:03SpeakerIt's better than what I have. He threw it in there. And then he's like, talk about the next competition. He's like, yeah, I'm going to throw it in the next one too. So it'll be like a year and a half old at that point. But he's just like, look, dude, I know how to store flour properly. There's a way to do it. There's right. You know, it's like and you can easily have shitty flour from three months ago that looks worse than three years ago if you do it right.

46:29BubblemanThat's also true. It's all the supply chain, the cold supply chain. If you have a cold supply chain, there it is. It's like we're all selling spinach in a warm fucking container and sending it across the country and just like, oh, it's sitting in the warehouse for a couple of days. It's 105 degrees Fahrenheit. It should be good. You open it up and it's just fucking like liquid.

46:51BubblemanIt's like we need a cold supply chain. I tell in Canada, it's fucking crazy because when you go to the store in Canada and it's getting a little bit better now, they have these little extraction fridges now that they never used to have. But what you would generally see even like up to a year ago and still today in most of the shops is you'll see a little fridge.

47:11BubblemanAnd if you go to the little fridge, It is full of beverages that have 10 milligrams of distillate in it. So the only thing they're keeping cold are 10 milligram distillate shot nano emulsified beverages. And that's what they're keeping cold. All of the flour, all of the hash, everything is just off gassing like crazy. Some of the, you know, it's in Canada, it gets hot in the summer, man, like 30, 40 degrees in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

47:40BubblemanThis is like 100 plus Fahrenheit. It's just cooking. So yes, there would be a cost to keep their vault cold in those in those months. I think they only are allowed to display packaging. So it's kind of like, I mean, you can put kind of buds out, but people realized quick that the way the Canadian Thank you so much for joining us today.

48:27BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

48:52BubblemanWell, before the fresh frozen days, I threw it in my freezer. I sucked the air out of it. I threw it in my freezer.

48:59SpeakerIt was really not that hard.

49:01BubblemanIt's not. It really isn't. I had it there for six years, Sam. Six years. I opened it up and people like, dude, what are you doing with that? I'm like, this is new process. I'm going to. All of you really have to do. He's teasing us.

49:33BubblemanSkunk Man Sam's trolling us.

49:36Etienne FontanYes, he's frozen. See, he's talking.

49:39SpeakerThe secret is... Put it in an inert gas, keep it away from light and heat. And, I mean, they do it with nuts. In little foil packs. Right.

49:53Etienne FontanAnd in your coffee. I mean, that was the thing is originally that the thought was the 80% nitrogen, 20% CO2. But when cannabis degrades, it turns to CO2. So that was why the suggestion of the argon to, you know, stabilize the air around it. So no matter how it shifts, if it's kept, you know, it would there be therefore be as shelf stable as possible.

50:18Dr Mark ScialdoneThe reason why they used argon is because argon is heavier than air. So you got to remember air is 79% nitrogen, right? So the difference between just regular nitrogen, 100% nitrogen is the oxygen that's in there. So it's going to take longer to sweep out a container if you're just using nitrogen as opposed to argon. Argon's heavier than air.

50:47BubblemanThat's why in Canada, when we dry suit dive in the cold Pacific Ocean, we use argon gas to inject it into our dry suits and it keeps us warmer. And so there's another use for it. Shout out to Savvy Terps for talking about noble gases about half an hour before we started talking about them in chat.

51:06Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, I use I've used it in in ovens before, Mark, to to keep the environment in that oven, you know.

51:19Collin PalmerI've done some really interesting work doing that.

51:26SpeakerI don't know if this is real, but like about 10 years ago, someone I know, maybe less, maybe it was about eight years ago, someone claimed to have bought the rights to the regional nitrogen packing that everyone was going to have to buy into If they did that in cannabis. And he basically took me aside and he's like, you realize that everyone thinks this is going to be the future, but this is a patented process.

51:52SpeakerAnd the guy who holds that patent, I just made a deal with for California. And he thought he was going to make millions because the whole industry was going to go towards the nitro packed cans. And anyway, I don't know if he was full of shit or not, but it was interesting to see like, okay, this is, you know, that's the kind of Thank you so much for joining us.

52:36Dr Mark ScialdoneExcuse me?

