USDA Cannabis Research and Breeding Insights

0:24BubblemanAll right, here we go. Look at that. I figured it out. Welcome everyone to Hash Church 5.0 episode six, episode six today. So I'm going to let Soma in. He's waiting in the room right away. So I'm going to let him in. There you are, Soma. Okay, getting this all sorted out. I'm all excited. Hey, brother. Hi, bro.

0:51SpeakerDude, it's so nice to see you, man. You too. I watch you through the internet all the time. I watch your progress since day one. Thanks, brother. I also have that water pipe I got from him. I never broke it. Remember that bubble?

1:09BubblemanYeah, that was like, I think you ended up getting a Jason Lee one. It could be a slinger, but I think you got like a rare, yeah, like a rare double bubbler Jason Lee. You're so welcome, man. I love it. That's awesome. Well, we just started the show. I just went live. It actually went live properly where the link was supposed to go live. I was a bit nervous because it was kind of giving me some hard times.

1:31BubblemanBut I'm going to do something that someone asked me that maybe might be a nice thing to do for new people watching the show, which is what is Hash Church? Why are we here? What are we doing here? You know, because when people don't know and they just randomly join us. So this is just a show that I started about 10 years ago, and I invite people that I know from the industry to come in and have chats about all things cannabis.

1:56BubblemanI've known Soma, my goodness, for...

1:59SpeakerI mean, a long time, man. I was going to say 24 years, man, which is incredible.

2:06BubblemanAnd I so miss visiting you at your apartment in Amsterdam and making brittle and fucking hash and hanging out with crystals.

2:16SpeakerMy favorite of all the different things is still organic water hash.

2:22BubblemanBeautiful. Well, you always had great flower, great organic water hash. You always had your finger on the pulse when it came to Amsterdam.

2:31SpeakerIf we talk about it. I agree. I'm trying to get on my headphones, but yes. Hey, Wade, I can hear you. How's it going, brother? It's going all right. As you heard, I'm trying to get my headphones set up. And yeah, I'm looking forward to our conversation this morning.

2:52BubblemanWell, that's what these days are for, man. They're to make your days that aren't so better to try and make them better, dude. We're just sending you good vibes. We know you're going through it. We know that you've had a long journey with this and we just don't want you to do it alone, man.

3:08SpeakerHey, Marcus, this is Monica, Wade's wife. Hey, Monica. Hey, listen, I am so deeply appreciative of Hash Church, you guys. It's so good for Wade and it's a passionate topic for us. And I just love you guys. Thank you.

3:25BubblemanAw, thanks, Monica. We appreciate you guys as well. And it's equally as good for us. And people love to hear from Wade and hear how he's doing. And it's just, yeah, it's important. So we're, like I said, every day that you guys show up is a day that puts a smile on my face. So, and there you are, brother. Hell yeah. Do you guys know each other, Soma?

3:50BubblemanHave you ever met Wade and Monica?

3:53SpeakerLet me see him again.

3:55BubblemanI used to have a pretty big beard just a couple weeks ago.

4:00SpeakerI think we might have run into each other at some of the cannabis events in the Bay Area. You're my brother. How old are you? I'm in my 70s. Me too, but how old? We're in your 70s. I just turned 72. I just turned 75. But I like the 70s. I feel something special in my 70s. You know what I mean? Don't you? Hell yeah.

4:30SpeakerAre you a grandfather? I am, four times over. I'm three times over, but I love being a grandfather. I love being a father. You're amazing, though. Yeah, it's like watching human, watching your offspring grow, any of your offspring is one of the best pleasures I know.

4:51BubblemanThat's awesome. You know, when you said I love my 70s, I'm not 70, but I was born in 73. I was born in 73, so I do come from the 70s.

5:06Speaker73 is the year of the ox like me. I'm an earth ox. What about you? What kind of ox?

5:12BubblemanGeez, I'm not exactly sure.

5:14SpeakerI'd have to look into that. You might be a water ox. I'm not sure. I can't remember now. Wouldn't that be classic if I was a water ox?

5:25BubblemanWelcome to Etienne and Colin, who've also shown up here in the room.

5:28SpeakerWhat a fine man. What a fine man, I have to say, that guy.

5:36Collin PalmerI had a chance to meet you in 2010, I think, Marcus. Remember when my band played the High Times Cannabis Cup 420?

5:45BubblemanDid I bring you over there or what?

5:47Collin PalmerNo, I remember when we first kind of linked, I was just finishing a tour in Europe and And we like, for some reason, just ended up just taking our last week to hang out. And we were like, where do we go? France, whatever. I was like, yo, I kind of want to go to Amsterdam. And everyone's like, cool, let's go. So we took our last little bit and ended up I believe in Adam Dunn's shop and I saw your bags and I was like, yo, that's my, I was like talking to my bandmate.

6:15Collin PalmerI was like, yeah, that's my buddy Marcus's stuff. And I guess someone overheard me and they literally put me on the phone with you to see if I was real or not. And you were like, yo, Lemoncake, Colin, what's up, dude? And we just ended up linking. And I remember some, you had gotten some herb from him at the time to smoke. And we were all, you invited me back to the hotel and, I think there was a bunch like Greek Gardener was there, a bunch of cats were there, and we were all just smoking on your herbs, Zama.

6:45Collin PalmerAnd everyone was asking me what I thought, you know, because, you know, we're all just keen on flavors even back then. And it was really just a good time. I just remember that. And then meeting you behind, we had just finished playing and you were about to get on stage and I came up to you and I was like, hey, man, I'm a big fan of your work.

7:04Collin PalmerYou probably are like, whatever, who is this guy? But, you know, it was all those years ago. And it just, again, I, from a New Yorker to a New Yorker, you know, much love and respect to your work.

7:17SpeakerWhen I was young, I always wanted to have a dimple in my chin. I used to try and force it. I wanted it so bad. I could never make it happen. But I'm just telling you the truth. I really wanted one of those. You're so lucky you got one because I wanted one and I couldn't get it.

7:35Collin PalmerGenetics, bro. I don't know. You know, it's one of those things. It must be that European influence, you know? Dude, today is such a good vibe already.

7:45BubblemanI just want to say happy birthday to my 21-year-old son, Tosh Hayes. He turned 21 today. And shout out to Tosh. I'm sure he won't be watching this, but he's getting a shout out anyway.

7:59SpeakerLove you, buddy. I love sons and daughters and grandsons and granddaughters. I love offspring, man. They're the treasure. They're the real treasure, man.

8:11BubblemanI love that you write poetry about those things consistently. I follow your poetry and I quite love your poetry, man.

8:20SpeakerI love writing poetry. I can't help it, man. I can't help it.

8:23BubblemanYeah, as you shouldn't. You shouldn't help it. Let it out.

8:28Collin PalmerMarcus, yeah. No, it's, it's all, I mean, you, I remember when you text me when I had my first child, you're like, now you're a real breeder, bro.

8:38Collin PalmerI'll never forget it. I was like, I just started laughing out loud. And how old is your child? How many? I have two. I have an eight, just turned eight, daughter and a five-year-old son. So I have a 48 year old daughter.

8:51SpeakerI have a 48 year old daughter and an 11 year old son.

8:56Collin PalmerNo way. That's amazing. Congrats. Yeah, I couldn't.

8:59BubblemanYeah, you went you took a bigger break than I did. We did. I think I think my son's like 13 years younger than his sister, my youngest son. So we had that break right there.

9:11SpeakerBut yeah, but, you know, breathing, breathing begets breathing.

9:16BubblemanThat's it. That's it. Hey, welcome. Welcome, Dutch, in the room. Good to see you, Dutch.

9:23DutchYo, what's up, guys?

9:25BubblemanDude, you got that crispy regenerative hat, dude. I lost mine so long ago. I think I lost it in Jamaica.

9:32DutchThis is crispy. I got to get you a new one. I got a couple boxes I got made this winter.

9:37SpeakerYou got nice eyes, bro.

9:39DutchOh, thanks, dude. When I get them really, really faded, too, they just kind of sparkle.

9:47BubblemanThat's awesome. Very good. Very good. And yeah, you had quite a weekend. I saw you were hanging out with Rob and visiting like, like, I love Rob.

9:58SpeakerI haven't seen Rob Clark in so long. I love that dude. I still got the right. I still got a mask on a few masks hanging on my wall that I got directly from him. But I haven't seen.

10:10BubblemanYeah, I miss the I miss the Tolstrat days, man.

10:13SpeakerYeah, yeah.

10:14Etienne FontanSo if I told you it was an epic week at the USDA's cannabis farm, would you believe me?

10:22SpeakerYep.

10:24Etienne FontanThere's the United States is growing 500 different varietals in 600 locations. And I visited one of them run by Cornell University up in upstate New York. And we were given full access to the field. And so Rob and I basically every morning got up at the ass crack of dawn. And went down and waited at the gate to security to open the gate and then went out.

10:54Etienne FontanAnd if you see on my Instagram and some of my others, those are my phone shots. Those aren't the ones with my camera. I brought my Canon D1 with me. And I took over 1500 shots because there's so many unique ascensions that we saw. We saw this one varietal that I spent 45 minutes yesterday trying to find in the plot, which is a cannabis genetic that grows on the ground.

11:20Etienne FontanIt doesn't go up. It grows along the ground. Now, I will... I have a lot of pictures. I will show you guys this. I've not gone through all my pics yet. So I'm not talking about Skittles, bro. A lot of showing.

11:37Collin PalmerBut was that varietal showing any like anti-science or any cues of color by any chance?

11:47Etienne FontanThere's a male and a female. But here, let me get to share screen here.

11:52Collin PalmerHow dioecious of them. In like 2001 or 2000, maybe it's 2000, maybe it was 99. We had grown a plant that was very much like it was for some reason it just grew across like it grew diagonally. And then it all the flowers became dark red purple. And it wasn't the best plant. It grew exactly like this. It's insane.

12:15Etienne FontanSo we also found a male that grows just like this. It really is. See the stalk in there. It's a solid five inch stalk in there. But as you see, it just grows across the ground. This would be an amazing plant. Thank you for watching.

12:51Etienne FontanAnd yeah, that's just, we didn't smoke anything. We were just going through, they already gathered the data for all these trials. But I had just never seen a cannabis that grew like this. He had seen one in Nepal.

13:07Bubbleman58 years, I didn't, never heard of such a thing. I would have had a hard time not leaving with a clone. I will tell you, dude, it's exactly the same.

13:19Etienne FontanSo it was able to, and everything's marked. So I'll just stop there. But that's a great picture. That is a great picture. They're also doing density trials. So they're doing, they're growing all kinds of hemp varietals. They're growing it to C, CBD, THC, all the above. So, yeah. They're calling the data. We'll get that data. But there were various industry people there. They did show us their decorticator, which is absolutely a clusterfuck.

13:53Etienne FontanBasically, a whole bunch of different machines on the back of a An 18-wheeler. As Rob says, Git always tells him how every 20 years hemp gets rediscovered and the boys with the toys show up. Well, that was definitely very evident there. However, the people at Cornell, very professional, they gave three different field days. One was a cannabinoid field day. The other was hemp. And the other one was a private by invitation only.

14:25Etienne FontanWhich Rob and I and Mojave, Ali, and Caleb and others basically went through and saw. So it was an intense couple of days. I literally got back last night at nine o'clock. And I'm just a little bit still kind of tired. But more than anything, just hanging out with Rob. We've been in a garden for three days, fucking priceless, just to share time, smoke, and just to see the different ascensions in the garden.

15:01Etienne FontanAnd then we were given special permission to go photograph at any time because they already did the data out of the, I guess they're doing 30 different acres. of everything from density trials. Now, last week, ladies and gentlemen, we discovered the wonderful thing called Septoria. Well, you ever have that thing in life where you learn a word and then all of a sudden everything just shows up at your fucking doorstep?

15:29Etienne FontanSeptoria this week for Mojave and I. It was really like, well, you finally did it.

15:33SpeakerI don't know that word. What does it mean?

15:35Etienne FontanSo Septoria is a... It means death. Yeah, it's a disease of the plant that seems to show up in upstate New York, usually due to water splashes, bad circulation of transpiration of air, and therefore it causes a Black to brown spots surrounded by yellow. So we visited fields that were half intentionally infected with septoria and others infected with white powdery mildew. So They're calling one kind of white powdery mildew, hemp powdery mildew, and then a white powdery mildew.

16:16Etienne FontanSo there's two types of mildew. So we were finding, they found Ursa Alta and Ursa Grande. Both genetics were immune from Septoria and white powdery mildew. So they were, again, doing trials, density trials for, you know, uh you know hemp densities every type of varietal out there gold compote to you know you know you name it that's out there for farmers and then they brought out a uh harvester which absolutely butchered the plant is basically every three feet they had a cutter and Now they are doing things.

17:00Etienne FontanThey are cottonizing the hemp and they are weaving it into finished products already. So they are looking, they found different mills around the United States who can take the twine and then build off of that, which is then build it into the finished fiber and fabric, etc. So They're looking at every aspect. A third of that garden was type one. There was definitely type twos and type threes.

17:29Etienne FontanThese were donated germ plasms that have been donated by individuals to the USDA and they are still accepting. So the people's unique collections from around the world have been submitted and are continuing to be submitted. And from that, that which they have received, they grew those five to 600 ascensions in the six different locations around the United States. And yeah, they're going to continue to look at it.

17:59Etienne FontanSo we're gathering data, a lot of information. And then they have to call through it. They were fascinated by this plant, happy to have Rob and other experts around, and they want our expertise. They want our input. They want to do things right. They want to ethically do things and move things along in a way that everybody can feel good about. Now, we know everybody's not going to feel good about everything that they're doing, period, end of story.

18:29Etienne FontanSo the fields that we were in, they allowed, and a lot of my pictures are a lot of males. I've never seen so many ascensions of males, literally nearly a thousand different males all at once that you can wander through next to the plants. There's intentional pollinations, there's pollen boxes in different areas where they're You know, doing forest breeding. So, yeah, the USDA has cannabis and they've been doing it since 2017.

19:03Etienne FontanBut this was seemed to be the first open air trial since what they've been doing since 2021. And then people were invited and some people are going to the other research facilities around the United States next week. Somebody actually saw my pictures like the one down. So. There's a lot going on and industry has been invited. So they are participating. Experts are. We're there and educating them as well as they're educating us on their methods and methodology.

19:37Etienne FontanSo for Rob and Mojave and all of us, it was an amazing networking situation. We saw Suman from University of Mississippi. He seems to, we think, have taken over for all solely. So he said that they were growing 22% THC plants this year.

19:58BubblemanWade had his hand up.

20:00Etienne FontanMy hand, my brain went bullshit, but at the same time, I'm waiting to see more. Wade, you've been, I'm sorry, there's just so much to cover and I've only literally scratched the surface. Rob may pop in. I know Mojave is, but everybody's traveling.

20:13SpeakerI'd love to just see Rob.

20:15Etienne FontanHe sends his love. Wade.

20:17SpeakerYeah, ATN, I wanted to ask two questions. I think you said the Department of Agriculture is in charge of this research. And then secondly, is there an individual who's making choices about which plants are which, which ones are which, which ones are next to which ones? Because that's going to involve which seeds get created and which lines and et cetera, et cetera. Is someone guiding this whole process or is it literally an open field?

20:49Etienne FontanThat one field that I took a lot of photographs is an open field. They're just growing for ascensions. There's different plots that are doing all those different things that you were talking about. Yes, it is. The United States Department of Agriculture is doing this shit and they're doing it with the help of agricultural universities. I know LSU, Alabama, UC Davis, Oregon, Washington, Carolinas. So there's a lot going on.

21:19Etienne FontanAnd of course, we were up in Geneva, New York, which is, yeah, it's all farm country. It's a quiet place. People don't even realize what's there. Have no idea. So Colin, you had a question?

21:36Collin PalmerYeah, no. So I've worked with Cornell, ATN when I first got my hemp license in New York State before Any of this stuff really took shape. They mandated in New York that you work with them on a research study. So Cornell has been doing this for a very long time and working with a lot of other farmers like myself. And they have really intricate data that most people don't understand that they do have.

22:00Collin PalmerAnd they have really great guides. Like I just posted one in our internal chat. Should probably put that on the, you know, the hashtag chat.

22:11BubblemanI did.

22:11Collin PalmerYeah, that's a great guide for those that are growing in the state. They have a ton of data. My whole life has been surrounded with this idea of powdery mildew. Like I woke up early this morning and I was telling my wife, I was like, look, you see this little bit of dew right here? Once the sun hits this, that's instant powdery mildew. Instant. And that's literally what we deal with on a daily basis from these months on.

22:38Collin PalmerAnd it's due to the barometric pressure and the dew points that we have to deal with and how it's dry right now. There's no rain, but in the morning, there's a dew point. So there's an inflection point. So when it's dry like that, the sun really creates that environment. And then the septoria aspect, You know, it's just it's been here all along. It's just that if you didn't rotate your your sites, you just really had a lot of trouble because it just it stays within the soil and you need it to kind of you need you need

23:18Etienne Fontannature to kind of happen and you need it to kind of regenerate you know so people aren't really looking at it from the right lens sometimes you know so it's really tough i recommend cleaning up the site and tilling three down as best as possible to go with uh the problem somebody recommended last weekend um they were discussing uh using like um kombucha and air uh rob was skeptical of that concept and that idea And there's my brother from another mother who got to spend all kinds of time geeking out with.

23:54Etienne FontanI just, just so you know, Mojave, I just showed them the picture of that plant that grows along the ground. I'm not going to go any more further show and tell.

24:03SpeakerJust so you guys know, I've been trying to get on. I've been listening and right as I was about to join, my son came up and said, Dad, can you cook me breakfast? So I've been listening on my phone to the whole conversation, man. Yeah, so good to be here.

24:17Etienne FontanWell, Mojave, my friend, my business partner, we were there with Rob. What was your assessment quickly of that three days of hemp immersion?

24:29SpeakerIt was like, like, like you said, it was intense. It's a lot to process. I mean, you know, we were, we're all so invested in cannabis and we all really want to see it ushered in to the next wave in the right way. And the one thing I can say is that the people who are in charge are good people. They're really smart. They're really smart. And they, like ATN said, they're open to our input and want to do the right thing.

24:59SpeakerThat being said, it's government funded research, you know, so there's dynamics there, you know, and obviously right now, like the big focus is on fiber and grain. But, but like, yeah, up to 30% of the accessions were type ones. So they know where the market is now. They kind of know where they kind of want the market to be. And they're trying to put a lot of research dollars into growing the cannabis industry.

25:29SpeakerSo it's a real crazy intersection, you know, and then it's Cornell and it's USDA. So there's a lot of dynamics there. The research that they're doing is vast. You know, but at the same time, it's kind of weird for us because we come with a lot of experience, you know, with watching the, you know, with ATN and Rob with all their fiber experience, you know, it's like, there's a there's a little bit of that, you know, like, I guess I'll just in a nutshell, they can't move forward on research, because there's a lot of there's a vacuum of research from the past.

26:03SpeakerSo instead of taking all the anecdotal stuff that we all know and have experienced and industries done and stuff, they can't just take that and say, okay, let's move forward. They have to backpedal and they have to go back and say, well, let's start over and let's really do this. Let's do it from the ground up as best we can because that's how research... You can't get funding for a research project if you don't have...

26:24SpeakerThe data to justify the project. So there was weird things like, you know, there was like, you know, young Cornell students giving presentations on post-harvest that were just like totally weird. It was like, oh yeah, you know, if you hit it at 160 degrees, it really kills all the microbials and it's definitely the safest way to consume cannabis.

26:47SpeakerThat was hard. But, you know, but that's because those were students. There was no body of information, no published body of information for them to draw from. So they had to they had to base the research off of like multiple scenarios that we know are crazy. But then they're presenting it in that, you know, and so that that was a little bit of the like, man, we've already gone through a lot of this.

27:10SpeakerAnd let's just move forward. And same on the on the hemp harvester and stuff like ATN mentioned, like there's some things that were just like, well, maybe this isn't the right path to take, but this is the path they're taking. But all in all, it was just incredibly impressive. And the people who came, the meeting of minds and just the intersection between policy and agriculture and chemistry and horticulture and all of that, it was really inspiring.

27:39SpeakerIt really was.

27:40BubblemanThose must be some of the only non-CBD hemp fields going in the U.S. right now. Yeah.

27:48SpeakerYeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's that. Well, actually, other other research bodies are doing the same thing. I mean, the weird thing is that and here's the trippy part, Marcus, is like we asked and, you know, we're not saying anything that wasn't public. Like the gentleman who's basically in charge of this, this big presentation, what percentage of those accessions are type ones? And he said from 20 to 33 percent.

28:13SpeakerRight. But here's the weird part. Every time they talk about drug type, they'd call it a CBD plant or a CBD type or CBD architecture, CBD pathology. You know what I mean? So it's embedded in the whole government research side that you just, you don't talk about THC, even though we know that the drug type plants, whether it's CBD or THC for agronomics and all kinds of, it doesn't make a difference.

28:38SpeakerSo they just put it in their lexicon, just call it CBD when we're talking about drugs.

28:43Collin PalmerIt's like their safe space, right? It's safe here because we're here in this world, you know?

28:50SpeakerWell, I worked on a project once and like all the architects and all the people that were like on the other side of the fence, all of their paperwork all said CBD for like a CBD grow.

29:02Etienne FontanThese are scientists. These are not stoners. We're the stoners who showed up to help guide and discuss with them. Yeah, you know, there's people like Connor Stevens and I was going to say Connor, you know, I can invite him in. We were hanging out. I mean, he he's it's nice to see him get his due. He caught a lot of shit. I'm going to say it from his professors back in the day for doing what he's doing.

29:30Etienne FontanAnd he rode out that fucking storm. And I got to give him.

29:33BubblemanWasn't he like even further down south? Wasn't he in Kentucky or something or?

29:39SpeakerHe's a Cornell, he's a Cornell grad and he, when he started there, there was no hemp program. So he was pushing in tissue culture. So he was pushing to get that done. And so Connor invited us for on this trip and we come back and it's a trip to walk through the Cornell campus and the lab with him and the tissue culture room and they go to all this stuff.

30:00SpeakerAnd that when he first started there, It was so taboo and everyone's like, oh, that dirty hemp plant and blah, blah, blah. And now to see it just turned into this big, massive thing with all the support and everything. It was really, I think, probably pretty cathartic for him, but probably trippy just to think like, man, these are the guys that told me it was just a dirty stoner plant.

30:21SpeakerAnd now they're all got their big, fancy presentations.

30:24Etienne FontanThe guy, the guy who was against him is a guy running the entire program. So that's the... The irony of it all, you know, sometimes just for you that are watching, the fight's worth it. Sometimes you have to fight, but eventually those will embrace you, including his professors that really fought him now runs the entire Cornell of Canada's program. The irony is so thick, as we say, we're choking on rust.

