The Skunkman Sam Tribute

0:18BubblemanHi, everybody. Welcome to Hash Church, Season 11, Episode 5. The Skunk Man Sam Tribute. I gotta let you know, I'm gonna be a mess this entire show. This is very difficult. I just, I just, I have such enormous amounts of grief right now. And stress to make this show perfect and do right by Diana and his family, his daughters, Maya, Haley, Sienna, his granddaughter, all the girls.

0:54BubblemanI just I just my heart is with all of you. I'm so devastated. I'm going to get through this. A lot of people waiting to get in. I got to shout out our sponsors, just the two. Thank you so much for Heritage Seed Bank, who's with us every week here in Hash Church. He reached out two or three weeks ago and wanted to do a sponsorship. It happened to fall on this day.

1:20BubblemanI thought about it. I wasn't sure. If I wanted to do sponsors, but I do want to shout them out, give them the props that they deserve, read a small little blurb from them, and then I'll read another little blurb from Craft Greenery. And we'll move on and invite some folks in and we'll talk about Sam. Heritage Seed Bank. They're not just distributors. They're passionate cultivators, preservers of cannabis heritage with decades of breeding experience.

1:46BubblemanThey collaborate closely with top breeders to offer only the highest quality genetics. Their goal is to empower all growers with access to the world's best genetics, knowledge, and support, ensuring cannabis remains diverse, potent, and accessible. I feel like that was Skunk Man Sam's mission in this life. And when I hear of Thank you so much for joining us.

2:20BubblemanIncluding fair pricing and accurate information. I did reach out to Fletch from Archive to find out about these guys. He said they're good people. He sells his seeds to them. I got to give a huge shout out to Fletch. He's been absolutely amazing during all of this. He's really been super supportive with donations, with concepts and ideas of making things better. I know he's as devastated as the rest of us.

2:44BubblemanSo shout out to Heritage Seeds. You can support both Fletch and Heritage Seeds through HeritageSeedBank.com. I also want to give a shout out to Kraft Greenery, Dennis and Mark over at the local dispensary here in Vancouver. They've got a premier cannabis dispensary and they've sponsored today's show as well. They were very imperative about sponsoring today's show. And their sponsorship funds will be donated 100% to Skunk Man Sam's celebration of life happening here in a few days.

3:17BubblemanThese guys are all about bringing the highest quality and the widest variety of cannabis and extracts right to your doorsteps across Canada, whether you're a connoisseur or a, sorry, whether you're a connoisseur. Oh, I'm having a hard time here, guys. I'm really having a hard time here. Or a curious newcomer. Craft Greenery has something special for you. I do want to show ever so quickly their logos.

3:44BubblemanThere's Craft Greenery. Thank you guys, Dennis and Mark. I appreciate you. And I also want to share the logo for Heritage Seed Bank. Thank you guys as well for sponsoring today's show. It's going to be a tough one, but we're going to get through it. I had so much love for this man. The grief that has come up since his passing is very reminiscent of my father's grief of his passing 20 years ago.

4:11BubblemanI know tons of people are going through this. And, uh, oh, I just want to,

4:25BubblemanI just want to let the world know how much I cared and loved this man. Thank him so much for everything he shared with us and will continue to share with us. And the same way I learned when my father passed, that every time we talk about him, every time we bring him up, every time we tell a story, we're bringing him back. So when we say he's gone, I can't believe he's gone.

4:47BubblemanHe's not gone. Yes, in this form, he's not here anymore, but in spirit, I can't imagine a day where Sam isn't with all of us. So I'm going to invite some people in and we will get started with a beautiful episode of Hash Church in honor of David Watson, a.k.a. Skunk Man Sam. So here we go. Look at this incredible group of people.

5:19SpeakerOh, my goodness.

5:21BubblemanThank you, everyone, for coming out here today. Rob, so good to see you, brother. Jesus. I'm sure.

5:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLove you guys.

5:29BubblemanI can't imagine how devastated you are. You spent more time with Dave than any of us. You know, you guys, like Brian has said many times, two sides to the same coin. I met Rob first before I met Sam. I met Rob, must have been back in 95. I brought him by my house maybe a few years later, 96, I think, 97, whenever he was in BC.

5:57BubblemanAnd soon after I would meet Skunk Man Sam, soon after I started the Bubble Bag Company, and he would reach out to me aggressively with his aggressive old school nature and say, If it don't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble. You know who said that first, right? And that was the email that I got from him. And I wrote him back and I said, I absolutely know.

6:21BubblemanI've only heard Rob say it. I've never met you, but he always gave credit to you when he said it. I know it's your statement. I said, I don't have to use it. I apologize for using it without... It was really an homage to you, I told him. And for some reason, I somehow unlocked the David Watson... You know, friendship dome. And it opened up after I told him that.

6:45BubblemanAnd it was slow, but sure. And I appreciate Rob, you being a big part of sort of getting me in there to such an amazing person. Both of you really have been influential. And I call both of you mentors of mine. And I really, I'm happy you could make it today, Rob. I'm just a little numb today.

7:10SpeakerYeah, yeah, I hear you. It hasn't been the easiest of times for any of us. But yeah, it's good to see everybody's faces.

7:23SpeakerNice to see you, Rob. I haven't seen you in a while. Yeah, it's been a long time. Nice to see all of you. Nice to see all of you. It's looking good, buddy. Rob, you're looking good. Staying alive. You're looking really good, man. Well, I'm here in Laos. Laos is a very nice place. Very calm, quiet. Went to a raging birthday party this evening, which is good for my spirit.

7:53SpeakerHow old are you now? I turned 72 this year. Ricky. Rick DeLisi. What's up, someone? I love you, bro.

8:04BubblemanHey, Rick.

8:08BubblemanWelcome, everybody. Welcome, Rick.

8:09SpeakerHang on.

8:10BubblemanWelcome, Dr. Ethan, Johnny B. I see Mel Frank with Todd McCormick is in the house, Wade Laughter, Soma, Dr. Mark, Colin, Aaron from DNA Genetics, Etienne, Dragonfly Earth Medicine. I really want to make today a celebration, but I feel that it's pretty okay if all of us just want to melt down and fall apart for the first little bit of this. I spoke to Todd. Yesterday, and I felt his grief so deeply in my soul.

8:43BubblemanIt's just sad. It's just one more way. Sam is uniting us. And I know that grief is love. I know that grief is fairly selfish behavior. I know that I'm grieving for Diana and the girls, and I'm grieving for all of you guys, but I'm also grieving for myself. I have some... Some selfish greed going on right now, absolutely. You know, such a dear friend and great man and an absolutely unbelievable inspiration to so many people.

9:16BubblemanThere's over 100 people sitting in the chat room today on Hash Church and there's 460 watching right now, the most that have watched in probably five years at 9.08 a.m. So I know the importance that this man had to our community, not just us, not just his family. This far-reaching community of people. I had people today ask me if they could get photos of Sam to print and put in their grow rooms.

9:45BubblemanAnd I just thought, what a beautiful idea. I just pictured thousands of these images of Sam all around the world in people's grow rooms and seeing people post these pictures on Instagram of Sam in the background overlooking, you know, some of the pictures you've taken of Sam over the years, Todd. I don't doubt that those will be the pictures. That will be used and just, I just want to thank everyone for showing up today.

10:10BubblemanI want to thank everyone in the room right now. There's a very big group of people watching that had deep love for Sam. One of the people had written a couple days ago, I never met Sam, but the hearing of his passing stopped me dead in my tracks. And I just, it just hit me so hard. You know, it's not, It's not just us. We were the

10:52BubblemanFor the lucky ones to meet his wife, Diana, and see a woman who could support this man in such an unbelievably unashamed, beautiful way. It was very inspirational. And I know when... When Diana first met my family, she told me, she's like, wow, you really remind me of like young, beautiful Char with the two babies. We took a trip to Jamaica. Rob was there. He was working on one of his books that year.

11:22BubblemanAnd it was just, it was kind of the beginning of a really, really beautiful friendship. And I just really want to take this moment to thank you, Sam, for trusting me, for Thank you for sharing with me, for showing me your static process when very few people on the entire planet knew it. I held that dear to my chest. I never shared it with anyone. I never showed it to anyone because the respect I have, I have, not had, the respect I have and will always have for you is, it's just at the highest level.

11:57BubblemanI'm not going to go on too much, but I have a very deep love for this man, as I know all of you do on the panel. And If anyone wants to pick it up from here, please do so because I'm just going to fall apart for a little while.

12:13DrWell, while you do that, I'll go ahead. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Ethan. I met Dave in 1999 on the beach at Acapulco, same time as Rob and Dave Pate. I was introduced to him by Jeffrey Guy, the founder of GW Pharmaceuticals. This was shortly after The genetics of Horta Farm were assigned to GW. And for those of you who didn't know, that work became the foundation for what later became Sativex and Epidiolex, also the isolation of cannabinoid-free plants, CBG-only plants.

13:01DrIt all started there. So that was the beginning of an amazing friendship. And I was fortunate in the ensuing years to spend a lot of time in Amsterdam with Dave and Diana. If I can share, I'll put up a couple of pictures.

13:24BubblemanI believe I gave you permission to share.

13:27DrOkay. This may not show too well, but there's Dave with one of his Chinese hemp plants. These were the largest seeds of cannabis I've ever seen and also the most delicious. They were the size of garden peas. Let's do another one.

13:49DrLet's try another share. And...

13:57DrHere he is with leaves of the same plant. And you'll note that clearly this is a broad leaflet plant, typical of the Chinese hemp. I've never seen bigger leaflets in my life. And then one more I hope will be amusing.

14:23DrSomewhere around 2004, There was a visit to Bedrocan, and why I'm including this is the look on Dave's face.

14:35DrIs that the look of skepticism or what? Anyway, I'm sure he saw things with which he'd agree.

14:43Etienne FontanAny of us who have toured Bedrocan, we all had that same look on our face.

14:49DrAnyway, on the years that followed, especially while I was there in 2001, but also 2004 and 2005, Dave was instrumental in helping me to do a series of experiments that I'd wanted to do for years. When I first met him in 1999, along with Rob, it was apparent that these were kindred spirits because they knew about terpenoids and the influence that they made on plants. They also knew how to selectively breed for specific cannabinoids and that that was the way forward to making cannabis-based medicine.

15:29DrIn 2004 and 2005, in a series of long stays with Dave and Diana, we did a bunch of blinded experiments with a volcano vaporizer with Diana's help to put them together so we wouldn't know what was in them. But that's when I had the opportunity To try various cannabinoid isolates and combinations with terpenoids that form the basis of a lot of my subsequent work, particularly for taming THC.

16:03DrThere were many times when Dave would be exasperating. He was a curmudgeon of the first order. I would periodically look towards Diana and she would say, what can I say? I love the guy. But I just reveled in the experiences of spending time with him. I mean, it's not every day you meet somebody that smoked cobra venom and lived to tell the tale. Also to enjoy his collections, the India Hemp Drug Commission, the only set of books, the originals that I've ever seen.

16:43DrAnd his drug force patches and everything else. An amazing collector and personality of the first order and I'll miss him greatly.

17:00BubblemanThank you for sharing, Ethan. Really appreciate that. Definitely not wrong. He was definitely a curmudgeon of the first order. And that's what we loved about him. He had a bullshit detector that was so fucking sensitive when it came to cannabis and cannabis breeding and growing. And he had no problem. He understood that blowing smoke up people's asses wasn't how you moved them. He inspired people with truth.

17:27BubblemanAnd it was sometimes a brutal truth. And there's people in the chat room right now. I believe it was Tony who said, you know, this is a guy who would answer my, he would comment on my tech, my posts on IC Mag. He would let me know what I was doing wrong. He would decimate me. And then he would continue to send me private messages. Just me, some nobody kid from middle America, And I love that about Dave, that he was willing to share his time with people.

17:55BubblemanAny way that he could find access into the cannabis community. I noticed recently he started posting on LinkedIn and he was just super like posting like so many times every day. And I was like, oh my God, this is another amazing place for people to gain access to, you know, the kind of one and only David Watson, which even... I can't tell you how weird it sounds to me hearing my voice say his name on, like in a setting like this.

18:25BubblemanIt was the weirdest thing to see pictures of him posted. I texted Diana right away. I was like, is it okay to post pictures? And she said, well, I don't think he minds anymore. I'm pretty sure he, I was just like, oh my God. Okay. Like that's a way of thinking about it. Oh, there's a great picture of him on a plane there with, uh, In Ryan Lee's, I just loved his smile.

18:44BubblemanI loved his personality. And I just had no idea when I was learning to become friends with him, how much I had in common with him, how similar I was in my own personality. And just, yeah, I'd love to hear anyone else's little introduction.

19:04SpeakerI mean, I don't want to jump in the head, but it's just funny what you just said, because I'm I had the privilege of meeting him through taking part in a Hash Legends, which was in 2013, I believe. And I got to come there and just experience that whole reality that him and Mark had put together with the Hash community, which I didn't know existed before that.

19:36SpeakerI just to get back to my point, like I didn't know how much I had in common with him until I had been like hanging out at his house for like maybe like six months. And I went to the bathroom and saw that photo that everybody saw of him and Diane. And when I looked in his eyes, I realized like, wow, he's one of us. I'm one of them.

19:55SpeakerI'm one of him. And like he loves his wife as much as I love my wife. He has a passion for cannabis. He's been through A sacrifice and just a very hard reality of like teaching people what cannabis can do for you, you know? It was a trip. So from that point, I remember coming back into his living room and being like, this is so fucking awesome that he's embraced me, you know?

20:30SpeakerSo I'm sorry I'm getting emotional. Big love, homie. Big love. It's my moment to let it out. He was a really cool dude. I hate that anybody talks shit about him.

20:44SpeakerHe really brought me near all of you. And I'm grateful for that. Yeah. And he kept me near all of you. And even as I left Amsterdam, I still kept very good contact with him. I spoke with him the day before he died, actually. Yeah, I feel tremendous love for him and his wife, and I will miss him greatly.

21:11BubblemanYou were a good friend to them, dude. You were a really good friend to them. I know how much it meant to him to have you visit him in those days when, you know, things got quiet in Amsterdam.

21:21SpeakerHe was, he was, um,

21:28SpeakerHe was cooler than most people even could understand. That's what it was. So you two, you guys are just like, you guys are fucking pillars in this, man. He was 27 days older than me. Yeah, Rob, you too, man. Like, I feel honored to have met you and smoked my ass with you. And just my whole, the whole vibe, like, it's just fucking, I'm honored to be part of the community.

21:59SpeakerThat's it. Oh, we all met. A lot of us met each other at David and Diana's. So, yeah. Trippy, right? Hey, everyone. I just want to say good day. I'm sorry I'm not on camera today. I've been with David actually the past little while. This is Ryan. I've been traveling with David and actually now have the same sickness that he and Dan had caught before. So it's kind of caught up with me.

22:27SpeakerSo I'm a little bit under the weather today. But I just wanted to say it's really nice to see you all, all these faces online, even Chef Seven Turtles down there in the corner. How are you, Scott? David loved all of you guys. I was with David in his last moments and I was able to hold his hand and tell him I loved him and say all of your names as well.

22:55SpeakerJust let him know that we were all with him. I've had some pretty emotional moments over the past couple of days. I raced across from Ukiah over to Auburn when I heard that he was in distress from Marcus. We had a, it was weird. We had this kind of mystical loop going on of people that were, had been staying in touch with David and realized that he was in distress.

23:21SpeakerSo I just wanted to say I love and appreciate all those people.

23:28SpeakerI'm really trying to take all this pain that I have with losing David and put it into something great. So I'm going to, if you don't mind, talk about this fundraiser that we've got going. It seems cheap to be talking about money when we're talking about our beloved brother. But we're trying to do a fundraiser here that's going to be to fund a moment that we can all get together and recognize David.

23:54SpeakerEverybody from the community is welcome. It's going to take place at a winery in Richmond, California, which is in the Upper East Bay. And people can make donations here. We're doing food for 200. The event can hold more people. I wouldn't be surprised if more people show up. It's open to everyone. Everyone that can attend on Wednesday from 12 to 6 p.m. at Riggers Loft is welcome to join us.

24:26SpeakerAnd we'll be honoring this incredible, incredible life story of David. His family will be there. This is not a smoke your face out, blow your face off in the middle of this vineyard event. Please keep your smoking discreet outside. There will be a hash bash later at night at a different venue.

24:49SpeakerBut we're just going to celebrate David and talk about his life and the amazing things primarily that he meant to his family. And then those of us that became lucky enough to be part of his life and be invited into his inner circle.

25:05SpeakerIt's amazing, Ethan, to have you here sharing the entourage work and some of these other stuff, you know, these other stories that we're going to tell over the next, geez, it's going to be 20 years. We'll still be telling stories of David because... The things that he did in his life that we haven't talked about because of respecting his privacy are so incredible. They're as incredible as the things that we do talk about about David.

25:33SpeakerHe was just such an incredibly private man, an incredibly accomplished man. I was saying on my Instagram the other day, he found the cheat code. He figured out how to turn all the no's into yeses.

25:49SpeakerYou know, he really figured out how to do things that nobody else was able to do. You know, and that involved things like bringing the former head of the chief of police for Holland onto his security detail team for the company. He just, he knew how to, he figured out, he didn't know how to, he figured out how to walk these very difficult paths that allowed him to have the right to grow cannabis.

26:17SpeakerAnd from that, he took this incredible, this incredible passion that he had for cannabis. He founded the International Hemp Association. He started the work with Horta Farm. There's the seed work that he did that supported the recreational or non-medicinal side of the industry. David is truly, truly the real only godfather legend in cannabis. We can talk about other people with their work with seeds or, or medicine, but David did it all.

26:52SpeakerLike he did, he, he, he did the hemp side. He wanted to normalize with Rob. I mean, the work that you guys did at the international hemp association to normalize cannabis and provide genetic resources to people that were starting hemp programs and information to people that were starting hemp programs in every, any country, every country.

27:16SpeakerHe had his fingers in all the pies on the cannabis side. And with Rob, you know, they became the hub in the spoke of the wheel. They became that central hub. Um, you know, and like, like photosynthesis, you know, like chloroplasts can't photosynthesize without that central ion of magnesium, like, like the same with blood vessel or with blood cells, you know, that central ion of hemoglobin. That's what David was to the cannabis industry.

27:47SpeakerUm, and you know, we've, we've, we've clearly lost so much and it's so clear seeing my friends, these people I love on, on stage here today. Talking about David and shedding tears. That's because of how much David would love when you love someone that deeply. And we remove that person from the part of the equation. We feel this huge loss. But it's because he occupied such a huge place.

28:17SpeakerAnd I've had a few deaths in my close circle in the last few years. And I've realized... This time we have on the planet is so short, it's so fleeting. All we can do is really try to make the most out of every day and be happy every day. And so when I think of David, I'm really trying to be happy for all the things that he brought into my life and not focus on the sadness of losing him.

28:48SpeakerBecause David really did try to live his life With joy every day. Diana recently sent me this picture for, that we're going to use on his, on the pamphlet for the memorial. But it shows David, I mean, he really, everybody knows skunky Sam, you know, kind of maybe angry Sam, the one that would get up in your face when he first met you. But on the other side, there was sweet Sam.

29:15SpeakerSam was the kindest, most loving person that you ever met. If you got into his heart, He just cared about you so much. And I see everybody on the stage and, you know, every one of you got into his heart in some special way.

29:34SpeakerAnyway, I feel like I'm going on and rambling. I just wanted to say it's great to be here with you guys. It was really great. It was so great to be with you and get to see you meet David for the first time on Thursday.

29:50SpeakerYou know, all of you guys, you know, Aaron up in the corner there, all of you guys, you all played a role in David's life. And even last Friday, we went to this breeding laboratory in Davis, California. And it was, you know, they're doing some pretty advanced stuff. They're doing high depth dihaploids and haploid plants and, you know, creating very true breeding plants. And it reminded me that like even right up to the last days, David was doing what he wanted to do with life.

30:25SpeakerHe was doing what he enjoyed in life. He was with people that he'd loved in life. So I just, I want everybody to try to think about living in the spirit in which David lived his life, that spirit of happiness and love. Always trying to have a good time. Always making sure that he was, you know, he had the proper amount of dabs. Always. And just be good to each other.

30:59SpeakerLove your families like David loved his family. And if we continue to do this, you know, we will be leading a good example for the world. That's a good one.

31:15Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you so much, Ryan, for taking, you know, the hand of aiding the...

31:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnyway, thanks, Ryan, for being there for him and the family and everything that you've done together with him and also just...

31:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd holding space, you know, for the family and everyone and the work and everything, you know, you're upholding, you know, an important piece of this and we appreciate you and we give you a lot of love and energy, you know, to continue all the stuff that needs to happen as well as dying it. And her loss after 54 years of being together with a person is a magnificent special thing that not very many get to do.

32:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIt's not that you get to be with someone for 54 years and have a true love and be able to do your life's work, you know, is pretty spectacular. So it's a beautiful teaching that we may not, you know, talk about as much, you know, but it's something that really shines through. And Marcus, I mean, you know, you're upholding the space of bringing us together all the time and you have a beautiful family.

32:32BubblemanI just literally lost my power. My entire power went out in my house. I just had a nervous breakdown because the recording on my computer is now gone. I somehow the show kept going. I have no idea how, but I rejoined on my phone. But yeah, Dave's just playing games with me right now. Messing around a bit. Well, I'll just...

32:59BubblemanOne funny dude. None of you will ever know the stress I just felt when my power went out.

33:06SpeakerI was wondering what was happening. David Marcus, David. Well, this is this is happening. You need to be smoking some hash, right? I'm smoking hash.

33:17Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo Marcus, you still have your power. You lost electricity. That's the one. No, I have. I have no. You're right. You're right.

33:25Etienne FontanI have the power in my heart and I have no electricity.

33:29BubblemanThank you, Josh. Well, well, well played. Thank you.

33:33Etienne FontanMarcus, take a dab. Relax. Thank you for putting this together. We understand your stress. I just want to quickly just say my humble thanks. It's just amazing to see all of you here. I have a science support group I've had for the last year. And when David heard about it, he's like, why am I not there? And when do I get there? And That's just the kind of guy he was.

