The Edibles Episode, with Marigold Sweets and Space Gems

0:01BubblemanOkay, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Sunday morning, April the 12th, 9 a.m. PST. And you're here where you're supposed to be at Hash Church season 12. Oh gosh, what are we in? Episode 15 now, I believe. Episode 15. Yes, yes, exactly. All right, just checking out, making sure we're all good. Everyone's good. You can all see me. You can all hear me. Everything's good. Hope you're well. Thank you, Bingo.

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3:59BubblemanGot a couple people waiting in the room. I'm going to let those folks in right away. We will see how the day goes here. Let's see what we got. Let's see what we got. All right. Well, punctuality is on point. You guys are punctual. I like to see it. I like to see it. How you doing, Wendy?

4:24SpeakerI'm doing good. How are you, Mark?

4:26BubblemanI'm doing pretty good. You know, it's another Sunday morning. It comes quick every week. You know, I end Hash Church and then it's like, oh, I got to do Hash Church again. And then I blink and it's Thursday or Friday. And I'm like, holy shit. Have I sent the email out? Have I created a thumbnail? Have I? So good. It's going good. But it's definitely it's consistent.

4:47BubblemanLet's just. Yes. Very consistent. Nice to see both of you. Ladies in the room today. Nice to have a little bit of a balance, actually. I got a lot of dudes on this show a lot of the time. A lot of dude energy going on. And it's not because I don't invite the ladies. I used to have a lot of people. They would hit me up and they'd be like, hey, what's going on?

5:10BubblemanWhy aren't there more women on Hash Church? I'm like, I don't know. I'm inviting so many. Finally, my friend Hillary Black from the BC Compassion Club, she pulled me aside. She said, look, dude, 9 a.m. on a Sunday is pretty early. We're ladies. We don't roll out of bed like you guys do. We're sticking up. And, you know, she's like, there's perfect.

5:28SpeakerThat's what I said today. Yeah. These guys roll out of bed. They take a dab. They put their hat on. I'm over here setting up lights and making sure, like, you know what I mean? Doing my, washed my hair today. Like, I washed it. Marcus, these are clean roots, okay? Put on makeup. This is like the no makeup makeup.

5:53BubblemanI did not put the makeup on, but I will say today I did have a shower. I washed my hair. I got all clean. My wife, after 37 years, she's really driving this shower and wash your hair every day thing. And I'm finally picking it up at 53 years old.

6:07SpeakerGood.

6:09BubblemanOh God, we're gross, us dudes. There's mild grossness. Who you got there, Vanessa?

6:15SpeakerThis is Bon Bon. This is my little dog, Bon Bon. She had knee surgery and she's supposed to be like high as a kite right now. But I don't know, her tolerance is super high because she's on Trazodone, she's on Gabapentin or some other like Payne Nerve Pain Reliever. And she's like, let's play. Let's play fetch. Let's go.

6:42BubblemanShe does not look like she's high at all.

6:44SpeakerAt all. And I'm like, I don't want to up the dose too. Like, I'm not a vet. I'm not trying to guinea pig my dog. But I'm like, you're supposed to be like... Thank you so much for joining us.

7:10BubblemanSo he was really small, but he was wild. In his mind, he was much bigger than he was. I used to pull up into my neighborhood off the highway, and as I pulled onto my street, I'd open the door, and he'd jump out of my truck, and then he'd run next to my truck straight up a mountain for about three minutes, you know, running like 23, 24 kilometers an hour, whatever, 15 miles an hour.

7:31BubblemanAnd Oreo ended up getting... He had a tumor in his bladder. So, I mean, it was not hard to figure out. He was taking peas and they were like the size of like a 25 cent piece. You know, it was like 20 drops or whatever.

7:46SpeakerAnd I was like, not a loony.

7:47BubblemanThis is like not not a loony, like a quarter. And so I took him into the vet and they were just like. He's got a tumor. It's taking up 95% of his bladder. Like, you know, he's done. Palliative care kind of thing. So I came home and I was just like, I just wasn't ready to say goodbye to my little buddy. And he was looking at me with this hopeful, you know, and I was kind of like, I've been in the cannabis industry all my life.

8:10BubblemanEveryone's like, oh, you can do this with cannabis. You can do that with cannabis. Oh, it'll shrink tumors. It's like, all right, let's put it to the test. And so I had some Rick Simpson oil. And let me tell you, first of all, dosing a small dog with Rick Simpson oil is very, very difficult. I was doing it out of love. Definitely got him too high a couple of times, like definitely got him too high a couple of times.

8:32BubblemanFelt absolutely sick about it. But after about two to three weeks when he started pissing out his tumor and he started like pissing out like full pisses, like he just like the tumor was like it was like he was eating a cheese grater. It was just grating this thing up. Got rid of his tumor, though. Hey, that's all that matters. It was insane. Like my wife even, she wouldn't have believed it had she not seen it.