30:49BubblemanI watched all that happen with him. I followed him that whole time. Had a small relationship with him. We would communicate here and there. He ended up helping out Segra, too, didn't he? Didn't he get involved with Segra in some way? Okay, so we're definitely talking about the same part.

31:02Etienne FontanThey worked for Segra, and now he's off. Him and his partner, Jeannie, have their own company now, which is, hold on.

31:09BubblemanAwesome. Very cool.

31:10Etienne FontanVery cool.

31:11Collin PalmerYeah, I remember Connor coming on Clubhouse, and we all chatted.

31:15GmlYeah.

31:16Collin PalmerAnd... He's a great kid. He's really very, very smart, really understands it, surrounded himself by the right people. Absolutely. He's doing a good job.

31:27BubblemanI wanted to ask Soma a couple of questions because we got him here and he's not always here. And I haven't heard like good Soma stories in so long in regards to just sort of breeding. So I punched in to chat GPT like, hey, I want to come up with some great podcast questions for cannabis breeder Soma from New York that lives in Amsterdam. And then I put in crystals, cats, empathy.

31:51BubblemanDude, you should see the 13 questions that popped out, dude. They're pretty like... This thing's getting scary. Yeah, I'm going to roll some of them for sure. So the first one is like your origin story, right? It's like, you know, you've become this completely legendary cannabis breeder. Can you share the story of how you really first got into cannabis breeding? You might want to start with how you got into cannabis, but you can certainly start with how did you just start making seeds?

32:16BubblemanAnd then what led you to Amsterdam? I think I know the part, that answer, but the first part I'd love to hear.

32:22SpeakerWell, you know, it's like from my first moment that I smoked some cannabis when I was 18, I fell in love with it. Before I knew anything about medical cannabis, before I knew anything about getting in trouble for it, before I knew any of that stuff, the minute I smoked that first joint and I felt it, because I was never really very much into alcohol, but that cannabis, I felt it right in my heart right away, knowing nothing about it.

32:56SpeakerAnd we became best friends. And we never stopped being best friends, no matter what any government tried to do to me. And I've had so much problem since those days with governments and cannabis. And I never stood down because I always knew it was such a beautiful, beautiful, sacred thing Thank you for joining us.

33:35SpeakerAnd look at these people on the laptop here. Look at these souls. Every one of them, I wish I could hang out with them and go to the sauna with them and smoke our brains out and do some mushrooms or boo folks. But look at them. Look at these people. Look at them. Look how beautiful we all are. Look at this. We're heroes.

34:10SpeakerI lost you. I lost you. Oh, yeah, sorry. I'm here.

34:13Etienne FontanNo, no, we can't use space to speak, you know. I met you in, what, 95, Shoma? Yeah. You have been always there for the breeders and those who I call heroes. I'll call you friend and I'm happy to have shared time and space with you. You have always been a cannabis person that cannabis people seek out. What do you think that is about you that so many, as I call them, deep cannabinerds Look, you're kind of like that yogi sitting on a hill somewhere that except you're at sea level.

34:58SpeakerWell, you know, ever since I first got into crystals in 1985, crystals kind of got me into looking closely at stuff. At any stuff that was in front of my face or in front of my heart, you know, and, you know, like this, let's say, this is a concretion, but it's got this gold nugget that formed on the top. It's totally perfectly crystallized. But I love looking close at stuff because sometimes if you don't look too close, you can miss stuff.

35:35SpeakerAnd if you're talking about different types of powdery mildew, that's a perfect example of like how you have to look close at stuff because you just have to look close at everything in life if you want to go far, go far into your heart. Because if you look outside in the world, You can get lost, but if you keep going inside in your heart space, in your heart chakra, in your soul, then you're only going to find yourself.

36:05SpeakerEspecially when you get older like me, you start to think about that stuff more.

36:10Etienne FontanWell, you also bear the responsibilities, the ethos and the ethics and the integrity there, such as we're riding that fine line. I was just hit by my friend Kenzie and I wanted to report also about, you know, we just had that Grok Treaty, right, which is about biopiracy. And definitely I would have to say some of what we saw for sure in that garden for the USDA was biopiracy cannabis.

36:39Etienne FontanAnd that will have to be dealt with in its own way. And the world bodies in those countries with those land races. These are things that we and it was our responsibility to communicate to these people so that they understand, look, you're young scientists, but you need to understand there's a bigger world out there that people have been stolen from. People have been outright Adam Dizzle, Nick, Skully Vibes, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm,

37:21Etienne FontanAbility for righteous justice has yet to see its day and its light. And, you know, we have to look at, you know, the Aryans and of the world who have a sort of a coming to they had a brief in time and Thank you for joining us.

38:02Etienne FontanSo again, that fine line that we have to negotiate between educators and that integrity litmus. And Soma, this is where I thank you and Jack Herrera and Dennis Perrone and others for not only filling that, but walking that walk so others like myself can have that torch to pass to younger generations responsibly so that we're doing it right as best as we humanly can, given the ungodly injustices that we have experienced Dealt with over the decades, right?

38:36BubblemanYeah, indeed. That's a mouthful at 10. I still want to hear the breeding origin story though, Soma. You said how you first smoked cannabis and you absolutely loved it right away. I was very similar. I was about 14 when I first did it. I liken it to the scene in Half Baked with Chappelle where they smoked the first joint and then they go into the little store and he's hugging the giant Abba Zabba bar and he's like, Abba Zabba, you my only friend.

39:05BubblemanThe moment of like those, like how well that was filmed and written was like right out of my childhood, like in a bizarre way. So I totally relate to that. At what point in time did you go from this to like, I'm going to put males and female plants in a room and make seeds for people?

39:24SpeakerOkay, so 1967, I started smoking it.

39:31SpeakerFor the first time, when I was working at IBM, I got turned on to it. As soon as I smoked it, I became good friends with it. But then 1970, I moved from New York to Vermont, to Southern Vermont, in the mountains. So I was finally in an area that wasn't very populated. I didn't know anything about cold climate, warm climate, anything about cannabis like that. But I was in a place where cannabis could be Steve Adubato Jr.: Thank you so much for having me.

40:25SpeakerEvery time I would roll a joint, all the weed had seeds in it back then. So every time I would take a top of a shoe box and roll a joint, I'd throw the seeds out my window because I just didn't want them in my joint. So in the springtime, I went outside after the winter and I looked outside my window and there was like 20 little cannabis plants there just from me throwing the seeds out.

40:52SpeakerSo I said, shit, man. I'm bringing these up on the mountain. I'm going to fucking plant them. So I went up there because my friend had a little lean-to set up and stuff. And I planted 20 plants up there in this really safe place in the mountain. And then all of a sudden, I got that green fever that you get when you watch cannabis plants start to grow and you go, wow, this is...

41:19SpeakerYou feel the sacred magic that they hold. Even if you never smoke, you're just looking at them, you know? It's like the way they dance in the sunlight and they move their leaves facing the sun. You watch that and you go, shit, I want to become a fucking farmer. At least this stuff. I don't know about the harder stuff, but you know what I mean? Like for me, I got, it just did it to me.

41:46SpeakerAnd then the more I learned about it and Had it heal me. Had it heal me. Had it heal me. Like when I was a kid, I stuttered so bad, I couldn't say one sentence good. And here I am. I don't have that problem no more. And cannabis had a lot to do with it. It did. It helped me get my thing going.

42:14BubblemanYour mojo. You got a great mojo, Soma. That's so cool. That's so cool. What a great way. I didn't know that story. I didn't know that you were like accidentally the Lorax.

42:31SpeakerAnd then I got busted for those plants and had a one year probation I had to do in Vermont. And I had my own organic bakery at the time. And once a week I had to go to the probation officer and I brought them A loaf of bread I made. And I never got in trouble that whole year of probation and got off of it and never stopped fucking with cannabis.

42:53SpeakerSo the minute you planted cannabis, you got in trouble for planting cannabis. For the crop, I never harvested it.

42:59BubblemanYou saw the double-edged sword of that magic that you saw in the plant.

43:04SpeakerHoly mackerel, man, you know?

43:07BubblemanYeah, that's incredible, man. So what, you know, are you are you are you breeding much these days? Or you just put your seeds out nonstop?

43:15SpeakerAnd I got great helpers. I got great. I got great. I got great. I got such beautiful friends. Friends are priceless. Friends are priceless.

43:27BubblemanThat's for sure. So what, what is your, um, what do you, I mean, obviously I suspect you're prioritizing flavor over potency, but is there, we got, we got stuff happening in Thailand right now.

43:38SpeakerWe got eat crops, phenotype crops. We're like, we're like using the, the freedom as much as we can. I never even been there once, but no, not yet, but you know, well, I bet you Ed's waiting to, to, to host you.

43:59Collin PalmerShout out to Ed Borg, who's also rocking. Love you, Ed. What an amazing soul. I met Ed a few times. He's great. He's infectious, that man. What a character.

44:15BubblemanHere's one of the good ones for sure. Well, that's good. You're breeding, you're putting some more flavors out there. You definitely have some iconic flavors. There's no doubt about it. Like the Soma New York City Diesel, the Lavender, the Buddha Sister, So Gouda, like just lots of great cultivars over the years that have just also, I will state, Not all of them, but a lot of them are spectacular washers.

44:41BubblemanThey just make really great water hash.

44:44SpeakerI love water hash. That's what I'm smoking. I love it. I mean, like when it's like super good turps and good quality and organic and grown by a fine person, man.

44:58BubblemanDude, and you were always such a diplomat when it came to the bags. I remember back in the day, Soma was probably one of the first people that actually embraced me in Amsterdam, while the majority of people were defending their love of Mila, and I don't blame them at all. Soma's also great friends with Mila. A lot of people were defending Mila, and I took the brunt end of it.

45:18BubblemanSoma, on the other hand, had a very cool way of doing things, which was, he's like, hey, when you're over at my house and it's your crew, my bubble bags hang. When I love both of them. I love both of them.

45:49BubblemanI appreciate that, Soma. I really do. A lot of people were only too eager to fan the flames between the two of us. And I had a nice visit with her when I was in Toronto recently. She actually met my son, Tosh. I went for the Frenchie event there that was happening, the high tea with Frenchie.

46:08SpeakerSo shout out to Frenchie as well. Yeah. He was beautiful.

46:14BubblemanYeah, he's definitely... His passion for the Hashin was... Was not to be doubted.

46:20Etienne FontanOh, if he was there in the garden with us here, let me see. Do I have a Frenchie would have definitely loved to have hand rubbed some of that stuff for absolutely sure. Rob and I were saying that. Do you remember that, Mojave?

46:36BubblemanYeah, it was epic. Yeah. Awesome. Hey, your mic sounds way better, Mojave. Good. I just learned how to do that too. Thank you. I don't even know why I didn't mention it for like the last five episodes or whatever. I was like, damn, Mohamed's mic is so clear and loud. And then finally someone in the chat was like, his mic is about 25% louder. If you could just, I'm like, yeah, why wouldn't I just let him know?

47:02BubblemanHe's like capable. He'll fix that shit.

47:04SpeakerIt's also my, I'm the youngest of six. I have four older brothers. Wow. I went in a conversation. It often turns the volume up.

47:16BubblemanThat's hilarious. So Benjamin just said, also, Soma's New York City diesel is a backbone of many of the CBD varieties out there these days. Yeah, I was going to ask.

47:29DutchI want to hear the diesel story from Soma. I asked Marcus to ask that.

47:37Collin PalmerI'd love to hear it, Soma.

47:38SpeakerOkay, here's how it started. Do any of you know who Ja Levi is, a musician? Absolutely. Yeah, no, I'm personally. He's a good friend of mine. I've been friends with him for 35 years, I think, since since 91. And so he moved to Amsterdam after I moved to Amsterdam and I helped him get a place and stuff. And he had some seeds. That he got in New York City, that he said it was his favorite seeds, his favorite weed he ever had.

48:16SpeakerAnd he gave me seven of these seeds. So I planted all seven. They were all female. And I found one that I really liked. And I crossed that With the Afghani Hawaiian that I had, that I already had growing. And so I had that Afghani Hawaiian that I crossed with this seed that Ja Levi gave me. And when I finally smoked the blend and started cloning it, because I grew up in New York, I decided, And my first dog that I ever had was named Dizzle.

49:13SpeakerThat was his name. I just started, I decided to name the strain New York City Dizzle to remember my first dog and to remember New York where I first smoked cannabis. And that strain was never my, it never got me the stonedest, but I always loved I always loved the terps. The terps healed me and healed everybody that I showed it to. And it was a great yield.

49:49SpeakerIt wasn't dense. It was always kind of airy. But it can make a big plant and one of my favorites. A lot of people's.

49:57BubblemanSomeone had a question. Someone had a question about the Afghani Hawaii. Was that from Shanti Baba or was that something you were sort of just working on?

50:06SpeakerLet me see. It could have been. I can't remember exactly where I got that, but I was hanging out with him. I was hanging out with him. Hi, Shoma. I also developed a Afghani Hawaii. Wait, wait. Now I see who that is. My bro. I love you, bro. Well, I love you too, but... I don't know if what you're talking about was mine, but I did it in an Afghani, I think I called it Hawaiian 7.

50:41SpeakerIt was a cross of Afghani number one times Hawaiian 7. I don't remember that particular one, but I sure remember you. You had such a lovely, tremendous effect on me the whole time I've known you.

51:00Etienne FontanHey, Sam, I want to show you something. I kind of want to show everybody. This is the overhead shot of that one particular garden that Mojave, Rob, and I were in all week. That's the overhead.

51:19SpeakerFrom a drone.

51:20Etienne FontanYes. That's the USDA garden in New York, Sam.

51:27SpeakerIt's all industrial hemp, correct? No.

51:30Etienne FontanA third of those were type one, type two, and type three. They're growing all and top of that, all their males too. They popped it all.

51:43Etienne FontanMojave?

51:44SpeakerYeah, yeah, it's and it's a random planting, Sam, the way they way they did this, they just to create no, they didn't want to have any variables that favored towards one population or another. So they just randomly planted. So it's, you're just walking through 500 accessions of landrace varieties, donated, and it's really impressive. But the thing that was so wild about it was the variability.

52:12DutchI mean, it was just- Was it all seed stock?

52:15SpeakerYes. Yeah. And they're not producing seeds with that crop. They are, but they're also, they're not, I just, they're not breeding traditionally. They're basically, this is like, let's put these populations out. Let's have this big, massive open population. And kind of as a display and just as a kind of, I think they were more interested in the data collected from this population. Obviously, they let them pollinate.

52:43SpeakerWell, put it this way. They let them pollinate the entire valley or the entire region because there was just clouds of pollen of every known land race variety that they could find. But they're also doing breeding. They even had F2s from last year. I'm not sure how they got. I don't remember what that was about. But they had a section that was F2s from last year that they were collecting plant tissue samples from.

53:10SpeakerAnd they had big fields for fiber and for grain and density trials and just a lot going on.

53:19Etienne FontanRandom F2s popping up in locations.

53:22SpeakerEscapes were around too. That was pretty cool.

53:28Etienne FontanYeah, if you're growing any type of outdoor cannabis in that area, you're going to find it's a bad time.

53:37BubblemanHey, welcome to Brian from Best Friend Farms and welcome to Skunk Man Sam as well. I'm guessing you and Soma have known each other quite some time, Sam.

53:48SpeakerHe's like a bad penny. He just keeps turning up. Same with you, bro. Except that you're a few days older than me, so I always look to you for a great example. Dude, you should tell, Sam, you should tell the story of going to Soma's the time that you had a heart attack.

54:07BubblemanI should tell it.

54:07SpeakerHe won't tell it, but I could tell it. No, I'm embarrassed by it. No, that's an awesome story, dude. I'm not going to tell it right now because I love Sam. I wouldn't be embarrassed. I don't want to make him feel bad for one.

54:21BubblemanMe neither. Me neither.

54:22SpeakerBut when he does, it's a funny story. It proves that I do love getting two-stoned. Dude, you love getting two stoned more than anyone I know in the world. Don't keep talking about it because you'll make me tell it. This is a pretty good audience, man.

54:42BubblemanThat's awesome. Yeah, we got 328 people watching live right now, so that's a pretty big number.

54:47SpeakerWe've all been there, or if you haven't been there, you haven't tried hard enough.

54:53BubblemanExactly. That is exactly the point.

54:57SpeakerLook, that is so awesome. Look, look, look, I don't know if you can see this.

55:04BubblemanHold it up to your camera a little more over a little more. Now we can see it. You got there some bubble hash? Yeah, man.

55:11SpeakerOrganic. I wish I could smoke this with Sam right now. I wish I could tape them down. I think you know so much. I'm on oxygen 24-7, so I don't go very many places, but you're welcome to come by. I'm going to come by. Now that I know that... I didn't know that. No, I can't leave the house. I can. I've got a portable oxygen machine. But you can smoke hash?

55:41SpeakerOh, I can smoke hash. I can smoke anybody under the table. Okay, so I'm going to get in touch with you. I need a puff and a hug. I got lots of hugs.

56:00SpeakerOh, and you got to hug your wife from me because she's a doll.

56:07BubblemanShe said hi earlier in the YouTube chat, Soma. She said hi. I meant to pass that hello on. I'm watching the YouTube chat. There's 330 some odd people in there and they're just enjoying the show.

56:18SpeakerHow long have you been married, Sam? What's that? How long have you been married? 53 years. Holy shit. That's such a great example. Oh, my God. And she put up with you that long? I mean, that's a safe. Exactly. That's the key is you've got to find a wife that can put up with your bullshit and have compassion for you. Yours is super good at it. And vice versa.

56:50BubblemanSend her a double hug from me. Shout out to the wives. That's inspirational for sure. I've been with my wife for 35 years now. Oh, wow.

57:02BubblemanBut 53 is nuts. I only look forward to the day if I can make it.

57:08SpeakerWell, I can tell an honest story. I wasn't married the first 20 years. We were just trying each other out to make sure we would come back. But then we got married, so, yeah.

57:24Etienne FontanYou had to make sure he could trust you, right?

57:30SpeakerI just wanted to make sure we were a good fit. I had told her I wouldn't marry her unless maybe we had children, but then we had children and I still didn't marry her. I finally did 20 years in. I realized this was probably going to last longer.

57:56BubblemanThat's awesome. Love it. You were mentioning crystals earlier, Soma. I've always connected you with crystals, like since day one, the first time I ever went there, which would have been in the 90s as well. You know, you had this incredible crystal table. How do they influence your life and possibly your breeding practices?

58:19SpeakerWell, you know, they're very stable. Crystals stay the same shape and size and weight unless you break them. For eons. There's not even even redwoods and big trees and stuff. They don't last as long as intact crystals, you know, from start to finish. So it's that that stability that minerals have made me want to find stable cannabis genetics too, because Everything interconnects, you know what I mean?

58:58SpeakerI do healing work with crystals and minerals and I see where, in fact, every one of my cannabis grows has minerals and metals like copper. I have copper coils in the soil of my plants connected to the plant because I found positive results from doing that on my outdoor plants. I got that. And

59:25SpeakerCrystals, for me, they center me. They remind me that there is a real Holy Spirit that exists in this world, no matter what politics does. And they help me spread it.

59:47BubblemanI've gotten some beautiful crystals from you. You showed me this most unbelievable Heliodor probably 20 years ago. Holy shit, dude. A language is printed on that fucking crystal.

1:00:02SpeakerOh, yes, yes. And what about Tanzanite? Have you ever looked at any good Tanzanite? Oh, yeah. Tanzanite. What was the other one? The purple one from Afghan that... I love them all, but like... Kunzite. Oh, Kunzite I love. It's one of my favorites. One of my favorites.

1:00:22BubblemanAwesome. I gotta get to Amsterdam. I'm smiling at the prospects of you and Sam hanging out.

1:00:30SpeakerOoh, like I'm gonna go visit Sam because I love him. I'm gonna come see you, Sam. I'm gonna figure out how to... You're more than welcome. Just give a call first to make sure I'm not at the doctor's office. Yeah, yeah, I just, I have to go to the doc. I have to go to my heart surgeon on October 4th because I had a, I had a CGI a few weeks ago.

1:00:55SpeakerHe's got to tell me what that looked like. This is my cat's favorite toy. He goes crazy over it. If I toss it, he'll run over, grab it and bring it back to me and drop it at my feet. I love cats. I only got one cat left now. I've had one Abyssinian for the last three, three and a half years. He loves people. Cool. Mine's a Maine Coon.

1:01:33SpeakerAnd mine's Siberian Forest Cat.

1:01:36BubblemanWell, those Siberian Forest Cats are awesome. You always had amazing cats, dude. I can't, like, you're down to one cat.

1:01:41SpeakerI had 61 cats born here, Siberian Forest Cats. And now I'm down to the very last one. 15 years, four months old, which is about 90 in cat years. Only lived for 12 years. Only lived for 12? Wow.

1:02:05Collin PalmerI have a cat that's 18 right now. Yeah, me too.

1:02:10SpeakerI had one that was 21, but yeah, he's in kitty heaven wherever it is.

1:02:20BubblemanYeah.

1:02:21SpeakerIn our hearts and souls, that's where our pets reside when they pass.

1:02:29SpeakerI still got my snake. I'm going to go grab her. I'm going to go grab her for a minute. I'll be right back. How old is your snake? My snake is 24 and I've had her for 23 years. Yeah, well, I've seen it since the beginning.

1:02:44BubblemanDefinitely. I remember when he got that snake. That was literally just when I met him.

1:02:56BubblemanIncredible.

1:02:57SpeakerWhat's going on by... What's that, Sam?

1:03:00BubblemanI like snakes. Yeah? Well, I mean, you like cats, and cats must have something in common with snakes. They got the slit eye, you know? House cats have that lizard eye, that snake eye. Other cats don't have that. Like big cats, tigers, and lions, they don't have that eye. They have a round pupil. But cats have, like, the snake eye. They also hiss.

1:03:28BubblemanThere she is. Oh, yeah. That cat's been worn around, or that cat, that snake's been worn around your neck for decades.

1:03:39SpeakerAlso, what an escape artist. She's escaped five or six times altogether in these 23 years. I can definitely remember at least one of them.

1:03:50BubblemanMan, I remember so many different things happening. I will never forget in my life the day that I showed up at your apartment. And this is like Soma's apartment. He's slanging. He's doing all sorts of stuff there. And we walk in the bottom door and it smelled... so good like the most amazing loudest loudest flavor profile you've ever smelled of so much genetics and it was like one of his employees had taken the flower for the cannabis cup all his like best buds and like put it right next to a radiator like touching the radiator cooked that bud into the air It was, that was a hard one, dude.