34:10Etienne FontanAlways willfully able to share if he felt you were on the right track. He was pointing you in the direction. And the young scientists I work with are, you know, dealing with the frustrations and the reality of coming into the world of cannabis. And he was always willing to tell them the truth, not miss words, give them the reality that they needed to expect and continues to set them up for success.

34:42Etienne FontanSo. He did it all the way to the end. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to join our last one. He's like, I slept in. I was like, don't worry, you rest. We got this. And yeah, you all now carry a piece of his torch. So carry it proudly. Carry it high.

35:01SpeakerAnd with honor.

35:05SpeakerHey, everybody. I just want to say hi. I'm sitting here with Mel Frank, probably aside from Rob. Jim's known David longer than all of us. 1977. Oh, so Rob beat you by a little bit. Yeah. Rob, love you. Just a little. I met Jim with David, so yeah. Yeah, I met Rob and Dave. I think it was early in 77. Not sure. Was that in L.A.? In Oakland.

35:37SpeakerIn Oakland. Yeah, and... Dave bombarded me with all these questions and I never finished an answer. I guess how I started to answer wasn't sufficient for him or whatever. We go on to another question. But then he came back. And brought me something maybe a few weeks later. And that was a book that he got from the National Archives with samples of hemp in it. Like hemp cloth, hemp rope, et cetera.

36:16SpeakerAnd I happen to have a couple of these. Can we put this up? Yeah. Like this is one, and here's another one. But anyway, it was great for me getting a little more education about hemp. And I was able to put that in the Deluxe Growers Guide.

36:41SpeakerAnd we saw each other occasionally. And in 1988, he came to Los Angeles, I guess, to recruit me to come to Amsterdam. Unfortunately, for doing that, I had just gotten married. I had just moved into a loft in LA, just starting publishing company, Red Eye Press, and just finishing The Insider's Guide. So there was no way I could do that. And otherwise I would have been in Amsterdam with the rest of you guys.

37:13SpeakerYeah, so that was pretty, I would see him off and on when he came here, which wasn't that often, but anyway. But he was really an incredible person in terms of he'd get an idea in his head and he could just follow it through and somehow make it happen. I was always surprised at what name he would use the next time I saw him. One time it was Jingles, next time it was Selvage, which I had to be told that that was Jingles backwards.

37:53SpeakerI wouldn't say he was paranoid because you're not paranoid when the threats are real. And he always felt under threat. He was a good dad. He had his wife and his daughters. Right. Made sure they were okay. Right. He was dad there. Yeah. I mean, I was surprised when he moved to MCM, but he made the right choice, obviously. Right.

38:12Etienne FontanYeah.

38:12SpeakerI didn't like prison. Yeah. Right. Me neither. I'm sure he wouldn't have either. Right. A lot of people, I think, don't recognize this true genius. I mean, as somebody who followed the movement of Marinol through regulation and expected to be able to make a generic THC and started the first private pharmaceutical company directed for cannabis research, aside from a government-funded one like Israel or America. And Rob, you guys were making history on a level that few could comprehend.

38:44DrYeah.

38:45SpeakerIt bothers me the people that kind of came along and didn't understand the work they were doing and would throw shade at them because they were light years. Rob, you guys were light years ahead of all of us. And I thank you for teaching me about cannabinoids and terpenes and just the diversity of cannabis and hashish and gland size and everything you guys taught us from, you know, the International Hemp Association and literally teaching teachers all about cannabis with You know, journals printed on hemp and then peer reviewed and then sent to the educators of the world who didn't know what they didn't know.

39:18SpeakerAnd that was you and that was David. I absolutely admired those little hemp educational kits we used to get from the IHA and the work you guys did to me is underappreciated and misunderstood by many people. And I love you guys for it because what you did to me is legendary and I thank you forever and You'll always be my heroes. I mean, on every level, Rob, you, David.

39:42SpeakerYeah. Thank you. And I spoke to Dave Pate last night, Rob, for a while. Yeah. We were on the phone for quite a while. He sends his love to you and Diana and everybody. And he was devastated with the news as well. Yeah.

40:00SpeakerTough times for all of us. Oh, it's incredible. It's incredible. I feel like our friend was stolen from us. You know, I'm grateful to be on this with you guys today under these crazy circumstances. I've known Dave for about 20 years since Dawn and I left Amsterdam. I mean, left California to follow our dreams and move to Amsterdam and, you know, maybe show some people, you know, us Cali boys can do something.

40:34SpeakerWe always, you know, Well, we try to make the older people that we knew, the Somas, the Dave Watson, the Rob Clark, everybody who came, Mike Richards, all of you guys. Mike Richards. We try to impress you guys because we were the young guys. In awe.

41:01SpeakerWe were the young guys in town and You know, and being able to hang out with Rob and Dave and, you know, talk shit. And, you know, Dave, Dave was the only character, you know, you love the guy, but he could be an asshole sometimes, you know, and I'm not afraid to say because, you know, he could one sentence, he could be holding your kid in your house.

41:29SpeakerAnd next second, next second, he's saying some shit. You know, and I'm grateful to have spent the time that I got to spend with them. I'm grateful to have been able to bring some dry sift hash over to his house that he couldn't clean up. You know, we were always amazed about how he would go into his little room, come back out licking his fingers and have these three piles of hash out of the dry sift you brought to him.

41:59SpeakerYou know, you'd have your trash pile, you'd have your Kyle, that could probably be cleaned up. It's mostly trash. And then you have your a pile. And, you know, it was always always Don and I's goal to just come and bring something that he couldn't do and impress them to the point where he had to say something fucking nice. You know, something really nice. And that's great work.

42:25SpeakerAnd like, the last seed crop Dave did was with our genetics. Um, We did a little project together. This is true. This is all a very true story. I have a big pile of skunk cross slea stack in my possession. Yeah.

42:43BubblemanThat shit was special.

42:44SpeakerThat shit is special. David was telling us just the other day, Aaron, about how he loved the characteristic that he loved about that plant is that you could keep hitting it and it would just get them higher and higher and higher. That was like the top of the pyramid for Don and I. You know, to impress the guy that is so hard to impress and to want to work with you and work with the genetics that you created.

43:12SpeakerI mean, it hits my heart right now, but you know, like that, it's like winning a fucking gold medal or winning first place in a tournament, you know, cannabis cups are cool, but fucking impressing someone like Dave, who's Thank you. Thank you.

43:46SpeakerTo be able to do stuff with y'all, I mean, fuck, dude, like it's, it's, it's, it's everything. And to be friends with you guys still, I, again, I feel like I'm still the youngster in, um, in the situation, you know, I just turned 50, I'm about to turn 51. Um,

44:09SpeakerYeah, it's an interesting time to, you know, to deal with this shit. Like, I'll be honest, like I've been dealing with death from a young age and it sucks and people around me dying. This year is no different. I've lost other good friends. It turns you into the man that you are and you know I try to wake up smiling every day and hug my kids every day and just pass the knowledge that I've learned although I'm not smoking in front of my kids like I they know about weed and I don't know I don't want to ramble on like look I love you guys I'm glad I got to learn I'm glad I got a You know, try to test, true test with terpenes and stuff like that with Dave.

44:57SpeakerFeels weird saying, like Mark said, it feels weird saying his name, you know, because of all his alias. Me and that guy grew up in the same town. We're both from Hollywood. Yeah, I, Look, I can't, it's tough. We lost a real, a pioneer. I would say, I like to use primary colors in cannabis and like, Dave was the primary color in the cannabis industry. He's the, he connected every single feed company that we have in this fucking world in one way or another.

45:33SpeakerThey don't even know us. Some of these guys don't even know Dave Red Skunk. You know, like, These are, he's a pioneer. Like his work will live forever. And that's one thing that is the coolest part is his work will live forever. And everybody that grows a cannabis plant has a little bit of Dave in their grub. And I'll just leave it at that. I'm glad I got to shed some tears with you guys.

46:02SpeakerYou know. I was reaching out last night too, Aaron. I appreciate it. I look forward to seeing you guys, you know. It's been a minute. I don't know if I'll make it to Richmond. My wife's in Miami with my daughter. She just had a gymnastics competition. And I'm home with my son who's, you know, he's got his baseball and basketball and flag football shit. You got a life to live, dude.

46:29SpeakerListen, but listen, everybody... No, I know, but you know, you pay your respects and, you know, for someone that's been to parks, held my daughter... When she was just a baby with Diana at my house and, you know, we're, we were all friends, you know, we might not see each other every day, but we're all friends and I'm not going to, I'm going to pay my respects.

46:52SpeakerI don't mind driving the six hours. That's nothing to me. I'll drive six hours and six hours back home for a friend. Well, if you can be here, that's lovely. You know, there's something that you just said about a little piece of David being in his grow room. And this, you know, this is not going out to this. What I'm saying here is not going out to everybody, Joe Public.

47:13SpeakerBut David's wishes are that all of his friends get some of his ashes. And they incorporate them in with their next crop soil. And David wants to end up in your cannabis and then end up in you and end up in the seeds that we share around the world. So everyone on this panel, you guys are all very close friends of David. If you would like some of his ashes, Fletcher, Fletcher from Archive Seeds has just been incredible in this whole thing.

47:44SpeakerI want everyone to know. He's provided the anchor funding so we can do this memorial, but he's also sourced these incredible hand-blown glass vials that everyone will be shared, have to be shared with some of David's ashes. So if you're willing to take on that responsibility, please get in touch with me or Todd or Marcus, and we'll make sure that that happens. David's entire life was around cannabis and he wants it to continue to be within cannabis.

48:17SpeakerSo we're going to make that wish of his come true.

48:22Collin PalmerThat's awesome. I met David on the forums the first time and You know, as a 14-year-old kid, I read Mel's book, Front to Back, Back to Front. It was maybe the first book I ever read straight through, to be real. And I read it probably 100 times over. And, you know, it felt like a movie almost from reading that book to going to the forums to getting a message from Jingles to not knowing who Jingles was.

48:56Collin PalmerYou know, to getting all this knowledge and, hey, you should be doing this, you should be doing that, read this, read that, sending me information, not knowing who any of these individuals were, meeting Marcus on the forums, not knowing who Bubble Man was. You know, I, you know, I was, I was lemon cake on the forums as a young teenager, you know, like a lot of us at the time.

49:19Collin PalmerAnd then I read Rob's book and, And the knowledge just snowballed and snowballed. And then I was lucky enough to be introduced through Marcus and spend every Sunday that I possibly could here on this show with him. And he was our audience. I thought about this the other day. He was the guy, like Rob, You are our audience. You are our audience. Mel, even Marcus, you're our audience, man.

49:55Collin PalmerEvery time I made something, dude, you got a text message. Bro, check this out. Dude, check how crazy this is. I can't believe it. And it's this constant search that fueled the curiosity, and you all were the catalyst for that. And what sparked me as a young kid Thank you so much for joining us.

50:36Collin PalmerI can't even tell you, it just was so special to me at the time that I couldn't even put it into words to be sitting there sharing my work with you live, you know, and, and Those moments make everything worth it. All the risk that I took in Brooklyn, New York, growing commercial crops like a young, basically an idiot if I call myself that. But because I believe so much in your work and the things that I wanted to follow to become just like you.

51:08Collin PalmerAnd all of you, even, I mean, Adam, dude, Adam Dunn, you know, like... Your work too. Aaron, DNA, your work too. I've had a lot of loss in the past three months. I lost my father in December. I lost my cat of 20 years. And now we've lost our audience and one of our best friends. And I think that for me, selfishly, it's

51:37Collin PalmerThis inspiration that you have all given us and Sam has given us to tell me to go breed, go learn, go test yourself. That's the kind of stuff that I'm forever grateful for. I mean, I'm just forever grateful. I would not be doing what I do today without all of you. No way. Not even a chance.

52:03SpeakerThat's an actual fact on my end too. You guys are...

52:07Collin PalmerSo those that are listening, I stand on the shoulders of giants. And you are all those giants. And I thank you deeply. I can't even... I look at Sam like deeper than a breeder. He's like a philosopher that... It's like a Rubik's Cube that he was controlling and constantly learning from and creating new combination codes for. And I... I don't know. It's like the color wheel that you spoke about, Aaron.

52:37Collin PalmerSam helped us have that color wheel. So did you, Rob. You gave us that wheel. And Mel, and all the work that Aaron, you're doing now and continuing to do with your work and with DNA.

52:53Collin PalmerWe're all fortunate. And I'm just so thankful. I really am.

53:00SpeakerDave was like, The ancient encyclopedia that sat on the shelf that all the knowledge came from at one point. And people would just open up the encyclopedia. But that was like his cannabis genetics. You know, besides his smart, like the genetics are in everything. Like so many, the weed I'm smoking now has somehow come from me in one sense or another. The hash that's in here is, you know, partially responsible for something Dave created, you know, like... Everything around us.

53:38SpeakerEverything around, like, all this cannabis, you know, like, you know, the seed movement, like, just think about it, like, Dave comes to Amsterdam, he brings varieties, he creates strains, he works with Sensi, he works with Neville, he works with every... Everything after that, everything after that, you know, is still probably because of something of his, you know, and like, it's, it's fucking cool. It's cool to see like, it's, it's, it's cool to see my work in other people's work.

54:13SpeakerBut like, a lot of my work probably wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for someone like Dave. You know?

54:20Collin PalmerYeah. You're 100% right. And the thing that I think I hear you saying out of all this is that without that foundational work, I don't know where we'd be. I don't know.

54:34SpeakerI mean, you'd be playing with primary colors, other primary colors, you know, land race varieties. And into what, though? It would be land race to land race, right? And then... And then, you know, you have a new strain, but like, it's not skunk that's, you know, touched every part of the world. Let me tell you, I've gotten so much shit for selling millions of seeds to bulk customers around the world, right?

55:02SpeakerAnd then people see these pictures out in the world and they're like, oh, you're the reason why land-raised varieties are dead in that part of the world. And I'm like, you guys are like, 30 years late on this thing. You know, that's not my fault. You know, talk to the guy that bred skunk. All Africa, skunk. Morocco, skunk. Iran, skunk. I mean, all these places that they grow massive fields, Mexico, South America, all skunk, dude.

55:39SpeakerLike, it wasn't me. You know, I'm just trying to give them more females in their crops. But like skunk was introduced and I'm not saying it ruined the crops because they go back. Morocco goes back to what it is. They're still selling the same hash. You can put in the greatest strain in Morocco and it still tastes like Morocco soil. It's a drop of water in the ocean.

56:01SpeakerIt's a drop of water in the ocean. People get all up all emotional on themselves about this stuff. But you know as well as I do, Aaron, it's a drop in the ocean.

56:11Archive SeedsI think something that's incredible is just one thing is just that there's an entire generation, millions of people around the world that these guys work has made our lives possible. Financially, it created the business, the market, a lot of the morals that whether it's seeds or products i mean the first two books i ever got was marijuana botany and hashish in terms of you know i was 16 and i was ready to grow if you get those two books you're pretty much ready to go and it's just it's pretty much it's pretty incredible The amount of people that this has positively influenced and provided, at least in my case, my entire life.

56:59Archive SeedsThis is all I've ever done as an adult. And I have everything to thank to these men. The house I'm in, it doesn't matter what it is. And I think that's just, it's pretty incredible to be able to enact that much change and benefit around the world to so many people. You're a real one, Fletch.

57:22SpeakerThe realizt. You're a real one, brother.

57:26Collin Palmer100%, Fletch. We love you, man.

57:27SpeakerI love you guys, too. Thanks. Fletch, I got to say to you, I'm going to say it publicly. Thank you so much for stepping up and helping with this fundraising. You've been just absolutely incredible and a rock. And I'm just, I just wanted to say publicly, you know, how much I appreciate you, brother. Love you. And Hill, it's so great to see you here as well. Love you all.

57:53SpeakerThank you all for coming to celebrate David. Did you say Hill? I just, listen, I just looked through the chat. Yes, Hillary's here. I just looked through the chat and I scrolled up and, you know, the one thing that I saw was just hearts after hearts after hearts. David, um, David loved being part of this church. It was really something that he looked forward to on Sundays.

58:19SpeakerDiana was telling me that even just last week, the day before, he was so much looking forward to it. And I think because he got into distress, he wasn't able to make it. But it was something that he looked forward to every week. And, you know, not only the panelists, but everyone in the in the audience to like he really he enjoyed being here and sharing with you all.

58:41SpeakerSo I just wanted to say thank you for, you know, helping give him a place to be and share his his vast knowledge and love of cannabis.

58:54SpeakerI just want to say hi to Hillary. It's good to see you here, Hillary. It's amazing. I think 29 years ago, we were hanging out with Rob and David. I, um, I,

59:06SpeakerI mean, my connection to Rob and David and old Ed and Michael Rich all came through Todd. And I started writing letters to Todd when he was in jail. And we became very fond of each other. And he convinced me to move to Amsterdam in the mid 90s. And Mark, you drove me to the airport to drop me off for yet another grand adventure. And I moved to Amsterdam to be with My then love of my life who I had never met in person.

59:38SpeakerAnd Todd and I met in the airport. This is like before email, I think. And it was a grand, grand adventure. And Todd had this amazing connection of this community of incredible men. And we would hang out in positronics and drink tea and smoke beautiful things and get lessons from the greats. And we were there for almost a year before we moved to California. And I'm not a grower, but what that group of men did They taught me the way that I stand on their shoulders in terms of them being legends in my life is they taught me about the courage and the commitment and the resilience that it takes to create places where prohibition doesn't exist.

1:00:32SpeakerAnd you start with a room, an organization, a place, a city, and it grows from there. And from the inspiration and the learning about The plan, I mean, when I came back to Canada in, you know, in the 90s, nobody was talking about, you know, there being a variety of cannabinoids in the cannabis plant that have different therapeutic effects. Like this was like not the conversation that was happening around medical cannabis.

1:01:01SpeakerAnd yeah, like they lit a torch for me that I brought back to Canada and kept carrying that work and carrying that space and continuing to make places where basically prohibition doesn't exist. And I met another man that was a part of that community of people, Marty, who also is no longer with us, who ended up being one of the most important producers and providers and teachers and generous, generous and very talented grower that supplied my Compassion Club for years and years and years.

1:01:42SpeakerI know that he told me stories about David taking some of his best genetics and giving them for free to Chaling from Bedrocan back in the day because he was starting to work supplying people that were living with HIV and AIDS through the pharmacies in Holland. Is this Blackfoot? Yeah, Blackpaw. Blackpaw, yeah. Wow. When I heard about, when I heard about David passing, the first thing I thought was, I imagine that Blackpaw is probably on the, on the other side, ready to, ready to greet him.

1:02:20SpeakerAnd I, Dave was always very kind and really nice. I mean, people were, Sometimes kind of intimidated by him. He was kind of a legend. He was kind of a legend, very much a legend. And could have a sharp wit and a cutting tongue. But over the years, he was always very kind and very, very supportive. And just kept kind of giving me like, like, attaboy, girl.

1:02:51SpeakerLike, you just kind of like keep at it. And he was always just...

1:02:57SpeakerOne of the really like just forces that kept my chin up when things were really, really, really hard trying to create space for medical cannabis in Canada. So yeah, old Ed and I think Michael Rich is gone now too, I believe. Marty, I hope that they're all, you know, hanging out on the other side. Enjoying the like the bounties of their beautiful work while they're in the spirit world so you know Todd I'm really glad that you um wrote me back when I started writing you letters in jail and uh that we made that connection and um you made me move to Amsterdam because that was a pivotal fork in my life connecting with that community of people and Yeah, totally, totally changed my life and created my work as well, but in a very different way than being a grower.

1:03:56SpeakerWell, thank you. And you know, I love you. And I've always been impressed with all you've accomplished in all the years I've known you, Hilary. So I think we all owe you a deep debt of gratitude in Canada. You helped go change things. And the Compassion Club made a huge difference. And I love you for the work you've done. I love you for the person you are.

1:04:20Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you, Hilary. We love you too. And you really helped pave the way in British Columbia and in the world in that way through not just you, but the whole group and everyone involved here. And we really appreciate it.

1:04:34SpeakerHilary, love. I love you.

1:04:39Collin PalmerLove you, Hil. We all love you, Hil. We love you, man.

1:04:45SpeakerYour energy, your vibration. Everybody here is just reminding me of the very best that cannabis ever could say or do or be or who she is in the world. All of you all represent such an incredible voice. You put a dress on her. You show her out in the world and the words and the language with the books and the stories and the strains, you have elevated this plant, which has elevated the entire world.

1:05:33SpeakerDave was part of, as so many of you are a part of, Elevating the entire world, the work that you've been doing, Ethan Russo.

1:05:50SpeakerEvery single person here on this panel, every time that someone takes a smoke, every person here is a part of that elevation of that person, of that family, of that community, of that world. My gratitude This is so beyond words. To Dave, to Diane for allowing him to do all that he did. For sure, Diane, all the love to you, girl, for allowing him and being his sidekick.

1:06:30SpeakerBecause you have allowed the elevation of this plant beyond our wildest dreams. My gratitude is deep. Thank you all so much. Thank you, Dave. Thank you. Thank you. I'm really glad you mentioned that because I've always seen Diana and David as a team that was inseparable. It was Diana's handwriting on the cultivator's choice catalog. She was there from the very beginning when they started collecting seeds, when they took the hippie trail.

1:07:00SpeakerShe was always just part of everything he did. And And while David got a lot of credit for all of his brilliant work, which he well deserved, I don't believe that we would know David the way we do if it wasn't for Diana in his life. I love them both very much. And Rob, thank you. If it wasn't for my relationship with Robert, I wouldn't know David.

1:07:25SpeakerAnd thank you very much, Robert. It was one of the sweetest gifts you've ever given me. Well, it's my pleasure. Absolutely. That's awesome. I'm going to sign off pretty soon, guys. I'm not good at, and ladies, I'm not too good at doing chat and saying goodbye, so I'm just going to say goodbye and go to bed. Much love, Rob. It's really nice to hear everything everybody's had to say.

1:07:51SpeakerIt makes me feel really good. Love you, Rob. Love you, Rob. Love you, Rob. Love you, Rob. Thank you. Thank you.