52:37Etienne FontanThey're doing the same with coffee. Before they do with all your coffee, and that's why it's open and you feel that rush in is because along the process of the machinery, there's a puff station right before the close station. And it literally is the puff then seals in its clothes and it goes, and that is keeping the oxygen out of your coffee so your coffee doesn't degrade.

53:01Etienne FontanIf you weren't aware, I don't drink coffee, but That I know.

53:08BubblemanYeah. Yeah. Very good. Very good. Welcome. GML just popped into the room. Well, are you in a desert or something, dude? Yeah. Morning.

53:20SpeakerMorning. I don't drink coffee either.

53:24BubblemanI've never drank coffee. My wife, I both don't drink coffee. People would stay at our house and be like, hey, where's your coffee? And we'd be like, coffee? Like you can twist up a joint if you want. And they'd just be like, you could see the concern in their face, bro. Like people really, there's something about suppressing adenosine, like just like not having that feeling in your mind.

53:44BubblemanI don't get it. I don't know it, but I certainly know there are a lot of people out there that beyond love it.

53:51SpeakerIt was pushed on me when I was in like grade three, and I just didn't like the taste, and I still don't to this day. Damn, you got hit up with the coffee dealers in grade three? Well, sneaking out. I remember sneaking out of the house with my cousin in grade three, going down to Commercial Drive and playing Street Fighter II.

54:08BubblemanOh, at the Italian coffee shop.

54:11SpeakerAt the Hasty Market. And yeah, just remember them offering me coffee. My wife cannot get up without coffee. Wow.

54:21BubblemanSo she's got the coffee maker in the bed with her or...

54:25Collin PalmerWhen you, if you, if you freeze, they make, they sell these online, freeze a, there's like a metal ball you can freeze in the freezer or even do it with a round ice cube. If you make espresso and have it pour over top of the cold frozen ice cube or a frozen piece of metal, the coffee will have a much, a much different taste to it because it's retaining more of the chemical compounds that are, Bringing that that aromic property to life.

54:56BubblemanIs that what you do with that Mojave?

54:59SpeakerThese are, these are, yeah, these are actually just, well, they're not, they're for anything. They're, they're just steel frozen. You can freeze them and put them in anything and drinks, whatever. So they're, they're kind of cool. Like if you ever need a bunch of ice cubes, but you don't want a bunch of water after they lose their coldness, you get a bunch of these, throw them in your cooler, throw them in whatever.

55:21SpeakerThey're fun.

55:21BubblemanProbably not the best idea to replace your ice in the hash making process with those. I'm guessing a lot of contamination.

55:28SpeakerYeah, and pretty aggressive as well. Hey, one thing I've always wondered, I've already had an opinion on this, especially from you, Dr. Mark. Why don't people... Not good for those of us who chew on ice, right? Yeah, okay. Hey, why don't people use oxygen absorbers in cannabis packaging?

55:48Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, if you have oxidation happening, and oxidation is... Usually how terpenes are going to degrade, you need oxygen. So it's a hydrogen acceptor, right? So if you've ever heated up THC distillate and you see white smoke coming off, that white smoke is actually water. That's being formed from the degradation of THC, which is turning into CBN. And as THC turns into CBN, it gives up two molecules of hydrogen.

56:32Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd so those two molecules of hydrogen find the oxygen that's in the air and make water, right? H2O. So the white smoke that you see is actually steam. It's actually water. So, yeah, so oxygen is just, well, it oxidizes, but it gets reduced. So whenever something is oxidized, something's reduced. So in that case, the molecular oxygen is being reduced to water. But that means something was oxidized in order for that hydrogen to be available.

57:11Dr Mark ScialdoneIn the case of THC going to CBN, You're oxidizing THC to CBN because it's losing those hydrogens and reducing molecular oxygen from air. Yeah, so you want to try to avoid air. So is that the question? You want to try to avoid oxygen?

57:32SpeakerNo, my question is, like you see, like in most food products, there's two packets, one or two or both, and it's usually silica or an oxygen absorber. And the silica is for humidity and the oxygen absorber specifically to combat oxidization. And in cannabis, like we adopted the whole Boveda thing and the whole idea of like keeping a constant humidity in a packaged product. But like other food products, they know the big culprit for a lot of things is oxygen.