1:04:32BubblemanThat was a hard one. Well, you know, you learn from everything. You learn from everything, dude. And I just remember you just being like, I was, I was like, oh my God, like, I cannot imagine how crushed he is. That was like months and months of work. And then all we could do was just appreciate the smell of it in the apartment because that flower was dusted.

1:04:52BubblemanIt was like bone dry.

1:04:54SpeakerI remember one time this was like I don't know 30 or even longer years ago I was moving some of my seeds to uh take to visit a friend so I had uh I don't know a significant part of my seed collection in plastic boxes and uh I put them on top of the roof of the car. And I spaced out, got in the car and drove off and left them sitting there on the street.

1:05:30SpeakerAbout 10 minutes later, I flashed them what had happened. And I drove back and they were still sitting there. So it ended up really fine. But talk about a heart stopper.

1:05:43BubblemanYeah, that's insane.

1:05:49BubblemanHey, sometimes good things happen. Sometimes bad things happen. It's all really just the perspective of how you look at it.

1:05:55SpeakerYeah, that's the important thing is how you deal with what comes at you, not what comes at you, but how you deal with what comes at you. That's what open heart surgery taught me, how you deal with what comes at you.

1:06:10SpeakerYeah, not what comes at you, but how you deal with what comes at you.

1:06:14BubblemanAnd mortality is an interesting key that life plays on us sometimes. And it is definitely a perspective changer.

1:06:28BubblemanThat is for sure. So what's going on by you, Dutch? Look like you're out in the farm.

1:06:37DutchYeah, I'm in a new spot. It's been a minute since we caught up.

1:06:44DutchWe made my family decided to move from Washington to Minnesota. You're in Minnesota? I'm in Minnesota, dude, since April. Wow. It was like my wife's from here and her parents are here.

1:06:58BubblemanWhat's she been telling you about winter?

1:07:02DutchWell, dude, I've been here and it's horrible. And it's the summer that's worse, to be honest. I can deal with the cold, but I'm a Northwest kid, you know? I like like 82 is hot for me, you know, and, um, It's fun. It was, it was just like, I always tell people the story. We were sitting out, sitting on the couch late at night and this house popped up on social media and it's, you saw the cool bar and that's why I kind of showed, showed you guys.

1:07:31DutchIt's, it's, it was awesome. It's like 130 years old. Nice. Um, we're wide right on the river, um, that divides Wisconsin and Minnesota, like about 40 minutes from Minneapolis. And, um, I don't know, like we weren't planning on moving, like literally the week before I had popped the seeds I was waiting to pop for like the last five, 10 years. You know what I mean? I had a buddy over and I popped like two or three racks grand worth of seeds and just like kind of went deep into someone's that I was like, all right, it's time, you know, nothing's happening.

1:08:04DutchThis is the time I can, you know what I mean? And like the next week we saw this house and quickly decided that this was a good opportunity for our family and for the kids to be near the grandkids and just the stage in life. And we just, we just did it, man. We made a quick move.

1:08:21BubblemanAnd what's the law there for growing weed? Like you can do that?

1:08:24DutchWell, dude, I'm an idiot. So they passed legalization, you know, and it's the application. Yes, yes, the applications are coming out for the rec stuff in January. And sure as shit, as soon as I get here, people are like, oh, yo, what do you do?

1:08:39SpeakerI'm like, I grow weed, I grow weed, weed, weed, weed.

1:08:43DutchAnd I just like totally wasn't in my mind that like shit's not normal here yet. It just got me into a little trouble.

1:08:52BubblemanOh, my God. Still, people are still getting into trouble for weed.

1:08:55SpeakerWhat do you mean? I got to go to court? I got to go to court here in Amsterdam, September 24th from 2021 for nine kilos of cannabis, which is four kilos. Just personal. Yeah, during COVID. That's a good stash. Unbelievable, dude. You're still dealing with that shit.

1:09:19DutchThat's crazy.

1:09:20SpeakerIt just comes with my karma, man. But I got courage. I got wisdom, too. And I got a great lawyer. And they got a shitty case from three and a half years ago. They're so hard up.

1:09:33BubblemanJesus. Yeah, I guess when you move to Minnesota, you don't go tell everyone. I'm into weed.

1:09:39Etienne FontanI grow weed. I got a garden.

1:09:40BubblemanI got a big, you should come check out my fields.

1:09:42DutchNo, and I showed up with like shipping containers, you know, full of plants. Like, you know what I mean? Like I have, I have my library. So I had a couple hundred plants with me inside shipping containers that I had across the country. This is a good story and it's now done. So I have these four shipping containers. They're insulated. They're packed. I have a tractor in one.

1:10:03DutchI have like all our household stuff in one. I have all my grow stuff in one and I have plants in another. And I'm like loading these things up with heavy equipment onto semis. And I hardly know what I'm doing. You know what I mean? Like scared shitless, like, you know, chains. I break this stuff as I do it. And, and this one young guy sees the holes, you know, where the HVAC came out of, he goes, what, by the way, what's in, you know, what's in these things?

1:10:30DutchAnd I'm just like, fuck. And I've got the one on his truck and, and it's the one full of weed. And there's another one that doesn't have any weed in it. I'm just like, this is going down right now. Holy shit. And I just like, Go cranky and white American male status. I'm like, oh, fuck, dude, you want to make me open these things up and like kind of throw a little temper tantrum, see where that's going to get me.

1:10:54DutchAnd he so he kind of feels bad. And I open up the one without the weed and just kind of crack it. I'm like, see, dude, this thing's packed like it's going to fall out. And he's like, OK, OK, OK. And I close it up. And that was that didn't work. Oh.

1:11:09BubblemanJesus Christ, dude. You're just like, yeah, I just put in a container full of plants on this fucking truck to drive across like, I don't know, 20 skate lines. Golly.

1:11:19SpeakerWhat day is your birthday?

1:11:23DutchThe 22nd of December.

1:11:24SpeakerHey, I'm a 22. I'm 22 August.

1:11:28DutchNice.

1:11:28SpeakerThat doesn't surprise me at all. And you know, James Burton, who grew all the weed legal for the Dutch government, same birthday as you, except he's 1946. Interesting.

1:11:43DutchYeah, not the smartest brains, but a lot of gumption over here.

1:11:47SpeakerOh, 22 is my favorite number, man.

1:11:51DutchMe too.

1:11:55SpeakerOh, go ahead, Soma. I also like 1111.

1:12:00BubblemanThat was the address of the Melting Point in Vancouver. I was on a beach in Jamaica when my buddy called me and said, I found your spot. It's 1111. Actually, what he said was, it's I&I and I&I Commercial Drive. And so I rented that space and had the Melting Point Gallery for three years there. It was Vancouver's first vapor lounge.

1:12:23DutchYou know what? One thing that's cool that's going here in Minnesota is that just reminded me. So they haven't released their rules yet and they're going to have An edible consumption permit that you could get. So if you had like a retail store, you could have a little patio and sell people edibles. They're really into the edibles and the drinks here, which is actually I thought was really weird at first.

1:12:45DutchBut it's it's kind of a pretty cool thing because you can just go into a bar and order a 10 10 milligram THC seltzer.

1:12:51SpeakerThat's so cool.

1:12:53DutchIt's so cool. And they're in every every liquor store. They're in the grocery stores and And so I went to an event they're doing every Wednesday here. And it was at a distillery. And I thought, oh, man, this might be a little weird. This distillery is probably hard up for cash and just going to let the weed heads in, you know what I mean? And I showed up and it was totally popping, really high class.

1:13:14DutchThey sent me up to an upstairs bar where they were serving THC seltzers. They would, you know, put stuff on the rim and doctor it up a little bit. And they said, if you're going to consume, you got to go down to the, you know, other than beverages, you got to go to the patio. I was like, what? And I look out there and there's about 80 people there just all rigged up.

1:13:32DutchJust going for it. It was beautiful. And I didn't understand it at first. But then once I got into the legal framework, these edible permits, edible consumption permits are really just for that. But any private residence or private business can allow people to consume smoke on their on their patios just like they would a cigarette. And so businesses are taking advantage of it. This was in Minneapolis.

1:13:58DutchThere's a bunch of them going on. And it was the best vibes ever. It was really cool, you know.

1:14:05BubblemanThat's awesome that that's happening. I did a conference. Well, I was at a conference the other day and I did a talk. I moderated a talk with a small group of guys and we were talking about concentrates and consumptions. And we didn't talk as much about concentrates, but a lot of the conversation was kind of how You know, all of this legalization, the thing that's really hasn't come into play is the consumption, is the ability for us to consume.

1:14:31BubblemanSo, you know, here in Vancouver, we have this one called Book Club, which is pretty awesome. It's, you know, my buddy owns the building and he's got his dispensary downstairs called Burb. And then right above Burb, he's got a recording studio on the third floor, which he does a lot of great recording with some some really cool, you know, young, hip artists from around the world. But in the middle, he's got this just space, you know, it's like 1200 square feet or maybe a little more.

1:14:56BubblemanAnd he calls it book club and it's a private club and you can go up there and he's got a decent system and there's music set up and there's a dab bar and he just hits up all the legal companies to like So there's, you know, some days there's gummies available and drinks available and dabs available from different companies that want you to try their dabs. And so they're kind of doing this more sort of Spanish, almost private club thing in order to get away from the rules and regulation because cannabis is legal recreationally.

1:15:28BubblemanIf you have a private event and you have the ability to, you know, clean the air and everyone signed up for it. Thank you for watching.

1:16:05SpeakerYeah, but that's better than not being able to. I mean, Amsterdam at the Club Paradiso, they used to have smoking in the event. Then they changed it to one room you were allowed to smoke either tobacco. I've been there. But now that's gone. You have to do it outside before you come to the event, which I find extremely disappointing. It is. I've been in that room up there.

1:16:40SpeakerIt's gone, man. I know, but we had such a session up there one time. Holy shit. We went to Burning Spear a couple months ago or a month ago, and the room was gone.

1:16:55Collin PalmerWhat a shame. I'm thinking, so New York has licensing that's going to come out that will have just for social consumption and just lounges. I think that's honestly the future of retail. It's where you're going to go in where someone's going to be like a great record shop where someone's curating Really good eclectic products that are catered to what they believe they want to be catering to, you know, and it's going to be about the space and things that come with that.

1:17:29SpeakerIf you want to bring your own buds, do they charge you a corkage fee?

1:17:37Collin PalmerI mean, maybe, maybe that's the way. I don't know. Or maybe there's spots that don't charge you, right? And you just go to those, right?

1:17:45DutchI mean, with these Minnesota laws, the way they are, it's got me inspired to, similar to what you're saying, Colin, is have, get like a pizza shop that I can curate a plant store out of, allow consumption, you know, on the deck, maybe put some heaters and kind of do with what I can. And maybe not have to be, have that, that legal sticker on it, you know, that says weed on it, you know?

1:18:09Collin PalmerYep. Yeah. Make it about cultures, right?

1:18:12DutchAnd then get someone next door to pop open at the small dispensary, you know, that people can walk over or something like that, you know?

1:18:18Collin PalmerYeah. No, that makes a lot of sense. But I, I, I see that that's, you know, I think that's, I'm being in New York. I think that's exciting to see kind of how it's just, there's just a lot of, A lot of things that can be done that retail setting currently, that's the framework we currently have that can't do, we can't do. You know, it's like almost a throwback to where, what Amsterdam kind of started, you know, like I think of, you know, just all of the spots that I've been to, you know, it's just good community, a good space to, to grab good curated or use it there.

1:18:57SpeakerWell, in Amsterdam, you're lucky to find good curated herb at the coffee shops. Here it's wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. They dry it in 10 days and sell it in a day or two. So, yeah. And a lot of the owners don't even smoke it. Yeah.

1:19:16Collin PalmerYou remember Blue Dolphin Haze being like fairly good at one point. Was that... It was like a very blueberry forward haze. Just... And that was like the one that I remember being great. But largely, I think you're right, it's very difficult.

1:19:34SpeakerThey don't want to dry it completely because they lose money.

1:19:38DutchGot it. I mean, it's the same thing here, Sam. I mean, I'm sure everyone's talked about it, but I think that in In part, the reason hash has really risen up in the last few years is because that's been one of the best ways to preserve the quality given the markets and the way that things are being done. It's like, oh man, thank God, you know?

1:20:04Collin PalmerWhat could be? Yeah, it's a good way to look at it.

1:20:08DutchYeah, not to speak, not to say hash doesn't stand on its own two feet or anything like that. I just think that that's, you know,

1:20:14BubblemanSometimes hash will knock you off your feet. It's a true story.

1:20:20SpeakerAnd Sam, what about Rosen? Are you smoking much of that? That's what I'm smoking right now. Okay, I'm going to come to you. Yeah, I like Rosen because I'm not growing. I don't have a greenhouse anymore. You've got karma, man. You don't need a greenhouse right now. Well, yeah, whatever. Let's put it this way. I've never run out of smoke. Me neither. Well, only in jail here.

1:20:55SpeakerThat's the last time in 30 years. Actually, if you were a licensed medical user, you were allowed to consume in jail. I know. I know. They let me out last time because I was about to pull that on. They don't want me to get away with it.

1:21:21SpeakerAnd I am a licensed medical user here in the Netherlands. I have a doctor's. Like me. Yeah. Okay, we're going to use ours within next week, I think.

1:21:37SpeakerWell, you don't need one at my house. You're always welcome. And I won't ask you for any paperwork. Well, I'll bring my rolling papers. Yeah, your papers, please. Oh, yeah, you don't smoke joints. I forgot you only smoke hash and rosin, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I prefer dry sift, but water hash or rosin. Do you have any dry sift? I don't have any right now. No, you know, when you don't have a greenhouse, it's tough to make good dry sift.

1:22:12BubblemanYeah. Yes. Dude, some of the funnest times I ever had was making dry sift with Sam. Oh man, knock my socks off.

1:22:20SpeakerYou helped me a couple of times, Marcus, when we were doing fairly large volumes of it.

1:22:27BubblemanYeah, I've never seen like six kilos of hash get made in like four minutes.

1:22:38Collin PalmerIt's amazing what that does to you when you see volume like that for the first time. You're just like, it just like, it's like the first time it touches you.

1:22:46BubblemanHow about this? I wasn't allowed to photograph or post about it or talk about it. So that was even like... I was just like, but I, it was like I saw aliens, but I couldn't tell anyone that I saw the aliens.

1:22:59SpeakerI can remember making large volumes of kilos and packing them in freezer Ziploc bags. And I still had some a little bit 12 years later. So it was a fairly large volume. Of course, I didn't sell it. I only smoked it with myself and my friends.

1:23:25BubblemanI can attest back in the day at the Cannabis Cup, you could follow the matches and the stainless steel screens that made a pathway on the ground right to Sam, like right to him. You can follow it up the stairs. You can follow it all the way up to the third floor at the PAX Party House, right into the corner.

1:23:45SpeakerThere he is. I didn't like dirty screens, so I would clean them with heat. In other words, Put them really hot to burn off any, you know, protection that they had against water or whatever. And once they were clean, I'd use them once and toss them.

1:24:07BubblemanYeah, and they were the tightest stainless steel screens like you must have been buying them custom because you just couldn't buy those at head shops.

1:24:15SpeakerNo, they were too big. And when you have really, really good dry sift and you heat it, it turns into liquid and will run right through most screens, even the really fine ones. I used to put two of them in a bowl. That way, even if it turned into liquid, it didn't run through it.

1:24:39BubblemanBeautifully. I want to see that hash you showed, Brian. I'm going to put you on the speaker so we can actually see it proper, but you have to talk and turn your mic off. Otherwise, it's going to stay on sound.

1:24:52Bryan Best Friend FarmsGot you.

1:24:53BubblemanThere it is. Now you're there.

1:24:54Bryan Best Friend FarmsAll right. This is some, excuse me. This is grape smuckers tree. So this is some hash rosin and it's a 90. Yeah, I tried to get it in there.

1:25:06BubblemanLooks fire. It looks hard.

1:25:09Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's actually super soft. So I try to get a whip on there. Okay.

1:25:16BubblemanThat's really nice. Jesus, that is nice.

1:25:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis is from last year's Sun Grown. Full sun, full term, no greenhouse. Yeah, had it frozen and pressed it here, washed and pressed kind of later on. Brought it back alive. Hey, I see some of there. I was going to ask him what he's smoking because when I was visiting back in the day, it was lavender, amnesia, and I think some of the NYCD that you twisted in all kind of together and with bubble hash back then too.

1:25:51SpeakerYeah, I got a few nice bubble hashes. I've been smoking this one the last few days. Let me see.

1:26:01SpeakerThis is Permanent Marker. Oh, nice. I like it. It's a nice indica. And this one's organic. A friend of mine grew it. It's hard to break up. It's really hard to break it up, man.

1:26:15Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat was all we smoked and I smoked when we went there years ago was going to the damp ring and finding your stuff there. I'll never forget holding down this. You got reservations and I was able to join at this Indian restaurant.

1:26:31SpeakerYeah, man, I still go there. I've been going there for 30 years.

1:26:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsLike a huge smoke session. I've never, nothing, you know, I was like 19, so it was mind-blowing.

1:26:40BubblemanWas that like the White Elephant or something?

1:26:43SpeakerNo, Magna.

1:26:45BubblemanOh, Magna.

1:26:46SpeakerYeah. And also, we used to go to this Lebanese restaurant, and they let us smoke, too. I remember... You're talking about where we had the Legends of Hash event? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Those people are really, really nice. But they're gone now. They're gone now. I know. If people complained, they would tell them to leave.

1:27:12BubblemanYeah, I seen it with my own two eyes. I was at the artiste with Rob and Dave and they... Sam's like, I'm going to pull out my roar. Like, yeah, you know, Simone lets us have a puff. And I was just like, what are you talking about, dude? And he took a big rip right in the restaurant in the middle of the day, blew out this big bong rip.

1:27:31BubblemanAnd this like Dutch couple got like bugged out by it and like complained to him. And he was like... He's like, you guys can leave because they're not leaving.

1:27:40SpeakerAnd I was just like, what the fuck is going on right now?

1:27:46Collin PalmerWell, the influence flies off, man, because, you know, when we were in, I remember you and I were at dinner at a really good restaurant at the TD building in Toronto, and like you pulled out a rig and you like lit it up right there under the table and just like blew it out under the table and it like rose underneath us. That's how mentorship works, right?

1:28:08Collin PalmerI was like, what? You get inspired by the mentor? I was like, what?

1:28:12BubblemanYou're like, this motherfucker's puffing in the restaurant?

1:28:16Collin PalmerTotally.

1:28:17SpeakerWell, I only did it in places like the Artiste where I knew they would not complain. Because I respect the right to not want to smoke or not want to smell it. It's just, yeah, I'm going to do what I'm going to do.

1:28:42BubblemanYes, you are. And I think that that is a great sentence to live by.

1:28:49SpeakerSounds like a 49er.

1:28:54SpeakerIndeed. Well, we were both born in 49, as you well know, Soma. And we're both Leos to boot.

1:29:06BubblemanBoth hash heads. You guys definitely love smoking great hash. That is the way that I met both of you, in fact, through the hash. The hash has introduced me to some wonderful people over the years. I'm not going to lie. It really has. Shout out to the hash.

1:29:23SpeakerYep. Now I got to put some in my bowl again. Shout out to the hash.

1:29:31Collin PalmerShout out to the hash.

1:29:32SpeakerShout out like bubble bags because before bubble bags, nobody really knew how to make great dry soup. You could make good dry soup but not the finest. And bubble bags allowed everybody to make hash that bubbled.

1:29:52BubblemanThey definitely helped change the game. You know, I feel like the water extraction was a big one. Like to me, it was the biggest one of my life in the cannabis world. And then rosin happened. And I thought, you know what, that might even be bigger. Because with bubble, the people that got the most inspired by bubble were the people who made great bubble. And believe it or not, they were far and few between.

1:30:15BubblemanThey were like less than 10%, you know, unfortunately. Otherwise, It's why BHO took off so amazingly.

1:30:23SpeakerA huge amount of the roads we've made today is from bubble.

1:30:28BubblemanYeah, absolutely. It popularized bubble in a new way. And this is the way I saw it very clearly. When I started making bubble, only the nicest bubble would come out amazing. That six star, right? It was grown to perfection. Everything was done properly. No mistakes were made. No corners were cut. Absolutely. Right? You know, you can't cut the corners. And what happened is a very small percentage of people were able to produce that.

1:30:54BubblemanA very small percentage. And other people would produce the shitty sand and be like, how do I get my bubble to melt? And they did not want to hear, oh, you just dedicate your life to the plant, spend the next 20 years making mistakes and learning about the symbiotic relationship the plant has with Fungi and the mycorrhizal sphere and how that's going to get what you need done for the plant, a fungal intelligence.

1:31:22BubblemanOh, yeah. Or just take that plant and blast it in a PVC pipe with some BHO and you'll get this golden honey oil. So I think it was easier for people, even though that was so dangerous. And my goodness, so dangerous.

1:31:38SpeakerI almost killed myself doing that.

1:31:40BubblemanOh, dude, I'm glad you didn't. But a lot of people... I don't want to say a lot of people killed themselves. A lot of people blew up and burned themselves, which is bad enough. The few or the smaller amount that passed away. I mean, honestly, I said it from day one. I didn't think that there had ever been anything worse in cannabis since the DEA. Until like high school kids started indoor blasting BHO and blowing up because I ended up being, you know, that's when Indra got in touch with me.

1:32:09BubblemanAnd he, you know, as we know, John Indra, he was the guy that released that method on Euroid under the name Indra back in 99, the same year I released the bubble bags. And so he felt super guilty about that. And he would send me information about mercapotines and Things that were in the oil that were contaminating and all of this information and me sharing it made me this hugely biased anti-BHO guy, which of course the narrative was Bubble Man's just trying to protect his bag business, which was very difficult to be perceived like that when that's not who I am at all.

1:32:45BubblemanI was legitimately concerned with young people blowing up. But when you have mediocre flour that makes mediocre hash, you know, blasting it through some some BHO is probably the easiest way at the time to make some dabs. Now, we have rosin now like they can just go buy a hair straightener and do it super inexpensively with parchment and a hair straightener. So I got to give a huge shout out to rosin like Sam just gave a huge shout out to bubble hash.

1:33:12BubblemanIt's reinvigorated the hash world into making hash. And now it's reinvigorated the conversation because I'm sure Brian is probably putting exceptional hash into his rosin. But let's be honest, most rosin is subpar bubble hash pressed.

1:33:27SpeakerAnd do you remember before Rosin, who was it? Compassion? Yes.

1:33:34BubblemanI spoke about him the other day. Stainless steel bowls and a spoon. Yeah. In the warm water. So the bowl was warm.

1:33:43SpeakerI did that with my dry sift. It worked fucking... Great. It's never as clean as you can make rosin.