1:07:59Collin PalmerGood to see you, Rob. Good to see you, Rob. Have a great night.

1:08:05BubblemanI wanted to, first of all, I wanted to let you all know that I'm having like 95 nervous breakdowns because I'm now on a phone plugged into a battery pack and it keeps like disconnecting every three minutes. And I only heard like every second word that Hillary said. Hello, Hillary. And thank you for showing up. And it's fucking snowing. Going and there's a snowstorm behind me and I have no power in my entire house but my boy is sledding out back and my other boy who's like 250 pounds is shoveling the snow so this is the reality that I'm existing in right now it's a little bit off it has been beautiful to hear everyone's words it was awesome to hear your words Hillary I'm so glad you showed up and I've made Etienne the co-host, so he's going to be taking care of things the best possible.

1:08:52BubblemanI'll just be over here having a nervous breakdown and feeling sick to my stomach every time it goes out that it's still going live on YouTube and that we're still recording everything. So this is the reality I'm existing in. I wanted to thank Adam Dunn for also...

1:09:10SpeakerYeah, of course, please. It just proves that David's alive in the afterlife fucking with us and having a laugh. Oh my God, dude.

1:09:16BubblemanNo, listen, it's even crazier, Todd. Do you want me to prove that that is the case? This fucking guy right here, this fucking maniac right here just drove from Chilliwack through a snowstorm to bring me six-star bubble hash, six different varieties of six-star bubble hash.

1:09:35SpeakerJohn Hatch, Hatch Hash on Instagram, champion of champions.

1:09:39BubblemanI'm like, so David's fucking with me. He's knocked out the power.

1:09:43Etienne FontanMy whole computer system's not working anymore.

1:09:46BubblemanBut he's had six-star hash delivered. He's got six-star hash being delivered, so. He wants you to focus on what he wants you to focus on.

1:09:54SpeakerHe woke up, Mark. Yeah. That very well could be seven-star hash. Colin. Jeremy Plumb, welcome. How are you doing today, sir? Joining us from Columbia. I'm so glad that you parted in. I am so grateful to be a part of this moment to see all of the amazing eldership and care and love represented on this call. And the reality I exist in right now is a bit chaotic.

1:10:23SpeakerIt's, you know, I'm in Columbia. There's technology issues and a variety of things. I'm very grateful that there's a signal now. There's a little bit of a fight to get to this outcome, but I just really want to share from the bottom of my heart gratitude to you Ryan Lee and Rob before he left for the opportunity to have a bridge to David and that I know without your love and brotherhood and eldership there simply wouldn't have been those unbelievably profound exchanges that In a limited period of time, of course, above and beyond Marcus's hosting of Dated Here, there was, I think, some key and pivotal exchange that happened that I am just obviously deeply and truly grateful for, in love with.

1:11:15SpeakerI feel just obviously a bit overwhelmed at the notion that Sometimes when somebody holds so much knowledge and wisdom, even in this vast community, facets of it could be gone, could not be expressed, could be lost. And it's my great hope that through the course of today and any other opportunities that we have to connect or exchange, That we don't lose any of the wisdom and love and care, the insights about the plants, the things that help to continue to usher forward something that is a truly meaningful expression of what we love.

1:11:56SpeakerAnd I think David is just such a mind-blowing storehouse of experience. And I know I can feel that in a sense now. I just... There's that anxiety about what could possibly go with him and the huge gratitude to everybody here carrying the beautiful torch that you do. In any case, a huge privilege to be here today. So much love for everybody present and looking forward to hearing a lot more and sharing moments.

1:12:25SpeakerOne last quick thing. I know that One of my first interactions with David that was truly meaningful was when he was kicking my ass for being involved with the Open Cannabis Project, which at the time was sincerely a very earnest expression for me in an attempt to try to defend and buttress against corporatism in my community. And in an instant, he just he like saw right through this multifaceted web of relations at a level that I could not and gave me the gift of a liberating perspective through like what is the equivalent of a chiropractic adjustment?

1:13:03SpeakerYou know, like a quick, sharp snapping with a loud crack where you start to wonder if a vein could get severed and you could have some kind of greater consequence. But in fact, you're actually just Aligned instantly. That was one of the, I think, first moments I came to understand the magnitude and gravitas that David carries. It wasn't without pain. It was certainly connected to a bigger picture.

1:13:32SpeakerIn any case, I'm grateful to be here. Thank you so much.

1:13:38BubblemanThank you for sharing, Jeremy, so eloquently put. I'm also suffering to the whims of technology. I'm in a snowstorm right now, and my power has gone out, so I'm running this church on my phone right now. So I felt your... The that that energy of like, please just get a signal. Please stop cutting out. Please stop. So very, very beautifully and elegantly put. Appreciate you for sure.

1:14:06BubblemanI wanted to maybe, you know, welcome Adam Dunn. I did his show the other day. I always felt that Adam and Doug were kind of two of the first in the early days to sort of break the dome of Rob and Dave and kind of get in with those guys and spend time with them and really start Sort of slowly extracting all of that incredible knowledge. So Adam, welcome brother.

1:14:28BubblemanHow are you today?

1:14:30Adam DunnI'm great, thanks. I wanted to thank you also for putting this together. Yeah, during the show it was great because we both scratched each other's sort of memory banks there and I was lucky enough to have sort of the safe space in Amsterdam that anybody who really was into growing or into cannabis was hanging out at the time. And Rob actually coined the phrase, the epicenter of the cannabis universe for the CIA, because every day was somebody walking through the door who was now pivotal in the industry, or even at the time, pivotal in the industry, whether it was Stevie D coming through with his crew or somebody else coming through.

1:15:10Adam DunnAmsterdam was like that, you know, living in a funnel at the time. And this is in 90, like, but I would like to say what, which was my initial meeting with Dave was, was classic. It was like everybody's probably along the way was, I was working at Sensi and it was at 91. And at that time, I was just working by myself at the shop because Alan didn't, Alan trusted me and I was just kind of like running the store by myself.

1:15:37Adam DunnI was sort of a manager at the time, let's say. And Dave came into the shop and he was like livid, right? He came in and he was pissed the fuck off. Like he walked in and started telling me about how my boss, which has been drunkers, You know, everything that he had was because of him. The skunk was his, the haze. He went down the list.

1:16:02Adam DunnHe did like a laundry list for me where I was just like, I was sitting there. I was like 20 years old at the time, 21.

1:16:08SpeakerSo I was like, who the fuck is this guy?

1:16:11Adam DunnRight. And then, and so he was like, he made me, he made me like almost scared at the time. Right. So I like called, I called fucking Alan and I'm like, Alan, There's this guy and he's like, he's like ready to tear the shop up, I think. He's so mad. And he goes, who, who? And I go, I don't know, he's Skunk Man or something like that.

1:16:33Adam DunnAnd he goes, oh, that's, he goes, because, of course, Sensi at the time, too, you can imagine, they were so jealous of Sam because Sam actually had, You know, tapped the fucking, he has figured it out. He figured out the actual formula, how to work with this plant legally. And so they basically were on, you know, camp that Dave's a narc type thing. So I, so that first thing I got was this guy's a narc.

1:17:03Adam DunnYou don't want to talk to him. Right. So I was like, oh, like, okay, that's what I guess I have to do. And so for a while I was totally nervous about Dave, but then Rob became the good cop, bad cop situation where I became friends with Rob. And then Rob told me, oh, dude, his bark is, it's all bark. You know, he like, don't you worry.

1:17:21Adam DunnAnd then what was interesting on the show the other day, I had Mojave there and Mo kind of reminded me how Mo really broke Dave for me because he smoked him out with some sage and Dave couldn't deny that he hadn't smoked weed in like years. And he basically took a hit because he felt kind of obligated to take a hit off of a joint. And he really was like, Wow, dude, that's like, where'd you get, like he, it just sparked something.

1:17:48Adam DunnAnd so he got respect from Mo and then from me overall in that way. It was just kind of like, it was a classic way of learning how he really is, where if he likes you, he's going to even be more on your ass. You know what I mean? Because that was what I had, what I noticed. And I always got, I felt really in a weird privileged way because I had Rob to bounce all my ideas off of.

1:18:11Adam DunnAnd the day that I made, actually it was funny because the day that I made my first sort of laminated piece of hash when I pulled out the laminator and I got one here. But when I pulled out a lamp, when I was sitting at my shop and I had my little laminating machine and I was looking down at it and I put some hash into some cellophane, ran it through and I was like, holy shit, I think I got something here, right?

1:18:34Adam DunnAnd I showed that to Rob and then Rob showed that to Dave and they both were like, Super impressed that something they had never seen before had, you know, finally was in front of them, you know, and it was like, so that was my little proud moment with, with, with those guys. But overall, you know, it was just great to have them access to them and any, like, you know, and, and when we did events, it was also really fun because I did my barbecue every year.

1:19:00Adam DunnI had my birthday barbecue in the middle of June and Rob would bring Rob and Dave would bring his hash balls that he would make. Fuck those things, bro. That thing ruined me at your party, bro. Every year, everybody would get a little bit greedy. If you took two, you were done. Because there were like 250 or 500 milliliters. Who knows how much was in there? It was a lot.

1:19:25SpeakerI asked them, one gram of dry sift hash oil. When each fucking ball, because they, I thought I was going to die. They burn your throat as you ate them.

1:19:36Adam DunnYou'd be like, oh my God, what's going on here? What is going on? It's like peppery as hell. Don't spit his out. He would wipe everybody out.

1:19:44SpeakerHe lasted for a long time.

1:19:47Adam DunnYeah, people would call me for the next two or three days. Like, dude, why didn't you tell me? Like, oh dude, I'm sorry. That's not my problem. The barbecue, I kind of lose control, you know, but yeah, he would, he would look at it. Look forward to that every year. And then he did it also on Queens Day. And my mom one time was hanging out with Rob and Dave and she and she doesn't like edibles anyway.

1:20:10Adam DunnSo I don't know why he even did it, but she ended up on a tram. And she couldn't get off the tram. She like had her head against the window. And she called later on. She told me, she said, I just kept going on the tram on and on and on. I just couldn't get off. I see the stop and I'd be like, ah, tell your body to move, but you wouldn't move.

1:20:28Adam DunnYou know what I mean? So yeah. He, he, he, he, he, he liked to do what we all like to do, which is get our friends really, really high. You know what I mean? Like that was, that was awesome. And right now, like I'm sitting here, I got my, I got my matches. I got my, I got my film canister full of hash. I even wear, I even got glasses on now.

1:20:47Adam DunnSo now that I can pull it down to the end of my nose as I, as I pack it and I feel, I feel like I'm channeling him a bit, you know what I mean? So it's pretty awesome.

1:20:56SpeakerCan I say, Adam, and just because you, you, you know, I believed a lot of the absolute bullshit that I heard from Alan and Ben and others and in regards to them. And, you know, I'm really grateful that you brought it up because unfortunately, you know, everybody knows I carry haze and skunk and other genetics I got from David. We were very close and It bothers me to my soul how many people spread the lies that Neville told about David being DEA when it wasn't true.

1:21:24SpeakerAnd then Ben Dronkers and Alan Dronkers and so many others jumped on board and talked mega shit because they didn't understand what he was doing. They had no concept what he was doing with medical cannabis or the research he was doing or the money he was raising or how he was growing legally. And because they didn't understand him, they threw nothing but shade at him. They lied about him.

1:21:45SpeakerThey dragged his name through the fucking gutter. And they, you know, it was just nothing but a character assassination attempt. He did not deserve it at all. He was not a narc. He was not DEA. He was none of those fucking things that they accused him of. And I despise them for saying it.

1:22:01Adam DunnWell, it sucks because other people latched onto it too. And then they became their whole thing. And you're like, Jesus Christ, is this, you have no idea what you're talking about.

1:22:10SpeakerAnd I will say right here, it's not true. It wasn't true. It wasn't true at all. And when we found the affidavit for Neville, we found out it was his own employee. Raymond Anthony Kogo, who turned him in. Let's focus on David. David told me the day before he died, ATN, that I basically saved him finding the affidavit because it was only until the affidavit was found that a lot of these lies that Adam brought up, finally people understood it wasn't David.

1:22:40SpeakerDavid was not guilty. David was not the bad guy. He was the hero in the modern cannabis story. And people should really understand that. And that's why we all love him because of the work he did going back to the 70s, collecting genetics, sharing genetics, sharing information, sharing breeding information, starting the hoarder farm, starting the HAA. All of it was what we owe this guy for. And most of it goes unknown because people spread horrible rumors.

1:23:05SpeakerSo I'm glad Adam's- Well, listen, I want to tell a story- You're on, Jim. Go ahead, Jim. I've been here since the beginning, and Dave has done more for the cannabis world than anybody, anybody dead or alive. And that's the truth. Yeah, it's definitely like a fact, because even when you look at every image of what's going on in the marketing of cannabis nowadays, He had these books with so much awesome art.

1:23:38SpeakerHe was so into the art side of marketing cannabis also in such a cool way. Can you hear me? Yeah. We hear you. Yeah, we can hear you, brother. Yeah, it's just a trip. When I think back about it, when he pulled out, when we get like really high and be chilling, he pulled out his collection of like art. And it was like, that's actually what fueled the whole industry of what we're watching now.

1:24:03SpeakerYou know, he got it then, like he understood like how to present it to people and how flavors were connected to like looks of things, which is just wild to see now. And most people don't even connect that part of it, but I see it all. It's a trip. It's like every everybody who's spoken today has spoke something that he did in my heart also. So. Really awesome to hear everybody say from Aaron, everybody who said their most impactful things matched in some way with what I encountered with him.

1:24:35SpeakerSo it's really awesome.

1:24:36Collin PalmerI think, Rick, you know, one thing I just want to get in here real quick, and then Ryan, I'd love to hear your thoughts. You know, the image behind me Look, I saw this image in your books. I'm mimicking you. You know, I'm looking at your work the same way they looked at Sam's work and Rob's work. And I think others fall in suit. And you gave us that hall pass, you know, from the subject matter point of view.

1:25:02Collin PalmerI've been shooting photos. I have photos in 35 millimeter books right here of all of my work as a young kid. Let me see if I can put this in time. Green screen. I want to just share this because it's so important to me, you know, to share this. I have books from 95 or 96 all the way now of 35 millimeter and it was directly influenced from all of you.

1:25:32Collin PalmerAnd those are the things that, as Rick just said, We're still living that today in modern day. And we're still searching for how to present this beautiful plant to others to show the magic in that mundane that they only see, right? And that's, it's just incredible. And, you know, what Ethan was saying about the Marinol, chasing Marinol and chasing a higher purpose for this plant, I mean, we're all still chasing that, you know?

1:26:04Collin PalmerAnd I think that's well said, man, Rick. I think, you know, it was one thing I wanted to talk about is how my artwork has evolved because of all of you. I used to shoot products and anything I could as a photographer because I didn't have the right to shoot the plant openly. I mean, I did it privately in these books for decades, but it was only because of you all.

1:26:30Collin PalmerYou know, and that's the truth. You know, I used to sneak into the dark room to use the overhead projector in high school, you know, after hours and just like get in the dark room and project it. And I know, right? But I don't know. That's, I digress. I just, I'm so connected to it in a way that is so, the lens is through you all, you know, and I'm trying to mimic that.

1:26:58Collin PalmerAnd a lot of respect. And you've, as I said, you are the audience to me. You know, it's important to me to share, to be like, hey guys, look how neat this is. Look at this new thing that we discovered. It gave me the right to work with Kevin McKernan when I'm not, my background isn't in bacterial science, but we were studying the hot blade and viroid because you gave us that hall pass.

1:27:23Collin PalmerYou know, I don't, I'm learning as we go and leaning on others, but I'm pushing ideas because you push them too. You know, and that's the truth. So, thank you.

1:27:38SpeakerThat's what I'm trying to say.

1:27:40Collin PalmerYou're awesome, Colin.

1:27:41Johnny BI just want to say something here. Everybody here has been a part of this journey, this story. Everybody here, everybody on this panel has influenced me as a medical patient. As in Hillary, you were a huge part of my life. Massive. I just want to acknowledge it, but a lot of people don't know my story, but you guys are all my story. Everybody here has been a part of my story, especially Dave, surrounded by hash.

1:28:04Johnny BRyan's been in my house, a lot of people who haven't. Like, I live this. This has been my life. And you guys are all my mentors and the plant which Dave showed me. And the biggest honor, you know, having all these shirts, and you guys are going to see how big I was back then. You can see the change. This is one of the first shirts I got led into hash.

1:28:22Johnny BIt was pretty awesome. This was awesome. You know, if you haven't been to this, these were big moments in my life that I thought I would never be where I am today. And it was all because of everybody here, everybody who made that difference for one another. And it was really the medical patients and the medical aspects of those books that you talked about. I showed them downstairs.

1:28:39Johnny BI went downstairs when you were talking, Aaron, like, I was like, I'm surrounded by these books. I've, I studied this. I lived it. I saw all the difference. You guys all made a massive difference in all the patients, all the people. Like, wow. And then the one you're talking about there, that was that legend, that hash, that was that other one, Rick, we were at, remember that one?

1:28:59Johnny BAnd that was the one when Dave, like I say, had that hash that I left in the freezer for a year. I made it and I put it in a little jar and I smuggled it out there and I'm so proud to give it to Dave. And he looked at it and he said, oh, I'm taking that. And that was just the hugest pat on my back.

1:29:17Johnny BLike you said, it was just one of those moments that That changed my life. I came back on a plane and met Mark on a plane. And he cleaned that. Dude, that changed my life. You guys changed my life. That dry sieve, my pain, it made so much of a difference in my life. Like, wow. And everybody on this panel. You guys are all my mentors. You guys are all my friends.

1:29:43Johnny BYou guys are all my, I love you. All of you guys are all awesome. And every one of you guys, we've all brought this to light. We've all had the same thing, passion. We have a purpose. Purpose is stronger than you. Okay, everybody here has a purpose to show and give back what we've been given, the tools, all the greats, and we just got given another set of keys.

1:30:05Johnny BAnother set of keys to give to the next generation, because we would not be here. We're standing on the shoulder of giants. I love you guys all. And it was, it was Dave, it was Mark. You brought so much to me. So, oh man, that time we had, like, everybody here, Wade, Etchan, Colin, Todd, fuck Hillary, I love you guys. It's amazing. And it was Dave that brought it all together.

1:30:31Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineHillary, I love you. Welcome. Cervantes and all of the work that you've done and all of the books that you've brought to light as well. It's a group of people here that are very inspirational. Soma, we lived in Eugene before you went to Amsterdam. We were part of the community in Eugene back in those days.

1:30:53SpeakerOh yeah, so we've smoked lots together. We'll meet again.

1:30:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, you know, so many people, so many times. And I think that the lesson is that it's not just one thing to embody. I mean, cannabis is, it's a lifestyle, you know what I mean? And we've, the cannabis can represent all parts of our life. It can represent community. It can represent soil. It can represent style. It can be a part of our travel, a part of our education.

1:31:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd it's the fractal that keeps it fresh. And all these people here are part of the fractal, you know, and we're all carrying the torch. And now Sam is in the other world, you know, in the other realms. And it's to be our guiding force that we can always continue to ask questions because there was a style that In which he answered things that kind of becomes an imprint that you can hear in the future.

1:31:57Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo, Sam spent a lot of time on hash church you know that he didn't have to do that you know he'd already accomplished you know most of the things that he needed to in life but yet he continued to find inspiration in uh sharing you know and i think it's the sharing culture that really brings us forward and sam helped Thank you so much for joining us.

1:32:37Josh Dragonfly Earth Medicineresonated with biodynamic growing and he would always talk about you know doing organic and super beautiful soils for your cultivation and i appreciated that you know because everyone knows there's a million ways to cultivate ganja and here's this person who's got some of the most experience out of anyone and he's upholding the torch of growing it organically And for us, that's important because cannabis is like a piece of spirituality.

1:33:08Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo it's nice when you can put it all together and you can make it a healing earth modality along with a spiritual medicine that changes and makes different cannabinoids and terpenes in different environments. And he helped us see that and see how different varietals would show up in those different cultivation techniques. Big love to Sam, big love to all you, and big love to the past and the future of cannabis.

1:33:48BubblemanThanks, brother. That was well said. I'd love to hear from Soma. I know he has a real funny story to share with us about Sam, Dave. I think it might be the greatest... Like Sam story that I know of. And I've been there. I've been in his shoes. So when we're having a good laugh about it, be rest assured, most of us have done it on some level or of another.

1:34:17BubblemanBut of course, like Dave, he has to outdo us all to the highest level. And so he did this one at the highest level as well. Go ahead, Soba.

1:34:29SpeakerOkay, I have to start with this one story back on Adam's June 15th birthday party in 2003. It was a nice day. It was a nice birthday party. I used to love to go to Adam's birthday parties. They were, it was so abundant and so giving and so sharing.

1:34:57SpeakerI love Adam. But anyway, I went to this birthday party. And Dave, he had those hash balls Adam was talking about. And I never ate one of them. I mean, I had made hash candy and stuff before, but never those balls. So he gave me one to eat. I ate it. About 40 minutes later, I ended up going home because it was getting dark. And at that time, my 24-year-old granddaughter now, back then she was three.

1:35:37SpeakerAnd she was living with me part-time. So when I came home, I had other friends here too. My girlfriend was here. But he said, Opa, Grandpa, can you tell me the story of the three little pigs?

1:35:57SpeakerSo I started telling this story. There was this mama pig. She lived in the forest. She had three little pigs and they grew up and they went out to build their own houses. And the first little pig went out and built this house out of straw. And right then, right after I said the word straw, I went into a coma. Right next to my granddaughter, like, coma.

1:36:27SpeakerLike, thank God my girlfriend was here to take over, but my granddaughter still remembers that. Like, she said, Opa, and I didn't come too. I mean, I had a good time, but like, those hash balls, I'll never forget them. Either will I, Soames. That's some shit. That's some shit I'd never want. Like, that taught me a lesson.

1:36:56BubblemanProps to Don for spitting that shit out. When you said that, when Adam was telling his story, I could hear you in the background, Aaron. Don spit his out. That made me laugh so fucking hard.