58:02SpeakerSo I'm just wondering if there's a reason why oxygen absorbers haven't been adopted by cannabis, or is it just that we haven't thought of it, or is there an actual possible issue that might arise?

58:14Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, well, we were talking about how the sour diesel bronzes out, right? And there's kind of like a browning that certain strains will actually undergo during curing, which is actually a controlled oxidation Right. You're actually when during hearing and, and certainly like, I, I don't know. I mean, again, it seems as though some of the more, uh, oxidized terpenes could actually be, be forming in that during process, which is gonna change the overall essence.

58:50Dr Mark ScialdoneBut I think in general, I mean, just like in food, like if you think about like just brown beef, for example, uh, when that oxidizes, right, it turns to beef brown, right? So if they can grab a couple more days of shelf life and keep that ground beef red, that's a big savings for them. You know, I mean, it's just, they can just give a few more days of shelf life because you're just absorbing the oxygen.

59:19Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd what's happening is that the thing that's making, well, ground beef, if one thought about that for a second, is the blood and it's the heme that's in the blood, which is the complex with iron content. And so when oxygen infiltrates that, it changes the pigments color to brown. So that's why aged ground beef will look more brownish than it does red. But it would be like that for any bloodborne product.

59:48Dr Mark ScialdoneSo that's why I would imagine like in meat packaging, for example, you would have things that would absorb oxygen. But like even in dairy products and other things where, well, cheese, for example, you'd probably want to keep Cheese in an air-free environment or else it's going to start or continue to degrade, right? Cheese is already degraded in a way. So I don't know if that's what you're asking.

1:00:16SpeakerYeah, now it's just kind of something I wonder about if there's a reason why certain products are so trend towards oxygen versus humidity. Anyway, guys, I got to bounce out for a little bit, but I hope to see you in a little in maybe 45 or 50. I'll be back if you guys are still.

1:00:34Collin PalmerSo, Mark, you know, I'll see you soon, Mojave. Question I wanted to jump into the browning aspect. I have some diesel that was harvested and that's actually... It's very similar. It browns out. It doesn't look like good herb, but when you smoke it, it's fantastic. It's like unbelievable.

1:00:53Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah.

1:00:53Collin PalmerRight.

1:00:54Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it loses the emerald color.

1:00:56Collin PalmerI mean, like it just looks like just some normal like I should go grab it. It just looks it's good. It's like when you open the bag, you're like hit with this overwhelming skunk gas, super skunk. That's really pungent. But when you look at it, you'd be like, this looks like some mediocre herb, like to be real. But when you smoke it, it's super flavorful and super delicious all the way down to the last hit.

1:01:22Collin PalmerLike if you rolled a big joint of it, you could taste it literally all the way down.

1:01:28Dr Mark ScialdoneHow many day cure is something like that?

1:01:32Collin PalmerI think that's on, that batch I think is a three week cure at this point.

1:01:40Dr Mark ScialdoneSee, even that, isn't that kind of pushing it? Don't you need something more like about two months to really- It's still going.

1:01:46Collin PalmerI'm just saying where it's at right now. I think it's almost at four weeks now, but it's- It's, yeah, it'll keep going, you know, but it's just, it's interesting because it's such dank herb, but it doesn't, like in terms of contemporary herb, you wouldn't consider this. You would look at it and be like, I'm not going to smoke it.

1:02:10BubblemanDude, it makes me want to see it. It makes me think that when we're talking about herb, especially if we're growing it, I'd love to share people's grows or any hash making, you know, Yeah, exactly, dude. Show the flowers, dude. Like, we want to see the flowers up close.

1:02:27Bryan Best Friend FarmsI was going to chirp in with this. I actually keep, this is my head stash jar, but GASMO, I call it, which is GMO by gas mask. And I got this at a coffee shop. So this is a vac sealed jar that has like an analog little hand action. So it goes like this. You can hear it. Kind of a thing. It's got a vac release and you just twist turn and it keeps the nuggies good for quite a while.

1:02:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsI kind of go to the fridge with it even for longer hold. But yeah, and I've noticed the gas types on me in the past, especially grown sun grown, whether East Coast or West, that they seem to oxidate really quickly. Like you got like a two week window seems to be a little bit more of a hold for the, you know, color from like a delicate indoor or whatnot holding it.