1:33:51BubblemanNo, but that was a super archaic way. And what Compassion was doing, his name's Chadwick. He was taking a spoon inside a bowl in sort of the double broiler, like the hot water was making it warm in the bowl. And he would milk the hash by just rubbing it around the bowl and rubbing the heads and exploding them. And the oil would stick to the side of the stainless.

1:34:16BubblemanAnd the wax would just sort of stay together and he'd keep rolling it until he had a little ball of like almost, you know, very little THC and mostly just wax membranes. Then he'd cool the bowl and he'd shave it with a razor blade. This is all on IC Mag 2008. It's also on my website, FullMeltBubble.com. Compassion, C-O-M-P-H-A-S-O-N. And he was the first one to do it.

1:34:39BubblemanHe even called it rosin, but it was just not, it wasn't, the timing wasn't right. The timing was right when Phil, Soil Grown Sal, decided to one day, After being inspired by Nikiti, who was taking the bubble and putting it in parchment and hitting it with a hair straightener to create flags, which he would then, you know, slice and dab those flags. And Nikiti was sort of fighting the battle in Colorado.

1:35:05BubblemanAnd it's why he coined the term solventless was that dabs at the time before he did that, everyone thought dabs were BHO. And for the most part, dabs were BHO. Now this was going to change that. Nikiti was like, it doesn't have to be BHO. You can dab hash. And so he created the solventless term. And then he started doing that with the parchment and right. And so I guess Soil Grown had hit anyone that did it had hit it too hot at least one or two times and saw some oil come out.

1:35:34BubblemanHe didn't really think about it. He wrapped it all back in. But one day after, you know, a year straight of making flags, he ran out of hash and he had no hash. And he was just like he just put a bud in the parchment and just kind of gave it one of these and opened it up and saw these little drops of oil. And that's when it clicked.

1:35:54BubblemanNow, the timing for him was Instagram. Instagram had just been building up. It had been, I think it came out in 2010, Instagram in October. And this was in 2014 of March that Soil Grown would post this on Instagram and it would spread like wildfire. Less than two weeks later, he was on Hash Church. And less than a week later, I was in Barcelona, Spain at Spanibus showing everyone, Greg Gardner, Remo, DNA Genetics, like a huge group of people.

1:36:27BubblemanI was at Javi's booth for medical seeds and we were showing people the hair straightener method right then and there. So shout out to Soil Grown and Nickity and everyone that played a part in sort of having that explode. It's why it's important that we have to be allowed to be inspired by one another and we can't control and hoard and keep things to ourselves. We have to be allowed to do the work.

1:36:56SpeakerWell, what I think most people first dabbed was water hash. If it was melt and bubble, you know, most of the really good stuff all did. And even before that, for maybe a decade before that, I was making dry sift that was 99.9. And that also, you could dab it really, really, really easy. You could. It was still in the head.

1:37:25BubblemanIt was insane.

1:37:26Etienne FontanSo crazy.

1:37:28BubblemanSo yeah, it's a little history there on the water hash and the rosin. And you know what? For me, rosin is even bigger and more special because A, it allows people to make a dabbleable product for something that's maybe mediocre or mids or not the top, top quality. You can still make a dabbleable product. My God, if I was 18 or 19 years old and someone just took even some of that like, Brickweed or whatever and pressed it into oil.

1:37:56BubblemanI would have been so like happy. You know, I was talking to this guy on the panel the other day. I asked everyone on my panel, hey, what was your introductions to concentrates? And this guy, Cisco, so good. He's like, well, my, you know, first the guy, oh my, I first learned with Rosin. He was a young guy, Alex. And then another guy, oh yeah, I first saw the bubble hash.

1:38:14BubblemanHe was like 2012. But this guy, Cisco, he went back to like the 80s. And so they were like, what was your introduction to extracts? And he was like, Cleaning out my pipe and smoking the pipe resin. I had to laugh and have appreciation for that. He's like, hey, it is what it is. It's my history. It's where I came from. At the time, it was amazing.

1:38:35BubblemanIt sounds disgusting today, but man, I'll tell you, it was pretty great back then. So shout out to all the different ways that we got inspired by cannabis. How about you, Wade? I'd love to hear about how you were first inspired by cannabis. Like when did you first hit cannabis? I think Soma said 1967? Yes.

1:38:57SpeakerYeah, my involvement with cannabis is probably the summer of 1969. I was a summer camp counselor for the Boy Scouts. And I was a waterfront guy and taught a lot of kids how to swim. And one of the groups of kids was... Brought up each week by a pair of scout masters who were organizing groups of kids in the inner city in Miami who didn't have the chance to get out into the woods and explore and do that.

1:39:40SpeakerAnyway, I taught a lot of those kids how to swim. And these two guys pulled me aside one afternoon. Thank you for joining us.

1:39:58SpeakerBut I was an athlete, I was a swimmer, hoping to go to school on a scholarship, et cetera, et cetera. So I didn't get very involved with cannabis at that point in my life, but I had very fond memories of that experience and occasional opportunities to share it. And then ended up in the Navy. After I got out of the Navy, I bought land and decided to make a living growing organic berries, strawberries and raspberries.

1:40:30SpeakerAnd much like Soma's story, tossed seeds out into my garden. And the second summer I had that farm, I had eight female plants. Steve Sorenson, And I, at the appropriate time, pulled them up by the roots, was doing a lot of reading, trying to figure out what was right about how to take care of the plants at harvest. And I made more money off of those eight plants, selling them a few buds at a time to people in the mountains of North Carolina.

1:41:05SpeakerThen I ever made from strawberries and raspberries, all the strawberry jams and pies and men. But I started getting phone calls from people I didn't know wanting to know if they could get some flour from me. And that's when I decided to let go of the farm. And I went off to an intentional community. That eventually I realized was about Buddhism. And I spent eight years there learning the practices that the Buddha taught.

1:41:44SpeakerAnd during that time, I also chose to abstain from cannabis because our agreements involved abstaining from all intoxicants. But after I left the community and had my twin daughters, And whatnot, life's realities kicked in. And I realized that an old friend was calling to me. And I started consuming cannabis on a regular basis and eventually started growing and indoors at first. Did that for 15 years. What a pain in the ass.

1:42:21SpeakerAnd yeah, I don't know. At some point, the I think the very first time I really got the medical aspect of cannabis, a sailing buddy, a friend who was a sailor, had disappeared from the scene for, I don't know, months. And then he showed up and he looked like hell. He had these lesions all over his hands and arms. And it turned out he had prostate cancer that had metastasized into his body.

1:42:53SpeakerAnd he was a good friend. This was hard. And I offered him cannabis and he took it and he loved it. And he said it didn't help with his cancer, but it made his life better. That was his observation. And it really touched me. You can probably hear it in my voice.

1:43:16SpeakerAnd yeah, eventually, I don't know, long story short, Harlequin happened and that really blew my mind.

1:43:30SpeakerSo yeah, that's my story.

1:43:33BubblemanThat's an incredible story, Wade. I've never heard a cannabis origin story start with, I was a Boy Scout leader at Boy Scout camp. Like that, that is so cool, dude. I appreciate that. You know, I've known you a while and I didn't know any of that stuff. So I appreciate you sharing it.

1:43:52SpeakerAnd Wade, when you bred Harlequin, you were not trying to breed a CBD variety? Did you breed it before you looked to see if it had CBD? Sam, just to be really clear, I've never claimed credit for breeding Harlequin. Much like Soma's story about some of his things, it was a gift. My hope was that it would be a type one hash producer because at that point, for my own needs, I was very much in love with hash and was looking for something new that would flourish indoors.

1:44:30SpeakerAnd one of the people that worked with me was a fellow from Switzerland who I've been asked not to name names, but yeah, fairly ambitious Swiss grower sent some seeds over and I sprouted them and one of them stood out like a sore thumb and that was Harlequin. And And it stood out because you suspected it had CBD or for other reasons? No, it was just an incredibly beautiful plant, Sam.

1:45:01SpeakerYou know, there's something about this plant that we all share a recognition of. And for me, I had seen nowhere near the number of plants most of you have looked at. But there was something about this one in a group of about 20 plants in my little indoor nursery that just spoke to me. I can't explain it. And part of how... I understand easily. I had a variety that was moderately high in CBC.

1:45:36SpeakerThis was, you know, decades ago. And I didn't test it and find it. I just kept it because I knew there was something special about it. And yeah, because I did try smoking it. I wasn't impressed. But CBD and CBC are not what impresses me so much because I'm interested in THC and the terps and the other things. Well, like you, Sam, I was a bit disappointed in Harlequin when it first happened because that original plant, I took two cuts of it, grew them out.

1:46:18SpeakerAnd meantime, as I grew that original plant as a mother, and by the time I harvested those two, I had 60, six zero in 10 gallon bags ready to go into my Growing situation and for the first time ever, I had patients bringing back product I had given them. I had given out flour from those two cuts and people were bringing it back. They loved the smell.

1:46:49SpeakerThey loved the taste. Didn't get them high. Did I have anything that would get them high? And I was faced with, oh my God, I'm filling up my room with plants that nobody wants. But one person, one of the people who brought it back said, what are you treating it with? I got metal parts in my shoulder. I've been in and out of opioid rehab a bunch of times.

1:47:12SpeakerOpioids never make the pain go away. They make it so I don't care that I'm in pain. When I smoke a joint of this shit, the pain goes away. What are you treating it with? And I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. But that made me take it and get it tested at the lab that had just opened Steep Hill that Jan was involved with.

1:47:34SpeakerAnd yeah, when it came back, everybody was all googly eyed. They wanted to know if I had live plant material. And yeah. And when I realized what it was, of course, like many of you, I gave it away. I wanted to make sure there was as many of them out there as possible. And from what, 2009 to 2015, if you were in the Bay Area around San Francisco, there were several dispensaries there where you could find clones of Harlequin.

1:48:05SpeakerAnd I've let it go since then. I've realized that there's a lot of CBD plant material out there. And my interest really, I was never, I never saw myself as a breeder. I saw myself as a medicine maker. And as Soma has called out, a healer. I definitely considered myself a cannabis breeder and we consciously bred CBD varieties. I think the first one was in the late 90s that we developed and it was basically CBD only with a tiny percent of THC because CBD synthase also produces THC.

1:48:49SpeakerSo no matter how hard you try to get an absolutely only CBD variety, it ain't true. It ain't happening.

1:49:02BubblemanWhat was the results on the Harlequin, Wade?

1:49:06SpeakerOh, let's see. It was a long time ago. Memory says it was something like...

1:49:19Speaker12% CBD and 8% THC. It was a two and three, more or less. Okay. Go ahead. The one I bred was between 8% and 10% CBD and little to no THC, but there was like less than 1% THC.

1:49:49SpeakerYeah, I thought I thought. Much as people, including me, didn't like Harlequin for the fact that it didn't get them stoned when I. I have. Had the experience of CBD plant material other than Harlequin having really remarkable, wonderful effects in my body. And I'm really, like I said, I've never taken credit for breeding it. I will take credit for recognizing something special and then making sure it was available to people.

1:50:24SpeakerAnd of course that drove me to the work that I've done over the last, I don't know, 10 years or so of recognizing that there are children who need the plant and its chemistry Some of them need it enough that it keeps them alive. And we've had some of them on Hash Church. And I've had the opportunity to help some of those families and children. And yeah, that really opens your heart when you hear a story of a child who's no longer having seizures because of plants or products that you've been able to provide to their family.

1:51:09BubblemanThat's beautiful work. That is indeed beautiful work. I remember, I think it was Forrester who, how I met you in the beginning and Silas and that whole story and then leading into what you guys were doing together with the creams for those kids that had that terrible skin disease. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:51:48BubblemanSo unreal amounts of pain and suffering in not only a child, but also their parents, the loved ones that surround that child. That is like, that's next level stuff to be able to change that. That is about as real as it gets.

1:52:08SpeakerWell, the real tragedy of what's going on with legalization and normalization of cannabis is that need is out there. I mean, it's, you know, it's not widely spoken of, but there are more than a few kids, more than a few people Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:52:54SpeakerIdeally, ideally, really making a difference that not only helps people that are suffering, but really creates the opportunity for people to celebrate, to enjoy their lives, to recognize the beauty that life is. Because that's one of the other benefits of this plant is it brings you out of the grind and helps me recognize the beauty of life. Wow.

1:53:32SpeakerIt's more than just THC and CBD too. It's CBC, THCV. I mean, all of these minor cannabinoids have some sort of use for some sort of medical problems. We just haven't discovered them all yet.

1:53:53BubblemanWell, I love the fact that the discoveries seem to be in the hands for the longest time of the heads. You know, it's great that the scientists are catching on and they're a part of it now. We support them and we love to be able to have lab work and do all that to facilitate, you know, somewhat proving what the numbers are. But it always seems to come down to the heads who are the ones planting those seeds, throwing the seeds out the window and being like, holy shit, I'm going to grow some of these plants.

1:54:25BubblemanSo it's... It's incredible, really. It's been an incredible journey for the last 30 years or so of having this plant in my life. And I think you're right, Wade. I think it's important for us to gather on Sundays and have these conversations because when we don't, they don't seem to happen. And I know when I'm just sitting and talking with you guys, it just seems completely normal and regular.

1:54:50BubblemanBut when I look back in 10 years, I'll say, well, those conversations we were having were We're helping shape and steer our industry and community. So thank you guys, of course, for showing up.

1:55:04SpeakerAnd look at her. My snake, she loves being, she's not budging. She loves being, I'm telling you, she's aware of this thing right now. She's just sitting there watching the screen like I am. And she knows. She hasn't moved. She's into it, Dan. That's awesome. And I think I'm going to go now.

1:55:35BubblemanWell, thanks for coming on, Soma. I appreciate you, dude.

1:55:38SpeakerI love being on here. I love seeing all you beautiful beings. It's inspiring for me. On the 24th of September, send me a nice vibe when I go to court for cannabis because I'm going to change something if I can.

1:55:59SpeakerAnd don't stop doing what you're doing, everyone, because... And I'm going to get in touch with you, Sam. I love you, man. Rock and roll. Come on over. I will. I'll call you. Thanks for coming on, Soma. We'll have you come on anytime. Of course, man. Inspiring. Keep doing it.

1:56:21BubblemanReally good. Yeah. Go check out Soma at Soma Seeds on Instagram and send them a nice private message on the 24th. 24th?

1:56:33SpeakerYeah.

1:56:33BubblemanThe 4th of September. Remember, he's nine hours ahead, too. So maybe send it on the 23rd at night.

1:56:44Collin PalmerAwesome, brother.

1:56:46BubblemanLove y'all.

1:56:47Collin PalmerLove you, man.

1:56:49BubblemanNice, super chill vibes today on Tasha's birthday. 21. Happy birthday to your son, bro. Thanks, Soma. I remember when I turned 21, my dad was like, well, now you can go to jail anywhere in the world.

1:57:10BubblemanThat's what he said to me. I'm not going to lie. It's awesome. It's the truth. It is the truth.

1:57:19SpeakerNice picture.

1:57:20BubblemanHave fun. Yeah, thanks, Soma. Talk to you soon. Blessing. Talk to you soon. So many good times visiting Soma in Amsterdam. A lot of people have the same, well, not the same as me, but different stories of so many people. I met Soma in Amsterdam in 2009. One guy was like, oh, the pink girl from America that's afraid of snakes says hi, Soma. I guess she wasn't afraid.

1:57:44BubblemanYou turned her onto a snake that she wasn't afraid of.

1:57:47SpeakerSnakes. You always have to be careful in life, but snakes can be some of your best friends.

1:57:55SpeakerMy snake, I had a black indigo when I was a teenager. It used to crawl up in bed and sleep in my bed because I was warm. Yeah, they love warm spots. And my snake was very loving, but I fed him live mice. You have to feed your live mice. And she actually bit me five times in the 23 years. Not out of meanness, by accident. They got really clean mouths, though.

1:58:32BubblemanAll right. I'm just going to send this link out to Tomas. See you later, dude. Love you.

1:58:42BubblemanLook at that. When one door is closed, another is open. Boom. Runmaster LED popping into the room. Oh, nice. Well, so much popping out.

1:58:56DutchI was going to say something a bit, way, way back that I just keep bouncing in my head, so I'm going to say it. On the Septoria game, powdery mildew, Septoria game, fungal disease game, like mulch. Mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, like whatever kind of mulch you can get is such a huge game changer. And the more developed it can be, the better it can help. I just moved from, I told you guys earlier, moved from Washington where I had these super developed beds that I could, I could put powdery mildew plants right in the middle of them.

1:59:33DutchThey would just eat that shit up. Now I'm out here in a totally different type soil, totally different environment. Septoria is rampant and it's a sandy soil and it's really humid here and hot and Septoria started creeping up and so I don't have a ton of like old mulch, but I had fresh wood chips dropped and I hit those on top of my soil because it was all I had for a little extra.

2:00:00SpeakerHave you used picoderma?

2:00:03DutchNo, I didn't use any trichoderma. This, I was coming to the point of what I did use though, is I have a food grade lactobacillus that's powderized. And I use that with a little bit of coconut water powder and aloe mixed together. And then I also have a liquid bacillus blend that is, that's also, I could just mix those up in the tank and hit those. And I could see a difference from, from the patch that I applied that on and to the patch that I didn't.

2:00:29DutchAnd even more so too, I recently got these Oops, sorry, my battery did a thing. But I recently got these aeroponic grow towers for lettuce. And I got them to do herbs and stuff for the family. And I couldn't help myself. I had a bunch of seeds. I was like, fuck it, dude, you got to put them in there, you know. And so I threw them in there.

2:00:51DutchAnd sure as shit, they all got powdery mildew, you know, no mulch grown in the hydroponics. They're healthy, looking great, but Thank you for joining us.

2:01:18SpeakerThe real, real key is, of course, to use varieties which are resistant, but even more important, use varieties that are not susceptible because they both have resistance and susceptibility genes. And if you don't use the varieties that are susceptible, you don't see powdery mildew.

2:01:41DutchTotally. Totally. I agree. I agree with that for sure. But even like just to wave the mulch banner harder, like in Washington, in my greenhouse, I have not seen PM for years on varieties that are really, really used to getting it, like Hollywood Pure Kush.

2:01:56SpeakerWell, but ideally, you want it to express itself so you don't, so you either test or know and you don't breed with them because all you're doing Spreading the susceptibility genes through the gene pool and that's so good for anybody.

2:02:15DutchNo, I'm with you on that. I was just trying to wave this banner so hard because I just see so many people that struggle with it and it's like it's a really easy thing to deal with. You know, in my mind is, is get a good mulch down, you know, one way or the other. And people are always like, well, I don't have age wood chips. I don't have this and that.

2:02:34DutchAnd it's just like, just having the ability to stop the sporulation happening from happening is huge. You know, that's, that's what's happening is they're, they're fungi and in the wet and dry back, they sporulate out into the air. And if you have a good mulch, you're, you're, you're slowly making that transition from properly moist soil to dry air. And in that transition, in those micro Transition is where the beneficial fungi, bugs, all these things happen that make the whole thing lock in.

2:03:04DutchAnd people that have said, oh, I tried organics and it didn't work for me. I'm always like, well, did you have mulch? No, no, the boss wouldn't let me do it. It was too messy or whatever. It's It's 100% the key to making this shit work. I see Best Friend Farms like agreeing, you know, and Wade.

2:03:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I just, I added mulch in this year later and just kind of like building from local straw mulch, just from like I went as close as I could to the farm and it was a little harder to find. It definitely saw the difference kick in in like a week or two, definitely two week window where you saw the difference in the plant health. Pretty immediate. It was substantial.

2:03:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd then I'm kind of like going back to with what Sam's talking about as far as like, you know, simple approach for me is kind of looking at it as almost field testing with this issue gone for a few years now. And it's not it's no fun. It's definitely here and it lives here. But I'm seeing that small percent of the population, about a 10%. Thank you for joining us.

2:04:32Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know, the vegetative into the fungal rooting situation where it seems to ride the, you know, mycorrhizal other fungal network kicks in and it overrides the septoria somewhat, but Dutch might know more there and kind of locking in on some knowledge as far as what I'm listening to and applying myself for inoculation just naturally through compost and different composts that are known to be clean. And anyway, yeah, I've heard trichoderma.

2:05:00DutchYeah, I can't. Speak to the science. That's why I put the conferences on as I'm a farmer and I'm like, oh, we do this and this and this works. And then the scientists either validate what I'm doing or they say, oh, we'll try it this way a little bit differently, you know, and and this is I've never dealt with septoria. And so I just this is a new experience for me.

2:05:19DutchI'm like, oh, shit. And it was also new for me to not have developed beds. And I was like, oh, this. So I'm kind of feeling like the pain of a, you know, what beginning farmer might feel or beginning grower. And Those things are really simple and easy to do and help me out. Do you guys have that septory out there in Washington? Not really. No, it's more the bud rot.

2:05:40DutchWe definitely have a lot of powdery mildew that people struggle with, but bud rot is just so hard. Usually about this time of year, it's drizzling every day and 65 and It's just, there's not much you can do except for genetics, really, is hunt for genetics, which is a great, that was a great opportunity for me for the last, you know, eight years is, is I learned a lot and I have a lot of things that, you know, genetics that I can do work with, you know, that are strong that way.

2:06:08Collin PalmerThe East Coast can be fickle like that. You know, this year has been fairly good for outdoor, to be honest. It's been a pretty good one. There's been some things here and there that have been questionable, but fairly good overall compared to last year, for instance, right? And then prior years, I've seen 21 inches of rain in September and just things just go south really quickly. So you get this really big gamut of, you know, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:06:59Collin PalmerAs a farmer growing cannabis, it's really tough to swallow because you're it's like, what do you do? You know, and then you have to really select towards varietals that can stay outside, you know, that long.

2:07:13GmlSo are you guys strictly referencing outdoor? Are you guys talking about indoor too? No, just outdoor in general.

2:07:19Collin PalmerBoophouse, if you're doing that with no real HVAC or even greenhouse for that matter with no HVAC, you know, it's really difficult to control the VPD. You know, it just becomes a complete peak and valley scenario. So, you know, you just have to select towards genetics to Sam's point that actually work and You know, that's the benefit of some of these people that have been out in New York or in Maine for numbers or decades, you know, selecting towards those varietals, you know, because it makes your growing that much more enjoyable.

2:07:54Collin PalmerYou're focusing on different things, you know, like how can I optimize rather than how do I fight? Yeah.

2:08:00DutchI want to hear what you have to say real quick, Grandmaster, because I know you got something good with the lighting, as I assume. I've been watching your new lights and I'm excited to hear about it. But I just want to say real quick with the mulch, indoor, it's the same game. Indoor beds, indoor pots, if you have that mulch on there, it stops the whole thing.