1:37:07SpeakerDude, we both put him in our mouth at the same time, and he's like, spit it out. And I'm like, dude, I don't want to be rude and spit it out. Spit it out. The, you know, like the gift of, you know, the dessert that whatever was given to us. I was like, I'm going to eat it. And I got like, literally, I'm sitting there maybe 45 minutes later.

1:37:28SpeakerI thought I was going to die. Ed Rosenthal, Ed Rosenthal was like shooting pictures of the ducks and then started pointing the camera at me. I'm like getting paranoid. I was like, fuck those balls, Adam. Thanks for letting me go to your party, but those balls really jacked my ass up. Thanks, Dave.

1:37:49Adam DunnChoking on Dave's balls. How's that feel?

1:37:53SpeakerI was waiting for that one. Go ahead, Soma. Go ahead, Soma. This one is from 2007. Dave used to come over. I used to love when he would come over to visit me because I knew I would get so fucking stoned. More stoned than fucking anything, you know? So when he let me know he was coming by before cell phones and everything, I was excited and finally rang my doorbell.

1:38:18SpeakerHe'd come in. I knew he would have some of that dry seed. Oh, that full melt dry sea. Oh, man. With such great terpenes. And so we'd start smoking, smoking, smoking. We'd smoke for like two hours straight.

1:38:36SpeakerAnd he'd usually stay for like between two and three hours when he'd come in. So that day, he said, I got to bring my wife her car back. I drove her car here. Her favorite Volkswagen. Oh, no. Love this story. And so we hugged each other. He left. We smiled. We were so fucking stoned. I called him the next day and he said, Swami, you're not going to believe what happened.

1:39:08SpeakerAnd I said, what? He said, when I left your house. My car was stolen. My wife's car was stolen. Her Volkswagen, her favorite Volkswagen. I can't even replace that fucker. And I said, you're kidding. He said, no, man, I went out to where I parked it on Prince and Grok. And it was gone. I went to the police station. I reported it. It's fucking gone. I had to get a taxi to go back home and I go, fuck, man, that's terrible.

1:39:42SpeakerTwo and a half months goes by.

1:39:47SpeakerI call him. I go, how's it going? He goes, you're not going to believe it. The cops found my car a block away from your place with about 75 parking tickets on it. You couldn't see through one window on the sides and the back, the whole windshield. There was no other space to put a ticket. And they finally got in touch with me because there was no place else to put a ticket.

1:40:19SpeakerAnd I finally got it back. I said, oh my God, man, how the fuck can you get that stone that you don't remember where you parked your car? Well, it was a little more complex than that because the insurance had already paid him out for the new car. And Diana really, really loved that car so they ended up buying it back from the insurance company. Wow. My God, dude.

1:40:55SpeakerThat is so funny. Great story. It's amazing. It wasn't David's saddest moment, but he admitted it. It was true. Soma got him so high, he lost his cool.

1:41:05DrYeah, well, even I thought that there was no limit to his tolerance, but apparently...

1:41:11SpeakerHe got me that high. Yeah, exactly. But I didn't have to leave my house. He had to leave, you know.

1:41:18DrYeah, well, you had to be crazy to try to go one-on-one hits with me.

1:41:25SpeakerYeah, I remember the first time. I did it. The first time I remember seriously sessioning with him at the PAX party house. And he looked at me and he said, are you still smoking? That was David. Dude. In 1996, Old Ed Holloway turned 80 years old. And Old Ed Holloway was on the green team that brought David out to work with him and Bernard and Michael Rich back in the early 80s, the mid 80s.

1:41:55SpeakerAnd David brought him a vial of the static sieve separated resin heads that were just unbelievable. You take a little, it was in a little 35 millimeter film vial. You would have loved it. Put a little in your hand. It would, you could feel it start to like almost gel. And then you just push it down. It would squish. The little heads would break. You could turn it into a little ball of black ash.

1:42:17SpeakerAnd as soon as you put it down to like touch it on the table, it would be hard, like glass hitting something. But then you put it in your pipe, put a little heat to it, and it would just turn a bubble and melt away. And that stuff was so potent. I put it under the microscope with positronics. It was nothing but heads. It was amazing. It was one of the nicest Christmas, one of the nicest birthday presents I ever saw somebody get.

1:42:40SpeakerI got to say, I've gotten so high at Dave's house with him that Coca-Cola has brought me back to life many times. Him too. Because that's what it would be is like, let's see how much half we could smoke. And then your blood sugar would drop. And then you need some Coca-Cola to bring you back. I mean, only placement.

1:43:04Collin PalmerOh, shit.

1:43:07SpeakerHe had me out hunting down glass of Coca-Cola the other day.

1:43:11Adam DunnNot to mention he has no problem eating it at all times, you know. So it's 85 degrees and you're like, oof. So you get those hot flashes while you're there, you know.

1:43:23SpeakerOh, I mean, I remember he smoked me out on some purple haze dry food. Over there. And we had been already smoking. And he's like, I'm going to bring out something special. And he brings out, we all get a hit. And I kept hearing somebody like walking past me, right after I smoked this shit. And I couldn't, I'm like, I kept turning there. Everybody, what are you looking at, Aaron?

1:43:48SpeakerYou know, and I'm like, dude, I keep hearing something. I go, wait, that's my phone. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:44:16SpeakerYou know, like some of the big things today, which I wish we could re-educate the entire world, not just our community, is that that THC percentage don't really mean that much. And that it's that terpene that's found with that THC that really drives the high, left, right, up, down, happy, sad, you know, hungry. Like great tasting food. Yeah. Like great tasting food. Can I give the great metaphor that David used to give that when we got high, it was like we were getting in an airplane and going up to altitude and the cannabinoids were the engines that would bring us up and get us high, but the terpenes were the rudders that would direct the whole flight and make it enjoyable.

1:44:58SpeakerAnd I always thought that was a great metaphor from David. Yeah, it truly. Hey, Todd. I'm with you, Soma. Oh. Yeah, I'm with you too. It's so nice. I love you, bro. But do you remember when we were in Las Vegas with Jack? 94. Yeah. And me and you went high as fuck. But me and you went for a ride in your car. It was your car, right?

1:45:26SpeakerA convertible. Yeah, it was the Jeep. It was Natalie's, technically, at the time. Okay, yeah, Natalie. But we went for a ride. And we left Jack in the hotel room in Las Vegas. And that room reeked of cannabis. But we left, me and you. And when we got back, he had gotten busted and he had to pay 500 euros to get out of it. I mean, $500, excuse me.

1:45:56SpeakerThe cops had come, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And we were so lucky that we weren't. We went for the ride and then we ate the mushrooms at the dead show that night. It was so hot in Vegas that the stereo melted in the dash and me and Jack got in the car and we were looking at the dash and looking at each other, looking at the dash and we were like, do you see that?

1:46:18SpeakerI was like, I see that. And the CD was sticking out all straight and we started touching and realized, oh, it's really melted.

1:46:29SpeakerOh, Soma, love you, bro. Soma and I moved to Amsterdam on the same plane with High Times back in the day. And me and Jack smoked on the plane. 3.30 in the morning, we smoked on the plane back when you could have cigarettes on the plane. You know, in those days, with 19 people going to the High Times Cannabis Cup, And people started to wake up because they started to smell it.

1:46:54SpeakerAnd we got rid of it, you know, and we were sitting, me and Jack were sitting there looking so innocent, like so fucking innocent.

1:47:04SpeakerIt's really cute.

1:47:11SpeakerRob and David were the best ambassadors to Amsterdam anyone could ever imagine having, in my humble opinion. I'm sure Adam would agree. Once you started hanging out with them, it was just like the doors to heaven opened up and the information just flowed. It changed my perspective on everything, really. Hanging out with Rob, learning everything that he taught me. I feel like him and David were in a new gym, of course.

1:47:35SpeakerSome of my best teachers ever.

1:47:37BubblemanI will never forget ever in my life the day he decided to show me his static tech trick and Thank you so much for joining us.

1:48:05BubblemanYou know what great secrets there are in the world that could change and transform people's lives. You know, at the time when Dave showed me that he he had given a lot to the cannabis industry and he kind of had it in his mind that, hey, maybe maybe there's a machine to be made or a business plan to be done. And we had talked about it for a long time after he showed me.

1:48:29BubblemanAbout potentially creating a machine or somehow, yet anyone that's ever done the process realizes that it's just so fast and so quick and so effective that if you have a lot of material to work with, you can work through a lot of material in a fairly short time. I pull hundreds of grams off my hand. I would sit around and think of all the resin this man had grown and how all of it got brushed off of his hand.

1:48:59BubblemanBefore it got smoked into his lungs and it just blew my mind. I was just like, I just can't like this is impossible. Anyway, yeah, beautiful.

1:49:12SpeakerCan you tell us what that is? The static?

1:49:15BubblemanThe static tech is, you know, Sam shared it on Hash Church. If you look at the book, the Hashish book, there's a picture of a guy in overalls and he's holding his hands up and they're covered in like finger hash. Well, he had been rubbing the screens in a circular motion and breaking up all the plant matter. And when he lifted up his hands, you know, Dave is standing behind him.

1:49:39BubblemanThis is in Dave's words. You can go back and watch this. I've actually got it on shorts on the YouTube, Bubble Man's World YouTube, where he's telling the story of how he discovered the static tech. And it was very unique because no one, once again, only Dave could have seen it. Nobody else would have seen it. It just, it wasn't a straight A to B. He was going from A to like S.

1:50:05BubblemanLike it was, it was, it was insane. And so he saw this guy rubbing the material. And when he lifted up his hands, yeah, there was material on there, but it was a lot of hash on his hands. And he started like, what the, you know, started thinking about it. So we went back to Amsterdam and got the screens. He started doing it. And in a very short period of time realized that he was creating a static Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:50:52BubblemanStatic, you're creating the static, you're creating the charge, the resin, everything will stick to your hands. That's the thing, like both the capitate stocks and contaminant as well as the heads will stick because it creates, you know, a little area that's charged. But if you're simultaneously pressing on the screen while you're doing the motions, the heads just roll through, but the sharp stock pieces and systolic hairs, they just crumble and push through the screen.

1:51:24BubblemanSo when you're done, you can lift up the screen and you'll have like a talcum powder on the bottom. You can get your microscope out and there won't be very many heads. You can static I'm not sure if you can hear me. I'm not sure if you can hear me. I'm not sure if you can hear me. I'm not sure if you can hear me.

1:51:55BubblemanAt one of, it must have been in 07 or something at his apartment, I asked him, you know, I never had asked him for anything prior to this. And it took a lot out of me to ask. And I guess this was the beginning of kind of trying to open Sam up to the world a little more. Not that he hadn't been exposed to it, not that he hadn't already done impossible things in cannabis.

1:52:16BubblemanI just wanted like people that maybe weren't at that highest level to gain some sort of access to him. And in that moment, I just said, hey, do you, Would you mind if I took a picture of your resin? Which to me felt like asking a famous person to take a picture of them, like they don't like it, they don't want you to ask that question. It very much felt like that, but he just, he looked at me and he said, okay.

1:52:37BubblemanAnd those first pictures I ever took, I mean, that was the first exposure that a lot of people, at least in my sort of smaller community, they just couldn't, no one had ever seen pictures of people, like what Todd was saying. I took that back and put it under the microscope. Well, that was for Todd's eyes. But no one had taken that photo and shared it with the world yet.

1:52:56BubblemanAnd once again, that photo spoke as loud as the secret itself because it was impossible. Nobody could understand how you could get heads that purified and that clean. And of course, It was Sam who was doing it. So that's what the static tech is.

1:53:14SpeakerThe heads were on his hands or on the bottom of the screen?

1:53:17BubblemanYeah, the heads would stick to his hands because the heads are bigger than 70 microns and they don't just break when they get pushed over the screen. They're strong and they roll. The sharper stuff would get stuck in the holes and just break. So it's a two part system. You're pushing. Thank you for joining us.

1:53:53Archive SeedsRight. It didn't stick to my hands. You can do it with like paper and stuff too. It didn't stick to my hands though. I have a double glove.

1:54:01BubblemanBut if it's not sticking to your hands, no, no, that's not it. Listen. I always did it. Not all material works. Only great material works.

1:54:08SpeakerI always did it when it was really, I would do it in the wintertime when it was really cold to keep them from getting sticky. or i would do it inside of a freezer or whatever and it never stuck to my hands but um i just noticed how how you got down through the different levels it get kept getting blonder and blonder i think also the dry shit makes a big difference too if you do it with bubble if you do it with water hashes their heads are a little bit more gently they break easier so i think when you're

1:54:41Adam DunnLike dry sieve is just the best for that, you know, for making seeds. When you're making seeds, that's the best bonus of the seed run. Like at the end of my whole seed run, I'll be like, and that's for me. You know what I mean? That's all you get. That's all she gets. The rest of it, whatever, it's all out the door.

1:54:55SpeakerSo which do you think is more efficient, the dry sieve or the bubble method? Well, bubble. Bubble method. Bubble. Quality. And if your hand doesn't work because it's too clammy, put on one of those gloves, like a little, the little, like, what the fuck am I thinking, guys? Little surgery gloves kind of thing. Because that'll work as well. And what you're really trying to get is the static electric charge, which creates the glands to attach to the rug.

1:55:26SpeakerAnd it's kind of on the outer edge of the fingers. The stuff that's on it is really kind of the smush. And then what's falling through is the non-granulate, the stalks, if you will, and little pieces of dried up plant material that's also what we're calling contamination. But the glands...

1:55:41Adam Dunnare what's kind of in it really kind of grabs to the outside of the glove they're outside of the fingers if you use other things too you can use a film you can use a paint roller or any any anything to kind of create that little

1:55:56BubblemanIf the resin is high enough quality, it will cover much more than the outer edges of your finger, as you can see on this particular picture. When you're doing this process, you have to understand that not all resin worked. Of course, all of Dave's resin worked, but I've used this with plenty of people's material And got the same response of, oh, it's not sticking to my, you know, there's just not enough good juice in there for it to stick to your hand.

1:56:25BubblemanIt doesn't all work. And in regards to efficiency, I mean, Dave used to get one or two percent return and bubble is between 20 and 30. So it's not even close to the same level of efficiency. But in regards to rarity and specialness, it is in a category of its own.

1:56:49SpeakerAnd also because it doesn't touch the water, none of the terpenes are washed away. I mean, the reason that water smells so good after we process water ash is because those terpenes are going and they don't come back. Doing it dry, Steve, you keep...

1:57:03Archive SeedsOn the note of dry sift, I want to let you guys know that I have a bunch of dry sift I've made for Wednesday. So bring your pipe and your screen or whatever. And it's pretty clean. I'll probably throw it in the jet over the weekend, but it's already static.

1:57:20Adam DunnI was going to say, if you didn't static it, you should put a big screen out and give everybody gloves and let them do their own fucking static.

1:57:26Archive SeedsYeah, I've already done the static from the raw and then I just need to throw it. That is a sick idea though.

1:57:33SpeakerGuys, it's so, it's obviously talking to David, it's so natural to slip in the hash. I'd love to bring it back to David and maybe hand Jorge the phone or the microphone and let him share some stories about David if you wouldn't mind.

1:57:50SpeakerHey, George, could I just for a minute because I think Jim's getting a little tired and he's going to want to leave. And George, good to see you, but one minute and I think we're going to split. Let's see you, George. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it's amazing, you know, like, well, I've known, well, Dave now, but yeah, before Sam, Like over the years, I remember when he used to come over to Neville's and sell seeds, you know, it was, and he had like, oh man, he was so far ahead of everybody else.

1:58:29SpeakerIt was amazing, you know. And he always had this air about him.

1:58:40SpeakerPretty incredible. I just went out and puffed some pretty decent hash when we get over here in Europe. Yeah, God. And, oh man, the old days then. You know, you think about old times.

1:59:07SpeakerAnd there weren't really many people around, you know, I mean, in the Netherlands, it was, God, took him forever to change the menu, you know, and there was a lot of really bad dope there. I mean, a heck of a lot. Yeah. And, well, Sam changed all of that. I mean, really, really did.

1:59:36SpeakerAnd the stability, you know, nobody really knew about stable, stable varieties, you know, he just had no clue.

1:59:50SpeakerAnd then he worked a lot with Neville too, or well, they kind of had a love hate relationship, you know.

1:59:59SpeakerBut

2:00:02SpeakerMan, man, he just did so much, so much, like nonstop, you know, I mean, he moved over, what, 10 years before I did, and God, yeah, back then, you know, the Netherlands was like the place to go. We used to, everybody from, well, here in Spain used to fly up there all the time, but that didn't, that didn't really start until Oh, late nineties, really mid nineties, late nineties.

2:00:37SpeakerUm, yeah. Yeah. But, um, Jesus. So I just, I just think back. I don't know. My mind, my mind works. My mouth doesn't always. Um, that's why I learned how to type. No.

2:00:58SpeakerYeah. Yeah. Um, And the end. George, when was the first time that you met David?

2:01:09SpeakerIt was over at Neville's actually. Yeah, he used to have the little, the, well, the seeds, he brought them over the skunk seeds, those, and then later the hay, and then the haze too. But I remember like always the skunk, it was, and then there was haze as well. And Neville was growing both of those. Well, Neville was the, you know, collector for, to resell and everything.

2:01:36SpeakerBut, um, Yeah, it was over at Neville's house, gosh, maybe 95, 96. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's when I remember it. And that was, well, they used to call it the big house by the dike, the cannabis castle. It was an old brewery.

2:02:06SpeakerYeah, and then those those were old times. And then we would see each other. But I mean, I didn't spend tons of time with him. I really didn't. You know, we would always see each other. Periodically, always at the, well, at the cannabis or the affairs, you know, usually the ones, well, it used to be NTV and then later it turned to Green Tech, but I'd always see him over there because he lived close by.

2:02:41SpeakerAnd then the other times I'd see him were, oh, Usually at fairs because that was really when I would go up there to the Netherlands. I lived there for a while, for a couple of years. But yeah, yeah. So I'd see him periodically and it was always, it was always really a trip. I mean, he was wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah, it was captivating guy, to be honest. So, I mean, I wish I had tons of personal stories, but I really don't.

2:03:20SpeakerYou know, I mean, that's my honest relationship with, well, Sam and later Dave, you know. I suppose there's details in between that, gosh, I don't know, I don't remember everything.

2:03:39BubblemanDid you ever smoke his hash?

2:03:42SpeakerOh, yeah.

2:03:44BubblemanYou remember that?

2:03:45SpeakerOh, yes, of course. Of course. I mean, it's impossible not to remember. Well, I mean, impossible not to remember. That's like kind of like an oxymoron. You know, because. Well, you can remember, you can remember like a part of it, but yeah. And also he had that, you were talking about the fine sieve, the, what was it? It came up just before I... The static sieve? Static sieve, yes, yes.

2:04:20SpeakerIt was unbelievable. Very nice, very smooth.

2:04:26BubblemanIt definitely opened my eyes as a hash maker in a very big way. You spend like decades on something. And, you know, I had figured out over the years from reading the right books, obviously, that we've all been mentioning today. Hashish was a big one for sure. But just learning about sifting and, you know, it's kind of actually how the static sift works. Came out because it wasn't certainly publicly shared by Dave ever.

2:04:55BubblemanIt kind of came out because before I learned it, I kind of learned that if I carded the resin and I learned this from the microscopic shots and learning about the makeup of the trichome and I kind of learned that, you know, that the heads were stronger and that the stocks were more brittle. They could break, especially if they were properly dried. Like Adam mentioned, it's not a misnomer.

2:05:17BubblemanDry sieving is dry sieving. And yeah, just the carding, using cards and scraping back the resin over the screen. I did this, it was a very painstakingly slow process. Johnny B and I did it one time for 40 minutes to get like a rip of full melt dry sift in 2012. But it was a way that we were like, I could share this out and give people access if they had the right material.

2:05:44BubblemanAnd they put the work in. They could make this product. And, you know, eventually, you know, it was D420K who was like, oh, I can use the iTunes card. And he was like, he's using the iTunes card. He's like, man, I'm like seeing that on one side, I'm getting a lot of contamination sticking to the card. But on the other side, it's like really pure heads. And then this other guy online who watched the video Darren made was this guy, Mies.

2:06:11BubblemanAnd he was like, oh, because Darren at that point was rapping. The card and parchment or something. And then, or this guy, I can't remember who came up with the parchment idea. It might've been me. He said, oh, wrap something thicker, like a DVD or a book. And then people started using that. They were so close, but no one understood that you could simply use your hands.

2:06:31BubblemanSo it's, it's an interesting history. I'm super glad that the world has access to it now. And if they like, they can You know, they can make some beautiful dry sift. I think to this day, it's as rare as a unicorn. There was years ago, I spoke at the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam and I asked the whole room, I said, you know, who has flour? And every single hand went up.

2:06:49BubblemanAnd I said, well, who has like really beautiful water hash? And like maybe 30 or 20 hands went up in the room full of people. And then I asked who has full melt dry sift? And no hands went up because Dave wasn't in the room.

2:07:06SpeakerRamon had some soon. What was that, next year?

2:07:12BubblemanYeah.

2:07:14SpeakerNext year Ramon had some, right?

2:07:16BubblemanOh, Ramon, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure when. This was early. When I spoke at the Academy, this was early though. This was years earlier.

2:07:24Johnny BAnd through all that, bounce came into play for me. It was that first bounce on the screen when I got those purist heads and I started, because I mean, the sift for me was such a huge part of everything. It was learning it, trying to, we tried so many different ways and Then all of a sudden it was kind of like, I would just put in chat and I just said, fuck it.

2:07:45Johnny BAfter Tan had shown me, I put my hand into a pile and started moving it around and my hand came up and I was like, holy fuck. And like, what, what, what, that was the change. Really understanding that, that carding that you showed me, Mark. Wow. Wasn't that fun? Darren, everything.