1:03:20BubblemanInteresting. I like the sound of that. Everyone's jar should sound like that. When you show up at a session and you open a jar and it does that, people are like, what the fuck's that motherfucker over there got? Like, I want to go check that out.

1:03:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsI would think like deli style for med shops. Maine's still medical here and the rec. So like these, if you're going deli style, you know, and you're in and out of the jar, you just give it the twist turn. Not trying to sell the company or anything. I won't tell who makes it, but like devices like this to keep the air out for head stash at least.

1:03:49BubblemanOh, I think it's okay to tell who makes it. I mean, if people want to look for it and check it out, we're not getting... Yeah, the brand's called... It's not a sponsor.

1:03:56Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, it's called Fellow, and it's just at the local coffee shop, you know, to keep your high-end coffee beans good. So this is what they make these.

1:04:05BubblemanThis is what the cannabis world has been doing since the beginning of time. We just adopt cool things from other industries. They pushed us out for so long. It was like, there's other things in the world that may not be marketed as a cannabis product, but man, it works so well. I mean, I'll tell you the first time I made hash, it was with a $20 cake mixer from Walmart.

1:04:25BubblemanLike, just, fuck, that hash was killer. It's kind of why, you know, obviously I'm a part of Whistler Technologies. I'm a partner in that company. And, you know, all these other guys like Low Temp and Hashtag and Sambo Filtration and Delta Separations. There's all these different companies doing it. And it's great. It's commercial. There's Colin with his. I just think you could still make great hash with a cake mixer.

1:04:49BubblemanThat's the Dizzle.

1:04:51Collin PalmerSo this is, Dizzle doesn't, it's not the bag appeal, girl, that everyone believes it to be. It never was. But man, in terms of the flavor, and to be real, man, it's a great breeding, it's good breeding stock, because there's just so much to take from it and improve on.

1:05:09BubblemanCan you show it again? I had, Brian was pinned, my apologies.

1:05:13Collin PalmerThese are small, because this is all that's kind of dry right now, but... It just doesn't look like weed that you'd be like, yeah, I'm going to like, I want to hold this. Right. But when you, when you roll it up and you put it to your lips, you're like, this is all I want. Like, what is this flavor profile?

1:05:33SpeakerAnd it's just, you know, like here's some, here's some diesel here.

1:05:39Collin PalmerSame thing. Like diesel's a fantastic varietal, but you got to grow it really well.

1:05:46Bryan Best Friend FarmsHey Colin, what's the story with the Dizzle? Is that more like a mass super skunk sided?

1:05:49Collin PalmerYeah, so it's a mass super skunk, I think Chem D. Yep. This is Diesel. This Diesel is gnarly good. So, and then here, got some OG over here too, some Trinity. This is all really nice. But this is, yeah, I mean all this stuff, like it needs to cure. For like Mark said for a lot longer for smoking grade material, but the diesel is looking good.

1:06:30BubblemanThis is sour. Dude, we should be having like the USB microscope set up, screen sharing, pop that thing under the microscope.

1:06:40Collin PalmerThis is really this stuff.

1:06:41SpeakerThis is better without hearing. What's that, Sam?

1:06:51BubblemanWe missed that, Sam. Can you repeat it?

1:06:53Collin PalmerYeah.

1:06:59SpeakerSomething about cannabis is better without curing. Does anybody think that cannabis is better without curing? I know my haze, I used to cure it for three months.

1:07:11BubblemanYeah, I mean, I feel very strongly about haze in particular that letting those monoterpenes like release, whatever that profile is, and just letting that underside bouquet pop up, that's where you got that perfumey, just incredible haze I never thought that uncured weed was better than cured weed, although I will say that it's kind of what's happening with hash now, both in the BHO realm and in the water hash realm.

1:07:43BubblemanIt's all about slapping it while it's fresh frozen and making sure you run it really cold and make sure once you've run it that that goes into a freeze dryer and you keep your temperatures down as much as possible in the sublimation process and then you Thank you so much for watching.

1:08:12BubblemanI think it was in the Leidse Plain. He had an apartment above his, what was it, the Bulldog, his cafe. Do you remember that apartment, Sam? You've probably been there many times. We were up there and I was with Tony from Sagamarta Seeds and I had made some dry sift with sweet skunk for the great gardener. Well, I had cleaned it. He had made it and it was old.