8:59BubblemanShe's like, that's insane. Like that, how can you even, you know, wrap your head around it? Gave him a bunch more life, you know, not a ton. Unfortunately, what ended up happening with him was a piece of it ended up getting stuck and it plugged him up. And, you know, we could have gone and done the surgery, but he was such an old dog. And, you know, there is a point in time where, you know, You have to put the dog's sort of feelings ahead of your, you know, because we'll keep these dogs alive forever.

9:27BubblemanThey're like our best friends. They're like, dude, I'll do whatever I need to do to keep you alive. To the point where, you know, like my one buddy last year when I was in Manitoba, he has a larger dog and its back legs just stopped working. Well, he's been taking this thing out to go to the bathroom like four or five times a day, carrying like an 80 pound dog with legs that don't work.

9:49BubblemanAnd I just... You know, I pulled him aside. I said, dude, like, you got to let your buddy go.

9:54SpeakerLike, it's time, you know, better to do it before, you know, you want them to you want those like, I don't know how you want to die, but I don't want to be like, dragging myself. Like, I think there's there's empathy and kindness and euthanasia. It's a really hot topic right now. But especially with pets, because they don't have they don't really have a choice. So you have to make that choice for them and make those decisions for them.

10:24BubblemanSo, yeah, no, you're not you're not wrong. It's I'm in the same boat. I definitely. I've existed, you know, both my wife and I are such polar opposite people that everything we go through in life is also the polar opposite. So my dad was killed in a motorcycle accident in an instant. It happened instantly and it was over and done. Her father had psychological problems and he, you know, it took him years to pass away to the point where he was Thank you for joining us.

11:13BubblemanThey're both terrible. You know, like the shock of my father was like absolutely insane. And then the desensitization that my wife felt because it was it was just like so long. It just kept going and going and going. And you get desensitized to the experience. And then you're like, oh, did it happen? Oh, did it happen? And you have that so many times. And then it's kind of like.

11:37BubblemanWhen it happens, it's like you've grieved it already.

11:40SpeakerYou've already kind of experienced that grief.

11:43BubblemanThat's exactly it. You've experienced that grief maybe over the course of 10 or 15 plus years. Whereas, you know, experiencing all that grief in a moment is absolutely overwhelming. It knocked me off my feet. In fact, when my father passed away and I got the news, it literally knocked me off my feet. I'd never really experienced news knocking me off my feet. Of course, I'm a human being and I've been triggered in my life.

12:07BubblemanSo I know what it's like to be triggered. But nothing, I mean, getting triggered and getting angry with your voice is one thing, getting triggered and falling off your feet, that's like a deeper level.

12:19SpeakerThat's physical, like a, yeah, that's, I'm so sorry, that's a heavy loss.

12:25BubblemanWell, we all get to have them in some shape or another, you know, it's, we just have to kind of, it's like... It's, it's, it's really like, you know, terrible metaphor from a guy's perspective is like, it's like getting punched in the face. And then it's not really so much the punch in the face. It's about how well do you get up after you've been punched in the face?

12:50BubblemanAnd are you going to spend the next six months complaining about the punch or talking about how your jaw hurts or how your eye never healed properly? Like there's so many ways to, to go down the pathway of like, I'm, I'm a, I'm a victim. I got punched in the face. Thank you for joining us.

13:34SpeakerThis is what it's about, right? And then communion in a way with this wonderful plant that I think kind of helps people cope. And I think Wendy can really speak to that and how edibles have helped people cope. Her space gems, they've just, you know, the messages she gets from people who are Thank you so much for joining us today.

14:24Speakeryou know but definitely i feel like yeah just that bho era of like back in like 2009 no 2010 you know um yeah that was just like we all were smoking bho yeah and then definitely people were definitely talking about ice water hush

14:47BubblemanBHO spread like wildfire back then, pun intended. People were definitely blowing up. I was in the position. I was in a unique position because, you know, I started water extraction, literally like 12 days later, Indra, my friend John Davis, who's been on Hash Church many times, he released the BHO method on Erowid.org, Erowid, however you want to pronounce it, E-R-O-W-I-D.org. That's where BHO was first released. It was released by a character named Indra, which was, of course, John Davis.

15:23BubblemanAnd he didn't really think too much about it. He was just like, he had been working with extraction for many years. He had been using BHO extraction for, On a more scientific level for companies like Roberto, which is like a perfumery company from France that's been involved in fragrance and flavors since the 1800s. Like this is an established company. And he'd been doing this butane extraction out of all sorts of different things for them.

15:49BubblemanAnd they just couldn't wrap their head around it because it was so cold and it was so clean and it was so. Thank you so much for joining us.