2:08:19DutchAnd the bigger the pot, the easier it is because you're not letting the thing sporulate. Remember, it always comes down to Thanks for watching.

2:08:49GmlWhen even dealing with powdery mildew, especially indoors, and like Colin was just mentioning, VPD is one of the most important factors of keeping it in check. And in most cases that I have seen, in a lot of cases in indoor situations where they're getting it, they're trying to correct it without solving the reason on why it's getting it. And in most cases, like having something like a Pulse Pro or something to be able to read The temperature and humidity the whole time.

2:09:15GmlAnd what you'll see is what I, in most cases when I'm doing any type of consulting, it usually boils down to when the lights are out, the humidity gets too, or the temperature gets too cold with the humidity being too high. And a lot of people really Thank you so much for joining us.

2:09:44GmlIt didn't make sense to me at first, but then like really having a proper understanding of that, I think will solve everybody's problem. Like there's, it's one thing if you're introducing it, but if you're doing something that's creating it by having a low dew point, it's just something to be aware of. And like getting something like a pulse for $200, what I like about it, and there's other units besides pulse also, I'm not just saying directly pulse, I'm just referencing it, is you can put it in there and it boils everything down to the minute.

2:10:10GmlSo it's like I can put it in somebody's room within 24 hours and I can really see, engage what's going on. And it usually tells me all the data I need to know. Anyways, I just wanted to say that. And yeah, with outdoor, like obviously in a greenhouse, adding heat at nighttime is obviously going to be key to help controlling it and keeping your VPD in check.

2:10:29GmlIf your VPD is in check, it's not going to grow.

2:10:32Collin PalmerSure. The other thing I wanted to add on that, and I love everything you said, I totally agree with. I think the PPFD comes into play too with leaf temperature. When you're dealing with the room temperature and the humidity together and how that interplays to one another, that balance is really where you're going to get best resin production and where you're going to get the best expression from that environment.

2:10:56Collin PalmerI invite everybody to kind of dial that in. And I think the Pulse Pro, I've actually used it. I've been on their program. I've done several cycles with it myself personally. I think it's an awesome, really easy to use piece that will help you understand larger pieces of equipment if you're using like Argus or whatever else you move into at scale. You know what I mean? So it's like, or whatever it is, you know, like GrowLink or whatever, whatever you choose.

2:11:24Collin PalmerThere's so many things.

2:11:26GmlAbsolutely. I like having actually too, because any type of equipment can fail. And like, even if to someone, if they are listening and you don't have a unit like Pulse, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:11:54GmlSo you guys can like get down there and fix the situation or make sure that everything is running correct. So I think it's one of the biggest no-brainers for anybody with a commercial operation to have two. Don't rely on just one unit because most people have a controller that controls everything already in your room that will alert you. You always want to have a backup. Any server can go down or anything.

2:12:14BubblemanCan you customize that email so it says, dude, you're fucking up. Get down to the grow. Shit's going off down here. You bet you can.

2:12:21DutchNext email's going to the boss, bitch.

2:12:24BubblemanOh my God, dude, that's so good.

2:12:26GmlLike, just think about a game changer that would have been 15 years ago or like 20 years ago. Like when we just, you know, you don't even know about it until you enter the room and it's, you're like hit with that damn wave and there's water dripping off the ceilings.

2:12:41Collin PalmerYeah, there was an interesting product I worked on a year and a half ago called Bud Scout, where it takes camera for linking technology. It goes on a track and scans the whole grow constantly, like on every, I think, every 30 seconds or 50 seconds, maybe every minute or so. And it reports the data back. So over time it aggregates it and it learns about that varietal, learns about your feeding schedule, and then it compounds the data so you can understand like what the efficiencies are of it.

2:13:14Collin PalmerAnd when you're actually utilizing the theory that you're putting, whether it's like, I'm gonna add more of this or that or whatever in terms of target feeding. And furthermore, it also alerts you for things like powdery mildew or, Other constituents that are leaf born, you know, you know, call it just infectious things. So it's a really interesting product, but it's, you know, I think it's still in beta, but I think that type of stuff as we move forward is going to be helpful in conjunction with the lights that you you've created, for instance.

2:13:51Collin PalmerAnd I remember we had a conversation, I think Dutch wanted to touch on this about the the the lights that you've created and then the under You know, canopy lights that control pest management. You know, I, I, when, I think when we spoke, I had been introduced to Integra and I wasn't such a huge, I mean, I use them and I thought they were okay, but it did definitely do something, but I didn't quite feel like it did enough to really get behind it and endorse it.

2:14:19Collin PalmerBut your technology or the technology that you've, you've harnessed seems, um, seems a little bit more well-rounded and a little bit more towards. You know, real pest management. Can you want to, could you elaborate like what it is and just refresh even me on what it is?

2:14:38GmlWell, what I think has happened in the past and why we are the first people to really bring it to is there was a lot of people that were on the right path. Thank you for joining us.

2:15:01GmlSo basically the UVC wavelength is 100 nanometer to 280 nanometer. We have it coming from the sun, but it's blocked by the atmosphere. So we don't have it. You don't experience it here. It's extremely harmful and dangerous to humans. Now, there's a lot of people that are leading R&D around the world that are saying not to use it and it's dangerous. And I'm saying they're far behind and they're completely wrong.

2:15:29GmlJust like... You know, you can take a blender and stick your hand in there while it's running and you're going to chop up your hand. It can be dangerous to use. But when you have SOPs in the right direction, it's not going to be. And what we did was we went off somebody else's. It was an abandoned utility patent that gave us everything that we went off and like from 2012.

2:15:51GmlAnd then we just started with our R&D and we We went down the hunt of making UVC fixtures and there's all different diodes. So the most expensive diode too, like some of the diodes that we experimented with cost as much as $10 per diode. And like, so a lot of people don't realize like the associated costs, the different efficacy and the different wavelengths. So we made all different types of units with all different types of brands that have all different wavelengths.

2:16:16GmlAnd out of all of them, one of them we stumbled across had a much higher efficacy than everything else. And so then we just kind of went with that. And we're still like, it's been, we're still developing it as we are going. But as soon as we got it certified in the United States, we're allowed to sell it as a pesticide light. We felt it couldn't be held back anymore.

2:16:36GmlAnd we like the SOPs are going to be continued to develop. But as it sits right now, if you have a thrip infestation, we can come in there and in eight days, wipe it out. Without a predator, bug or pesticide. And that breaks every single rule of growing. And it's extremely effective against spider mites too. In the very first couple of days, we've had feedback. All the R&D that we initially did was 10 minute treatments on spider mites, which was in some cases enough to beat them if it was only a very small infestation.

2:17:05GmlBut when you took like hundreds and had hundreds of eggs and let them establish for 36 hours, we couldn't beat them, but we could slow them down dramatically, easily 90 to 95%. And within 21 days, No webbing. And what's incredible when we were looking at some of the documentation is what they could do in 12 hours with healthy mites that are hungry. They can come in and totally chew up your leaves and disrupt it so much.

2:17:28GmlAnd then it's just incredible to see what like seven days later That after they've been getting hit with it, how they're just kind of walking around, not doing the regular thing, not setting up shop. It's like I believe that in like a few years that UVC will replace like 98% of pesticides In cannabis growing in the commercial sector. If it's not our predator, there's going to be other people that are going to be coming up with this and are going to figure it out too.

2:17:55GmlIt's not like the only really advantage that we have, we have a utility patent on the way it's delivered, on how it's mounted. And so that kind of gives us a pretty, pretty good protection if someone tries to, someone's going to have to come up with a different way of applying it.

2:18:08SpeakerWhat does UVC do to predatory mites? Does it kill them?

2:18:14GmlIt definitely, it just, it disrupts their RNA and DNA. So like it just wiped them right out. So like the only thing that I, like hypoacus, like I've had hypoacus and it definitely, I know they like to spend majority of their time in the soil and they do kind of walk up on the pots. You don't really see them on the plant. It definitely doesn't disrupt them.

2:18:35GmlOr something like a rogue beetle, like we've seen people using them. But if you have something like Swirsky or any type of anything that's going to be mobile on the upper plant, it's going to affect them because when the dark, when the lights go out, we use it in the middle of darkness. And even though it's not enough to disrupt the plants, it's like a massive spotlight to little soft body insects that are then drawn into it.

2:18:57SpeakerAnd that has no effect on photo period.

2:19:01GmlNo, it does not.

2:19:03SpeakerThat's amazing.

2:19:04GmlYeah, it is. It's pretty incredible, man. We were, you know, it was a hard one at first when we even when I was even first doing the R&D to just drop them in rooms that were in flower. But we had already tested it like and we've we've tested it using it for like a couple hours at a period to the point where it's damaging. Like we had a timer fail.

2:19:25GmlWhich led to us making a discovery that you can systemically emit the UV into the plant. And at the same time, it was a really good thing that it happened because I realized if we didn't take some sort of precaution, we could just kill people's crops if they had their timers fail. So we've made it so that if your timer does fail, it can only run for 15 minutes and then you have to shut the power on and off to bring it back on.

2:19:47GmlSo I was very thankful that that actually happened. You know, sometimes accidents, it's kind of weird how it can happen.

2:19:55SpeakerIt makes sense that it wouldn't disturb the photo period. Didn't you say that this specific wavelength of light doesn't make it through the atmosphere, so the plant would not be sensitive to that frequency?

2:20:08GmlNo, well, no, it actually, the reason why it doesn't disrupt the wavelength is because of the wattage is so low. It's just not enough to wake it up. So For every 16 square feet, we are only using 10 watts of power and it's underneath too. It doesn't matter if it's up above, it's not enough to actually disrupt it. But you would think that's a pretty good theory though, that it would make sense.

2:20:33SpeakerYeah, because we used to keep our plants vegetative with just a 60-watt agricultural blue bulb that was on 100 square feet.

2:20:47BubblemanThat's what they do in Columbia. When you drive through the mountains, you see all those little light bulbs.

2:20:53SpeakerAnd all you have to give, depending on the cultivar, is anywhere from an hour to two hours in the middle of the darkness period. It's really low levels will disrupt photo period.

2:21:06BubblemanAnd that timeline of the UVC is so much smaller. It's like preventatively, it's like five minutes. If you're really fighting an infestation, you might be doing 10 or 15 minutes a day.

2:21:17GmlYeah, do you know what? For other people too, because like there's definitely people, even with me telling them that, that it gets concerning for them. And I can understand always trying something new. And one thing to counter is just like right when, do it two minutes after the lights go out then, or right before the lights come on, if you were kind of feeling nervous about it.

2:21:36GmlYeah, you definitely could do that.

2:21:37SpeakerYeah, that's a good solution.

2:21:40GmlBut yeah, it's been it's been pretty exciting, just like in the results in the very first week, because I've made it kind of clear to people like, hey, yes, this is a solution where we can come in and wipe out a thrift infestation. But if you come in there and you got webbed spider mites and everything, this is not going to be a cure that can take out that We want to use it from the beginning.

2:21:59GmlAnd, you know, someone using it within one day of using a 50 minute treatment and they put the light very close to the mites. He's like, we have killed mites and disrupted them and they're super unhappy. And I'm just really excited because other people are going to evolve all different types of SOPs from this point on. And Yeah, I'm excited to see what it's going to do.

2:22:17BubblemanWell, it's an amazing thing because it gives an option to people that maybe don't want to, but will absolutely spray poisons on their plant to protect the crop, to make sure that it gets off. So that's a nice option. It's kind of like the rosin BHO thing, right? Where, okay, well now you can still make dabs out of your mediocre flower or whatever, but you can do it with a hair straightener instead of a balm, right?

2:22:43BubblemanAnd so this is kind of similarly like instead of using those options, you give options. I know as someone who doesn't grow a ton of weed, but I like to have my tents going that the idea of having a couple of five watt bars in my tent as a preventative. So I don't have to worry about like infestations coming into play and You know, I've had people, oh, I'm worried about my, you know, my dog and it's out in the, you know, in the greenhouse.

2:23:10BubblemanI'm like, these are on for like five minutes a day as preventatives. Like you don't have to overly worry. It's not going to kill all of them.

2:23:16SpeakerYou don't want to be under them for five minutes a day, by the way.

2:23:20BubblemanNo, but he's not going to. He thought they were on for like hours at a time and that his dog might end up out there. And I was like, it's five minutes, dude. You just keep your dog in the house when it's on. Let him out when they go out.

2:23:33SpeakerThat's the solution.

2:23:34BubblemanYeah, that is the easy solution.

2:23:37GmlYeah, and nobody should be in there in the middle of darkness anyways while it's being on. And, you know, what was kind of interesting also with this in some of the R&D we did where we couldn't beat the spider mites, like where it was a really bad infestation, but just using one spray of Lost Coast Plant Therapy, At 35 mils per gallon with 35 mils of 99% ISO with one spray with that and then using the predators completely eradicated.

2:24:05GmlSo I'd like to think that for every 10 sprays that you're doing, you could limit it down to one.

2:24:11SpeakerI've never been able to completely eliminate spider mites or russet mites or broad mites. Once you have them, I can control them, make it so there's very little economic damage, but I've never been able to completely eliminate them once they were there.

2:24:33GmlI can't wait to see them actually tested on rusted and broad mites because I think they're going to be even easier to beat. Just they're so much even smaller. Like I can't see how they're going to be able to take it.

2:24:43SpeakerI don't think they hide though in the cracks and nooks. They don't come out as often. So they'd have to come out during the bombardment of UBC.

2:24:57GmlWell, you would just bring them. The beautiful thing about them is with how they're mounted, you can bring them to anywhere in the plant. So if you actually saw an area that was infected, you would just bring it within six inches and blast them. And just, well, like if you wanted to get it close where if you saw the signs of the leaves kind of talk.

2:25:13SpeakerYeah, but they're underneath. The, the, the plant materials, not, I mean, they're not in plain view. They're hidden in nooks and crannies. I'm not sure they're going to get dosed, but.

2:25:29GmlYeah, it'd be interesting to see if they're attracted to light because most insects are attracted or are attracted to light. But, uh, I still would like to, I would be shocked if they're going to be able to take it, but it's going to be interesting to see, like we have a major university with the Dean of Agriculture that is in charge of assisting us with the white papers and all.

2:25:48GmlIt's a very big study, so it's not like something that's happening overnight or even it's like a couple months study, but it's really exciting.

2:25:55Collin PalmerIt'd be great to know, um, you know, I agree with Sam. It's like, it's, it's almost nearly impossible. And if it is, it's almost luck, um, you know, to get rid, especially Russet and Brods, like, cause it's an end of fight and they just have a completely different structural integrity in terms of like its life cycle and what it responds to in terms of the pest management and, um, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:26:37Collin PalmerThat's what I've always seen.

2:26:39BubblemanBut until I went to Thomas's and he showed me his Thrip infestation and I was like, oh, dude, like this is fucked. Like you're not you're not going to get rid of these. And then he was like, well, just come by with your macro camera in a couple of weeks and you can see. And I went there and I photographed. That crop, I looked at it from a distance, photographed it with my phone, no massive bug damage.

2:27:03BubblemanYield didn't seem to be affected. We made bubble from it and got like five star bubble that was over a 20% dry yield from the death bubba crop that it was. And I'd never seen that kind of thrip damage not end up in like catastrophe where you're just like, oh, you're going to have to just like start over, man. Get what you can get if you want.

2:27:22BubblemanBut this is like this is one way damage. And, you know, then he shows me the video of him like I turned the UVC lights on. This was they were really new and he turned the lights on and he had the mountain underneath pointing up. And there was like a plant on the corner of his table that was like leaning over and there was a couple of branches that were not getting hit by the UVC light.

2:27:45BubblemanWell, I swear to God, every fucking thrip in that room seemed to be on that branch. So another way to potentially deal with insects like this would be to have a plant in the room that is not under UVC light. You put your UVC lights on and I swear every one of those bugs will find that plant and then after a couple days, just take that plant, get rid of it.

2:28:09GmlYeah, I had actually done it. I had done a leaf strip and I didn't. There was a couple of leaves that I missed. And that's where they all went in into that one point. And I think that the one point I just wanted to bring up, like Marcus said, and while Colin was just bringing them up of how hard I find the same thing with thrips, like without using like a systemic nasty pesticide, they are very hard to beat.

2:28:30SpeakerAnd like thrips, thrips are relatively easy to get rid of with biocontrols and predatory insects. I have no trouble getting rid of them at all.

2:28:41GmlI'm sorry. In Canada, with what we're allowed that's registered with Health Canada, it can make it a little bit challenging, I guess I should say.

2:28:50SpeakerMost of my products I got from culprits. Okay.

2:28:53Collin PalmerWhat about nematodes? Can you allow to use that in Canada? Because that's what I've found. Like, I've had no threat problems, honestly, since I created this nematode program that I've been on. And literally, I feel like it's, I feel like I'm invincible.

2:29:07SpeakerIt breaks up the life cycle.

2:29:10Collin PalmerYeah, exactly. Well, they feel it, they feed on it. And then as you, you know, as you, as you go through the... Mulch does it too.

2:29:18DutchAnd it's because it gives the right atmosphere for the nematodes to live. Same with the stradiolalaps or the hypoacus. It's, you know, for them to continue on, they need that right moisture and they eat on the eggs. And so, you know.

2:29:34Collin PalmerYeah. They just eat them right up. But the russets though, different story. I'd love to see you guys really go in on that. Does it hit the aphids?

2:29:43GmlIt's extremely effective against aphids. We actually have some video documentation of it within three days. There's like, because I took kale plants that had hundreds of them. And within three days, there's a trail of them leaving the plant and dying. Within 14 days, over 90% of them are dead on the plant breaking down. But you know what I didn't get to finish saying is with thrips, they have about a 30 day life cycle.

2:30:06GmlAnd We were thinking that, okay, we just disrupted originally them, the ability to reproduce. And then after a month we're wiping them out. But it's like, as soon as we just turned up the light for longer, it's like, it just took them out and quickly. So like, I don't have all the science and all the explanations behind it, but I could tell you that. As soon as we get it up to 15 minute treatments in a room that is big plants, we can wipe them out without any pesticides or predator bugs and they hide.

2:30:33GmlLike when, here's the thing, at five minutes a day, it almost gives you 98% protection, but we can't kill them. They're still, no matter what, you'll still be able to find living ones down below or off to the side. Not really anything that's relevant in your top 30 plus inches, but we couldn't kill them. And it's like the second you just turn it up a little bit longer, it's like it does something and they're just, they can't take it and they're gone.

2:30:56DutchPretty cool, man.

2:30:59BubblemanYeah, it's definitely, I just like the innovation of the cannabis industry from the way we make resin, the way we press resin, the way we inhale resin, the way we grow resin, the way we prevent crop loss. It's just, it puts a smile on my face. I'm not going to lie.

2:31:14SpeakerI always called myself a resin breeder.

2:31:18BubblemanYeah, well, you were a resin breeder.

2:31:24BubblemanA trichome farmer. Remember trichome farmer? Anyone? Yeah, I do. Is he still around? I think he's in Switzerland, in Zurich. He's been there for quite a while. I remember him just being like, oh, my parents are Swiss. I can get a Swiss passport. And I was like, that's cool. And then like six months later, he's like, I'm moving to Switzerland. And for a while, everyone was going to Switzerland.

2:31:46BubblemanSo it was cool, you know, in the early Breeders Steve days. And so I'd visit him all the time when I went to Zurich. Hey, welcome back, Etienne.

2:31:54Etienne FontanDude, Switzerland's going off. I mean, they're on their 10th. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:32:17Etienne FontanThey never do. They're doing it in a way that those who are paying attention are really going, whoa, because that's what Germany is going to do. As I stated, Switzerland's in their 10th trial, right? So they've had small series of trial back then. They started off with hemp and pharmacies, remember, way back in the 90s? Well, that's where it started. And so now... Germany, I think, will just go that same path.

2:32:44SpeakerIn Switzerland, they actually started with pillows.

2:32:48Etienne FontanYes, correct. Correct. I sit corrected.

2:32:52BubblemanI remember the pillows, 2001, 2002. I'd roll around with Steve and we'd throw like a couple of kilos into a pillowcase and he'd like staple it. And then we'd go to like these shops in the southern, you know, area of Switzerland in the Italian area and meet these different shop owners that would buy the kilos in the pillowcase and then open the pillowcase and then put it in smaller pillowcases like eighths and quarters and it was uh yeah the Swiss were going off back then people were growing football field size crops like all over Switzerland most of it was rotting and people were selling clones up the yin yang Oh my God, Shanti Baba was selling like 30,000 clones a day.

2:33:38BubblemanI remember him being in a silo with a train that came in and out of it. And he was on like the Ticino News. And I remember seeing him on there going, wow, this guy's fucking kind of crazy. And at the time, he had just had a daughter, I had just had a daughter, and Breeder Steve had just had a daughter. They were all born within like 13 or 15 days of one another in 2001, April, March timeline.

2:34:06BubblemanAnd so I said to him, I said, dude, I'd love to, you know, we should all go and get together, you, me, and Steve, like we all just had daughters type of thing. And Shanti was like, oh, Steve's kind of a heat score. And then like two days later, I saw Shanti Baba on the TV with a mountain of weed behind him with like train silo, train coming in and out of the silo.

2:34:25BubblemanI was like, like, dude, that is a heat score.

2:34:30SpeakerHoly shit. I love the area, Lake Lugano there.

2:34:35BubblemanOh, it's amazing. Lago Lugano. Yeah, beautiful.

2:34:38SpeakerWe stayed at the best hotel on the lake. I've been there.

2:34:42BubblemanThe presidential one.

2:34:44SpeakerI loved it. It was really, really nice.

2:34:47BubblemanI rented George Bush's suite in that hotel. Yeah, you did.

2:34:54SpeakerWhat kind of a bud is that behind you, Colin?

2:34:58Collin PalmerOh, so this is the New York City garlic, man. This is a cross I made in Brooklyn in around 2010 to 2012. I worked it. It's the garlic bud.

2:35:15SpeakerOnly garlic bud was apparent.

2:35:19Collin PalmerNo, so garlic bud times NL5 Thai. Or no, it was Skunk one tie and I'll times NL five. I'm sorry. Which was yours, Sam. Had to have been.

2:35:35SpeakerIt looks a bit hazy.

2:35:38Collin PalmerUm, it's, it's not actually, it's a very indica forward varietal. That's a lower that I just thought was really interesting that it, that much resin was growing off of the, the stock or the stem off of it.

2:35:51SpeakerYeah, but the heads on it are really small compared to the heads on the flowers.

2:35:58Collin PalmerUh, yeah, it is, but it's, uh, it's a very good yielder. It yields around four to 5% for washing. So it's been a keep.

2:36:08SpeakerIt just looked pretty. Looked a bit like Purple Haze, I remember, from the early 70s in that photo.

2:36:18Collin PalmerLet me see. I have a flower shot of it too. So there's the flower. You see that?