1:08:35BubblemanHe had it sitting for a long time. He had the plants sitting for a long time. Then he sifted them and that sat for a while. And it was just super well cured hash. And then I cleaned it to 99.9% heads. And I gave Tony a rip of that. And I'll never forget him just leaning back on the couch and just exhaling it and being like, oh, my God.

1:08:56BubblemanHe's like, he's like, I think if the younger generation could smoke hash like this, they wouldn't go back to that. Because it was just so smooth. You'd let out a huge rip of this hash and it was sweet skunk. So it was also already a very gentle, soft and just like welcoming profile, you know, in the in the Hayes lineage, but certainly not as rank or dank, but still just so fucking enjoyable.

1:09:23BubblemanAnd so I feel you yet on the flip side. I love a good rip of some fresh frozen, you know, that's that has been preserved all the way. And that makes me cough and makes my eyes almost pop out. So who's to say it's cannabis. Just love what you love.

1:09:41Collin PalmerYeah, there's a lot of different levels to it. But yeah, I think back to the genetics thing, I wanted to kind of touch on some of the lines that, you know, Masonic that you might be working on that you're stoked on now since you've worked, Wilson, through the lines that you have worked. What are you seeing right now that you're like, yo, this is really unique?

1:10:07SpeakerAll right, so I was doing a... Single male donor pollinations for a while with Wilson like it was to the point where that's what I was identified as like oh you only do Wilson oh you only make hash strains it's like no like I cross Wilson to everything so I make everything you know I don't necessarily only grow one type of strain like I'm very open-minded about looking under every rock so that's one thing that you know I'm always doing is looking for Trying to see what everything is.

1:10:38SpeakerPutting a smell to every name out there. Like you guys are saying Sweet Skunk. You guys are saying all these varieties like Supermass, the Jizzle. I was looking in my drawer while you're saying Jizzle because I have like a Rose Flow Jizzle variety that I visited five years ago. Seeds I made five years ago where my nose isn't And like, as it was five years ago, where now I can like kind of spot things and label it quicker, whereas five years ago, I'm still learning shit, you know?

1:11:06SpeakerSo I'm like, oh crap, let me dig through this Jizzle Rose flow, see if I find anything significant. But all that to say is like, what I'm working on, So I did the single male donor Wilson pollinations for like 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 is finally when I stopped doing single male donor pollinations with the Wilson. I put it on the back burner and then that year something possessed me to just let Everything just pollinate each other.

1:11:33SpeakerLike every single seed stock that I had in that seed from that season, from all these dope breeders, honey, banana hybrids, skittle hybrids, Bodie year, the list goes on and on, you know, land race variety straight from Thailand, straight from India. I just let it all rock, you know, fuck it. I call it natural selection. And that's what I did for 21, 22. And then last year.

1:11:56SpeakerSo for the past three years, I've been doing these open pollinations with different males from different seed stock. It's totally random. Like that's literally what it is. And so I made seeds for three years and I was happy with all that progeny. Like I would pop it myself. I'd be like, dope, like mom's in there. And even if it was like a mom that wasn't, Thank you for watching.

1:12:37SpeakerFor like two years that I've had it. Finally, 24 comes along. I'm like, cool, let's do something else now. So I kind of just went with the algorithm of what everyone's kind of like looking at right now. And Starburst, I was like, fuck it, let's rock this Starburst. Everyone likes Starburst right now. I like Starburst right now. It's not something you can easily go grab. No one's going to give me the Starburst cut.

1:12:58SpeakerI don't like asking for stuff. It's never ended up on my desk. But Higher Ground sold Starburst F1 seed stock and F2 seed stock. So I dedicated Some indoor runtime to some starburst varieties. And I hunted one pack of F1s and two packs of F2s, kept all the males, kept all the females, made my selections. Now I'm making, now I made and I'm making more F3s with them.

1:13:23SpeakerSo right now I'm on a starburst warpath as well as everything else. Like nothing is left unlooked. Like if a new breeder comes out with a pack, I'm the first in line to grab it just because it's like my job to always have my like, You know, just be privy. That way when I'm talking, I know what the hell I'm talking about or I could have something to say on it.

1:13:42SpeakerAnd, you know, I'm not like, oh, I won't grow that dude's gear. Like, no, if someone's making some noise and, you know, let me see what you're looking at, you know, and I'm always... I'm always wondering what's what.