16:15BubblemanBecause John is friends with my friend Steve Dumach in Amsterdam, who everyone knows as the nose, the nose nose. And so this is a guy who's been flipping and involved in the hash trade for 40 plus years. He's an American that's expatted, lived in Amsterdam for the last, I'd say at least 35 years. And I met him, I went up to his place near the train station one day, and I guess John had been there earlier that day and made some of this butane hash oil.

16:45BubblemanAnd he gave me some, and this was in like 98 before the bubble bags. And I remember having a gram and I remember it was the strongest thing I'd ever smoked. It was the only BHO I'd ever, I would ever smoke because after that I didn't smoke it again. But I remember it was so strong at the end of my trip, I still had half a gram left, which was unbelievable for me.

17:06BubblemanI could smoke grams and grams. I still had half a gram. And I remember stopping at Mila's Pollinator Shop and gifting it to her and saying, you know, this is just like, I don't even know how I'm saying this, but this is I can't I can't finish this. And so I gave it to Mila. I found out years later it was John. So when John released this method on the Internet, he didn't realize how much it would spread.

17:28BubblemanAnd unfortunately, it spread in a in a few ways that he wasn't that he didn't perceive. And one of them obviously was younger people. Who who were processing without perceiving and what I mean by that is like for an instance if you got a microscope and you looked inside the plug on your wall you would see that it's constantly sparking like it's just there's like little sparks inside the plug in your wall well that's enough to light up butane so but people didn't know that they didn't realize your your plug in the wall is sparking and then when you blast 12 cans Well, we all, we also didn't know that butane is a heavy gas.

18:06BubblemanIt's heavier than oxygen. So it sinks. It does something called pooling. And now the other thing that we didn't know was how hot it burns when it's ignited. It flash burns at this super high temperature. So obviously people were having accidents where they were blown up and Thank you so much for joining us.

18:41SpeakerIt was serious drama. It was real, but I'm like appreciative of it because I felt like the trend was BHO then. It was. You know what I mean? And because it was access. Yeah, we've all made bubble hash before, but we're like, this is like more potent. This is, you know, all things. This is like the new thing, like in Humble, you know, and it was easier to smoke.

19:01SpeakerYou know, because of the glass pieces and stuff, you know, but then once I feel like once Matt Rye started posting, and once I did like an event down in Garberville, I mean, I just think that what people said to me just like really got to me, you know, the fact of like, how do you know this is all purged out? How do you know this that how do you know that this is Not going to harm you, you know?

19:26SpeakerAnd then I'm like, I don't really know. It says it on the internet, but there's a lot of things on the internet. And so once Matt Rise like posted an actual test result of his, of his bubble hash, I was like, wait, hold on. Your bubble hash is like 70%. And my BHL right now, I think it was 65%.

19:50BubblemanRight.

19:51SpeakerYou know, and I was like, whoa, I could use this to pay a little more, but I could actually go to sleep at night just knowing it's ice, water, and cannabis rather than these heavy metals that I'm trying to say that won't harm you, that we have no idea that they will harm you, and all the exploding. Obviously, it also happened here in Humboldt pretty heavily, too.

20:12BubblemanThe exploding was a bad thing. Now, keep in mind, John, he's a pretty conscious individual. So what he learned eventually was, now keep in mind, his BHO unit was in Kansas. It fit like 2000 kilos of material. All of his gas, which was three different gases, were in tanks in the field, and then they were metered in. So you have meters that the gas goes through that tells you how much gas went in.

20:37BubblemanAnd then when you're done, you meter it back out. So you never lose your gas. It's all... It's the way it's supposed to be done, not like in a bikini, out on your, with a can, like, oh, I saw this girl in a bikini once doing it, and I'm like, I'm looking in the background, her barbecue's there, there's plugs, open plugs on the wall, but she's outside.

20:56BubblemanMy good friend Brian blew out outside, Purdue, I know you're watching right now, buddy. He was out in the forest doing it, but he had a sweater on, and his sweater created a static charge, and when he moved the wrong way and rubbed his sweater, He he lit up. So I would get into these people would get in touch with me after they blew up because they felt like, well, I was the natural other side of BHO, whereas in reality, I would truly fight for access for anyone in any access that they want.

21:28BubblemanI don't love BHO, but I would fight for the right for it to exist and I would fight for the right to people to have access to it. Because I know that, you know, my ego of what I like and don't like doesn't represent the entire planet of people. So I can wrap my head around that. The other crazy thing was, you know, he's using like N-butane and like extremely, like gases that have already been cleaned, but then that he's also, you know, running through a still and basically getting anything out of this gas that's possibly there.