2:36:27SpeakerThat looks quite different.

2:36:29Collin PalmerYeah. So that was a lower. See, it's interesting how light plays a role.

2:36:36BubblemanIt's even like the photo was kind of reminiscent with the black background. The first one you had on almost like there were these playing cards back in the day with Cambodia and like all these different cultivars. And there was a haze one that was a similar picture. It was very like just I saw what Sam was seeing when he mentioned it.

2:36:57Collin PalmerYou know, it's funny about that image. That was such an inspiration when I first saw that image. I think that was Ed Rosenthal shot that or Mel Frank, one of the two. It's either Mel or Ed. And that image, I think, yeah, this composition, again, history, right? And influence. It's funny you bring that up because I wrote to him.

2:37:23SpeakerI gave Mel Frank those hayseeds.

2:37:27Collin PalmerI wrote to Mel and I told him, I was like, when he did an exhibition in New York and I went and I just was like, look, I had him sign the book that I've had since I was a young guy, really young kid. So those were your seeds and your varietals, huh? So beautiful.

2:37:46SpeakerOne of the five varieties was Original Haze, which was bred by two friends, well, really primarily one friend of mine in Santa Cruz, California.

2:37:57Collin PalmerCool. Yeah, it's a cool, it's a great variety of this one. I really enjoy it. We've got...

2:38:09DutchTotally random, Sam, do you know anything about the Pink Lemonade? From Santa Cruz.

2:38:16SpeakerI know nothing about it. So many varieties have used my varieties as foundations or part of, and I know nothing of pink lemonade. But unless somebody brings it to me, I don't go out and look for other. I have so many fucking varieties. I'll never be able to grow them all the rest of my life. What about Calio? Sam? Well, that came from two growers. Well, actually, one grower bred it in Northern California.

2:38:52SpeakerI got it from him in Sevastopol at one of the Hashish festivals that was going on pre the high times. And it won. What was really important in those ones were bag look and it had it. And I liked it because it was quite citrusy. And that's what attracted me to it. And he gave me permission to run with it and reproduce and sell the seeds. I gave him skunk and hay seeds in exchange.

2:39:36Collin PalmerI remember the Callio distinctly on the forums, the A77 cut that came with like a Blue Widow cut that I got, an NL5 Crippy cut, and a couple other things, I think a Chemdog cut.

2:39:50BubblemanIt was sure a nice orange smell.

2:39:53Collin PalmerYeah, it was like the most unique out of all of them, to be honest. It made the biggest impression on me at that age.

2:39:59SpeakerWhat was interesting with California Orange was it made... Time Skunk was a hybrid that I produced millions of them, but of those seeds. That's what was selected for the, I forget the name of it now. I'm sorry. Tangy? Yeah, Tangy. Correct. Yes.

2:40:27Collin PalmerYeah. Yep. Yeah. That's another amazing one. It has unique faculty.

2:40:33SpeakerI like Tangy a lot.

2:40:35Collin PalmerYeah, it's slightly different than the Calio. It's really cool. It's got a different. It's more, even more citrusy. What are you holding up there, Brian? Are you holding up some Tangy? Or something similar? That didn't look like Tangy.

2:40:50Bryan Best Friend FarmsNo Tangy here. That was a GMO crossed with my gas mask. A new Fino. It's nice and perped up. It's like a GMO leaner. Try to get it in there.

2:41:03Collin PalmerNice. Yeah, throws tons of halves, leans on the GMO side. GMO's a good half, just a good skunk. Pretty much, yeah.

2:41:15Bryan Best Friend FarmsKind of thinking skunk lines, that's modern day kind of skunk work right there. Yeah.

2:41:22Collin PalmerThat's awesome.

2:41:25BubblemanWe're so lucky to get the flavors that we have access to. You know, it's really quite something that this plant. I mean, think about this. Like, yes, blueberries are amazing. They taste like blueberries and bananas are amazing. They taste like bananas. And yeah, there's different cultivars and you can kind of get different kind of blueberry flavors, but you pretty much always know it's a blueberry. But cannabis just has these unbelievable novel flavor profiles that seemingly have an endless pit Thank you so much for joining us.

2:42:20BubblemanPerfume in the air. And I didn't see it for years and years and years. I knew a great gardener had some cuts, but they just they just never seemed to come out the way I remembered the pure Renee being. And someone gave me a jar when I was in Toronto last for Frenchies high tea. And someone gave me a jar called honeydew. 90 micron specific rosin. And I actually have this jar.

2:42:45BubblemanIt's almost empty and I leave it just slightly cracked. So the lid's still on it, but it's just like half a turn opened and it just reeks next to my bed all through the night when I'm smelling. It just smells like dank under my nose. It's we used to call it pot to get you busted. Truly, it got a lot of people in trouble that that flower and it translated all the way through to the hash.

2:43:10BubblemanIn a way that a lot of water hash cultivars in the early days just did not. This was like some special, special flavor profile that just ranked so deeply. I remember having like a tiny fan leaf that broke off a bud, just a little, little piece. And it fell behind my, in my old office, it fell behind my bookshelf. And every time I'd walk into my office out of the kitchen or into the kitchen from my office, I'd catch a whiff of this.

2:43:38BubblemanAnd one day I just finally was like, I got down on my hands and knees and I just started looking everywhere. And my wife thought I was insane. She's like, I don't smell it. I don't smell it. And I found that little leaf and I remember holding it up and not really being able to smell it. But then I crushed it dry in my fingers. And it was like it smelled like better than someone's half pound of their weed.

2:43:58BubblemanThat was like under your nose. And I'm not even making that up. Like this weed, it got people kicked out of hotels. It got people busted at roadblocks. It was really, you know, it was very problematic flower for prohibition. I will say that.

2:44:15BubblemanGood old Renee.

2:44:17Etienne FontanI really kind of wish each, because I thought of each one of you because I was in a garden with, you know, 500 varieties from 33 different countries. Jesus. And not only that, we were allowed to go rub them and smell them. We were allowed to farm them. We were just allowed to picture them. They already did their research. So this was open. And a third of those were type one.

2:44:39BubblemanDid they ask you, Etienne, as a bald man, why you had a hair straightener in the field? No.

2:44:50Etienne FontanNo, but, you know, hands sometimes work better than, you know, than hair straighteners. You know what I'm saying? Plus, I'd need a really long extension cord, you know.

2:45:03SpeakerHow long do you think it would take them to evaluate 500 different plants?

2:45:08Etienne FontanWell, they've already done, I mean, they've been doing this.

2:45:10SpeakerNo, but how long did it take them to do that?

2:45:13Etienne FontanOh, some of those, most of them were in the ground in, you know, April, May, you know, some were even in June. So they were three acres, so there's different plots, you know, they were doing some density.

2:45:27SpeakerI understand.

2:45:29Etienne FontanBut all those seem to have been all grown in that one particular field that we photographed all at the same time. So there was a lot. Again, I've never seen so many expressions of males in my life in one location ever. On top of that, every time we walked through, puffs went everywhere. And then when we'd walk by other plants, just this, I recorded just the set here.

2:45:51Etienne FontanThis is the sounds of just the seeds falling. Falling here. I actually have the audio. I actually did it. I did it as a voice memo to get it as

2:46:03BubblemanThis is high-level geekery here. He's going to give us the audio for the cannabis seeds falling out of the hemp plants.

2:46:08SpeakerOh, high-level geekery is when I identify what the varieties are.

2:46:13Etienne FontanBy the sound of those seeds hitting down, right? Yeah, because that's Sam for you, ladies and gentlemen. All right, here, let me get this.

2:46:21BubblemanFuck, dude, he's not even lying. That's the best part.

2:46:23Etienne FontanOh, that's a funny thing.

2:46:24BubblemanOh, my God, dude, that was funny. Holy shit.

2:46:36BubblemanAll right, we're teeing up the audio here for the Hash Churchers. We've got 328 people watching live.

2:46:42Etienne FontanDid you catch that? That's just what would happen when you would walk by and hit one cola and, you know. Go again. Do it one more time. This time with more feeling.

2:46:56SpeakerGet it back to one.

2:47:08BubblemanI think I heard it.

2:47:10SpeakerI did not hear it.

2:47:11BubblemanCan't hear it either. I got it all up. Let's do it. Oh, it is muted now.

2:47:25Etienne FontanBecause it's doing the wrong speaker.

2:47:29SpeakerDon't worry about it. We'll live. But I just wanted to mention I had a variety which I collected up in Kashmir at I think it was 9 or 11,000 feet. And what was unusual about it was if you touched the plant, the seeds were like spring loaded in the flower buds and they would shoot out.

2:48:03BubblemanThat's awesome. I've seen plants that do that before, not necessarily cannabis plants, but I've definitely seen nature shows where they show these like seed plants that like explode the seed and fire that thing out. It's definitely a mechanism of nature that works for us.

2:48:19SpeakerIt's my smallest variety, more than 800 seeds to one gram.

2:48:25BubblemanOh, wow. Is that like the, is that Nepali or something?

2:48:30SpeakerNo, it's from cashmere. Cashmere, right, right. Pelgam.

2:48:35BubblemanYeah, those tiny, tiny little ones. And then you put them next to the giant Chinese ones. Are those the two?

2:48:42SpeakerYeah, exactly, which are 12 to the gram.

2:48:46Bubbleman12 to the gram versus 800 to the gram. Go ahead, ATN.

2:48:49Etienne FontanI have my audio fixed, so now it's set to my microphone. It should be able to hear now. Whoops.

2:48:57Etienne FontanUh-oh. I hit record, sorry. Seat drop.

2:49:10Etienne FontanThat's what it would sound like. Did you catch that?

2:49:13SpeakerTo me, it sounded like the sound of one hand clapping.

2:49:20Etienne FontanMojave, I was telling that was the sound every time we walked by certain branches.

2:49:25SpeakerAnd if you guys, if the audio, if you had the actual audio file and heard it, it almost sounds kind of like a rain stick. It's just

2:49:33SpeakerIt's really groovy. And it was far out though, because they had, they were one of the big things that they're looking at, because there's a lot of seed varieties in there, grain varieties, is fracturing rates, which is how, you know, when the bract releases the seed and it just falls to the ground. And the real high rate of fracturing, even among seed varieties. So the efficiency of holding onto those seeds, obviously for grain harvest is really important.

2:49:57SpeakerSo that was one interesting trial that they were doing or some of the interesting research.

2:50:02Etienne FontanThere were only a handful of purple flowers, which I was surprised by because we're up in northern mid-New York. I was expecting a little more purpling in some areas. But I was also saying, Mojave, it was fun to walk through because... Between you and Rob, you knew a lot of the, you know, nasal expressions, what you were smelling or at least origins of, you know, this one definitely smelled equatorial.

2:50:29Etienne FontanThis one had more African notes. This one Arabian notes. It was rather just fascinating, just given the sense since we were able to, you know, put our hands on the plants and smell them. Don't you agree, Mojave?

2:50:56SpeakerYeah, certainly. And even at one point, I remember when we came across one that was just straight bubble gum. I was like, no, that's not bubble gummy. That's bubble gum. You know, I remember 30% were type ones and they got them from all different places. So yeah. And there was one, the purple variety that ATN found, which was actually one of the most straight up, just like market friendly, like sitting in the middle of everything you could Cut that down and trim it and hang it and it, you know, look like bug.

2:51:24SpeakerBut it had straight like purple kush, NorCal, like flashback. It's like Rob smelled it right away. He's like, well, that smells like purple indica. Did they have skunk number one? Oh, I'm sure they did.

2:51:37Etienne FontanI don't know. I didn't give it to them. Yes. We smell varietals that we swore were skunk. Yes. Okay.

2:51:44SpeakerAnd Sam, I'm not 100% up to date on all the acquisition protocols that they had to follow. But I'm assuming they had a pretty wide variety. I know Texas A&M is pretty open to like bringing things in. It's like if things test a lot or not, it's, you know. It's pretty easy to collect the seeds. That's pretty legal now in the U.S. because there's no THC in the seeds.

2:52:11SpeakerCorrect.

2:52:12BubblemanYeah. Yeah. You missed a good one, Mojave, when Etienne was going to play the sound of the seeds. I said, well, that's high level weed geekery right there. And Sam followed it up with like, no, high level weed geekery will be when I identify the cultivars from the sound of the seeds. That's true.

2:52:31SpeakerRight, exactly. Well, you definitely, I'm sure you can identify the origin, right, Sam, just on the, is it? I can tell what part of the field it was grown in which country.

2:52:44Etienne FontanRight? And I mean, yeah, it would have been a joy to actually walk through with you because you would have been in like, yeah, you would have been identifying everything just by either visual or smell.

2:52:56SpeakerRob's pretty damn good at it. Oh, he is. But Javi's not a slouch. Yeah, you know what? And I have this thing where, you know, there's a lot of... Cannabis is hard sometimes because it's so big and so vast. Like, you find little notes of everything in there. And going through all these, you know, feral varieties and all this stuff, like, you just...

2:53:19SpeakerSmell cannabis. There's definitely this ubiquitous note that's there, you know, which is really impressive. But I want to show you guys this one picture of Rob with a feral in an apple field next to the fiber field from this is last year's escape. Which I thought was really interesting because for one, look at the structure of the flower. It was totally different than the fiber next to it.

2:53:45SpeakerIt was just big long stem with a cola on top, like typical high-density hemp. But as soon as that thing went feral, it was back to just being cannabis. And it's like, look, I'm going to branch in candelabra and make this beautiful plant. And it was just sitting a couple hundred feet away from this big fiber field. It was anyway. And the USDA's

2:54:09SpeakerApple trial field, you know, like cannabis is like, yeah, I'm coming in here. I'm going to plop myself right in here. And nice just to see them go, yeah, you're cool. You can stay. And grow some fat buds.

2:54:19BubblemanYeah, exactly. That's awesome. Really nice. I like seeing the pictures, man. That's cool that that's going on right now, that you guys are able to go down and enjoy that and geek out on some flavors. And ATN was saying like 30 plus countries, like hundreds of varieties. That's pretty sweet.

2:54:40Etienne FontanWe'll never see anything like it again.

2:54:42SpeakerAnd now you'll see bigger and better.

2:54:46Etienne FontanExactly.

2:54:50Etienne FontanIt's next step time because, I mean, they're researching with it now and they see the, you know, they see the potential. They definitely see the industrial. That was a great thing was to see quite a few of the industrial players involved in the discussion and not the industrial CBD market. So I know that they were also making, and as I stated, they're weaving their own fabrics. They're talking, of course, about the building materials, etc.

2:55:20Etienne FontanSo they realize the industrial applications, especially, but they still need our help and guidance. So, you know, They want to make sure they do it right, but they're, I think, now overwhelmed by the diversity and now opportunities. There's not many plants that have this type of commercial availability or opportunity from the seed all the way, et cetera. And I don't need to go through the whole Jack Herrera speech, but we've all been there.

2:55:51Etienne FontanThey now, the researchers, the USDA now get it. And now it's going to be an interesting shift because again, now with them growing in these six different areas, soon they're going to have acclimated genetics available in the coming years for you to get from. Currently, they can sell you, the USDA can sell you their germ plasma as long as it's the 0.3% varietal. And hopefully with the rescheduling, that's going to change too.

2:56:20Etienne FontanAnd therefore their whole germplasm, all those varietals that they keep and breed, they will be available to you.

2:56:30SpeakerAnd you got to remember that the USDA 10 years ago had no collection. Had no seeds and they had pretty much destroyed any hemp work that they had over the last 50, 70 years. Yeah. My biggest concern is that just what ATN said, the direction, there's so many paths they can take. And I feel whatever path organizations like the USDA take are kind of going to dictate the terms around cannabis in the future.

2:57:05SpeakerBecause they could easily narrow what that definition is and say, oh, for microbial reasons or for, you know, we don't want too much of this compound in there and then just classify camp and this cannabis in this narrow lane and then say, and we've developed these amazing varieties, which we've also patented and we have been working with collaboration with Cornell and such and such. industry side and next thing you know it's red delicious apples and everyone's just like hey these are the five varieties that grow well for the farmers and harvest well and this and that and all the other ones have to go through a little bit of a rigorous path to get there and maybe they're legal and it's not about making it legal or not but just the sheer The sheer strength and momentum that a USDA type can like, clearly they display.

2:57:55SpeakerIn the EU, you cannot legally grow and sell non-registered EU varieties of corn or tomatoes. I mean, you can grow them for your own personal use, but you can't sell them commercially.

2:58:12SpeakerAnd Sam, one of the things that they highlighted at length were the grain and fiber varieties that were developed by Cornell, which had amazing resistance. And, you know, there was it was a little bit of an advertisement there, which is obviously that's part of the part of the thing you want to move. You want to push things forward. But you see that that's that's just the way it works.

2:58:33SpeakerThat's the way UC Davis works and viticulture and That's the way ag and government and industry work with all the other crops. So I'm totally cool with it. If you look at grapes, it has to be certified virus free, etc, etc, etc. And there's no reason why cannabis can't become that. Yeah, and that field highlighted that in a big way because it was kind of a weird just like, let's just see this thing happen to me.

2:59:05SpeakerThat's because it clearly wasn't a breeding experiment. Did they check their stuff for how blatant that thyroid before they grew it? No, I don't believe so. It was all from seed, but they're collecting. It could all be transmitted by pollen, you know. 100%, dude, that whole valley is just filled with everything that's there. But one of the far out things I was going to mention is that when you walk in a field of 500 different accessions of all different types, and it's a lot of pest pressures, a lot of pathogen pressure, and then all of a sudden you see a few plants that are just sitting there, boom, green, healthy, flowers, no bugs, no mold.

2:59:43SpeakerAnd you realize, like, this is selective pressure. Like, this is the whole point. It's like, well, you got to pick the right plants. And, you know, so. Paul and that might have hot plate and thyroid. Sure, sure. I just hope the plants they pick get as high. That's my only thing, you know.

3:00:01BubblemanWhat he's. I also hope that.

3:00:04Collin PalmerI think you're right, Mojave. I think there, you know, there's a narrative and sometimes the culture behind science gets in the way, you know, like there's a, there's an ego there, you know, that's, that's hidden behind a lot of that, where the narrative is, I'm going to put my name on it and it's going to be this and we're the best at that. The interesting thing I think is that there's so much room here and so much time for that to even begin to happen that I commend them for trying to do what they're doing.

3:00:36Collin PalmerBut to your point, it's a mess of ideas together right now, to your point. And how do you really grab onto any one of them to really make it meaningful? Like how do you be graded at something when you're just barely doing it all at once? So I think to your point, there's a lot of room there, but I think it is dangerous when you want to distill it all the way down to I think we've talked about this together, even with Rob when I asked you guys, what would happen if we had Sativa become valuable again?

3:01:06Collin PalmerHow do you capture the 26 weeks or the extra 12 weeks that you're putting into it that could ensue to make that make sense at scale? And the simple answer was turn back time, right? And it's unfortunate, but we have an opportunity here to learn and push this thing forward. But There's just so much room, man. Like, I don't know. I look at the genome sequencing as like this, this amazing thing that we just it's not really it's not broken down and compartmentalized enough for us to use them as tools yet.

3:01:42Collin PalmerIt's still very conceptual.

3:01:44SpeakerSo it's really quantity or quality. And quality was always number one, two, and three for me. I mean, quantity, there's lots of ways to grow it faster, cheaper, you know, more, but quality should be the clarion call.

3:02:07Collin PalmerRight. Well, I look at like Fletch, right? He's a good example of someone who focuses on quality. He's a super fan of great flavor profiles and really selects towards things I think that have proven to become really good growing plants in commercial settings. Like Rainbow Belt's number one is a great hasher and you can grow that all day in commercial settings. Um, so more of that, I think is what I see is needed.

3:02:37Collin PalmerI agree, you know, um, but instilled in perhaps, um, you know, a bigger, broader conversation about like, what's great. Well, you know, can we use it for grain? Like, like Mojave's talked about, you know?

3:02:52BubblemanI think it's why it's important that people also always like, yes, there's an industry and the industry will be driven by what the people want. And as the pool of people changes and they're less caring of quality and all of these other things, well, it will become sort of once again, our job to make sure that the people who really are all about quality and purity and exceptional cannabis sort of protect that the best they can, because that's probably, you know, there's probably not going to be any 26 week hazers that are like hitting the shelves, you know, consistently in the future when most people are like, pretty stoked on floor sweeping sprayed with distillate and botanical turps and sold at a gas station.

3:03:36BubblemanAnd you can't fight that. It's like, and I'm not making, I'm not like mocking it or belittling it. I'm saying it's the majority. It's like here we are trying to sell everyone a Rolls Royce and they're pretty happy driving around in a Prius.

3:03:49SpeakerWell, there's it's like wine or anything else. I mean, there are people who are happy with they can buy at 7-Eleven, you know, potato chips, ice cream and whatever variety of distillate they can get. But yeah, there's also people who care and know and there will always be a minority market of Very, very, very, very top quality. Whether the price structure is ridiculously high or not is a separate issue.

3:04:22SpeakerBut there will be quality. And that's all I'm interested in. And I think that's all you're really interested in, Marcus.

3:04:33BubblemanYeah, it's true.

3:04:36SpeakerWell, there's a lot of premium. There's a big span of what premium products can be for other commodities. And we don't have that in cannabis. And you guys mentioned that, I think, in a couple weeks. We're talking about the best producers competing with the worst in a really close range of value. And when Sam mentioned wine, the first thing I thought of is like, Like ice wine, like dessert wine where like you grow it and they let botrytis infect the bunch and it slowly dehydrates the grape and then you press it and then like you sell it for 100 bucks a bottle because it's just really hard and really amazing.

3:05:11SpeakerBut it's a story that you tell with all those other products more than the product itself. Well, I hope you're not selling weed like that, Bobby. No, but you could sell, you know, you could sell products. Yeah, we could. I do. I really do think we could. And I went just to what, to Colin's point about sativas and narrowly varieties and that have that unique chemistry is that once you sell that story to that consumer and then they experience it, if they can afford it, which is the big fucked up part, like if you can afford it, then you do go back.

3:05:42SpeakerAnd that's what wine has proven because a $500 bottle of wine has the exact same amount of ethanol as a $2 bottle of wine. But people, the experience and the story and the narrative behind it is so sexy that people can't resist it, you know. And that's why Napa exists. And that's why Bordeaux exists. It's not because of the drugs that they provide.

3:06:03BubblemanI think a lot of the passion gets lost in the trying to get the dollar for your cannabis. I think that I'm glad that, you know, what exists is sort of the roots of where Wade comes from in the like, you know, when you have an opportunity and you're not put in a commercial grow and you're not like handcuffed under regulations and HR and QA and all of these things, but instead you're like, oh, I'm just growing some flower that happens to be incredible medicine.