1:13:53Collin PalmerSo dude, can you walk us through the garden right now? Can you give us a little walkthrough?

1:13:59SpeakerI think I can. So this is one of my two gardens.

1:14:06Collin PalmerIt brings me back to being like when I was like 23.

1:14:08SpeakerAll right.

1:14:09Collin PalmerSo this is one of two gardens.

1:14:12SpeakerThis I call the discovery garden because I don't do production here. I don't do light depths here. You know, I literally just pop seeds and let everything rock here. So this is the This is the Discovery Garden. So for starters, massive plant as soon as I step outside. Seeds everywhere. All brand new seeds. These are all brand new seed starts, all new smells. This was a watermelon patch that I just untilled and threw back in the dirt.

1:14:39SpeakerThose are some huge plants right there. It's just everywhere. It's like a jungle out here. You know, you go through here. Some more plants.

1:14:49BubblemanDude, imagine this fucking guy's your neighbor. You're just like, what's this guy all about? You find his fucking Instagram account. You're like, damn.

1:14:57SpeakerI just love it, man. It's just everywhere. Look, I even like throw down trays. It's like, just grow some weed, man. Who gives a fuck, you know? You have to literally go through this tunnel to get through the other side. And then there's more weed over here. And then there's more weed. Look, those are the power lines.

1:15:20SpeakerThey're growing in a kiddie pool. And there's more weed down here. Look, these, I've been throwing plants in there just ten times over. Just throw a plant in there, let it grow. You go over here, there's more weed. This is, you know, just kind of using what I got, you know. I don't have a farm, so. This plant, I didn't support it, so it kind of just toppled over.

1:15:45SpeakerI'm just kind of just letting it rot. Fuck it. I'll be all right. I'll get some hash off of that. We'll get like three ounces, four ounces of hash off of that. Bad boys just chilling. But this is my discovery guarded. This is it. It's as big as the house.

1:16:02BubblemanThis is inspirational. You know what? This is relatable. This is, you know, it's you don't like grow some weed. Like you said, you know, grow some weed, find some flavors. You don't need a multimillion dollar facility.

1:16:13SpeakerAre you planting? Are you pollinating with multiple males on the same female? So here, am I multiplying with multiple males from the same seed stock? Yes. I think. Yes. So like when I'm doing my natural selection, open pollinations to make that seed stock, it is different males from that same seed stock. I think that's what you asked.

1:16:39SpeakerCool.

1:16:40BubblemanDid you say males or males, Sam? Were you asking if he was hitting multiple different males pollen to one female?

1:16:48SpeakerWell, you can't hit males, so I figured, you know, you do. It's the other way around, you know? No, the reason I'm asking that is because

1:17:00SpeakerOh my god, why does this mic keep doing that? No, I'm asking if he's using multiple different varieties of males on the same female. That's what I thought. Yes, so more than likely that is what's going to happen, right? Unless like, I can't tell, right? Because it's happening by itself. If there's five different males with one Female growing with it, I guess it's like a cat, you know, cats can have different dads when they have their babies, right?

1:17:27SpeakerSo I'm guessing it's more so that than, oh, you know, just one of them hit it, you know, because there's different males. There's no telling, you know, you could pop the progeny and wonder what might have hit it. But all in all, I just take it for like everything. It could be anything, you know, if there's five males, any of those males could have hit it. And this is just to get it like as diverse as possible?

1:17:49SpeakerThis is just to make seeds. Yeah. Just making seeds and you can label it whatever you want after. Yeah. To make it diverse as possible. It just so happens that happens.

1:17:57BubblemanDude, it's chaos breeding. I fucking love it, bro. It's one of like,

1:18:02SpeakerOne year, two years of like the next 80 years of breeding that I have that I just kind of visited and it worked. It won first place legends for Christ's sake. The candy shish keberry was a natural selections lineage, you know? So it's like, it's not that that's like to prove that it's good, but it's like. Well, it's pretty good proof that it's good, dude. A lot of things came from stuff that's like, oh, we don't know what it is.