2:08:03BubblemanI liked bursting into laughter after, but yeah, it was just one more thing. One more thing that Dave had his fingerprint on, which was so insane because it was like whether, you know, the first, the first time I saw Dave in person speaking, which Richard Rose just posted the other day was, was at the 1997 Hemp

2:08:23BubblemanSymposium in Vancouver and Dave was speaking at it and Richard Rose just posted a video clip of another Dave, David Malmo Levine, a longtime cannabis activist from Vancouver, was asking Dave Watson, aka Skunk Man Sam, on the podium, you know, what he thought about, you know, people getting arrested and this, that, and the other thing versus industrial hemp and It was just neat to see. I was like, that's the first time I saw Dave.

2:08:49BubblemanThat's exactly he was wearing the hemp clothes. I saw him speak. He was very just like curt and quiet and quick. And he wasn't like hanging out for long periods of time. And I had been a, you know, a hemp activist for maybe three or four years at that time. We had just gotten hemp growing legally in our province for the first time in 73 years, probably a year or two prior to that.

2:09:12BubblemanAnd so I had known the work that he had done in hemp more so than I had known the work that he had done in cannabis. And yeah, 97, I didn't actually meet him or speak to him that year, but it would be just a couple of years later that I would create the bubble bags with Mark Rose. And that seemed to be my introduction to Skunk Man Sam.

2:09:35BubblemanHe absolutely had to know who is this guy doing this. Always had his finger on the pulse.

2:09:43SpeakerCan I tell the story of the last time I talked to Sam? Please. So just FYI, I moved to Colorado in 2019 because I was getting sick of growing illegally. And every time I was going to grow something, I would always call him or email him and get some recommendations. And then the last time I called him was probably a year or two ago, and it was a Skype conference.

2:10:19SpeakerAnd I was so honored that he didn't hide his face. You know, it was like the first time I saw him where he, you know, and then, you know, I was asking him all these questions about like how to do, produce female pollen. I wanted to know the best method because I wanted to make some selves and some crosses and, And at the end, you know, I learned a lot of cool stuff from him.

2:10:47SpeakerBut at the end of the talk, he goes, I don't know, we were talking 45 minutes or an hour. And he goes, by the way, normally, you would have to pay $1,000 to talk to me for this long. And I was like, I'm so honored. Thank you. You know, that was the last that was the last time I talked to him like face to face, but except for emails and stuff.

2:11:13SpeakerBut yeah.

2:11:17SpeakerThat was my little last. I haven't been on Hash Church for a while. I apologize. I'll probably start coming more often now. So.

2:11:29BubblemanWe're happy to have you, Scott.

2:11:31SpeakerThanks. Mark told me about it and sent me the news. Thanks, Mark. That's usually when I would show up, when Mark would invite me. I think I was on twice before.

2:11:45BubblemanI appreciate Dr. Mark inviting you.

2:11:50Dr Mark ScialdoneWhat's that? I was just going to say, I too had, you know, extended Skype calls. I went back and looked at our record and we started talking to each other in 2016. And, uh,

2:12:07Dr Mark ScialdoneHe really had a kid's curiosity about cannabis chemistry. And I can always tell you, like, he would just light up, you know, when we would have these discussions where I would basically give him the chemical basis for what he's observed, you know, and then he would always he was always so proud. That he had worked with Mishulam and kind of like worked with the folks who started understanding how these things work then their pharmacology.

2:12:45Dr Mark ScialdoneSo he knew Roger Pertwee, who was part of the team that discovered the CB1 receptors and the anandamide. And he knew he knew the late Will Devane personally. So he was, even though he was this OG grower and he loved to get high and he loved all the aspects of the outlaw side of the weed industry, he really had forged this bridge with the International Cannabinoid Research Society and When, I don't know, when you brought up his name and you were talking about, you know, like the starting of GW Pharmaceuticals, yeah, there was some kind of like, I guess, you know, Not to say that it was ill will or anything like that, but just always this notion that, oh, well, that's the pharmaceuticalization of cannabis.

2:13:48Dr Mark ScialdoneSo now some big company is going to come in on the heels of an OG grower and an OG breeder. And I know, Ryan, I know, did you try to reach out to John? John probably didn't respond, but... John and you, Scott, have this connection too. Like, why don't you tell everybody about that connection?

2:14:10SpeakerWell, yeah, he was one of my roommates in graduate school for, I think, two years. And he was writing under the Bushman for Cincinnati Tips. And I started reading. And there's nothing in here really about breeding. So I volunteered to write some breeding articles. And that's... Under Chief Seven Turtles name. And nobody knew who I was until I retired.

2:14:40SpeakerWas the first hash church that I attended that I told everybody who I was, you know. Yeah, but I haven't been able to get a hold of John either. In fact, I've read a lot of his papers with Ethan. So this is the first time I've seen Ethan, you know, like this. But yeah, incredible amount of work they did on cannabinoids and stuff.

2:15:07Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so those of you who don't know, we're talking about John McPartland. Yeah. I think he was the co-author on Taming the THC, or was it the Sum of the Parts? I think...

2:15:21SpeakerSum of the Parts.

2:15:22Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, Sum of the Parts, right. And... You know, it was that article that, you know, you talked about, I think the boiling point of THC. And I was like, hey, man, you forgot that Mishula measured this under a vacuum pressure of 0.05 atmosphere. So everybody thinks the boiling point of THC is this atmospheric pressure, and it's not. And yeah, I don't know.

2:15:47SpeakerWell, yeah, so John's up here in Vermont and he's a doctor and he's an incredible cannabis researcher that he was also co-wrote with David and Rob Advances in Past Research or Past Research, is that what it was? Right. Walk on the name. Sorry. Well, he is like maybe one of the most prolific, prolific cannabis writers on a whole width of top. It's not not one single stream, but he published on the plant.

2:16:17SpeakerHe published on insects. He published on. The cannabinoids he's published on so many things.

2:16:23Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, he was an origin in cannabis use, right? I mean, it was in his article, the one that found the seeds and the residue of this in Asia as opposed to Africa.

2:16:38SpeakerI don't know if that was one of these. When I was living with him, he was working on his master's in mycology. So he was an expert on fungi. And we were growing mushrooms, of course. And we had like a mushroom parties every week. But he told me that he was going to write a compendium of marijuana diseases eventually. And he did. Yeah, he's updating it right now.

2:17:06SpeakerScott, we can't let you go by too here without mentioning that you were the one that brought reciprocal recurrent selection to the cannabis community. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't know for 30 years whether anybody read those articles because I was incognito. And I got a note from some guy in Spain. I still don't know who he is, but he called himself the urban trichomologist. Does anybody know who that is?

2:17:35SpeakerNo. Um but that was his like handle and he said it he said that uh it changed his whole breeding program and that he said it was one of the coolest papers he ever read and i didn't even i didn't know because i was out of the loop for like 30 years you know well it showed people that there was a different way to look at it i think was the most important thing not that rrs is not an interesting technique it just it broke the mold for a lot of people allowed them to look Outside.

2:18:07SpeakerAnd yeah, that article was highly discussed on the forums. I was oblivious to all that. I didn't even know it was being talked about until... It's, you know, I still don't know the extent of it, really. Well, it's like when you go back through the archives, when people are going back through these old records, these old books and finding these things and saying, look, back then there was people talking about this kind of thing, you know, and it didn't catch on for most of the culture, but I think it did for a lot of people.

2:18:38SpeakerWell, that's how they domesticated corn, really. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Hillary, I also remember walking through the commercial space, the pharmacy with David and Marcus and you together one day. Do you remember that? It must have been 2009, Marcus? This is in Amsterdam? No, in Vancouver at commercial. Oh, in my place, at the Compassion Club. Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember what year that was, but yeah, he definitely came to visit.

2:19:07SpeakerYou guys brought him to come and see the club.

2:19:12BubblemanThat's awesome.

2:19:13SpeakerYeah, and I remember we had a bunch of black paws strains on the menu. And Mark, I'm trying to remember the name of like, all of those genetics had all come from Dave. And there was the strawberry, but remember, there was the... Oh, gee, there was the box, there was...

2:19:31Johnny BThe crush.

2:19:32SpeakerThe crush, that's the one that I remember.

2:19:35BubblemanYeah.

2:19:36SpeakerYeah.

2:19:37BubblemanThe crush, that was special.

2:19:39SpeakerWhat was the, what did we call the kind of hazy sativa that we grew that grew up the lattices of the big grow room? So of this farm that was, you know, all of the genetics came from Dave that supplied my Compassion Club for so many years. Mark has some incredible photos. In that he built one of the huge rooms in the barn to look like the huge theater in Amsterdam where tons of the shows were that I can't remember.

2:20:13BubblemanThe Paradiso.

2:20:14SpeakerYes, exactly. So he dug out the floor of the barn to get more room for the height for these plants to grow. And it was all just planted in like soil in the bottom of the barn. And on the second story, he built a walkway that went all the way around the edge of it so that you could kind of tend the plants from the second story where the lattices grew up.

2:20:40SpeakerAnd then he put in a chair. On a, it was like a chair that you would use for what, like picking apples or something, Mark? Like where did that thing come from? But you would hook yourself into it, open the gate from the second story, and then- It was a zip line. Yeah, like hit the button and you could like cruise through the top of the county to deal with these beautiful, beautiful buds that must have been like, I don't know, 14, 15 feet high.

2:21:10SpeakerDo you remember what plant that was, Merc?

2:21:15BubblemanOh my god, it definitely would have been crushed. I think we put some, like maybe got some... I want to think of if he ever had sweet skunk. It was, it was like the narrow leaf drug cultivar room. And it was, yeah, that is the only photo. It might not have been sweet skunk, but he definitely had crush in there. There was definitely crush. There was multiple varieties.

2:21:37BubblemanIt wasn't just one. He planted like, I'd have to go back and look at the pictures.

2:21:42Johnny BWas it the strain called the Max? Because you guys had a strain. Because that was a huge part of my life in 2005, 6, 7, 8. So I was smoking all those strains like crazy. And that sativa that would help me clean the house was called the Max. And it was always bringing a couple times. And I waited to buy that. It was awesome, by the way.

2:21:59Johnny BSo you got me on memory lane. I can see the menu right now. I can see the poach. I can see the Legend Ultimate Indica. I can see when things came in, when to buy. It was like I went in there in a wheelchair and I walked out of there late. It was awesome. So... Just like, was it the max?

2:22:14BubblemanDo you remember what the sign on the door said, Hillary, on the way into that particular part of the grow room?

2:22:21SpeakerOh, my God. I can. I'm trying to.

2:22:24BubblemanIt was a little square sign and it said, give weed an inch and it'll take the whole yard.

2:22:33SpeakerYeah.

2:22:36BubblemanAwesome.

2:22:37SpeakerI spent so much. I spent so much time at that farm, but mostly in the trim room. That valley between Blackpaw and Jimmy, that valley produced a lot of medicine for the club. Yeah.

2:22:51BubblemanIt absolutely did.

2:22:53SpeakerAnd I mean, that's my sort of direct but indirect connection with Dave was the genetics that Blackpaw had and his growing style that came from their kind of shared expertise of that collective of incredible men. And then the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of patients that we were able to improve their life dramatically because of those genetics. Like I got to experience it on sort of a different part of the relationship in terms of getting to distribute it and touch thousands of people's lives.

2:23:31SpeakerThanks to those guys.

2:23:33BubblemanWell, you definitely did an absolutely incredible job and no doubt that it wasn't, um, It wasn't, it was, it was definitely seen.

2:23:44SpeakerWell, it took a village, right? It's not, that kind of a project is not something that one person can do. It took people like you to be willing to go pot shopping for me when no grower in the world would touch me with a 10-foot pole because I was the biggest heat score in the country.

2:23:56BubblemanHeat score, Hillary! That's what we'd call her.

2:24:02SpeakerOh, you were a beacon, Hillary. I mean, I was across the country and following your work and what you were doing. You were... You were laying a path behind you. You were burning a path with your heat. But also just carrying on the work that I had been taught, right? Like the time that I lived in Amsterdam, the year that I spent with those guys, with Todd sitting around the table at Positronix looking at hash and learning about trichromes and learning about like the culture and the revolution.

2:24:38SpeakerIt's just carrying on the work, right? And we have so much left to do. There's so many countries where we don't have medical access and we still have prohibition in place. And there's so many countries that are doing it wrong where it's, you know, there's the path has to be continued on, you know, and now at least we have another.

2:24:59Etienne FontanWe're still working on that.

2:25:01SpeakerYeah, we are. Yeah, we are. It's lovely, so lovely to see all of these beautiful humans, some faces that I haven't seen in a very long time. And my beautiful friend has just made a gorgeous breakfast and so I'm not going to make her wait anymore.

2:25:21BubblemanOne more minute. I just want to introduce you to Wade Laughter. I don't know if you ever met Wade. He's in the room right now and you guys need to know each other.

2:25:29SpeakerOkay.

2:25:30BubblemanWade is very much followed similar paths in your footsteps of supplying and helping out catastrophically ill children with free cannabis through the Caladrius Network with Forrest and his son Silas. And I just, I thought I would be remiss if I didn't just get you guys to say hello to each other. What a perfect day for you to meet Wade and Wade for you to meet Hilary Black.

2:25:54SpeakerHello, Wade. A pleasure. Hello, Hillary, and thank you, Marcus. Yeah, I've heard of you, Hillary, for years. And I have to say that it's been very interesting for me to be here this morning and listen to all of you folk who knew David for so many years and had so many opportunities to work with him and share space with him and share smoke with him and I'm sort of at the opposite end of the spectrum on knowing David.

2:26:30SpeakerI knew of him for years. I'm pretty sure I grew some of his genetics. I met him here on Hash Church a number of years ago and very much felt a kinship with him. And then, I don't know, two weeks ago, Two weeks ago, Ryan Lee and David Watson showed up at my farm and sat here outside in the sun with me for a couple of hours.

2:27:05SpeakerAnd Hillary, I don't know that It's probably inappropriate of me to say so, but I'm pretty sure you were there in spirit because we laughed about so many different things. And there was joy. There was joy in what the plant can do. And anyway, thank you, Marcus. And yeah, it was a joy to have the opportunity to hang out with him. And then In a certain way, there's grace and torture.

2:27:41SpeakerI had the opportunity and the grace to hang out with him and know him in person, literally for a couple of hours. And then the next bit of input to my heart and mind about David Watson was the fact that he had died in a hospital just down the street from where I live. And it was a devastating moment. On the one hand, I felt such a connection with this man.

2:28:12SpeakerAnd then to have it cut off in that way was, yeah, there's a grace in it and a torture. So anyway, I'm going to go back to listening. I have a lot more to say, but there's some really amazing people here. And I'd like to hear what they have to say about this man. Because again, I really had not much of a chance to know him, but I very much, it was funny in the three hours that we spent together, I ended up very much feeling like this man is my older brother somehow.

2:28:51SpeakerAnd what I've heard in this panel is he had a gift to give that experience to many people over and over. So yes, I feel grateful to have met him. I feel grateful to know him. And I will henceforth, I will henceforth have him in my heart. Wade, you got to see David at who he was that afternoon. I mean, I was there, so I know. And I also know I recorded a little bit of those conversations, so I just want you to know I also have that that I'll share with you.

2:29:33SpeakerYeah, he was, David, David was very pleased to come over and spend some time with you. I know. Haven't driven him there at home, so.

2:29:41BubblemanI have to release Hillary because I delayed her. Hillary, thank you so much for showing your beautiful feud and thank whoever made it for you and we'll see you soon.

2:29:52Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLove you, Hillary. Have a great day.

2:29:55SpeakerYes. Thank you. And a real pleasure to meet you.

2:30:01Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd welcome, D.

2:30:03SpeakerGuys, I hate to do this again. It just seems so cheap in the context of David, but I just want to again ask the viewers, if anyone can contribute or make a donation, we're doing a lovely memorial service for David that's going to take place next Wednesday. All are welcome. It's going to be in Richmond, California, from 12 to 6 p.m. at Riggers Loft Winery. Everyone is welcome to join.

2:30:31SpeakerIt's really family first. Please don't come in and light up a whole bunch of joints in the facility. Everyone is happy to, you know, consumption can take place outside. And we will be having a place, a separate event from 12 to 10 p.m. at a local place. Consumption Lounge, Legal Consumption Lounge that ATN has found called Rooted in 510. But it's going to be a lovely facility.

2:30:59SpeakerIt's a beautiful place. It looks like the weather is cooperating. And we're going to honor David's life. And if anybody can make a donation, there's links. I think there's probably links in the Hash Church description and on all our social media.

2:31:13BubblemanIt's in the chat right now, pinned to the top of the chat.

2:31:17SpeakerI really want to thank as well Lele Dubois and her nonprofit organization, Humboldt Grace, that have really beautifully and generously stepped up to take on the fundraising logistics. And with your help, we're going to be able to give David this really beautiful ceremony for he and his family. And everyone is welcome to join us.

2:31:41Etienne FontanAnd I want to give a shout out to Ryan Lee, who has stepped up this week to be there for Diana and the family. And I want to thank the community for rallying around them and stepping up. I also want to thank And I want Michael Krawitz to pop on here. Dave was a collector and Michael Krawitz is a collector. But Michael Krawitz changed the world in the sense that he worked at the UN and works at the UN and is guiding me at the UN as we work towards 2030 legalization.

2:32:19Etienne FontanBut Dave gave his contributions while we were in Vienna last year. And of course, I went and visited. I was very fortunate to be invited over by Dave and Diana and my wife and I went. And Diana, of course, took a picture of me and Dave together. I was not allowed to take a picture of Dave, of course. I was allowed to take a picture of the cat in the hat that was sitting on the seats.

2:32:43Etienne FontanAnd I used that when we were at the UN last year. Which brought, of course, a great laugh and cheer to the UN people in attendance. But he thought not only of the past and the present, but he thought of the future. So Michael Kravitz.

2:33:01SpeakerYeah, ATN, thanks. I'll tell you, it's an amazing moment to share with you all. I've been listening with great interest in everything that everybody said. Um. I can't remember when I met David. For the life of me, I cannot remember. I could tell you what we were doing, what I was doing. And sort of a life quest for me is this connection with the history of cannabis.

2:33:39SpeakerAnd it's not just looking for things or objects or artifacts or collectibles. It's connecting with the people that That those artifacts represent and bring that history to life, you know, just the quest for a tangible copy of the Indian Hemp Commission Report or, you know, the 450-year-old cannabis extract jar that he has on his shelf or whatever. And, um, It just brought me on a path where I met him rather early, I'd say, in my work.

2:34:32SpeakerI got to sort of sit at his knee, if you will, and learn from the master what his plan was, what his vision was. And this was at a time, it had to be in the 90s, I guess, at some point. And I first went to the United Nations in 1998 and brought all this knowledge with me. And the folks on this call today, I mean, it's a who's who and almost a chart charted guide, a guided charted tour of that path of that.

2:35:11SpeakerIf you study the path, And the history of everybody that talked today on Ash Church. Piece it together in a montage of some kind. And you'll have that path. It crosses so many different, you know, sort of, Parts of our lives and pursuits of our mind and places of our heart. But anyway, it's been a true honor, absolute honor to even be a fly on the wall of any of this.

2:35:51SpeakerI guess you could see me as sort of the guy with the diplomatic case, you know? I was the guy, and you know, it was in that diplomatic case was everything that you all succeeded at, everything that you failed at, all our common knowledge was in that case, and that's what we brought to the world body. The last thing that David got to do, and I'm so glad that he got to do it, We did a rather pioneering side event last year at the UN meetings on drugs.

2:36:26SpeakerThey're called the Commission on Narcotic Drugs, held in Vienna, Austria in March every year. And we had a meeting on ending cannabis biopiracy. And David and I have had some pretty lengthy discussions about the vision for the future of how to handle cannabis genetics. In the big picture, it's a crossroads where as a people, as a world, as a culture, as cannabis enthusiasts, and his words are pretty powerful and carry a lot of wisdom.

2:37:09SpeakerOn what we should be doing next. Not what we did in the past. I'll tell you what it's saying straight away. It's not a continuation of what we've done in the past. As someone said, his words can be cutting and his thoughts very concise and he was no less here. It's a course for us to chart that's not going to be without pain, but it's important for us to move forward.

2:37:38SpeakerSo anyway, much love everybody and wherever you are, David, I'm sure you're enjoying The universe is splendor. I hope, I hope, I hope so.

2:38:00SpeakerHN did a big hit last night, this California orangey smelling thing, and it had this incredible skunky file note at the end. And it just, when I smelled it come into the air, I thought to myself, there he is. There's Sam. There's skunky Sam still with us right in the middle of our session. And I always will, every time I smell that thial and so many other scents that he showed me.

2:38:28SpeakerI mean, I got to do the terpene challenge with David, you know, spiking resins with various terps at his house. Every time I'd go over, we'd pull over the terps. I remember the first time he brought them all out. He dropped a piece of paper in front of me and we numbered it. And he took me through the, I'm looking at his avatars, I'm saying this. He took me through the list one by one And had me write down all the words that I smelled when I went through the terps with him.

2:39:00SpeakerAnd I remember him picking up my results like it were a test and him, you know, him looking over Diana and showing her and he had this real kind of proud, kind of amazed smile on his face. And he lined my paper up with his paper and they were almost identical. I think the words that I had chosen to describe every variety or every terpene, sorry. It was exactly as he had written.

2:39:27SpeakerThe only difference was that I really loved Earl Gray Tea. I really loved Linalool, which is the predominant scent in Earl Gray Tea, and David did not like Linalool. But, you know, aside from that, you know, he taught me everything. I mean, he taught me everything about scent and how to approach it. I mean, he told me about You know, the work that we did at Napro where we essentially proved that terpene inheritance was independent from cannabinoid inheritance, that was based on something that David had told me before, that he and ATN and Rob had crossed a haze variety to a CBD variety, like a hempy variety, and they had made an F2 or an F2 of the cross and isolated a plant that smelled like haze, but it had zero THC content, and that just blew David's mind.

2:40:17Etienne FontanClarify, that was ATN DeMeyer, not ATN.

2:40:20SpeakerYeah, ATN DeMeyer, yeah. Which, you know, it's funny, when Stefan mentioned that ATN and Stefan are the same name, I didn't realize that, and Stefan is also Stefan Meyer, so there's another quick little, you know, coincidence, but... Yeah. Hey, I got to take off. I had eye surgery a couple days ago, and I can't watch the screen anymore. No, you rest up, George. Thank you for coming.