22:04BubblemanSo the ethyl mercaptan was another big deal. The rotten egg smell, right? Butanes and odorless gas. They got to put it into the gas in order to move it around in cities. And he started telling me about ethyl mercaptan. John, John reached out to me because no one was listening to him. They were like, oh, fuck, shut up, you old man. You're just trying to ruin our party.

22:24BubblemanAnd he's just like, holy fuck, I'm poisoning like thousands of people. Thank you for watching.

22:49BubblemanWho understand the safety precautions and the proper SOPs who work in a class one div one room that's explosion proof. All of those things to me are super essential for BHO. I'm super happy that that all exists and that the majority of people these days that seem to be doing the process are doing it in the right way. And it is popular. So, you know, who am I to sort of, you know, piss on that parade?

23:14BubblemanThat being said, I've just been a solventless guy for the last like almost 30 years. So I love the idea that you're making your edibles using bubble hash. That is, you know, that's the way to go in my opinion, for sure.

23:31SpeakerYeah, I think it helps me better to like sleep at night. And I really like the delivery method of like bubble hash just in the body too. I think just the high, I mean, a lot of people say that, you know, BHO is like the best, you know, for the terpenes and the flavonoids and everything. But I just like don't think so. I really do think it's bubble hash, you know?

23:53SpeakerYeah, that's what you're capturing and putting into your body and how your body responds to it.

24:00BubblemanWell, one thing we know for sure that bubble hash is pulling out polar, non-polar and semi-polar components and solvents that are polar only pull out polar components and solvents that are semi-polar only pull. So the solvents, you know, are pulling out, you know, components that are related to their polarity, whereas the bubble and the dry sift methods are pulling out everything, all of it. So, you know, the BHO guys are like, hey, we only want this, which is fine, no problem.

24:30BubblemanAnd the bubble guys are more like, oh, we just want the full, like whatever the plant is there. Like to me, full melt dry sift and full melt bubble is the representation of the plant's expression of the medicinal components and recreational components, whatever kind of term you want to lay on them. The magic, we could call it, you know, we could call it whatever we want, but it's all located in the trichome head.

24:56BubblemanYou know, like, like it's very, there's been, well, we found these triterpenes in the roots or we found the, I'm not saying there's not microscopic little things throughout the plant that could be beneficial, but when it comes to the smoking relationship and the consumption relationship that we have with edibles in particular, you know, this is the consumption of, of phytocannabinoids and volatile organic compounds. It's not, The consumptions of the fats and the lipids and the other components that are found in the plant.

25:26BubblemanWe know, I know that personally because years ago, I literally painstakingly took the plant apart microscopically with like tweezers and I isolated all the different components and then I took bong rips of each one of them. It was just a straight bioassay. Look at you with your little proxy core there.

25:47SpeakerI know. Look at you guys with your little proxy cores. Now I got to go get some space jumps.

25:53BubblemanOh my goodness.

25:54SpeakerIt's so good for travel. Can I just say like just a little, just a little boop on the go. I love it.

26:00BubblemanWell, you know what? It's, I used to have this one for travel, but I got to say like this one, I lose and misplace. This one is the, it's just the perfect thickness that when I put it in my pocket, it doesn't feel like a rock. But when I go to look for it, I have no problem finding it. I spent the day on the mountain with this thing yesterday on Blackholm Mountain, puffing it, sharing it with a bunch of people.

26:23SpeakerAnd it hits.

26:25BubblemanIt hits, dude. Oh my God.

26:27SpeakerHow many hits do you get per battery charge? A lot.

26:32BubblemanI mean, honestly, a lot is right. I didn't charge it. I usually charge it 100% on the mountain. I had it on the mountain yesterday. It was at 41% when I finally went up the mountain and it didn't run out. In fact, it didn't run out since yesterday and I still have it going, but she's not wrong. There's definitely something to be said to have the little marble on the inside.

26:55BubblemanIt's got two little holes on the side here. You kind of can't see them on my camera very good, but They make for kind of a Venturi effect. When you suck, it creates a little, little spiral. And yeah, it is.

27:09SpeakerCan you guys see that? Do you see how they designed the top there? Yeah. And then they give you the pearl with it. Okay. So they, they give you more than that. I don't know what I did with the other ones. And then this like hold that air, all of that air stuff is great. This extension, it gives you, it doesn't burn your mouth.

27:31BubblemanI've heard a lot of people say, oh, it's hot on my mouth. It's like, okay, well, listen, first of all, there's different ways to hit different pipes. You can't hit this pipe like you want to reduce with your mouth and really kind of pull it in a slower fashion. Now, once it's hit one or two or three times, I find the first hit of this to be almost pure terpenes.

27:52BubblemanI like to hit it when it's at like 250 climbing and I'll just take a little hit and it's just like almost... It's just almost like pure, pure terpenes. And then I'll let it heat up a little bit and then I'll do these. I don't even know how to explain it, but almost like sucking on a milkshake with a smaller straw versus versus a big hole where you're like.