1:18:25SpeakerYou know, that's okay. What's Skittles? Nobody could tell you. They could tell you all their lore. What's, you know, a bunch of strange. So that's kind of like, The credo behind that is like, oh, we're just making seeds. As far as receiving end is concerned, cool, I got half the story locked in. As far as the donor is concerned, I'll just, yeah, when I grow these seeds, from what I know, like, oh, if I see something that has haze in it, Thai, I could smell it almost immediately.

1:18:49SpeakerShishka Berry, because there's Shishka Berry candy, Shishka Berry Mel's out there. It's like, oh, shit, I know it hit it almost immediately, and that's a little selfish, but I'm making seeds very transparently. People ask me, yo, Mace, what were the Mel's out there? I could explain a bunch of times, but it's all I do. It's random. Even if I tell you, you're not going to be able to know because you're going to learn down the process.

1:19:09SpeakerAnd if you do know it's because you're a discerner, you'd probably tell me before I tell you, you know. I smell Skittles. I smell pepper. Oh, fuck. Probably Tom Hill Hayes F3 hit it. You know, I had a white Tahoe skunk that probably hit it. And it's just like, but all that. Yeah, it matters, but that's my thing was like that this year, this natural selection, pollination, it didn't matter.

1:19:31SpeakerThe reason I'm asking...

1:19:38SpeakerThe reason I'm asking...

1:19:44BubblemanYes, the reason you're asking...

1:19:51SpeakerThe reason I'm asking is because... I often use a male, a single male, and I hit it towards hundreds of different females, but I know what the male is. Yeah, that's what I did the previous five years with my Wilson male, and then I decided to do, as I'm doing the natural selections pollination, I'm doing other single male donor pollinations at different spots just to like do my vision.

1:20:18SpeakerIt feels up to me in a perfect world. Thank you for watching.

1:20:49SpeakerIt's all being done at the same time. There's not just one thing that I do. I do it all.

1:20:54BubblemanWell, the bottom line is, like you said, Cultivar is winning legends. You talk about if it's making noise, you've been making a ton of noise for some years now. People love what you're doing. People love the Wilson. You've been able to fall into it with the right, you know, meeting Bloom early on and getting, you know, those papayas. That's incredible. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:21:37SpeakerThey could back me up and be like, oh, this is why he did it. And I'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is why I did it. And then I'll re-spew that shit. Easy peasy, you know? But that's kind of the game for me. I'm the guy in the garden just Planning thousands of plants and taking care of them myself with the little space that I have, but with the passion that, you know, is like, you know, trumps everything that I do.

1:21:58SpeakerI just love this shit. I want to smoke. You know, I hate to be like weird about it, but like I like to smoke hash all day and just have hash around me. And, you know, like as long as that's sustained, the quality of my life is better. And, you know, that's what I revolve my life around to this day. And so I just have to be as good as I can with it.

1:22:16BubblemanLot of nodding heads. Lot of nodding heads while you said that. At least three. At least three that I saw. Hey, welcome to Selena. Selena snuck in. Looks like you're sitting in a nice little garden or at least a photo of a garden.

1:22:30SpeakerI'm in the most beautiful garden right now. So this is my friend Drake's garden. You know Drake. He has a really interesting growing methodology. It's the Jadam. I'm sure you guys are familiar with it, but I'm going to show you guys really quick where I'm sitting just to give you a We've got pretty rad. So I'm like literally among a beautiful garden. If I look up like these canopies, I want to say it's about 12 feet tall now.

1:23:00SpeakerLike it's absolutely gorgeous. These plants are so vigorous and healthy.

1:23:05BubblemanIs that in Vernon?

1:23:07SpeakerYeah.

1:23:08BubblemanDamn.

1:23:09SpeakerYeah. So this is a peach and grow. Great. And it's just gorgeous. So I really wanted to show it to you guys today because I really think it goes along well with what you've been talking about earlier.

1:23:24BubblemanYeah, absolutely.

1:23:25SpeakerIt's nice to see you too. Yeah, it's good to see you guys. This conversation has been wild. So thank you for having me.

1:23:33BubblemanAbsolutely. I can already tell after today that we're going to have some of Mesa's seeds growing in our gardens in the near future. Talking about all those flavors got me fucking drooling.

1:23:46Collin PalmerI can contest. I've grown a lot of your work. A lot. Everything you've sent and everything we've bought has produced something worth running in terms of the hash realm.