3:06:34BubblemanFor sick children or whatever. Now, all of a sudden, that passion has a place to really expand and be fed by something that's just so much more real than, oh, my company did like 3.2 million last year. We're on the right. You know, we've got the good margins. And I get that that's a part of it. I'm a part of that. I just know that I never felt better about cannabis than when I was philanthropying, when I was offering philanthropy.

3:06:59BubblemanTo the BC Compassion Club and to Hillary Black and it always like I didn't need to like talk about it or have people know about it. It just made me feel so good that I look forward to getting some more of that back in my life in the upcoming years with my relationship with cannabis.

3:07:21Bryan Best Friend FarmsI think it's interesting where cannabis is seeming like such a sponge in the environment in a way and a sponge to the soil with what it contains to uptake it. And I think, well, something I'm noticing come around for information where I'm still medical here for 18 years in a row and now in the main here for seven that I'm hearing some medical patients come back and kind of, you know, in curiosity of, you Thank you for joining us.

3:08:10Bryan Best Friend FarmsThank you so much for joining us.

3:08:38Bryan Best Friend FarmsMake it broad and narrow it down into a certain type this type of time and definitely package it up like you know and that is valid in terms of the market but then there's also I think you know beyond entourage effect where the terpenes come in but the entourage the deep entourage which is How was it produced? Why? Where? What kind of water? Water is so huge.

3:09:00Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo it's like clean water first is so huge where even into the grape world and, you know, into the terroir where you think like municipality grows, not knocking them, but it's definitely a municipality water source. You know, and in terms of like how they treat it would actually kill a lot of the biology into the plant and not knocking it either, but it's just a different form, a different source.

3:09:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo I think when we're, you know, talk about like the niche, you know, recipients too, I would guess it's probably like 10% if that, but it seems an awareness is growing is what I would say too.

3:09:36BubblemanFor sure. I mean, listen, people don't know when they get into cannabis, how deep the rabbit hole goes. And there are more and more people who have jumped down that rabbit hole. Maybe not as deep as, as many of you on the panel, but Hey, if you're in the rabbit hole, all it takes is I wonder how much deeper this goes. You know, you ask yourself that question and then you can't escape it.

3:09:57BubblemanYou're like, well, I'm going to have to find out. I've never found the bottom of the cannabis rabbit hole. It just seems to continue to inspire me and blow me away on a daily basis and just feel grateful for that.

3:10:15SpeakerYeah, just ask the mushroom eating caterpillar as well along the way. Right, exactly.

3:10:21BubblemanJust ask me while I'm eating mushrooms, I'll tell you.

3:10:24Etienne FontanWe saw cannabis eating caterpillars along the way. Oh, I bet you did. Rob's down at the caterpillar level. I had a picture of him. He's all just down. He's got his incredible. That's awesome. Camera.

3:10:49BubblemanWell, we still have 300 plus people watching in the room. It's amazing that people will hang out for three and four hours and listen to us blabber on about our love of cannabis. Sam's been on point today. Borderline stand-up comedian had me rolling in my chair a couple of times. Like, holy shit, dude. One-liner is just like...

3:11:11SpeakerI just can't help myself. I think of it and I gotta squirt it out there.

3:11:18BubblemanI'm telling you, dude, I'm glad that you do. Never, never stop being you. We appreciate it. Some funny shit.

3:11:27Etienne FontanWe thought of you all the time there this week, Sam, not going to deny because, you know, your your imprint was all over that garden, whether you like it or not. It was definitely represented there. And yes, you could definitely smell the foundations throughout. So I just want to say on behalf of society and mankind and other animals, thank you for all your decades of hard work regarding cannabis because it is uh i know you're at the twilight and at the uh the later part of things but the decades of foundations that you have laid uh are coming to a fruition that i hope you were able to live another 20 years to see But Rob and I had that discussion.

3:12:17SpeakerI hope so too, but I have no idea and I'm pretty fearless. I'm going to continue on until I stop continuing.

3:12:29BubblemanI just wanted to thank you again. Yeah, well, that's a big part of Hash Church is to be able to get these elder OG stories and their perspective. And, you know, like that's one of the main reasons I keep it going right now are for you guys. Because it's so important, you know, and just having Soma come in, it kind of helped me realize that, kind of like, oh yeah, like I gotta ask these guys some questions.

3:12:54BubblemanI gotta get into it. I gotta open them up and get some of these stories. I loved your origin story today, Wade. I was like chuckling away in my, In my mind, just picturing you as like the Boy Scout leader guy, like teaching kids to swim. Like, of course you were empathetic and compassionate even in your younger years. And then to have like the, whatever they were called, the other Boy Scout dudes like turn you on to herb is like, that's just, that's some, that's an Americana story right there.

3:13:25BubblemanIt was good Jamaican. It was good Jamaican. Oh my God. Thank you for adding that. I didn't even think to ask. My God, that shit was probably like 400 bucks a pound back then.

3:13:39SpeakerBut you remember their motto, always be prepared.

3:13:45BubblemanYou know, I'll tell you something about Jamaican. It's more often than not that you hear the term good in front of it. It's like, oh yeah, that was like the Jamaican hash. was really strong hash that gum that they would collect off the hammers and sledgehammers from smuggling the weed like that was strong hash i smoked a lot of the other hash as well and it just wasn't as strong that jamaican hash was like Three times stronger than hash that I'd smoked from Lebanon or Morocco or Afghanistan.

3:14:22BubblemanKeep in mind, I only smoked it in the 80s. I didn't get to smoke it in the 60s or the 70s.

3:14:27SpeakerWell, we smoked Jamaican hash that we made water processing in Negro.

3:14:36BubblemanYes.

3:14:37SpeakerAnd that stuff was pretty darn good.

3:14:39BubblemanWell, I knew, listen, you won't even realize how good that stuff was because it was you. But I had been hanging out and knowing you for a while and had never seen you smoke anyone else's hashes except your own. And that was the first hash that I ever had that you were like, hmm. Yeah, that was from the doctor up on that crazy mountainside. The guy had like seven foot long dreads and they called him Geronimo because he drove his car like 120 kilometers an hour through like Negril through the small like street.

3:15:11BubblemanHe'd just be like ripping and they'd be like Geronimo as he ripped by. So every Jamaican has like nine nicknames and The doctor was no different. And that was like a blueberry skunk or something. And it was so nice. That was seriously strong. Six star full melt bubble hash. And Sam actually smoked it. So I was like, holy shit. I felt like I found something and made something that is at least on par with what he's currently smoking.

3:15:41BubblemanThat was like a big moment for me.

3:15:44SpeakerI did like it a lot. And since I was only in Jamaica for a period of time, I wanted to enjoy it while I could.

3:15:53BubblemanAbsolutely. Well, as we did. Sam, another great move that Sam did in Jamaica while we were there, we rented this big house on the water. And he goes out and there's like the big trucks are delivering shit to the stores in the morning. And he just goes out right in front of the store owner. And buys like cases of ting from the drink guy. Like, I just thought that was so Jamaican as well in the sense that like, dude, the store owners, could you imagine trying to pull that off in New York?

3:16:24BubblemanLike the store owners sitting right there, his deliveries are coming in and you're just going to wholesale buy like a schwack of whatever it is. That was awesome.

3:16:33SpeakerI like ting.

3:16:36BubblemanYeah. Yeah. I like ting too. It's like a nice little beverage.

3:16:40Etienne FontanThe only problem I have with what I know you guys are talking about the Boy Scouts, I have nothing against them, although I was kicked out because I didn't I didn't like our first name. I was a wee blow. Starting off as a wee blow is I think is just a terrible thing for a kid to experience as a name, especially societally giving the names that are out there.

3:16:59Etienne FontanI know it's Native American and you're supposed to have that, which means they just stole that from, you know, cultural appropriation. And but I'm glad you went that route, Wade. They kicked me out because I couldn't build a good boat. I did the matchstick raft. I didn't make a boat, and therefore I was. And they kicked you out for that. No, we moved. So it was no longer around.

3:17:24Etienne FontanBut as a child, having the uniform, because I wore my Boy Scout uniform, I think in my first grade class picture, you know, we were all allowed to wear our Boy Scout outfits to wear. And I still have it somewhere. And a little blue hat and a little scarf and everything. And it was such a big thing. And I have to leave that. And that was a, yeah, an early trauma.

3:17:46SpeakerJust, I actually, I smoked weed with my Cub Scouts den mom. When I was, like, way too young to smoke weed.

3:17:56Etienne FontanYeah, and apparently I was in the wrong tribe, too. Jesus Christ.

3:18:00SpeakerWell, no, it wasn't quite that simple. I was actually in L.A. at that point, and she volunteered. And, like, I show up at the school, and she's the den mom. And I walk in there, and I'm like, holy shit, I know her through my family. And, like, we puffed, and... Yeah, so I never made it to Boy Scouts either. And she was never a den mom ever again either.

3:18:26SpeakerJust puffing with all the kids. Yeah, she became your dealer, right? I liked the Boy Scouts when I joined it. But what I found out was that they had all these rules that were different than the rules I believed in. So after a few months, I quit.

3:18:47Etienne FontanNo Eagle Scout for Dave. Nope.

3:18:52BubblemanNot happening. I never did it. I think I don't even know if it was what it was called here in Canada. Maybe it was Boy Scouts. I don't know. I just never did it. I did the, you know what? I did two of the three most likely to be molested while living in the prairies in the 70s, which was like hockey coach, Sunday school, but I skipped the Boy Scouts.

3:19:16BubblemanSo, and I'm not trying to throw those institutions under the bus. You just know that wherever young kids are, that's where those sickos will sort of find themselves. And so I had great hockey coaches. I don't remember the priests too much. I wasn't into religion much. I just kind of felt like it wasn't too real for me. But I loved my hockey coaches. They were like mentors and awesome dudes and just like leading the way for young kids to, you know, to become better young men kind of thing.

3:19:42BubblemanAnd so I do, I do got to give a shout out to all my coaches.

3:19:48Etienne FontanThey must have been good coaches because you have all your teeth.

3:19:52BubblemanExactly. Exactly. They were good coaches for sure. So did you almost spit your drink out on that one, Mojave, when I said that?

3:20:05SpeakerYou're muted, but I get the idea.

3:20:07BubblemanOh, geez.

3:20:14BubblemanOh my goodness, just mellow today. Really nice to hear all everyone's stories and have Soma visit. It's been too long since I saw Soma. That was pretty awesome to have him in here telling stories and kind of inspired me to get some out of Wade. Get some out of Sam. Sam always tells the best stories too. It's just, you know, you guys have so many that I feel that what the real trick is, is A, reading the chat and asking the questions that people have.

3:20:42BubblemanBecause it's sometimes you feel like you know someone, you stop asking them questions. And in fact, there's tons I don't know about you guys. So we'll have to get more insightful over the... The next couple of months and get more stories out of you guys for sure because it's important for people to hear them and to experience them and you know you guys are like uh you're like the Sunday uh friends of like thousands of people that are just you know what they four or five thousand people watch this every week and uh yeah we're we're the ones sharing the stories to to keep them entertained so I always try to ask their questions I know Etienne's in there often a lot as well and uh I wish I told Soma about it because there was tons of people asking Soma about stuff that I didn't really get to ask that I normally would have.

3:21:33BubblemanMan, I still got a broken arm. I'm just not using the sling anymore.

3:21:36Etienne FontanBut yeah, I was kind of wondering what are you? Because CBD supposedly helps with, you know, bones reparations, right? So what are you puffing on for your pain? I'm just really curious, because I know you've got a vast stash. And so you've been dealing with pain. So maybe it helps some people with some pointers and directions.

3:21:55BubblemanYeah, I mean, honestly, I puff all of my rosins and hashes that I have. I've got all sorts of nice full mouth hashes that I've gotten given to me from different people. But I will say the top thing I've done for pain almost since the day I broke it has been edibles. And just I usually take like 10 milligrams when I wake up. And if it's hurting, I'll, you know, eat another one, maybe even another one.

3:22:17BubblemanNo more than 50 or 60 milligrams in a day. I find when I take a 10 milligram or a 20, which I do either in the morning or late at night, and then have a puff, I get just brought into an absolutely beautiful place of like, it just almost instantly reduces my inflammation to the point where it's below threshold and it's not annoying me or, you know, the bane of my existence, like the thing that I have to be focused on.

3:22:44BubblemanThat's kind of the way I see cannabis and pain relief is that you're just you're just trying to get inflammation down below the threshold. So it's not the pure focus of your day. I also find when I do that at night, it allows me to get into like a deep like theta level sleep where healing. Thank you so much.

3:23:24BubblemanFrom White Rabbit, who's been hooking me up with just these amazing gummies. They're all kind of just healthy gummies. They're not full of sugar. He sweetens them with organic brown rice syrup. And they're just they're the tasty tasties, just 10 millis at a time. But otherwise, the hash, I've been really enjoying hash lately, more so than like all day today. I puffed Piatella, which I've now finished.

3:23:49BubblemanI think I have. The tiniest little bit of the Piatella that my homie Mark Hallett gave me. And if you guys remember Mark, he's the trichome farmer guy. He was the guy that sent me clones in these. These were the clone holders that he sent me the clones in. So with like LED lights inside so they didn't like, you know, change flower or whatnot. But like, can you imagine these are what he sent me like some clones in?

3:24:27BubblemanLike super sick tattoo art, bro.

3:24:31Etienne FontanNever had a clone delivery like that. It's usually just I get a tray with it. That's about it. Maybe a dome, maybe a dome.

3:24:41BubblemanWell, I'll tell you, I couldn't throw them out, even though they're just PVC pipes. I just couldn't throw them out because, and of course, okay, Mark, the thing that I should have probably mentioned first, how he first reached out to me was he wanted to name one of his cultivars, the Hash Church. So he's the gentleman that bred the hash church. So I'm sure if any of you ever wanted to get some hash church seeds, Mark would be more than willing to help you out there.

3:25:10BubblemanIt was one that was just absolutely coated in resin, like beyond coated. It was absolutely absurd how covered in resin this plant was. Yeah, I got some hash church and he's done a bunch of other different cultivars. And so it was his pietella that I've been puffing. And even crazier is he's from Ontario. I've only met him one time. We met him with Grandmaster LED at the Grow Up event last, this couple of months ago.

3:25:39BubblemanBut he's now in Whistler, just up the road from me. And I'm actually going to have a dinner with him and his wife and my wife tonight. They're coming in after hash church and we're going to hang out and actually... I should probably save a few rips of this Piatella for him as it was a very generous gift. And yeah, when he sent me, when he said he wanted to make Hash Church, he sent me the picture of it.

3:26:02BubblemanAnd I was like, you know, worried that it was maybe like that, those hooked trichomes that like look like trichomes, but aren't. And it's not a washer at all. And so he actually sent me a bag of like the smalls and trim of I was like, we'll run some. And I ran it into bubble and I photographed it and it was absolutely beautiful hash. And so, yeah, shout out to Mark for just hooking it up and being an all around cool guy.

3:26:31BubblemanPeople you meet in this cannabis world.

3:26:34Etienne FontanSam, what's the most exotic thing you've received clones in? Uh...

3:26:43SpeakerJust small plastic objects without lights, although I certainly know people who have transported clones that they later gave me that did have LED lights in them. But, no, I...

3:27:04SpeakerMostly I grow from seed, to be honest. But yeah, I've gotten a lot of very interesting clones. And yeah, I don't have any clones anymore. All I got is seeds.

3:27:22Etienne FontanYou're muted, Etienne. Best Friend Farms, what's the most exotic thing you ever got clones in?

3:27:31Bryan Best Friend FarmsReceived in. Oh, exotic. Jeez. I think it was a red solo cup.

3:27:39Etienne FontanHow exotic?

3:27:40BubblemanI feel like I'm going to win this one.

3:27:42Etienne FontanIf it's like, Oh, you have it hands down. You've got the, the artistic representation that need to go in the museum. Whenever Michael and everybody and Sam all donate their place to a museum that needs to go there too. You know what I'm saying?

3:27:58BubblemanYeah. Well, it shows the level at which Mark is going down this rabbit hole. I love when other people's rabbit hole is like taking an even different twist and turn and go, I'm like, whoa, I never thought to send clones in such beautiful, like, like he just cut the PVC pipe and painted that on there. And like, I don't know, it's just, it's outrageous. I love it.

3:28:27BubblemanI got a question from Mojave by J. Bo Londinium, A-T-G-R-N and P-L-S-N-T. Wow, that's quite a name, bro. Hey, Mojave, loving your work. You got any sage seeds or should I buy Adams instead? I have a sage and sauerkraut, but miss the sage.

3:28:46SpeakerOh man, I never really produced seed for sale ever. I basically, I made, I just made crosses and I gave parents to TH seeds. So all the sage seeds that have ever really been distributed in this world came from TH seeds. I've kept a small personal collection in order to continue breeding. But no, I've really never distributed seeds. So if you get them from TH Seeds and get them from your brand.

3:29:17SpeakerAnd Mojave, even THC Seeds. The first stage they had the clone of was very, very high quality. The second one they have was just not the same. Yeah, man, I know. And honestly, you know, that's an agronomic thing, which was kind of a bummer because when I left Amsterdam, I left, you know, a couple of females and one of them was just amazing. And then one of them was the yielder, the producer, the earlier flower, the whole thing, you know, it's always hard.

3:29:47BubblemanNo, the trickster.

3:29:49SpeakerYeah, you know, so it's just hard. And yeah, preservation then, you know, hey, you guys, tissue culture, banking, genetics, save special plant. I had the sage clone just to grow out. And I liked it really, really a lot. They used to make... Adam used to make those, they were like a little credit card hash covered with plastic. Laminated hash, Sage 2-0. Yes, and I would have really good skunk and we would make a few that were blended, skunk and sage and absolutely wonderful.

3:30:41SpeakerGo ahead. Sorry, two stories I got to tell real quick. Rob, on the last day at the USDA thing, he wore Adam's old TH seeds, drop seeds, not bombs t-shirt. Yeah, I've got one. Which was killer because he just wore it like right out, just boom. So, you know, that was fun. But the other thing, Sam, I have one of the clones. I have the sister clone, not the prize.

3:31:09SpeakerAnd it's 30 plus. No, it's about 30 years old now. And I haven't flowered it in years. And I flowered out one little plant, just one little plant. In the backyard, it was actually just a little trial plant that I threw in my little strawberry patch. And that thing flowered out. I didn't even water it or feed it or anything. And it was just dying. And I went over there and I touched that bud and smelled it.

3:31:31SpeakerAnd I was like, skunk one, for sure. So skunk one. So the original sage, the original sage female that I randomly don't know where it came from, I am now so positive it was hay skunk. And I crossed that to, I crossed that to a African Afghani that I brought from Big Sur. But that original female, the one that was the special one, dude, because it was, it was the melange was in there, right?

3:31:57SpeakerBut then when I took that other one and haven't smelled it for so many years and smelling it again, I haven't smelled it for over 20 years. And that stunk one marker note smell was so strong. When I grew it, it made smaller plants, smaller buds, but super, super high quality. Yeah, the pheno that made the big buds and the pheno that was chunkier, that was the one that had the skunk one side to it.

3:32:25SpeakerSo that's what, yeah, so just anyway, put that, etch that in stone. I'm positive now that the original sage was a skunk one times haze.

3:32:34BubblemanDid you have a second story?

3:32:36SpeakerNo, it was just the first story was Rob's t-shirt. Oh, right. Okay, perfect.

3:32:41BubblemanI'm all baked. I'm like, you did tell two stories, you fucking cooker. Oh, yes. Still 300 people watching live. We might make it till one o'clock today. It's quite possible. Looks like a pretty beautiful day out here on the West Coast. I will say that. I'm going to have to get down to the beach and chill out later on with my... My son, I don't know.

3:33:06DutchLet's ask the question.

3:33:08BubblemanLet's do it.

3:33:09Etienne FontanWhat are you smoking on? What are you smoking on there, people in the head? What are you smoking on, Marcus, Colin, Mojave, Wade? I mean, Wade, we were talking pain, and of course, you're dealing with your cancer and everything else. What's been your kind of cannabis regimen to help with your pain since you went from provider to people in pain to now being on the other end?

3:33:35Etienne FontanWhat lessons have you learned that you could share with us?

3:33:39SpeakerWell, I would echo what Marcus said, edibles. I actually eat a lot more hash than I smoke these days. And I'm loving the different tastes that I find in the preparations that people have provided me. Are you eating THC or THCA? It would be THCA, Sam. Oh, that doesn't get you very high. No, it doesn't. But I'm also eating, for example, one of the preparations that a good friend makes for me is a small capsule, a single lot capsule in sesame oil that has 35 milligrams of THC and 15 milligrams of CBD.

3:34:29SpeakerAnd I take... A couple of those a couple times a day. And that makes things pretty lovely, I gotta say. And then every once in a while, like this morning, I rolled up some cannabis along with some really beautiful hash. It's GMO and something else. And I've been pleasuring myself by actually smoking and inhaling this morning. So yeah, I'm feeling pretty good and chipper. This is my Zittles rosin.

3:35:07SpeakerIf I'm holding it right. You are now. Okay. Right in the middle. It works.

3:35:17Etienne FontanRob likes it. This is Lemon Limes. Let's see. Who's this by? Community Cannabis. Very nice. Very nice. Very tasty resin.

3:35:34SpeakerThis is Asian Fantasy OG times sage. That's pretty killer, I have to say.

3:35:43Etienne FontanAnd I want to dedicate to our cannabis embassy people out there at what works at the UN. They're doing a lot of good work. So we're coming up real soon to try to keep on changing the laws internationally. So much work, everybody.

3:36:06BubblemanI'm hitting the apricot full melt. It's like super red, but it's not really coming through on the camera.

3:36:13Collin PalmerIt's great. I have some blueberry banana times banana OG.

3:36:20SpeakerSuper good.

3:36:25Bryan Best Friend FarmsI got some Piatella here for some cured melt. That's my gas mask right there. Oh, that looks nice. This is some full melt here too.

3:36:36BubblemanI'm going to need you to send that to my P.O. Box 474 at

3:36:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsWe're going to finish something out there.

3:36:47BubblemanI got to come visit you, man. Fucking chill on your pad.

3:36:50Bryan Best Friend FarmsSame, same. We'll swap.

3:36:52SpeakerHas anybody tried Chiquito Banana?

3:36:58Collin PalmerThe varietal?

3:36:59SpeakerNo, that's only a weak attempt at a joke.

3:37:06Etienne FontanThat's banana.

3:37:07Collin PalmerWe think we've all tried that one, right? Isn't there only one? Are two species of banana?

3:37:14SpeakerNo, there's lots of species, but there's only a few that are commercialized.

3:37:19Collin PalmerRight.

3:37:19SpeakerSo what of them, how many are there?