28:12SpeakerIt's a great analogy. Do you know what I mean? Because a thick milkshake, not like a watery, like a thick, thick milkshake. Like, yeah, I don't know what that would be in Canada. Like a...

28:27BubblemanI don't either, you know, funny enough, like back in the day, I will say the city that I grew up with is very ice cream friendly. And the people are definitely representative of that. Cut to the Midwest, you know, we got big people in Manitoba. We grow them big there. We got ice cream stores on every corner. But I can't like think, I mean, when you said a thick milkshake, I pictured them at like the Dairy Queen.

28:50SpeakerYes, I was going to say DQ.

28:52BubblemanBut that's the blizzard. But that's the blizzard. That's right. I don't think you could suck that up a straw.

28:56SpeakerYou got to eat it with a spoon.

29:00BubblemanThat's right. You got to eat it with the spoon. Exactly. I think I'm going to light myself up a little bowl here now that the party started. I bumped into a friend on the mountain yesterday and I hadn't seen him in months. And he pulls out all these jars. He gave me, I'd say like 10 jars that look like this. There's like a sample of, I guess it's about a gram in each jar.

29:23SpeakerYou're so lucky. Just go around.

29:26BubblemanI'm telling you, like blast everything. Blessed be is blessed. I can't even believe it.

29:34SpeakerThat's how Wendy is too. She kind of moves around and people are like, here, here you go. It's always fun to go with her to places.

29:43BubblemanIs she the one that brought you the saucer gift?

29:46SpeakerOh my God, the giant jar.

29:48BubblemanOkay, so you might also be on the list.

29:50SpeakerI should eat one right now, right? Oh my gosh. Let me get one. One second. Let me get one. Oh my God, this is how we're starting our Sunday. I gotta sign my taxes. You know what I mean? If you're going to do your taxes, you better fricking, you'd better fricking do it on a saucer. Okay, wait, I got to record it, Marcus.

30:10BubblemanSo that's not a small thing.

30:12SpeakerThis is a hundred milligrams. She's a G. She's a genius.

30:17BubblemanAnd so are those breaks? Like, can you cut that in that way?

30:21SpeakerIf you want to cut it into 10 milligram pieces, you can. 10 or 20. Let's not do math right now, Marcus. Okay. We're going to say 10. So you can do 10. They're 10.

30:31BubblemanBut that's 100, right?

30:32SpeakerYes. It's 100 milligrams. Yes.

30:34BubblemanOkay. Because it looked like there were five sections.

30:36SpeakerIt was really, really hard to make. So it's like, you got to think about it. It's like 0.18 bubble hash in each one. You know what I mean? And it's like a nine gram gummy. It's like a really small gummy. Yeah. You know? It's hard. You have to make it taste good.

30:53BubblemanI can't believe you're going to gobble down 100 milligrams.

30:55SpeakerThis is what I do, okay? Ready?

30:57BubblemanI've watched this.

30:58SpeakerYou're going to see it live. 100 milligrams down the hatch. Hash Church.

31:07BubblemanJesus Christ.

31:08SpeakerI'm on Hash Church.

31:10BubblemanThat's hardcore. Let me tell you, I took a 10 last night and I can still feel it today.

31:16SpeakerOh my God, I took a flying saucer on Friday because I don't usually take whole ones. She looks so cute. Little face.

31:24BubblemanJust eating 100 milligrams.

31:26SpeakerYeah, and she can just like down it and like five milligrams. I'm not doing any smoking or I'm just trying to do edibles, so.

31:40BubblemanReally, and what's behind that? You're just, it's just a health thing. You're kind of like something you're trying. You don't want to smoke or vaporize. What's your mindset?

31:51SpeakerWell, excuse me. I just, my whole thing is like, I started Space Jam, obviously with BHO, as we just talked about, you know, dabbing all the time. And, you know, I love dabbing. I feel like, That was a huge part of like just consumption. But I also felt like I was going overboard and becoming a little lazy and just like dabbing all the time. Like I would dab to do payroll.

32:19SpeakerEverything was like a task. You know what I mean? And then I'm like, I just can't, just like, it's not, there's no end to this. You know what I mean? It's not like one day I'm going to be like, yes, payroll or yes, like emails, you know? I was like, I got to change this up. So me changing it up was like, all right, I'm going to try this and just like, and I've never been a person to just go straightly on edibles.

32:44SpeakerAnd so I think people like ask if my dose goes up at this or that or whatever people come up with and say to me about edibles, I want to be able to like respond in a way. Actually, that doesn't happen. We're People think their dose goes up. Like my dose really hasn't went up that much. You know, like I've like eaten 10 milligrams and been like super high staring into the abyss.