2:40:51SpeakerMuch love. Great to see you. I look forward to crossing paths with you in real life soon. Much love, George. Take care. Good to see you, Jorge. Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks a lot. Thanks for coming out. Miss Dave. I do.

2:41:09BubblemanYeah, I want to welcome D420K. He spent many, many an hour on panel with Skunk Man. And we were texting earlier and I was like, well, do you want to come on and share? And he was like, yeah, I want to come on and share. So welcome. Mother lovers. The dry safe general.

2:41:29SpeakerYou know, to start off, thanks a lot, Mark. Good to see you, brother. City to see you in these circumstances, but. It's good to see everybody and rest in peace, skunk man, Sam. Thank you very much for everything you did for us. You know, I remember, I remember when you came up here and you flew up to Prince George and you did a video or one of our, one of our first ones together on the dry sifting and stuff.

2:41:56SpeakerAnd I made a pile and I had a pile already made up and you came up and you see it. Yes. I went somewhere. I went to get us something to eat or went somewhere and left you alone in my shop. And you separated the piles. And when I come back, they were already separated. And you gave me and Johnny a bit of a hint on what was used, but couldn't give up the secret as you gave your word to Sam that you wouldn't.

2:42:28SpeakerNow, You said they were something that could fit in your little pouch, your fanny pack there that you flew up with, something that could fit in your little pouch you could buy at any hardware store. It was electronic. And me and Johnny, man, me and Johnny and thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of people went down that rabbit hole for a very long time. And I believe I remember clearly Those piles that I used, that you cleaned up for me, I took off of.

2:43:09SpeakerI was using the leaf on this top screen with my hands, with the black gloves. And the fucking sift was on the gloves. And I wasn't figuring it out, but you had it right there. Right there, I had it on my hands. And then when I took it, like I thought, oh, fuck, that's pretty good on the hands. That's another little way and brushed it off, put it through the screens and then use the card.

2:43:35SpeakerNow, that card was the one side, like I tried all kinds of different cards, like, I don't know, there's one video I had a box of all kinds of plastics and, and And all the, I don't know, I don't have the words for all the fans and plastics and shit, but John, you were probably there in one of the, on, yeah, you were on video with me.

2:44:01SpeakerWe're doing all this stuff, going down the rabbit hole, testing all kinds of different things and what sticks to what. And the iTunes card was the best sticky one side, then the other side was contaminant. You just had to do it one way, pull it or push it. And then there was the little bit of residence. So I'd brush that off and I'd make a little pile, like a loony size pile in about two, three days of sifting, literally two, three days of hours and hours and hours of sifting, pushing with the card on the 73 screen.

2:44:36SpeakerAnd then Mies had the parts with paper with the CD covered in the game, the game case or the DVD case. And it was like, holy shit, that side of the card was now sifting off, picking up like 0.3, 0.5 of a gram worth on the parchment. So, holy shit. But the rabbit hole that we went down for a very long time, and what a trip that was.

2:45:07SpeakerBecause me and Johnny, me and Johnny sat for, fuck man, you know, I... Sorry to swear, you know, I really don't want to taint this with any bad language, but wow, what a trip it was for us and everybody watching us. And man, I wish Skunk, I wish Sam was here to just have a giggle at us and say, you know, you guys really tried, like good on you, but wow.

2:45:39SpeakerWow.

2:45:39Johnny BIt was the passion, Darren. It was the passion. Remember, Mark didn't know either in the beginning because I know when he learned and he still didn't tell us. And there was those years that we were all having fun and we were carting like crazy. And that was the best part of it. We all got to experience it together. That was the state of emotion going on. It was like it was given to us to actually bring it to where it is today.

2:46:01Johnny BLike we all had that moment in time where everybody here has gone down a rabbit hole. I know Colin has. I know Dragonfly. I know you guys have. Kelly and Josh. I know Aaron. I know Mike. Everybody here. Mark, I know you guys' passion. That was the fun.

2:46:16SpeakerOne of the things that stuck out to me that Sam always said, and he asked me this a couple of times, Is, uh, where, where, where have you been keeping your dry sift? Where, where did you store that at? And I'd say, oh, I had it out here. He goes, put it in the freezer, the fridge. Always your turps will stay good. And I was like, so I got, I got, I got sift.

2:46:41Johnny BAre you cleaning it?

2:46:42SpeakerFrom, no, this stuff needs to be cleaned.

2:46:48SpeakerThis stuff, this, this stuff that needs to be cleaned is already, Really clean from just the trim bin. That fabulous little trim bin. This stuff is nice and clean. This is nice and clean too. You can see the way it rolls. It's just the marble effect, right? So, Sam, you taught me lots. You taught me how to learn, how to try. And keep on trying. And when the black glove came out and the picture that I seen on what Mark put up just earlier was like, we had it all.

2:47:37SpeakerWe had it. We were wearing the secret the whole time. Don't doubt me at all. Kudos, Sam. Miss you, man. It's good to see everybody. And you know, let's, can I take like 30 seconds for everybody to have a nice moment of silence while our torches are blaring all across the world on the internet so we can have a mother-loving bong rip to Skunk Man Sam like he's never had before.

2:48:14SpeakerDude, I'm loading it up, the masterpiece.

2:48:16Collin PalmerBong rip. Masterbook. I love it.

2:48:19BubblemanCome on, Darren. Love you, brother. If you guys got something loaded up, I think it's a beautiful time. If you don't, don't worry. We'll hit it for you. Don't feel compelled. If you got something, let's do the bong hit.

2:48:31SpeakerWhat a beautiful homage to Mr. Skunk.

2:48:34Johnny BThat's some Medimac.

2:48:36SpeakerThe bong hit that was heard around the world.

2:48:38BubblemanAnd of course, this goes out to all the people in the chat room as well. Yeah, it's great to see this.

2:48:46SpeakerThis is for everybody, everybody that's on this, that's watching, please, let's do it.

2:48:57SpeakerAll right, you leading us in, D? You bet.

2:49:02BubblemanI'll be 10 seconds.

2:49:05Speaker10 seconds.

2:49:09SpeakerSmoking that cannabis resin.

2:49:15SpeakerI'm very proud to be able to do this and honored.

2:49:19BubblemanThanks, Mark. Are you smoking with matches over there, Adam?

2:49:23SpeakerOf course.

2:49:24BubblemanDude, that is what's up right there.

2:49:33Adam DunnSome matches, right?

2:49:36BubblemanYeah, you guys want to hear a funny one? You want to hear a funny one? My Puffco just died.

2:49:44BubblemanNo, no bong rib for me, mother lovers. Oh, no. David Marcus.

2:49:50Etienne FontanDavid is just on your ass today.

2:49:53BubblemanI'll smoke an extra for you. Ah, yes, you will, Kelly. Yes, you will.

2:50:03SpeakerMy name on the thing for D430K, I messed up making my name when I put it on for this Zoom. Sorry. I've seen a few comments with question marks.

2:50:16Etienne FontanYou can rename it. You can go into your thing and rename it. It's okay. We still love you.

2:50:20SpeakerWell, you know, as Mark knows, in the beginning days of Hash Church, we had so much tech problems and it would drive Mark Kind of nuts with us. Like we would be, he'd be like, okay, have it set up. This is what you got to do the day before and everything. And sure as shit, us and everybody else was like, oh, I can't do this. I can't do that.

2:50:40SpeakerAnd he would be just emailing, emailing and all of it. Shit. It was a, it was a good time. It was just a little share session of burning and smoking live. Hey Mark. And look, look at where it is today. Wow. I thought D30K was like the next level or something. It's like Hash Church, the digital or 2.0 or whatever. I've seen that and I was like, oh, no, it's just D420K still.

2:51:13SpeakerJust me, man. One thing I forgot to add about that last conversation, Sam told me that he doesn't really like Skunk. He told me that he doesn't really like skunk. I was like, yeah, I'm the same way, man. I said, I'd like the sativas. He's like, yeah, my favorite stuff is like tangy, and I don't even smoke skunk. The skunk was what I remember when I was a teenager the most was that real that skunk that you know when when if you grew it if you knew somebody that grew it you were you were very lucky to be a part of that little little tiny circle because it stunk so much and it was so it usually was cut down early and stuff because people are so paranoid to smoke it and or to grow it and everything like that like Like, wow.

2:52:08SpeakerHe used to knock me out. I couldn't even handle it.

2:52:14SpeakerAnd he used to turn me on to Tangy. And I actually grew a variety that was a cross between Tangy and Bubba Kush. And it was awesome, man. It had just a little bit of the skunk in it and a lot of the orange in it.

2:52:33Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe have a Tangy Chem D 91 going on right now, which is super good. And we're loving it. But we also, I remember the skunks from Southern Oregon in the late eighties, early nineties. And, uh, Thank you for joining us.

2:53:06Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you so much for joining us.

2:53:30SpeakerThank you for joining us.

2:53:56SpeakerThey were just breaking even. And it was like, I think this guy Sparrow, he quit and became a taste tester, you know, for, I guess, laboratories. He was like the wine taster.

2:54:14Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDefinitely ran across him and other growers from the area, you know, back from then too. There was Williams and Sunny Valley and Wonder, you know, Murphy. There's just so many classic zones, Cape Junction down there and everything.

2:54:32SpeakerHe was in Vance Pass. That's where he was.

2:54:36Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThat's what I was thinking. And maybe up around Sunny Valley during a period of time, which is just north of...

2:54:46SpeakerI think it's great that every area, Southern Oregon or Northern Cali, and then people in even in Northern New York area, everybody always wants to claim that their terroir is the best for skunk. That they've got the best skunk. Everybody brings the best skunk to the table, no matter where you are in the world, you know.

2:55:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSouthern Oregon has good skunk.

2:55:15SpeakerAnd I just think that that's such a beautiful tribute to our dear, dear friend that You know, no matter where you were back in the day and no matter where you are now, whoever's got the greatest skunk in the room is always the most revered. I mean, even though I love the hazes and I want to smoke that super high terpenylene and all those orangey ones and, you know, everything but, uh, To open up a bag or a jar that's got that skunk is just takes over the room.

2:55:49Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineIn our family in the mid-70s, Captain Jack was one of our original growers from Southern Oregon, and he just died recently. So Captain Jack was one of those original growers back in the day. We've got a lot of great people here. We've got a lot of great people here. We've got a lot of great people here.

2:56:28Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineYou know, obviously Skunk Man Sam provided a lot of those genetics that even went to Hawaii, you know, because during Taylor's camp and all of the super freaky hippie stuff that was going on in the early 70s, it's kind of connected with British Columbia at the time, too, who were kind of dodging that zone. But there was a Beautiful story, you know, of cannabis. And it's amazing to think of Sam just, you know, being able to provide the origins for that, you know, and then just continuing to be relevant and super interesting.

2:57:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAnd I love that he loved THC the most, but he had such a legacy in hemp, you know, and CBD as well. So.

2:57:15SpeakerYeah, I got a here's a picture of Sparrow. I don't know if you guys can see it. You ever met that guy? He looks like he looks like he could be on the cover of a seed packet.

2:57:33SpeakerHe's a cool dude.

2:57:35Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineDefinitely loving the Atari shirt that he's got on there.

2:57:38SpeakerYeah, it's like. And like the third year I was there, he was out of business. I mean, I called him later and he said, yeah, I'm doing taste testing now. He goes, I can't even break even. He was growing a lot of, what was that one that was really strong back then? Oh, shit.

2:58:02Johnny BI just want to remember, I was just thinking right now of really being at the Legends of Hash and smoking out of that bubbly and having that experience that was really the Legends of Hash and all those different flavors that went through that bubbly. I'm just thinking, Mark, about how many Legends of Hash that were actually part of that whole journey. Who was here at Legends of Hash?

2:58:24Johnny BI know Ryan. How many Legends of Hash were there that Dave was at? I was at a few of them. And being able to try all those different flavors, remembering all of those different flavors that came from all those regions that you guys were talking about. Because all those flavors came in. Everybody all around brought in all these different hashes. And I remember being able to be a judge at one of those.

2:58:44Johnny BAnd... I was in 2014. That's why I have this shirt here. I was a judge at one of the Legends of Hashes. And just what an amazing group of people that came in from all around with all these same stories you're all talking about right now. And that's what Dave did. He brought all these stories together. And everybody was talking about the hash. And there was no pictures.

2:59:03Johnny BSo I don't know if there's any pictures of any of these events that ever happened. So it was just like that journey that he took us all on. It was, it was an amazing journey. And just, just kind of thinking about that. And I was real sitting here thinking about that and got our bongs out and Darren was doing the rip. I was thinking about that first hit I did in that big, that big bong mark.

2:59:24Johnny BAnd boy, that was the fire that was thrown in there. All the hashes that were thrown into that. It was, it was pretty cool. It was really cool. All those flavors.

2:59:32SpeakerI just found out recently that skunk flavor is not even a terpene, right? Skunk is not a terpene. And Mark, it's a sulfur compound, right, Mark?

2:59:46Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, they're pre-related sulfides.

2:59:49SpeakerThey call it prenatal file.

2:59:52Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, so the prenatal group is the precursor to terpene. So they're kind of like... They would widely fit into the class of terpenoids because they have a precursor to terpenes in the, like the C5 renal group comes from terpenes, right? From terpene biosynthesis.

3:00:16SpeakerWell, I knew there was sulfur in there. I mean, that's what gives it the smell.

3:00:20Dr Mark ScialdoneYeah, and they're like an order of magnitude lower in concentration, or even like three orders of magnitude. What am I saying? I mean, these things are, our noses have developed sensitivity for these things down into parts per billion, even lower than that. So that's why they're used as the thing to flavor natural gas, right? Because natural gas doesn't have any smell to it at all, but... Yeah, Sam was super interested in those compounds.

3:00:48Dr Mark ScialdoneAnd the guys from Abstracts had reached out to me, both Ian and TJ, and had mentioned that Sam was interested in... In getting samples of these prenatal sulfides, but they're so stinky. I mean, you can't, it's not like a vial of terpenes where you're like, okay, this is beta-caryophyllene, this is limonene. Those compounds are so stinky. And Sam was interested in, you know, Sam, you said it a bunch of times here on Hash Church, right?

3:01:26Dr Mark ScialdoneHe's like, Yeah, terpenes not only modulate the cannabinoids, but they potentiate it. And so modulate means what? Change the activity. But potentiate basically means basically turn up the volume, right? So Sam was totally interested in doing that with the thiols, but The thiols are so potent that you couldn't just take like a dropper and say drop it on a nail or anything like that. I mean, they're just so more potent than terpenes that you couldn't sample it.

3:02:11Dr Mark ScialdoneBut absolutely, I mean, and Marcus, we've talked about this. We're going to have an issue or an episode on Hash Church soon with hopefully the volatile thial sulfur episode. And we'll get Nick and those folks who are basically looking at these same compounds and hops. Yep. And yeah, I mean, you know, Sam was definitely a... Yeah, it's interesting you say he doesn't, he didn't like skunk. I think he was breeding something for something that didn't have the skunkiness flavor when he found it.

3:02:48Dr Mark ScialdoneBut when he found it, I think he knew he had something special, right? And skunk number one was, yeah, the precursor, I think, to... To just about all of that. I mean, didn't like the genetics of Chemdog and eventually Sour Diesel all stem from Skunk? I might have that wrong.

3:03:09SpeakerYeah, if you look at the pedigrees, like everything has Skunk in it almost, you know. Yeah, but it doesn't have the terpene profile. Skunk was kind of the first one of those plants that like had kind of the same terpene profile as Blue Dream and Like granddaddy perps and that whole family. It was like mere scene with pining. Influence for sure. There's an episode where Sam, um,

3:03:45Collin PalmerI think maybe last season where we discussed skunk and he talked about skunk number two, obtaining that heavy rank smell that he did not really like very much. So those that are interested that want to find that nugget, it's out there.

3:04:06SpeakerI think people associated that smell with potency. You know, they thought if the more. Yeah, they thought pungency equaled potency. And to a certain degree, I mean, it's true because scent plays such a role, as we've said today, but driving the effect. But pungency and potency are definitely not the same thing.

3:04:27Dr Mark ScialdoneWell, because the molecules are so volatile, it is a measure of freshness, right?

3:04:32SpeakerYeah, so yeah, and that's the one reason terpenoids and THC are kind of linked is through freshness. But we showed in our work that they're actually not tied together, that high terpene content is not tied to cannabinoid content. Listen, guys, my battery is going to die here. I just wanted to say one thing before I go. And I know people don't want to, this is not about us.

3:05:03SpeakerThe reason that Marcus and my names and ATN's name appears on this tribute fundraising was so that people didn't think that this was some fly-by-night scam. We wanted people to understand that it was people that love David that were backing this project. And so we never really, you know, we didn't intend this to be We present. It was just so that there was some accountability. So I just, I hope people understand that.

3:05:30SpeakerAnd, you know, this has been a really difficult thing, obviously, for all of us to go through. I wouldn't have been able to do it without support of Marcus and Kelly and Josh and Etienne and Donna, his wife, have been so, so helpful. Of course, Lillian Dubois with the... Humble Grace Project stepping up and my dear friend, Alison Cox. There's just been so many people that have stepped up to offer us the support to allow us to try to be selfless and do the right thing and honor David.

3:06:05SpeakerAnd I just, I want to recognize you all and thank you all.

3:06:10SpeakerI couldn't have got through this without each of you. And I just, I really appreciate you all for being there. So thank you so much. And Wade, you too. You've been there through this whole thing with me as well. And I just, I'm so glad that we got to spend some time with David.

3:06:28BubblemanWell, thanks for coming in today, Ryan. I appreciate it. And I appreciate everything you've done. You've definitely been extremely helpful and a solid voice in the chaos of grief. of uh you know losing the losing losing our buddy it's not so easy but we will celebrate him here forever on hash church and i'm definitely going to make sure and if anyone's listening actually that's really good at this skill i'm looking for sort of an intern or two to help go through all of the hash churches and pull out all of the conversations that dave was involved in i kind of want to make a compilation of all of his words on hash church so that any it might be two or three or four shows i don't know how many hours that man spoke for during our hash church episodes but it's certainly going to be some hours i suspect and so we'll make sure to To get that out there.

3:07:26BubblemanSo if you sound like a person that might be good at that kind of thing, hit me up.

3:07:34BubblemanRemind you guys that the donation link is up in the live chat. I want to thank Heritage Seed Bank, which you guys can check out at heritageseedbank.com. They help sponsor today's show. They're a big promoter of Archive Seeds as well as many others. Fletch has been absolutely unbelievable in the level of which way he stepped up in his donation.

3:07:55SpeakerI didn't say Fletch as well. Yeah, Fletch has been just an absolute gangster of joy and hope. Generosity. Fletch, I'm sorry I didn't say your name before. I was trying to get everyone up, but you have been central pillar, helpful, and I'm so grateful to you.

3:08:18Archive SeedsAbsolutely. No problem. I'm just happy to be here.

3:08:22BubblemanAbsolutely, dude. And also thanks to Craft Greenery, who kicked down a nice sponsorship that will go towards... David's End of Life Celebration here in California very soon, which we mentioned, we talked about. All the links will be up in the description of the video. And we still have an hour to tell awesome Skunk Man Sam stories. I feel like you got at least another one left in you, Adam.

3:08:50BubblemanYou got great stories, dude. Like, you spent a lot of time with this guy.

3:08:55Adam DunnI mean, yeah, it's like, like I said, the, I think the, the thing that always stands out the most is the, the, when you, you always got pushback, right? So that was my thing. And like, but whenever he gave you that little look, like you were onto something, you know what I mean? It was like super rewarding. Story-wise though, let me think. You know, I think, I think the key was that back in the day when I was doing it at CIA, because most people didn't know who he was.

3:09:33Adam DunnAnd I never, just like we say, now it's weird to say his name properly because you're always calling him Sam or Gangles or whatever name he had at the moment. You know what I mean? So I would have a lot of times people there who didn't know who he was and really didn't It was kind of fun just to, when he left the room, to kind of tell them who this person was.

3:09:59Adam DunnBecause I never stayed in front of him because it was always kind of embarrassing to, it's like when you meet somebody famous, you don't try to make them think that, you know, you care. You know what I mean? You're kind of at that moment. So I had a couple times where there were some growers there who didn't understand who he was. And really we're like pretty much because it was like the kind of classic flat bill cap time period, you know what I mean?

3:10:25Adam DunnAnd everybody thought that they were smarter than the rest. And I had these guys that came in and it was the one time I saw like he left the room because he knew he was getting like emotional at that point because these kids were like challenging him But not, nobody was correct at that point because it was, you know, it was pre, pre buzzwords and he was talking above them the whole time and they didn't understand what he was talking about.

3:11:01Adam DunnSo they, it was like, you know, pre terpene, pre everybody knowing what a terpene was, or like we were talking about earlier, I had a description in my, in my catalog about A plant that had terpenes and terpenoids that only a mother could love is what, and there's a line that I used in it. And I looked at it the other day and I was like, this is from like 1995.

3:11:22Adam DunnAnd like, nobody was even thinking about those things. You know what I mean? Of course I spelled it wrong. I think I spelled it T-U-R instead of T-E-R. So I had no idea what I was doing either, obviously. But, uh, Now, I don't know. Yeah, it's like I don't have a direct story so much about him as much as just the vibe that he put out. And, you know, the fact that I was always super happy to have him and Rob involved.

3:11:48Adam DunnAnd at that time period, which is 91 and or between 93 and 95, sorry, which was the CIA days.

3:11:58Adam DunnKind of like you said earlier, Marcus is like, I felt like we were we were the kids, we were the young kids and They were the generation before us and like we kind of opened up the doors to them to be able to hang out with the kids you know what I mean and that's kind of where I felt like I don't think he ever stopped from that point on it was kind of like the doors were open but before that I think they just were just working really hard you know what I mean so I kind of got to see the the moment of it's almost like when you get to see your grandfather chill out too you know what I mean like you get that vibe where When we first met him, he was very, very combative and everything was difficult.