3:37:22Collin PalmerBecause I know there was a disease like what, three years ago that nearly wiped the whole industry out, right?

3:37:26SpeakerYeah, the industry, not the varieties. Cavendish, I thought was the only one. I thought that was the main one.

3:37:38Etienne FontanI read an article that there is another blight that's hitting bananas and they're worried that they could go extinct. Yeah.

3:37:46Collin PalmerAgain?

3:37:47Etienne FontanAgain!

3:37:47BubblemanI feel like there's banana connoisseurs that are keeping those cultivars alive. They're on Banana Church right now and we don't even know they all exist. They're a bunch of old fucking cool dudes that are all into the bananas and they're like, I got this one variety of banana I picked up and... Mozambique back in 1962.

3:38:10Etienne FontanWait till I put this brulee on this here too.

3:38:17SpeakerMy favorite banana varieties are small finger varieties, which are really, really thin skin and so creamy and soft. I mean, they're unbelievable.

3:38:31Collin PalmerWhere can you get those? Like India?

3:38:38Bryan Best Friend FarmsProbably Costa Rica. I like pineapple banana.

3:38:41SpeakerHere's your t-shirt. Yep, that's it.

3:38:45Etienne FontanYep, he wore that the other day in front of all the doctors and professors. Yeah, exactly. I've just advertised for other people nowadays. I don't care. What are they going to do? Well, you are the man.

3:39:04Etienne FontanIt's hilarious because, you know, many of us were all dressed professionally and not, you know, we've all hidden our cannabis persona, so to say. So it's it's cute to see Rob just like blotting it like he's got it.

3:39:17SpeakerYou know, that's actually my wife's T-shirt and she wears it, I don't know, about once a week.

3:39:28Etienne FontanYou have an amazing life.

3:39:29SpeakerI quite literally have hundreds and hundreds of cannabis t-shirts. I'll never be able to wear them all, but they're fun. I collected them.

3:39:43BubblemanWell, that is what's up, dude. Those have to continue on, like, long into the future. Your shirts are historical. Got to keep them.

3:39:56Etienne FontanYeah, we got to get that museum. Are you donating your stuff someplace, Sam, or what's going to happen with your collection?

3:40:06SpeakerI don't know. I'll probably leave it to my granddaughter, who I hate to say it, but she probably sold it all on eBay. I won't care at that point because I'll be dead, but I would have preferred it was all kept as a collection. Yeah, for sure.

3:40:28SpeakerFor sure. You guys could put it together an awesome museum, like a traveling museum between you and Rob and Michael Krawitz and a few of our other friends. You could like have like the dope version, the hemp version, the history version, the gear version. I mean, just so many different, I mean, come on. We got to figure out how to curate that into something that's amazing. People, we talk about some of the shit you guys got and people just say, I didn't even know that existed.

3:40:57SpeakerIt's like, yeah, well, it's insane. There are many cannabis museums around the world. There's a surprising number. Some, only a few for drug cannabis, but at least a hundred for hemp in most European countries, et cetera, because it's a tradition.

3:41:21BubblemanYeah, but they're not all equal. Like definitely, Ben's done an incredible job in Barcelona in that whatever 16th century building that he like didn't restore, but like, or yeah, didn't rebuild, he restored it. He like brought back.

3:41:39SpeakerI saw it before it was restored and during and after.

3:41:43BubblemanAmazing. Incredible. Totally incredible.

3:41:46Etienne FontanI've got a couple of good videos on it. No, I did too. I saw the before, the during, and then the after. And yeah, it is the best museum ever. So why don't you donate your collection to Ben then, Sam, if you wanted to maintain it? You just don't feel he has enough of a drug collection there.

3:42:07SpeakerWell, first of all, he's got a lot of stuff, you know, Probably a bigger collection than I have. But some of my stuff is very unique. For example, I collect police patches with cannabis on them. And I have 1,700 different ones from around the world, all with cannabis on them. And yeah, you have to be pretty much a sicko to do that. But, you know.

3:42:40BubblemanIt's a cool collection.

3:42:42Etienne FontanI sat and went through it, so I must be a sicko for looking through that entire collection when I was at your place because it's an amazing collection of hate, yet an appreciation of cannabis through its representation of the culture that is the police versus, you know, the us versus them. We have our mentality. So to really see the immersiveness of your collection really gives a perspective of the law enforcement's real disdain and absolute hate for cannabis that they represented it as visually and as hatefully as possible, don't you think?

3:43:29Etienne FontanThe eradicators.

3:43:31SpeakerThey have a lot of needles, death with a sickle. And, you know, so, yeah, it's pretty much linked to that. If you smoke a joint, or maybe if you're in the room where one is smoked, pretty, you, by the next day, you will be shooting heroin.

3:43:51BubblemanOh, my God, dude, that's so true. It's ridiculous.

3:43:58Collin PalmerCertainly, Chip. I mean, we were just on with someone. He's got to go and appear in court. I mean, all these years later, he's still dealing with it with. With that, you know, and I think there's, it's just so.

3:44:11SpeakerMarijuana is not legal in the Netherlands. You can grow five on your, the Volkswagen in your window or whatever. You can grow five plants. Anything more is technically illegal. I thought you were allowed nine kilos of personal. The nine kilos is if you're single, five plants are big enough. Really? Yes. Well, that's cool. Nobody can grow that many, that big of plants unless you, I don't know, because you can't grow legally in a greenhouse.

3:44:49SpeakerYou can't do it under lights. You have to do it under natural sun and golden period. Right.

3:44:58BubblemanYeah. A little bit tricky for sure.

3:45:01SpeakerYeah.

3:45:02BubblemanWell, we'll send some with the good vibes.

3:45:05SpeakerIn theory, it could be done, but in practice, it's probably difficult. Makes sense. Hey, guys, I missed the early part, but I heard Soma say that his NYCD was named after his dog, Diesel. That's what he said. Has anyone? I've never heard that before.

3:45:27BubblemanNeither have I. Neither have I. Me neither. That's why I asked him. I wanted to hear what he had to say. He said he got the cut from Ja Levi. He got some seed from Ja Levi that he cracked and he hit it with, what was it, a Hawaiian... Was it a Hawaiian skunk?

3:45:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsAfghani Hawaiian.

3:45:47BubblemanAfghani Hawaiian. That was it.

3:45:48Etienne FontanYeah, because I always wondered the diesel part because way back in the day when I was in West Virginia, we would actually get weed smuggled in a diesel truck and it would actually leak and you would actually smell the diesel on the Mexican varietal compressed diesel. Seed stock that we had access to. So I always wondered if there's some sort of gassy component to, you know, where diesel came from.

3:46:16Etienne FontanBut, you know, dog name, of course, of course it would be right.

3:46:22Collin PalmerYeah, and it's not to be confused with sour diesel, right? Let's make sure that's known here to the viewers, at least. We all know that. But, you know, the viewers out there should be a distinct difference. But nonetheless, really great varietal, you know, really is, I think, left a mark. I know I used to grow a lot of it. I used to grow his mango, too. He had a mango that he did.

3:46:48BubblemanDude, all I know is when I went to Amsterdam, he always had great bubble hash. He was always had the stash of like the goods. Yeah.

3:47:00Collin PalmerYeah. I mean, you brought that herb that he grew. It was phenomenal. It was really good. It's really good. I think there was hash with it too. I can't remember.

3:47:09BubblemanWhat? At the cup?

3:47:11Collin PalmerYeah.

3:47:11BubblemanYeah, I used to buy like a big bag of weed off of them and a big bag of hash and just flip it at the booth. Mostly I'd give the hash away in dabs, in bowls. About 100 grams in five days I'd do, like 20 grams a day, just giving out hits of hash at my booth. That's all I did.

3:47:33SpeakerI could have sworn that I was smoking 30 grams a day at your booth.

3:47:37BubblemanYou probably were. You were absolutely. And then some asshole would be like, oh, I want to take a picture. And then Sam would be gone. I'd be like, oh, thanks, dude. I appreciate that. Often the asshole would be like a really good friend of mine.

3:47:51Etienne FontanYou know what? You know what? I'm going to burn one here. And we got to think about those. Because when you said so many of them having to go to jail, it reminds us there's still people in jail. For cannabis right now, everybody, we should send one up to those that are still. I got to recently meet. I got to finally meet him at the state fair, California State Fair.

3:48:20Etienne FontanAnd I reminded him because he was.

3:48:26Etienne FontanGreat Cantina. He did a little stamp on his name with Luke Scarmazzo and other. You know, I want to support those that are still in and if I can help fill their canteens from time to time and just make a nice gesture. And he remembered. He was like, yo, I just want to thank you. And I was like, yeah, I'm happy to meet you. But, you know, people remember those things.

3:48:52Etienne FontanEverybody who goes to jail, don't forget. Eventually, they're going to remember gestures you send now, you know, are a debt of gratitude because, you know. Prison sucks. Everything about prison sucks. And I wish everybody were out from prison. So shout out to those that are still in and we hope you get out soon. End of story.

3:49:16BubblemanVery well put. I've been talking to Rick DeLisi lately and we're going to have him and his dad come on and tell his story of serving.

3:49:24Etienne FontanIt's a prime fucking example.

3:49:26BubblemanSeven years, dude. What the fuck?

3:49:29Etienne FontanRight? I wonder if he was ever going to see his dad again. Truly. I can't tell you that there was nothing happier. I broke a tear when I finally heard that they were together. I got to meet his dad at various events and stuff. I'm so happy that they're...

3:49:45SpeakerIf he would have been in federal prison, he would have gotten out years earlier. But, you know, Florida was a state prison system was a bitch.

3:49:57Etienne FontanThat's an insult to bitches. That's fucking outright cruelty and third world country, you know, type of shit they do to you in Florida, man. So, I mean, strength on him for not, you know, breaking and, you know, riding through that and coming out on the other side and to his family for not giving up. But nobody should have to go through that shit for cannabis ever, ever.

3:50:23Etienne FontanAnd that we put people through that. Again, this is why the work that we're doing internationally at the UN, we're trying to make it legal by 2030 so nobody gets arrested or executed for cannabis ever again. We're going above the US's head here in other countries because the US has used its influence too many years fucking up the world and imposing our drug war And this past year in April, in March, you know, 60 plus countries said, you know, fuck you, fuck this bullshit.

3:50:55Etienne FontanWe're tired of it. And There's a whole reshift happening. So stand up, pay attention, get involved. And hopefully, you know, there won't be any fathers missing sons and sons missing daughters and fathers missing just because they're in jail or because they're going to be executed just because they had a discussion in a country about cannabis. Nobody deserves that. So sorry to soapbox there, but it's really important we don't forget that.

3:51:25Etienne FontanYou know, those that put us where we are and those unfortunate that fell along the wayside, we always owe them a debt of gratitude and thanks for the sacrifices they made. And unfortunately, luck wasn't on their side. Some of us were luckier than others.

3:51:41BubblemanYeah, very well put, Etienne. And don't worry about it. Hash Church wouldn't be Hash Church without you giving us a few soapbox moments. I mean, that would be like D420K coming in and not saying, Bong Rip!

3:51:57Etienne FontanWas that an official bong rip call? I mean, I guess it was.

3:52:01BubblemanI just literally hit the card and I'm feeling pretty good about that.

3:52:07Collin PalmerI got to pack a bowl now, damn it. Let's hit the mothership, I'm good. The ship is good.

3:52:12BubblemanIt's been a nice mellow Sunday hanging out with you guys.

3:52:21BubblemanAppreciate your time.

3:52:22Etienne FontanHitting my Mobius. I like a little straight shirt, a little Mobius.

3:52:28BubblemanNice. Oh, geez. That reminds me. I got this little guy here.

3:52:32Etienne FontanOh, that's a cute little.

3:52:35BubblemanIt's a little Dustin Revere water droplet or whatever.

3:52:40Etienne FontanFull. Nice colors.

3:52:41BubblemanBut then I got I'm also I got the old school here, dude. How about this?

3:52:46Etienne FontanOh, yeah. Look at that. I got one of them too. Oh, that's a Colin. Nice green. That's a little one-on-one there. It's a mini too.

3:52:57Collin PalmerIt's like in between. It's like a sipper. It's perfect. It's just how I like to hit things.

3:53:03BubblemanA sipper, not a ripper? I mean, I have rippers, but when I... Jesus Christ, that looks like a beer glass, your banger. But it does rip. What the fuck?

3:53:14Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis is my best friend made this pipe here. This ring. This is the Mr. Gray.

3:53:17Collin PalmerThis is the Scotty Rosinski piece right here.

3:53:18BubblemanLittle pineapple.

3:53:43Collin PalmerNice. Looks great. Oh, shit.

3:53:46Etienne FontanI have a few Mr. Gray pieces. Mr. Gray by the Wormholes. J.D. Mapleton. Yeah. J.D. Mapleton. Yeah, he did two. One in purple and one in green. And they're in reverse. And I got them. I have both sisters. Sweet. Sick. He does great dichro work, Mr. Gray.

3:54:15Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, nice leaf pattern work.

3:54:17Collin PalmerYeah, I got this when I was at Scotty's shop. He opened up his vault and I saw this one and he was like, you want to try it? And I was like, yeah, let me try it. And then I ended up being like, you want to keep it? I was like, yeah. And then it's a lot of detail actually inside here. That you can't see. And then the inside ball also has a lot of detail.

3:54:45Collin PalmerI can't.

3:54:45Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh, I'd love to try that.

3:54:47Collin PalmerThat looks really good.

3:54:48Etienne FontanI'll bring it up sometime, Brian. Is that Deppie dark, the green color?

3:54:52Collin PalmerIt's yeah, it's like dark green, but that's his own pull. That he does a pull-up. Like the evolution, like the monkey evolution here on it. It's pretty sick. And then these eyes on the stem. It looks, it's really beautiful.

3:55:06BubblemanYou have to hold it in front of your body or it's invisible.

3:55:10Collin PalmerRight in front of you.

3:55:12BubblemanAnd see the banger's now disappeared because it's over your shoulder. There it is. I'm going to keep the whole thing in front of you.

3:55:20Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's a sweet rig.

3:55:23Collin PalmerSo is that. I've just been hitting it for the past two or three hours. But inside, it has the same work as here and on the stem. And this has the evolution of the monkey. Ooh. Yeah.

3:55:44Collin PalmerAnd then there's mushrooms right here on the stem here that are hard to see. And then it's the same eyes and it's really nice. And then there's like... Seed of Life?

3:55:59Etienne FontanSnowflakes here.

3:55:59Collin PalmerYeah, it's like... Yeah, it's really great, man. And then this banger is from one of Scotty's collections too. I can't remember which one. Nice. And then the cap here. Nice cap.

3:56:16Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis cap is... Nice cap.

3:56:19Collin PalmerIt's a really good work. I just like that one for some reason.

3:56:24Bryan Best Friend FarmsHave you seen these caps here? These Steve Bates kind of swirler thing. I'm out of the loop, but it's got this technical bottom to it, if you can see it right there.

3:56:33Collin PalmerYeah, that's exactly what... It's the pearl to spin.

3:56:38Bryan Best Friend FarmsI love it. It sounds like a whirlwind.

3:56:41Etienne FontanYeah.

3:56:41Collin PalmerHow's that little? Yeah.

3:56:43Etienne FontanYeah. That technology really came in to really move pearls around for sure.

3:56:48Bryan Best Friend FarmsYou know, I like to do a full melt with this. If you get a bunch of big, a big whack of full melt in there, it's really, really cool with these. And you just really riff on it, you know, like just let it have it. I'll try to do a vid sometime of it. It's really cool. It's just even just fun to watch while you're hitting it hard like that, you know?

3:57:06BubblemanSteve's a pioneer, man. Like some of the stuff that he did in glassblowing, you know, just like, oh, yeah, the focus. And I don't know if it was Hash Church or some other show or chat I used to have, but he would come in it and just blow glass for hours in this chat room that I had. I don't think it was Hash Church, but maybe I'd have to look back.

3:57:28BubblemanI think it predated Hash Church when I had Full Melt Bubble and I had video chat there. And yeah, he would come in and just blow glass and just create crazy shit. He'd create some crazy thing like right there and then be like, does anyone want to buy this?

3:57:44Collin PalmerPeople are like, yeah, I'd fucking buy that, dude. I remember when you were doing those, I was like, he's nuts, dude. He's out there showing his face and stuff like this is like, I'm so scared.

3:57:55BubblemanSteve always had his back to to us. So but not like me or whatever. But he was he definitely didn't care. And he was just like drinking beers like a fucking maniac while he was blowing glass. He'd just be like 10 beers into this fucking session, dude, like no joke. I was like, wow, I couldn't blow glass after, I bet you, one beer. One beer, I'd be like, ooh, I'm going to burn myself.

3:58:19Collin PalmerMaybe we should do a glass session sometime. Get Slinger on and get a few people on.

3:58:24BubblemanYeah, it'd be good to talk to those old school glassblower guys.

3:58:30Etienne FontanYeah, get a glassblower edition hash church where they're all talking. See, when Chalice was going back in the day, that was one of the most amazing U.S. events because all the glassblowers and hash makers went there. So you could literally hang out and watch Six to 10 of the top glass artists sitting there, you know, torching and then exchanging or collabing. And there needs to be more of that.

3:58:55Etienne FontanYou know what I'm saying? I collect collabs myself because I like one of ones personally. And collabs are completely that. So, you know, yeah, I think maybe that's what we can work up towards in the future, Marcus, because I know some glass people. I follow a ton of them on Instagram. Maybe we could create a show or something.

3:59:15BubblemanI just rubbed a bunch of resin in my eye, so I'll just be rubbing this eye for the next 20 minutes if you guys don't mind. In the meantime, yes, that's a great idea. Go ahead, Sam.

3:59:26SpeakerEtchen, do you smoke out of your most valuable rare glass bongs? Some yes, some no. OK, because I know Marcus used to have a few that I didn't want to touch or have anything to do with because I've never met a glass pipe that I couldn't break.

3:59:50BubblemanThat's what he told me the day I tried to pass him the one of one Marcel Braun from like 99 Octopus and Fish and all this crazy shit. And he said, oh, yeah, no, I've never met a bong I couldn't break or something like that.

4:00:05Etienne FontanA glass pipe. Oh yeah, I broke. I have a Contrabasso. And yeah, cat scared me and it cooked and it broke. And I contacted him. And he was like, fuck! But he was like, okay. And it's a full color changing, it's all rainbow colors. And so when you put it under a different light, the light gets darker. It's fucking a beautiful piece. And he was able to repair it for me.

4:00:35Etienne FontanSo, you know, that's the part of having, yeah, see, I see that one. I had a gravity event, you know.

4:00:40Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis is a lava lamp, yeah. I cracked this lava. This is a collab. It's a specialized nug from a strain that I bred. Back in the day when I left Humboldt, Southern Humboldt, I don't know what this was worth, but it was literally first shake out of my hands with some wacky cleaning solution and just like it was, yeah, just not even a chance. Yeah, custom lava lamp, angel food cake, nug piece.

4:01:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo I keep it because it's so nice still just in kind of like a reminder that like Sam, I mean, I've met pipes I haven't broke, but I'm kind of like all glass will break.

4:01:17SpeakerYeah, exactly. And I remember I used to use primarily raw eight millimeter bongs, which were practically bulletproof. But I used to break one every six, eight, 10 months. I broke one.

4:01:37Etienne FontanYou got to keep everything in their own container. Oh, look at there. There's an old roar. You know, I only keep out my daily driver. Everything else is in cases.

4:01:48SpeakerWhat I did was I accepted my reality and always had three backup identical roars. So if I broke one, I don't care. I'm ready to break another one.

4:02:01Etienne FontanYeah, that's how I am with the mothership Tauruses. I think those are the best. I mean, I have a ball rig. Don't get me wrong, Colin. But I think the Taurus is the best consistent for me daily driver. Just a nice, I like the sixth inch. So if anybody has any, they're ever looking to get rid of, I'm always happy to look at the sub seven inch mothership Tauruses.

4:02:25Etienne FontanThey're just standard clear. I don't need the fancy or the glass. They're just solid, good hitting piece. Wow. What is that? Is that old Yushin? What does that be?

4:02:35BubblemanThis is a Max Poland. Oh, wow. From like the late 90s, I think I got this off of.

4:02:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, it looks like some of those.

4:02:46BubblemanHe's like crushed opal. Oh, yeah. Just a nice old piece that I still to this day have. This was like $1,200 in 98 or 97.

4:02:58SpeakerDo you use it or just admire it?

4:03:03BubblemanI still use it. I still use it, man. Yeah. It's just a nice little pipe, you know?

4:03:09Collin PalmerAnd I lost a Snodgrass Chubbler that I had. I gave it to a friend and he just took borrow for like a day and it just broke. Never be seen again.

4:03:22BubblemanWhich one's that you got there, Brian? It's a cool one.

4:03:26Bryan Best Friend FarmsThis is a Bob Batram where you said Snodgrass, right?

4:03:29Etienne FontanOh yeah, that's the other name right next to Snod, Batram.

4:03:33Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, and he whips out work all the time. I know that. He grinds and definitely makes it like affordable for people. So it's not just like a holy item, you know, priced item. So he did this, yeah, really affordable and just nice work out to the people that make your own logo right on there. It's pretty cool.

4:03:53BubblemanI miss the days where glassblowers would just trade for oil and hash.

4:03:58DutchYeah.

4:03:59BubblemanMan, I'll tell you, you could get some. That's how those pipes ended up being thousands of dollars. It was directly related to like dudes that just made like a kilo of butane oil or some other, you know, that are just like trading it. Like that's how hash bean ended up getting that hundred thousand euro price. You know, mire, wire, rure, laser gun pipe. It was like 100,000 euros.

4:04:27BubblemanAnd he was just like, oh, it was like a kilo of PHO at 100 bucks, 100 euros a gram. I was like, oh, OK, it's fucking crazy.

4:04:37DutchDo you remember those days?

4:04:41Bryan Best Friend FarmsRemember those big saxophone pieces? Siobhan Fishlot with the full-size sax cases. It was a Brian Bates.

4:04:49SpeakerYeah.

4:04:50Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, Brian Bates. And it was just deep bucket, huge hammer bubblers or even Shirley's. And they literally had to be carried around. When you saw the sax case come out on the court, that's when you knew most likely it was a Bates. It wasn't even a musical instrument, highly likely. Yeah.

4:05:09Etienne FontanIt's awesome. Yeah. All these dead heads with, with, with these really nice pouches.

4:05:15Bryan Best Friend FarmsThose are great. I love those.

4:05:19Etienne FontanThey always had the best pipes inside. It's true. Pull one of those out. Wham. Yeah. You better have something solid to go in it. They're not going to take, just put anything in those pipes. Yeah.

4:05:37BubblemanThanks for coming on Hash Church. Thanks, Marcus. Thanks, everyone.