33:06SpeakerI've eaten 100 milligrams and I actually puked, you know? You didn't eat 100 right now, did you? No, I only ate five. I eat those. Those are my bedtime little sweet treat before I go to sleep is I eat your, the little mini gems before bed. I just like that 11 Hydroxy lasts so long.

33:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsFor real.

33:29SpeakerI find myself... Smoking less, which, you know, I love to smoke. I love it. This, I don't know, it's like being a dragon or something. And also just like tasting. It's so nice to taste the different strains and then feel those effects so quickly. Whereas edibles, you know, I won't really feel, you'll get to see this because Hash Church is like real church in that it's long.

33:54SpeakerYou know, I was kind of surprised the first time. I was like, oh my goodness. Oh, my battery was not... Oh, shoot. I got to make sure my computer is plugged in. One second.

34:05BubblemanMy computer just eats, eats 100 milligrams, suddenly has to start troubleshooting computers.

34:14SpeakerLiterally, you should see my setup. Oh, yeah, I see what happened here. You should see my setup for my live streams. And I'm like cooking and, and doing all of this, like, Kind of dangerous. Sorry, I'm away from my mic. Kind of dangerous stuff when I'm cooking live. And I'll eat her gummies and just kind of go. It calms my brain down. I don't know how to explain it.

34:39SpeakerLike it just, I can breathe. I get an appetite. I love that. I get excited to eat food. So after this, it's like I'll go and eat a bunch of food. And yeah, edibles are just.

34:53BubblemanWhen you get like, I hear people kind of say it all the time. They get like the munchies or whatever. I do as well, but I'd like crave good food. And I suspect that's part of just my lifestyle or whatever. I remember when I was younger and my friends would get drunk. I never did that myself, but they all really liked it. And they would like, they would like, I want greasy, like they would crave nasty, shitty food.

35:18SpeakerYeah, because you want to soak up the alcohol. Like you just feel so you remember if you learned about the Krebs cycle and what alcohol does to your body because you are dehydrated and so you can't properly perform the Krebs cycle. Anyway, this is some high school shit. Right. But cannabis doesn't do that to you, right? Thank you so much for joining us.

36:01SpeakerBut like the food, it serves a different purpose. With cannabis, it like opens up your senses, right? So when you go to eat food, everything just tastes so much better. Like when I was in Thailand, that's what they said. Hey, our ancestors would put cannabis in food because it would make it taste better. It would make you want to eat more. So that's like it going weed in food makes sense to me.

36:30SpeakerIt should to everybody. But there's like a there's an art to it. And Wendy has found a way to take such a pure concentrate extraction of the plant and make that delicious in a potent, very small package, which if you're A cancer patient or you're a diabetic or you have any other kind of medical condition, you might not want to be eating a bunch of edibles to get that 100 milligram dose.

37:02SpeakerUnfortunately, the government doesn't really recognize that people have different tolerances. I mean, they do. There's the medical program, but it's not worth it. It's not worth it for manufacturers, right, Wendy? Because it's like additional... Well, it's not additional steps at this moment for the state of California. There's different rules with it that like it couldn't be a gummy. It had to be like a tincture or something else.

37:34SpeakerYou know, it could be in rosin, but yeah, not, yeah, I know. We should really... I know like someone said it to me the other day they're like you know I'm not I'm just doing this edible thing and not smoking because my lungs because I'm like 50 years old and I'm working out and like I'm excuse me I'm having issues like running you know and he's like yeah this guy actually my hash maker Jacob from Have Hash was he's like he passed me a joint and he's like nope I'm just doing edibles and He's like, well, you can't run off this like the sugar.

38:07SpeakerThe sugar is bad for you. You can't just do edibles. He's like, dude, I can run off the sugar. It's organic sugar, but I can't get the stuff out of my lungs like the tar and all that stuff. You know, I think that's very interesting.

38:21BubblemanYeah, it's for sure. You know, I'm a unique case because I stopped smoking about 30 years ago. I was, my poor wife was living in a cloud.

38:30SpeakerI was smoking like 40. Were you smoking cigarettes?

38:33BubblemanNo, I was smoking like 40 to 50 grams of joints a day.

38:38SpeakerYeah, me too.

38:39BubblemanSo it was, you know, it was like five, 10, 10, five gram joints or whatever. Like they were just big and they were always, you know, when you're burning big joints too, you're not exactly like smoking the whole thing. It's in your hand and it's just burning sort of Rasta style. You're walking around. She didn't smoke at all.

38:54SpeakerStill doesn't.

38:55BubblemanAnd so when I started making bubble and it was like melty, Thank you so much for joining us.