3:12:32Adam DunnAnd then the last time I saw him a few years ago, it was like hanging out with your grandfather who's now ready to tell you all the secrets. And the funny other thing too was with the whole static tech is that you actually cracked the code. You actually got him to tell you directly how to do it. I begged him over and over. I'd be like, dude, I know it's static.

3:12:56Adam DunnI just don't know how the fuck you're doing it. Like, and he wouldn't tell me. Like, he literally was like, looked at me like I was crazy. And I was like, is it a wand? Is it a, I was like, it's gotta be some sort of a wand or something, right? You're like, you're, you're placing this wand over the hash. And he would always be like, nah, nope, nah, you're, you're wrong.

3:13:11Adam DunnYou're wrong. It's not a wand. And I'd be like, then it's something. And I had, I actually had a guy who used to work for him who told me like the balloon tech of like, We're up at the table with the balloon first, put the screen on top, and then screen the hash over that, kind of clump up. It would clump up in little circles, you know what I mean?

3:13:30Adam DunnSo that was like, I thought that was the tech. It was funny, though. Now it comes down to something so simple as a glove, you know? So we should actually honorary Dave Watson gloves, you know what I mean? Like, just have them made.

3:13:42SpeakerAdam, I got to tell you, dude, I was listening to your show yesterday and you made me laugh so hard because I'll never forget David telling me about the doot-da-doo. So I had a really good chuckle thinking of you saying that and remember Dave going, doot-da-doo.

3:14:00Adam Dunn100%, 100%. Yeah, it's funny.

3:14:07SpeakerI tried the wand as well. I remember that.

3:14:11Johnny BDidn't we, Darren? I had the thing vibrating on screens because we thought he was using things to vibrate on screens. We had speakers.

3:14:20SpeakerThe dremels, the Sanders, the vibration of the Sanders, everything you could, every way you could think of. This is fucking crazy that I'm going to get that. And wearing the black gloves. You can move all that shit.

3:14:35BubblemanJust move all the... Yeah.

3:14:37Collin PalmerSo, you know, Adam, was there ever a time where like, you know, Sam's gear was like really fought over where people are like, you know, no, you can't have this kind of like it was with your bubble gum. And then all of a sudden people like force their way into it kind of thing.

3:14:56Adam DunnI mean, not necessarily. No, not really.

3:14:59Collin PalmerNo. So like it was just that widely available.

3:15:05Adam DunnPretty much. Yeah.

3:15:06SpeakerYeah.

3:15:07Collin PalmerYeah.

3:15:08SpeakerWell, when I had a stash and Mark came up to check it out with do some filming on how I did it and that sort of stuff in one of our first videos, he when he seen the jar of the bubble hash or not the bubble hash, the dry sift that I have that I had, it was a very nice amount that I don't think there was many amounts of that quite quality of Thank you for joining us.

3:16:03SpeakerI want this like he just didn't he just looked like a kid in the candy store and just and then we did that bong rip that I did that monster bong rip that was one of the another one of the first that fucking deer destroyed me the bubbling up on the on the what was it the d-nail the d-nail was the big thing well like like talking about earlier at legends I remember also uh when when uh

3:16:30Adam DunnYou know, everybody likes stands on the conga line, right? To get up to the hubbly bubbly.

3:16:33SpeakerThe conga line.

3:16:37Adam DunnAnd then I got up to the thing. And it was funny because it was Rob on the right side and Dave on the left. And they were both, they both had big just chunks of hash. And Dave was so fucking happy because everybody was like, I came up and I just started ripping on it. And I just remember thinking to myself, like, I'm not going to pussy out.

3:16:58Adam DunnI'm going to go as hard as fucking possible here. And I stayed on that thing. We watched Rob just throw grams and grams of hash on top and Dave throwing it next to me. And they just kept throwing it in. And they were like, holy shit.

3:17:10BubblemanYou don't have to be on camera.

3:17:12Adam DunnYou're going for it. Right. And I had that moment where it was just kind of like, you know, everything kind of falls away because it's just me, Rob and Dave. And I'm just puffing as hard as I can. And it was like, you know, I could see Dave real proud. He was like super proud. He was like, oh, look at him go. Look at the kid go.

3:17:29Adam DunnYou know what I mean? And it was just like, it was definitely, when you get to, like you said, kid in a candy store, he was like loving life because he had, you know, 20 people in line and he had a, He had ounces of hash and Rob was sitting right next to him. Same thing. And they were just dropping them in, dropping them in. It was funny.

3:17:48BubblemanI'll never forget that night at the Artiste. I remember hash being lit the bong up. He lit it. It's true. Dave was proud. He was literally a kid in the candy store. I don't think I've ever seen him, even since that Legends, that excited because that was very early on.

3:18:07Adam DunnHe was sweating bullets because he was so happy. You know what I mean? He was just like a big wet mess.

3:18:12BubblemanWell, for the first time ever, everyone was smoking as much hash as he was.

3:18:18Adam DunnYeah. Yeah. That was great. That was like one of the first ones, right?

3:18:23SpeakerI remember them asking us, is it okay if we open the window? There's still a couple of other non-party residents at the dinner table here. We were smoking out the restaurant so bad. Yeah. What a great night, though.

3:18:37Archive SeedsDefinitely an experience.

3:18:39SpeakerMarcus, I got to take off. I'm going to a meeting of people that have near death experiences. Wow, interesting. Yeah, there's a group in Fort Collins, Colorado here. And I sort of had one. So I'm really interested. And what's they have to say? I don't know. There's a lot of videos about it on YouTube. It's really very common, actually. Nice seeing you, Chief Seven Turtles. Yeah, thanks for inviting me and especially Mark and Marcus.

3:19:18SpeakerIf you guys want me back, just let me know. Just send me a note.

3:19:21BubblemanAbsolutely, man. I'll get your email from Mark and put you on the list and send you out the invite so you can join us. All right, thanks a lot. Thank you, man. Enjoy your meeting.

3:19:32SpeakerYeah, maybe we can summon Sam.

3:19:37SpeakerAbsolutely. That's a show in itself right there. All right. Later. Bye. Have a good one. That's the one thing I know is that Sam is with us. We will be carrying with him with us. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. All right. Every time you smell the skunk, that's Sam tapping you on the shoulder and saying. All right. Bye, everybody. Cheers, Scott. Cheers, Scott. Yeah. Thank you.

3:20:06BubblemanWell, I got my power back. I'm on my computer. I feel good. I've got the chat open now. I don't know how Zoom just kept going when my computer lost all power, kept recording, kept streaming to YouTube. It took me like five minutes before I got in on my phone and I was like, okay, I think it's all working. That sort of freaks me out that technology is at that level that you can, this computer was operating everything and it lost all power in an instant and somehow it never stopped Streaming to YouTube or recording in the cloud.

3:20:41BubblemanI'm very tripped out.

3:20:43Etienne FontanWell, you made me co-host, so I was able to keep continuity. So I'm just as kind of gobsmacked as you, sir. But I'm glad you're back and have things back going. Thanks, Dave. That was funny.

3:21:00Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I'll just say in the next five days up here in British Columbia, at least it's going to be minus 11, minus 10, minus 12, minus 13. So it's super good time for dry sifting. And, you know, if you're an annual farmer and you got like the ganja and you get it once a year, you know, you kind of keep some of it for those coldest times of the winter.

3:21:25Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhen, you know, you got the whole environment working for you because when you bring like herb or anything out to that environment, it's just super dry and everything just falls right out of it. So we're super excited to go through some of the different varietals that we grew this year and do some static tech, see what kind of dry sift we can get going from the farm.

3:21:46BubblemanOh, yeah. I can't wait to see that. Big, big fan of the melty resins.

3:21:55BubblemanI can share now, actually. Might as well share a little melty resin. This one's the Yeezy blend of melt that Hatch brought over. I'll get my Macro lens out on this eventually, but it's just beautiful, beautiful. Like imagine in a snowstorm. First of all, anyone in this room knows the energy and time it takes just to get the right genetics, have enough understanding to grow and allow the plant to express itself, process it to perfection, keep it cold, keep it like it is in powder.

3:22:25BubblemanIt's just like I can just scoop it up with a beautiful scoop. It's utter and complete six star perfection. This particular one, he's got five other ones here. Event Horizon Melt, which is one of my favorite ones. It's already kind of starting to self-press as the office is a little warmer than, actually, I'm going to put it in the baller fridge right now. I don't need to mess around.

3:22:51BubblemanThe Honeymoon Week, you'll like it. Oh, yeah. Anyone else have some things they want to say or stories they want to share? Now's probably a really good opportunity to do so.

3:23:04Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineI'm excited to grow some of this Oishi Rose Especial that we got from Bo's Nose. He just got first place in hash, or was it... First or third at Ego Clash. But anyway, so the Oishi coming from Archive is super nice. They got Fletcher and the crew there were definitely appreciative of all your work as well. Going into it and just continuing to move forward into the next year with enthusiasm, even though there's a lot of kind of downtrodden vibes out there.

3:23:43Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWe'll just forever be those people that are stoked and really looking forward to the next year and growing the next varietals and just keeping the spirit going. That looks beautiful, Marcus.

3:23:54SpeakerI also wanted to say that I think I'd love to be planning something in Barcelona. So many of us are going to be together there. And a lot of us internationally will not be able to be in California. So there's a lot of us who are not allowed to be allowed into the US. I'm a citizen, but a lot of friends are not. So sort of worldwide.

3:24:17SpeakerSo I'd love to plan something really beautiful, a little skunk sesh for our dear friend somewhere at a club. So just stay tuned on that. Or maybe something is already being thought of, Marcus.

3:24:30BubblemanI love the idea of celebrating him as the ultimate legends for a Legends of Hash. I don't know if I have the energy to get that done by March 15th or whatever it is at this point in time. I've talked to Lorenzo a little bit about it. You know, he certainly was one of the founders of Legends of Hatch, and he, like the story that Adam told earlier, it was one of the most excited I've ever seen him, like truly a kid in a candy store, just so happy.

3:25:01BubblemanThat there was one evening where the whole focus was our love of hash. And I think part of it that made it special back then as well because Sam was so private was that there were no cameras allowed and no cell phones really for people to kind of go on and sort of be pulled out of this moment. And because we were all willing to share the moment simultaneously, something about that made the moment even more special.

3:25:30BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:25:42BubblemanPretty much as high as you've ever been. I've seen a lot of people, you know, I've seen Wally Duck's hair start on fire because he passed out on the table and then the candle lit his hair on fire like the Australian grower, Wally Duck. Some hilarious, hilarious stories. At one point in time at a Legends, there was a TV that was wheeled in and it was like old school, like the one that would like get wheeled into your classroom when you had to see like a movie in the like late 70s or early 80s.

3:26:09BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:26:27BubblemanAnd smashing that hard and then kind of moving on. And it was just this super surreal experience of, okay, we got this going on in the TV. We got this lineup of people going and the most excited, you know, people were so excited, not just to be smoking hash and enjoying hash, but really legends seem to evolve around the fact that It was Dave Watson and Rob Clark filling that pure dry sift into the bowl, into the hubbly bubblies that were in the book Hashish owned by Sid, the gentleman that lived above Rob's apartment on the Tolstrat.

3:27:06BubblemanJust this beautiful collection of people and a real unique perspective and love of cannabis and hashish and to be able to... You know, kind of be creating our own culture With an event like that, it was more of a cultural event then. And, you know, got to thank the whole High Times, really, because they were throwing an event that brought all these people and all we were really doing was harvesting, you know, what we considered the most ripe and terpene rich people.

3:27:39SpeakerIt was the cup within a cup, right? It was the cup within a cup. It was the elite, you know, you'd know you'd made it in the Amsterdam scene if you got... Or you were recognized in the Amsterdam scene if you got the invite to that event.

3:27:55BubblemanDave turned it into a cup, too, because honestly, it was really never going to be about that. At the first one, sitting down, he was like, all right, let's see everyone's hash. You know, I want to judge everyone's hash. And it just, in that moment, legitimately turned into, I guess Legends is kind of a contest now.

3:28:15SpeakerYeah, but the thing that I liked about Legends, it didn't ever feel like a cup to me. It felt like, who is on the top shelf? Like, did you get invited up to the top shelf? And it wasn't about who was better with on that shelf. It was just like, are you in that top level of quality?

3:28:34BubblemanYeah, totally. Well, I'm definitely, you know, I love the idea of doing a Legends. I think it'll probably be more than likely next year, and it will definitely be to celebrate Dave Watson, Sam the Skunk Man, 100%. That's what it'll be about.

3:28:52SpeakerI can hear Dave in my head going, oh man, I'm going to miss it. Do it all over again. Yeah, he was such a kid, man. He was such a kid. He lived life with this joy, this verve, this like, what fun and trouble can we get in today? And I know this has been so heavy on so many of us, losing David. I'm really trying to, like, I'm truly trying to, like, it's that old thing.

3:29:23SpeakerThe sadness we feel is because of the happiness that he brought us. And it's, you know, it feels like, We have this big empty space that was carved out, you know, with our happiness that's now filled with sadness. But don't try to think of the sadness, guys. Try to think of all the joy that he brought us because, man, did he ever enrich our lives. He was just such a good, happy person.

3:29:49SpeakerHe was so amazing with Diana. Sure, they, you know, he had his frustrations. They both had frustrations. Everybody does in a long relationship. But I never, I don't think I've ever seen a man treat his wife with such respect and kindness and love as David had for Diana. He really, he just, He loved her and he wanted, you know, even just the other day, you know, we were talking, he was supposed to go down to LA to see Todd and we got screwed up in the schedule because of this illness that they had and that they had caught on the plane.

3:30:24SpeakerAnd he said straight up, the only thing that matters is my wife. Everything else can wait. The only thing that matters is my wife. And that's just the way that he felt about her. She was his number one priority, his love. And he always treated her and spoke to her with that love and kindness and mindset. And it was the same thing with his family, with Maya and Haley.

3:30:48SpeakerThey were just, when he spoke of them, he just beamed. He was so much to all of us. But he was dad and he was grandfather to Sienna. And he just incredibly loved his family. And as we go through this, this thing, this transition of losing David, I just, I want to make sure that his family is first because that was the most important thing to him.

3:31:11SpeakerAnd I want to be able to honor them for David, right? I want to keep that, that mentality that, that, you know, the, the comfort of the girls and his wife first and foremost through everything.

3:31:29BubblemanWell said, brother. Well said. Appreciate that. Yeah, it's going to be different. It's going to be different. I love the idea of his wishes with his ashes. I think that's amazing. I love the idea that people have been reaching out to me and asking if they can get pictures of him to print and put in their grow rooms. I think that's super. Like, who... Who have you ever heard that like happened for?

3:32:03BubblemanWho's thinking of that?

3:32:06Etienne FontanI want to also thank my wife Donna for the help she's done, but she also made sure that... Donna's been amazing.

3:32:13SpeakerShe's been incredible.

3:32:14Etienne FontanWe're going to have Sam Iams there at the memorial, so we're going to have the cat in the hat there.

3:32:22SpeakerDonna has been just an absolute angel. She's been one of the angels in this whole thing, but she, you know, she found the venue. She's just been absolutely incredible. So thank you so much, ATN and Donna. I mean, to both of you, but, you know, Donna's been incredible.

3:32:40SpeakerSo grateful to so many people throughout this whole process. Again, Fletcher, Dragonfly, Lele.

3:32:47Etienne FontanYou know, as you said, it's not about us. We're doing this all for Diana and the family, right? We take no credit. We appreciate the shout outs and the love, but none of us seek any of this. This is all for Diana and the family so that Sam would be proud. Exactly. And I got also a shout out. Fletch, thank you very much for stepping up and everybody who has.

3:33:12Etienne FontanIt's been really challenging and we wanted to take the weight off of Diana and the kids. So we've got them set up and we're just trying to make this as...

3:33:27SpeakerThank you to the community and everyone that's donated through your gifts and respect for Sam. We're able to take care of the family and throw the celebration of life, this memorial for the community. And so everyone that has donated... You have my most immense gratitude. Thank you so much for allowing us to be part of this passing with the family and honor them and honor our beautiful friend, David.

3:34:08BubblemanHowdy, howdy.

3:34:13Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineThank you, Ryan, again, for holding the space because it does take Paul, in person, you know, everything from grief to logistics and everything like that. So, you know, we're definitely recognizing you in this time and all that. So. And, you know, just, again, just echoing the notion that every day is a blessing and that, you know, there isn't any, there is no such thing as work when you're excited about something.

3:34:46Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSo I think just keeping that excitement going on. and continuing to you know be healthy and try and live as long in the life as we can because that's kind of part of the gift that cannabis gives us is insight you know into other parts of our life and other parts of our world so you know there's there's everything from making hash to living well to being able to have stories that you're talking about forever so um You know, wellness is the new black, you know, whatever, you know, so like, I think we should try and be as healthy as we can in this future.

3:35:27Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineAbsolutely.

3:35:29BubblemanI gotta say, like, how beautiful are these people right here? That's a beautiful picture. Like, how crazy is that, man? Like, look at the first time I saw that picture, I thought it was like David Gilmour with his girlfriend or something. I was like, is that the guy from Pink Floyd? It's like, no, dude, that's David Watson. I remember I used to have hair like that. Yeah, how long ago was that, buddy?

3:35:53BubblemanLong time, bro. Me too, me too.

3:35:58BubblemanYeah, I just love to share that one photo of David and Diana. It's just a powerful image. You see that image and you're like, man, these people are cool. These are cool people. And to think that picture was taken before they did so much. You can almost see what they're going to do in their eyes.

3:36:20SpeakerSo welcome back, Aaron. I've been here. I've been doing dishes and listening.

3:36:25BubblemanI just mean on camera.

3:36:27SpeakerYeah, but you think you guys want to watch me make breakfast and wash dishes and stuff? We want to watch it, dude. Being a good father, you know? Hell yeah. It's funny, I think about some of the things Dave would say, like, weed is for peasants and hash. What is it? How do you go? Weed is for peasants and hash is for kings.

3:36:51Adam DunnPeasants and women.

3:36:53SpeakerHash is just for men. That's right, Adam, you're right. For women and slaves.

3:36:58BubblemanYep. Ryan got it accurate. No one wants to say it. And that wasn't Dave's saying, just so everyone knows. That was Dave in Afghanistan trying to collect seeds from the hash that the grower had grown. He wanted those seeds, but he didn't want to ask for seeds. He didn't want to heat himself out. And he knew all the weed was seeded, so he asked for weed. And the guy who was like an older Afghani guy was just like, why do you want that?

3:37:29BubblemanLike, why would you want that? And he, you know, Dave's like, oh, I just want to, you know, smoke some or whatever. And the guy's like, it's for women and slaves. Yeah.

3:37:37SpeakerWhen Dave told that story, he used to say, the man looked at me like I was a piece of shit.

3:37:43BubblemanYeah. Yeah. Super judgmental.

3:37:48Adam DunnYeah. Like what?

3:37:52SpeakerYou know, we were also talking about like, You know, the skunk. And I remember hearing from Dave and Rob that they didn't like the dank varieties. They didn't like the OG cushions, like the dank, the Afghanis. They didn't like that. They liked the floral, the fruity versions. And I mean, I might've lost the cannabis cup because of them saying, I don't like the dank. One time when they were judging, I don't know, I think it might have been the ooky kabooky cup.

3:38:28SpeakerI remember that. That was funny. And it was brutal, but they really didn't like the dank. And for me, California, I like those pungent, You know, really loud.

3:38:43Adam DunnWell, it's like when the, like when the cheese, it's like when the cheese became popular and then they were like, that's just one of our, that's one of our skunks we didn't like. That was the pheno we didn't like. You know what I mean? Right, exactly. Like, this is awesome. This is fucking nice. I like this. It's like, ah, we didn't like that one. You know, so just classic.

3:39:01Adam DunnWe're, and I even, I even, Busted their balls on the show where I was like, you guys ruined the skunk for everybody because now we can't find it. Now we're fucked. Now we're like, no one has it because everyone's confusing your sweet ass skunk. So yeah, it was funny.

3:39:19SpeakerMaybe there's some seeds in the secret stash that will get passed down for all of us to germinate, you know, and We might all find some unique stuff. You never know.

3:39:33Adam DunnI was thinking if we do the thing with the ashes is we should, after we all create our own first generation, we should all just pass it around like a torch and come back with the ultimate combo where it's like 20 different, you know, it may take us 10 years to do it, but it'll be fun to see. Everybody puts their piece in. I got a little bit of David in each one of them, you know what I mean?

3:39:55Adam DunnThen it all combines into one giant Megatron of,

3:39:59SpeakerGuys, I just want to share with you, I know that the Watson family are all together and watching this. And if you could all just share with them how much we appreciated opening up their world and family to us and allowing David to be part of our lives. Diane. Being part of the cannabis community, I'm sure was not the easiest thing on the family all the way through.

3:40:27SpeakerAnd it was probably times where it was quite difficult. But, you know, we are, I know, I know I speak on behalf of everyone in saying that we are so grateful that we were able to have David as part of our lives as well. So many blessings and thank you to the Watson family.

3:40:45Adam DunnYeah, thank you. Thanks, Diane. Yeah, of course.

3:40:52BubblemanYes, absolutely. I say to the Watson family, thank you so much for sharing so much of David with us. And I was blessed to have gotten to spend some time with Diana as well and go on some trips and stay in the same home as her. When I first went to Jamaica with David and I saw how he treated my young children, it was the first time I'd ever seen that side of him.

3:41:21BubblemanAnd it was just so gentle and soft. I think I came down one day and he might have been reading my daughter Trinity a book on the couch in the house that we had rented together. And I was like, this guy is the real deal. He's the full package. And Diana was incredible with the kids. I remember how much she loved my youngest son, Tosh, and she was really good with Char and sort of giving Char tips like, don't worry, don't worry, you know, one day.

3:41:50BubblemanOne day you're just going to be able to pick up a tennis racket and go play tennis. She was giving her this sort of really good advice that Char really needed to hear because she was drowning in motherhood and, you know, having the both fortunate and unfortunate experience of me being her husband, you know, this guy who obviously I feel that I resonate with Dave and how committed I am to my family and my children.