39:19BubblemanDuring that time that I was smoking like that, I didn't do anything else. I'm really quite a purist when I think about it. So I wasn't doing anything else, but I will tell you that I always had something in my throat. I was always like, it wasn't colorful. I wasn't hocking up black or green or gray stuff, but it was always just something there. The minute I stopped smoking and stopped vaporizing and chronically vaporizing, I haven't had that come back ever.

39:44BubblemanMy lungs are super powerful. I have no like problem with stamina in regards to lung power. Definitely beyond my age. Now, I just started smoking joints again. I'm not going to get to the point where I'm smoking, you know, 50 grams a day, but I'll smoke like one here, one there. And I've got to the point where it's quite enjoyable. It's not, I don't feel like it's affecting my throat in a negative way.

40:11BubblemanIt's not hot and burny or any of that stuff. Plus, I'm a lot smarter, you know, when you when you go back and you think like, I mean, here's a perfect example. For the longest time that when the legal market happened in Canada, they started saying, oh, you have to be so careful because the black market cannabis is dangerous. And then people are talking about, dude, we've been smoking black market cannabis for like 50 years.

40:33BubblemanLike it's not dangerous. Well, then they started testing. They started throwing contests in Canada that were both legal and black market people. But the contests themselves would test. And so we had a contest here just the other day called Heady Happenings. And six of like 28 people failed for mycobutanol spraying on the plant. And these are these are gray market brands spraying fucking poison on the plant.

41:02BubblemanYou got to think like smoking that. It's one thing if you're smoking organic flower grown in your backyard. It's quite another to smoke something that someone has that has sprayed something that wasn't designed to a be burned and then be be inhaled into your lungs, you know. A lot of these things are tested for food. And so they're tested for like how they react in your stomach, not how they react when they're burned with fire and inhaled as a vapor into your lungs.

41:36BubblemanSo it just changes it up a little bit. It's I mean, you guys in the edible world, you know, to me, the edible world is is. I mean, it's a very unique world. It is recreational, but more importantly, it's also medicinal. And even more importantly than recreational and medicinal, it's preventative. It's preventative for the people who don't realize that they're heading towards this medicinal pathway. Well, why wait?

42:06BubblemanYou know, it took me a long time to kind of be like, Why are we telling people with stage four cancer to take doses of cannabinoids, but people who are healthy, we don't have any interest in being like, hey, this is a preventative. You can just consume this. I tell all the old people I know, in the least, get some gummies that you can eat at nighttime if you're afraid, because of course, prohibition is strong and deep and the force of prohibition still exists in the elderly and they're afraid to be high, which is such a crazy thing.

42:34BubblemanImagine how much money you have to spend to get people to be afraid to be high.

42:39SpeakerIt's the most like, it's like so true. I like people, the things that people say to me all the time, like they are so afraid, but they don't mind taking a drink. You know what I mean? And like, just like, how is that not?

42:55BubblemanListen, it's, it's, it's a crime against humanity, Wendy, and I'll give you a perfect example. My uncle got cancer, a very bad cancer. My cousins were like, can you send him out your magical oil? So I get in touch with Horatio Delbert, who was a good friend of ours and a Hash Church alumni. He was the guy using D-limonene to extract resin from cannabis. So he was the one that figured out early on that...

43:21BubblemanTerpenes are hydrocarbons, just like butane and propane. And you can extract cannabinoids and volatile organic compounds using said terpenes. So he was the D-limonene guy. He made 60 grams of the most beautiful D-limonene oil. I sent it to my uncle. My uncle, you know, my uncle's a good old boy, kick shitter, shit kicker, like work for the cigarette company, you know, Wilson Morris or whatever, Phillips Morris, you know, drinker, beer drinker, steak eater, just a good old boy kind of thing.

43:54BubblemanGreat guy. Terrified of getting high. So terrified, in fact, that when I sent it to them and you keep in mind, too, with cannabis, we're always, you know, behind the BFI can metaphorically smoking out behind the store. We never get to tell our loved ones until they're fucking dying of stage four cancer. That's when that's when we get to give it to them, which is like, holy shit.

44:15BubblemanTalk about like the last minute of the last hour of the last, you know, everything. And so he gets this. And at that point, when you're stage four and you're that sick and you've got cancer ravishing your body, do you think five milligrams a night is going to help? Like, obviously, probably not like these are these are getting into larger doses. And so he was afraid and he sent me the oil back.

44:39BubblemanI took that oil and sent it to my old partner, Martin from Manitoba Harvest, the hemp company. His mother-in-law, Elsie, had metastatic bone, brain, and liver cancer. It was like a death sentence, total death sentence. She's got like eight grandkids. You know, she's got a great grand, like she's got the most, Amazing, beautiful family. My partner Martin and his wife Tara had eight beautiful children. Gaia, their first, now has his own.