3:42:18BubblemanI've always been that way. I always was impressed. The few that Dave was, I tried to emulate Dave in the sense when I was going out to events, I never would ever flirt with women. I would never show any interest in, I would never allow that part to show any disrespect to my wife. And he certainly carried that with him always and everywhere I ever saw him go.

3:42:41BubblemanSo Yeah. Thank you to the Watson family. Much love. And I hope we're doing, I hope we're doing you all justice with our conversations here today. I hope some of them made you smile and I'm sure some of them made you cry.

3:42:56Johnny BYeah, I also want to share to the Watson family. Thank you. I'm here today. I'm alive today because of Dave and the amount of help he's gave patients around the world. I would not be here today if it wasn't for Dave and the Watson family. Gratefully, blessings. You saved countless lives and mine too. So this has been a big part of my journey and I want to give you my love and thank you.

3:43:19Johnny BBlessings.

3:43:22Collin PalmerI joined everybody on here in the same sentiment. I would not be doing what I do without the foundational work of David and the Watson family. It's, it's, I, I really, I think I really hold true the time that I got to spend here on this show with him because we got to pull so much knowledge from him. And that's, that was such a gift. So I'm forever grateful for that.

3:43:51Etienne FontanI'm also humbled as a medical provider of 25 plus years. If it hadn't been for David's integral work, I don't know how many tens of thousands of people would have been able to benefit from the medicine that literally saved lives.

3:44:09Etienne FontanThat is beyond comprehensible words that I can comprehend that. Diana, kids, you had a very special father. He touched so many lives. I hope you realize how absolutely special he was to the world because we know how absolutely special he was to you.

3:44:31SpeakerI'd like to say behind every good man is a better woman. And Diana, you were that woman, you know, who stuck behind Dave's side. When he ran off and did his work, I mean, I got the same type of wife. And I feel very lucky to have a wife and two great kids and have her support. And we all saw the support you gave your man and the love in that family.

3:45:08SpeakerAnd you guys were inspiration to us. And to have you come over my house and you guys both hold my oldest kid right now, you know, and, and see the other side, the non-cannabis side, the family man, uh, truly remarkable. And yeah, much love from my family, my company to you guys. Uh, I hope I see you soon. Give you a big hug, you know, um, I know it's tough for you right now and I'm sending you as much positive vibes as I can.

3:45:46SpeakerYeah. Thank you for letting me be a part of your lives too.

3:45:58BubblemanAbsolutely.

3:46:00SpeakerAnd Diana, I just wanted to say that being a part of the illegal energy and time and history of this plant as a woman and as a mother and as being part of that time period as well, definitely not as early as you holds an incredible space for your family in your mind. Not only just allowing but feeding Dave and Making sure that his clothes were clean and allowing him into that space when honestly, I know that some nights probably were left sleepless because of that time.

3:46:56SpeakerAnd to the girls, you know, raising children in illegal times also, you know, A lot of embarrassment and funny stories of having your family deeply entrenched in the cannabis industry and especially with a father like your own who lived and breathed it and probably no matter what conversation that you had in your family always ended in cannabis, I'm sure.

3:47:25SpeakerSo I just really want to honor you all for the hard times In bringing his brilliance and him to all of us. Thank you. Dude, I did not need that. From the depths of my heart. Thank you so much.

3:47:42Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineMuch love, Diane. The words can't express, you know, the... Thank you, Kelly. Sorry, I just had another heart attack.

3:48:00SpeakerWell, this is Wade. And I want to jump in for a minute. Earlier, I shared that for years, I knew of David and his work, and certainly worked with some of his genetics. But I, I'm really struck by how deeply I felt him in my life, in the brief interaction that we had the other day. I was really struck by how open he was willing to be and how joyful.

3:48:45SpeakerOne of the things that he said to me that still rings true in my head, I was talking about my grief around the loss of my abilities and the fact that I Can't do some of the things that I used to do. And he just laughed at me. And he pointed out to me that you've reached this point in your life, Wade, because you're supposed to relax.

3:49:17SpeakerYou're supposed to find your own joy, your own way of walking in this world. And you have nothing to apologize for. And you have nothing to, uh, Be ashamed of. You've every reason to just be who you are. And that was the thing that really touched me. That I wasn't supposed to try and be like him or any of the other beautiful people that I've met in this context, on this show and in my work.

3:49:56SpeakerThat it's my work to be who I am. Not anybody else. And so he reminded me that I don't have to apologize. I don't have to hold back the joy that I feel or the grief that I feel.

3:50:23SpeakerHaving met such an amazing man. I mean, he laughed at us, both of us sitting there sucking on our oxygen and laughing about having been such wild boys when we were younger. And now we had to drag around oxygen to keep our bodies in good shape and the humor and joy with which he observed that. Helps me as I sit here right now, sucking on supplemental oxygen, sitting in a chair, just giving thanks for having had the opportunity to know him and to recognize that as serious as life is and as serious as our work can be, there's also joy.

3:51:15SpeakerOh, what a beautiful picture. That's a nice reminder. Look at the smiles on our faces.

3:51:23BubblemanI love this photo, Wade. It's one of my favorites. When Ryan sent it to me, I was just so happy that you guys were meeting and getting to, I mean, I can almost hear you guys in this photo and I can definitely smell the good hash in the air.

3:51:46SpeakerYes, it's a nice capture of what that time felt like to me. And I don't have a grow room anymore, but I'm going to find a place to put up that picture because it was so reflective of the joy we were sharing. I was somewhat stunned at how much I felt like he was my brother, my

3:52:14SpeakerMy older brother from another mother. And what a wonderful, wonderful mother she must have been to produce such wild boys who grew up to be such respectable men who cared about their community and their wives and their families while having a beautiful life. So thank you to all of you. And thank you. Thank you, David Watson. For being in my life and gracing me with your presence the other day, because you will be in my heart for the rest of my life.

3:52:57SpeakerAnd when I leave this body, I will look forward to running into you, sir. Until then, take care. I'll see you in my dreams.

3:53:09SpeakerYou guys have been such incredible leaders to us. Teachers, educators, mentors, not only in the plant, but also in how to be people, in how to approach this world. I mean, the path that David set forth for us in showing that you can take this world that says, no, you can't do X, Y, and Z, and you can find a way to do it anyway. I mean, David, you know, he tells a story about being in Morocco and having serious stomach problems and realizing that there was medicinal properties to the hashish, that it was, you know, taking his nausea away.

3:53:52SpeakerAnd, you know, he went from nobody believing to him to founding Horta Farm, which became... You know, as Ethan was saying, all the science that came out of there, but I mean, also the medicine and the intellectual property that birthed, you know, GW Pharmaceuticals. And, you know, we now have Epidiolex, this liquid CBD registered pharmaceutical product that's helping children all over North America and Canada. I don't know if it's available in Europe yet, but, you know, he's done so much.

3:54:27SpeakerHe gave us this Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

3:54:56SpeakerAnd that was at a critical time when, you know, the drug war was in full swing and prohibition and it was everything that it was. You know, he's just not only in his guidance of who he was as a person, but in the way that he approached the world, he's given us this heuristic and this kind of roadmap on how to do things. And, you know, in a way, like he's taught us how to live.

3:55:23SpeakerAnd I'm just, it's so hard to be without him and think of the sadness of him not being with us. But I really want to, I'm trying to focus on What a blessing it has been for us to have him in our lives. And if that means that we have to deal with this bitter sorrow of not having him in our lives, I will take that trade every day.

3:55:51SpeakerBecause the gift that he has given us is just, it's so big. You can't even put it into words.

3:56:03Johnny BGave us this, gave us all of us to communicate and be here together. Gave us the next, the next vision. We're all going to be able to do with the keys that were given to us to kind of keep growing forward with that. Absolutely. It's just beautiful of what we've all been able to do together here and what we're all going to keep doing. Education is the key.

3:56:30BubblemanThe world is impacted. He's impacted a lot of lives. I mean, we have over 700 people watching live today. We hear this on the live. It's something else. You know, people, people want to be a part of it. They want to. They're glad that this is happening, that we're able to share these stories. And these stories are not going to just be for today by any means.

3:56:53BubblemanThis is going to continue on for weeks and weeks and weeks, I'm sure, if not years and years and years. How could we ever stop telling Skunk Man Sam stories? And I think part of the grief is knowing that, you know, that maybe thinking that we weren't going to have any more But the idea of getting some of his ashes, putting them into a plant and growing that plant with love and turning that plant into hash and then taking that jar that the ashes were in and putting some of that hash in there, that means I get to have another experience with David.

3:57:27BubblemanSo I'm grateful for that. I look forward to that. And yeah, we've almost done four hours here on Hash Church. As always, it feels weird to, To end it, I'm not sure if anyone else has anything they want to say. Obviously, we'll mention again that humblegrace.org. Does someone have something they want to say there?

3:57:50Dr Mark ScialdoneSo I got a new verse for our Unhash Church song. This is a good thing to take us out on. So actually, I added verses for Wade, Indra, and Sam. And actually, the folks in the chat added a verse about you guys just because you guys mean so much to all of us. So can you hear that?

3:58:17BubblemanOh, yeah.

3:58:20SpeakerTurn it up a little bit.

3:58:31SpeakerYes, we can all do this. Yes, we can all do this. On Ash Church.

3:58:46SpeakerWe got Skunk Man Sam.

3:58:51SpeakerStinking Up Amsterdam.

3:58:56SpeakerAnd then there's Wade. Talk about the lives he saved.

3:59:06SpeakerThere's the folks in the chat.

3:59:11SpeakerTalk about this and that.

3:59:15SpeakerWe've got Kendra John.

3:59:21SpeakerTalk about the Viet Cong.

3:59:26SpeakerWe got DNA.

3:59:30SpeakerTalk about biology.

3:59:36SpeakerIt's got lots to say.

3:59:41SpeakerAbout the cannabis plant.

3:59:46SpeakerCannabis Church. Paul and Anna's Church. Thank you. Thank you.

4:00:09BubblemanDude, I'm so sorry to say that was beautiful, but we couldn't hear your guitar, man. I think you turned it up too loud. We might have to do another one of those. I do like the idea of going out on hearing that so that we can hear it. I do want to make just a few announcements before we do so you can take us out with the song.

4:00:28BubblemanAnd the song is way better than what you heard because I've heard the song before and it's fucking awesome. But we got to be able to hear the guitar. So it was just too it was too loud. I think it was blowing out the speaker. You couldn't it was we could hear your voice, but it was there was no like filler of the guitar. So I don't know if you want to do that acoustic or whatnot.

4:00:49BubblemanBut while you figure that logistics out for that in this few few minutes that I have here, once again, I want to thank everyone for coming on today and sharing. You know, this sort of hardest hash church ever, I think I'll call it. The tribute to Skunk Man Sam, a.k.a. David Watson, David Watson, a.k.a. Skunk Man Sam. I do want to thank everyone. I won't be able to name everyone.

4:01:16BubblemanI definitely will name our sponsors because I have to, just joking. But no, thanks to Heritage Seed Bank for coming through on the Skunk Man Sam episode. You guys can support him at heritageseedbank.com. It's got archive and some other amazing breeders on there. Maybe we'll be able to even link them up with some new ones from the panel. And then, of course, thanks to Craft Greenery, who also helped with a nice donation for the event that we're going to be having for David on next week here in California.

4:01:53BubblemanSo thanks to them as well. Craftgreenery.com. You can check them out or at Craft Greenery on Instagram. Oh! There we go. Jeez, that gave me a heart attack. Thank you, really, everyone who's been in the chat room all day. You guys are a big part of this. I know that this is a little bit of closure for you guys. We're never going to stop talking about Sam, so he's always going to be a part of Hash Church.

4:02:15BubblemanBut I guess maybe Mr. Sheldon, are you ready to take us out? Can we hear your guitar? Maybe do a little bit of... You know, checking to see if it works.

4:02:26SpeakerJust, I just want to say, Mark Sheldon, there's a setting on Zoom for musicians. There's actually a setting that allows you to not get cut off.

4:02:35Dr Mark ScialdoneWhere do I go for that, Ryan?

4:02:37SpeakerI'm not sure.

4:02:38Etienne FontanIt's under your audio settings. If you click on settings. Okay. Yes.

4:02:50Etienne FontanUh, and you, as you scroll down, you will see, uh,

4:02:57SpeakerIt's something for musicians. Live performance audio.

4:03:00Etienne FontanIf you scroll down below the background noise approval, live performance audio.

4:03:06BubblemanIt's in beta, apparently.

4:03:07SpeakerAnd folks, can I just, again, I'm sorry to say this one more time. Any donations, please, if you can make through the Humboldt Grace website. It's so appreciated. We really want to do something special for the family and the community. All are welcome to attend Wednesday. It's at Riggers Loft in Richmond, California from 12 to 6. So thank you all for your support and we look forward to seeing everyone that can make it there.

4:03:32BubblemanWhat are you saying, Mark? Did you figure it out? Did you figure it out on Hash Church?

4:03:43Dr Mark ScialdoneI figured it out. I figured it out. Hold on. Let me tune up. The acoustic was a little out of tune.

4:03:49BubblemanIt won't hurt if everyone in the room mutes their mic as well.

4:03:54Dr Mark ScialdoneAll right. Let's see. I'm just tuning up right now. Hold on.

4:03:59BubblemanI think we should all get tuned up with a bowl because if he's going to sing this song, we should be hitting some full melt. I'm going to pull the full melt drum set up. Fuck it.

4:04:08Dr Mark ScialdonePut it down.

4:04:13Dr Mark ScialdoneSo can you hear the guitar okay? We hear the tuning song.

4:04:19SpeakerYou can hear the guitar okay.

4:04:26Dr Mark ScialdoneYou hear that? Yes? It's muted. It's compressing.

4:04:44BubblemanYes. Kinda. I think you got to be a little further away from the mic. I don't know if that's the fix.

4:04:51Collin PalmerOr maybe closer. How close can you get?

4:04:54Dr Mark ScialdoneOr maybe closer to the mic. Okay, let's try closer. I don't think it's closer. I think it's further. Further? Okay. Further from the mic. Let's see how far...

4:05:09SpeakerIt's an experiment. Yeah, I got it. Sound good?

4:05:18Etienne FontanIt wants to, but it's not being favorable.

4:05:20BubblemanIt's also hard to tell because quite a few people don't have their mics muted. So when we listen to him play guitar, it's important that we all mute our mics and that will make it. The best that we can hear it. And then we'll, this is hilarious though, when you think about it, all these technical difficulties, I can't help but feel like Skunk Man Sam is slightly fucking with us right now.

4:05:41BubblemanWe're singing the song, Sam, you're going to hear it.

4:05:45Dr Mark ScialdoneSo it's weird. You can hear my voice, but you can't hear the guitar. That's so strange, right?

4:05:54BubblemanGive it a shot.

4:05:56SpeakerHear that?

4:06:01BubblemanMaybe it needs to go closer. I don't know. It's definitely glitching out.

4:06:08Collin PalmerTry closer.

4:06:10Dr Mark ScialdoneTry closer. Okay.

4:06:13BubblemanBut play soft.

4:06:17BubblemanYes.

4:06:22SpeakerWow, not at all. It's crazy how... Closer, it's just completely...

4:06:27BubblemanI don't hear anything when you're closer. I think you might have to go further. Wow. Okay.

4:06:38SpeakerYou hear that?

4:06:41BubblemanIt's kind of psychedelic, dude. I think we should just give it a shot. It's trippy. It's like the guitar's underwater a bit.

4:06:49Dr Mark ScialdoneYou hear that? Yes? Yes?

4:06:54Dr Mark ScialdoneNot really, huh?

4:06:55Etienne FontanNot really. Just go. Just do it, buddy.

4:06:59Dr Mark ScialdoneYou know what I should do is maybe connect with my iPad. Maybe there's a better mic on it than my laptop computer.

4:07:06BubblemanGuaranteed there is, dude. Your laptop mic is probably like 42 cents on Alibaba.

4:07:14Dr Mark ScialdoneAll right, so let me...

4:07:15BubblemanWhich I will say that Sam did have the patent for those microphone laptop...

4:07:24Dr Mark ScialdoneYou're going to have to let me in, Bubble Man. I'm going to come in through my iPad.

4:07:29SpeakerSorry, no, the show's over. Thanks for watching. Goodbye, everybody. You didn't pay the patent fees to David.

4:07:35Collin PalmerI can hear David's Bitcoin joke right now. You can send me Bitcoin here.

4:07:40BubblemanI see you coming in. Oh, there you are. Am I coming in? You're coming in. Now you're going to want to unmute this mic so you don't go...

4:07:50BubblemanYeah, I'm going to want to actually kill this, right? Mute that one or kill it. You can just kill the mic and open the mic up on your other one, your iPad. But close the mic on your computer first, please.

4:08:08SpeakerCan you hear me now?

4:08:12Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineWhoa, that was trippy.

4:08:15Etienne FontanI'm going to jump off. Build a computer. Stick with the iPad. Kill the computer. Because you're coming through loud, but you're also like have a psychedelic echo.

4:08:25BubblemanOkay, can you hear me now?

4:08:26SpeakerThe chat is really enjoying this. Oh, there it is. The chat is really enjoying this.

4:08:31Dr Mark ScialdoneI heard every note. Here we go.

4:08:34BubblemanA little further back.

4:08:44SpeakerGood? Yes, we live in a mess. Yes, we live in a mess. Haunted church.

4:09:09SpeakerWe got Bubba Man. Talk about making cash. And Stunk Man Sam. Staking up Amsterdam. And then there's Wade. Talk about the lives he saved.

4:09:54SpeakerI guess we can love this. Yes, we can love this. Yes, we can love this.

4:10:31BubblemanOther lovers. Dude, that was the best it was going to sound, man. That was pretty awesome.

4:10:37Dr Mark ScialdoneAll right. I'll keep that in mind. Connect with the iPad next time. Thank you. Thank you so much.

4:10:42BubblemanThanks, everybody, for coming out. I hope you guys are going to come out again and share more in the very near future. I really appreciate each and every one of you. Got to give a special shout out to John Hatch for driving the full melt bubble through the snowstorm and the power outage. To get to me so I could puff the six star while we celebrated the life, really, of the OG six star.

4:11:05BubblemanThe six star general himself, Skunk Man Sam.

4:11:08SpeakerSix star Sam.

4:11:10BubblemanSix star Sam, baby. Six star Sam. And if it's really good, dude, if it's really good, it'll clear dome. Okay. All right, dude. Got it. This guy's a... This guy's a hash psychopath. I like him. A psycho hash. Exactly. So much love to you, Sam and the family. Thank you so much for spending the time with us. And I just want to thank everyone for watching Hash Church.

4:11:40BubblemanWe're going to be back next week. I suspect we'll be. You know, continuing as much of this as we can and talking about new things. And I just appreciate, appreciate each and every one of you for sharing today. It was a beautiful, beautiful panel of just awesome people. It's great to have you, Aaron, stop in. We haven't seen you for a while. I know you're busy. It's great to have Adam as well.

4:12:04BubblemanI really appreciate you coming on, dude. I just appreciate seeing you all. D420K, it's been too long. That was the classic bong rip ever that you let. I can't believe also, by the way, when you said bong rip, I don't know if anyone caught this, my Puffco died and I did not get to have that bong rip. I actually, I was just like, this guy just won't stop fucking with me all day.

4:12:27BubblemanMy power's gone out three times. Oh, my goodness.

4:12:31SpeakerIf I can just say two before we go, folks. Again, everyone's welcome to join us on Wednesday, 12 to 6, Riggers Loft in Richmond, California. It's Northeast Bay. And from 6 to 1030, Marcus is going to be hosting a, call it a Wednesday church remembrance of Sam. Everybody's welcome to come and share there. Their stories. There'll be people I'm sure sharing as well from Oakland. But yeah, if everyone would like to come and join us, please do.

4:13:04BubblemanThat will be a Puff Wednesday. Got it. That'll be a puff Wednesday. I'll set that up soon so the video shows up with the chat on the YouTube channel. So it's obviously won't go live till 630 on Wednesday, but I'll set it up today so it shows up on the channel. And anyone else that wants to say any last words, feel free to do so now.

4:13:29SpeakerI just want to say thank you for letting me be a part of this special moment. It's definitely in my heart hearing all of you guys talk. You know, having a laugh at some of the stories, like those chocolate bonbons that got me and so many others that Dave had made. And then I finally asked him when I was sitting on his couch, he's like, yeah, there's one gram of half dry sift in oil.

4:13:58SpeakerAnd I'm like, dude, that almost killed me, bro. And I want to say love to Diane and the kids. I'm going to drive up from L.A., To Richmond on Wednesday to be with everybody that's going to be there. And I'll be in Amsterdam at the end of the month. For Spanibus too, so I hope I see you guys all there and we can all put some smoke in the air for our lost friend.

4:14:29SpeakerYou know, whether it's a joint or it's a bong load or a dry Sotash. Or any kind of positive smoke.

4:14:38Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineSuper looking forward to that.

4:14:40SpeakerSee you Wednesday, Aaron. I'm glad you're coming. Yeah, I'll be there. You know, like I said, a friend, I'm not going to leave a friend hanging.

4:14:49BubblemanAwesome. I know they'll be stoked to see you for sure. Thanks for having me, Mark.

4:14:54SpeakerAppreciate you, man. Thank you very much for having me. It was an honor to be here once again. All of you guys, Dragonfly, Mark, Aaron, Adam, Wade, Colin, John, ATN, Mike. It's been an honor, Sam. Thank you very much. Rest in peace, Sam.

4:15:17Johnny BYeah, bless it, Sam. Thank you to the family, Diana, and everybody.

4:15:23Josh Dragonfly Earth MedicineLove you, Sam. Love you, Diana. Kids, thank you, Marcus, for holding the space every time. You're an important person to us and everyone on the panel. Love and respect.

4:15:33Dr Mark ScialdoneTake them out with one more, Marcus.

4:15:36SpeakerFare you well, fare you well, I love you more than words can tell. Listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul. One more time. Fare you well. Farewell, I love you more than words can tell. Listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul. Gonna listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul. So long, Sam. Love you, Sam.

4:16:22BubblemanMuch love, Mark. That was beautiful. Peace out, everybody.

4:16:25SpeakerThank you guys.

4:16:26BubblemanTill Wednesday.