45:05BubblemanThey're just an unbelievable family. Elsie gets sick. I send the oil to Elsie. Elsie's also afraid to get high. In fact, I was surprised because they're quite staunch and Christian and I wasn't quite sure she was going to eat it. She took a gram the first day. Was in a coma for 36 hours. She wakes up out of the coma. She takes another gram. She does it every day for 60 days.

45:28BubblemanShe eats a gram of cannabinoids every single day, puts all of her cancer into remission. She's still alive today, eight years later. My uncle died seven months later. So my uncle died because prohibition made him afraid to get high. And here was his fear. He was fearful that he would lose his faculties. He was fearful that he would embarrass himself and say things that he didn't want to.

45:55BubblemanAnd in the end, he literally became that. He had full-blown psychosis. He was screaming horrible, terrible things. He got into a psychotic state of mind where he was just right at the end of his life. And his biggest fear from not taking the cannabis ended up happening Thank you so much for joining us.

46:33BubblemanIt's something you should definitely look at and do some research on. And it seems to me like maybe a better idea, at least initially, than say removing parts of your body or poisoning yourself with chemotherapy. These are extreme, extreme. I'm not saying don't do it. Oh my God. Wow, those are extreme.

46:52SpeakerI just stay away from medical advice in general, especially in regards to cancer because You know, like if you watch that, there's a show, I don't know if it's Netflix that has it, Apple Cider Vinegar. Yeah, I thought you were going to say that. Yeah, because it's such a, you know, like with chemotherapy, like you said, it was like a really high amount of cannabinoids that your mom was eating.

47:17SpeakerAnd we just need more research. We need more of the medical community that's willing to find a way to work with the science that we do have. Like with breast cancer, you know, I have a friend who refused to get any kind of treatment. She was trying to cure it with like ayahuasca and like eating healthy and all of these other alternatives like the apple cider vinegar.

47:41SpeakerAnd she died. That's what happened. So, and at the end she was crying and wanted this chemo and she wanted the tumor removed. So you get to like, I think there's a real, like you said, Marcus, it's like, we're not medical professionals. And so I always just like stay kind of, and with cannabis, if you look at what cannabinoids do in your body, it's like reducing inflammation So if you're taking high amounts of cannabinoids and then you're also taking chemotherapy where the whole point of it is to attack pretty much everything, it's really attacking everything in your body because, and this is like an oversimplification of it, but this is, that's where it becomes complicated to be like, hey, take a lot of cannabis.

48:28SpeakerAnd do it, or maybe that's a good thing because it'll help with your appetite. Like there's just so many variables with the human body and each one of us, like there's a guy on Instagram and he takes a bunch of gummies and he lost his stomach to cancer and he's going through chemotherapy and the edibles help him and his appetite, you know? And so like that is...

48:52SpeakerIt's like with pregnancy with women and I get those messages. Do you get those messages, Wendy? It's like, hey, I'm pregnant. I don't know. Can I keep eating cannabis or not? And I'm like, oh, I wish I could give advice on that. But that is so out of my realm of what I can give advice on. And unfortunately with women, because we can get pregnant, they don't do medical studies on us because they're...

49:18SpeakerAll of the medical studies are really geared toward men because testing on women, it becomes more complicated because of our ability to have children. So it's a real problem within the medical community. Anyway, sorry, that was a little bit of a... No, I like it.

49:36BubblemanI was the same way up until...

49:42BubblemanI got invited to speak at a Rethink Breast Cancer conference.

49:49SpeakerOh, nice.

49:50BubblemanYeah, it was thrown by my good friend, Alison Gordon and her friend, MJ Dakota. And they started Rethink Breast Cancer here in Canada, maybe 15 years ago or more or a little bit less. Anyway. What they were doing was they kind of were discovering about 15 years ago that breast cancer was kind of this like older woman's disease and that older women weren't the only ones getting it anymore.

50:14BubblemanAnd so all of the knowledge and the information and the education was all for women in perimenopause and at the end of their cycle. And these younger women who were in their 20s and 30s that were just graduating, that were just having their families for the first time, that were just starting careers for the first time, they were getting breast cancer. And the information that they were being given wasn't relatable to them.

50:39BubblemanAnd so MJ and Allison was like, okay, this is what we're going to do. We're going to start like a fresh new conversation on breast cancer. So they invited me. I was the only random dude. It was all women. The whole audience of women with breast cancer, like they all had the little new rags covering their head because their hair had fallen out. It was very hard to be on that stage and look out at all of these women.

51:03BubblemanAnd they were all looking for one thing. They were looking for hope. That's what everyone that was there was looking for. And we're on the stage and the doctors. Are pretty much saying what Vanessa's saying. They're like, look, we can't, you know, we gotta, we gotta, and I'm looking at these women and they're just like, cause the woman got up and she asked this. She said, is it possible that THC can kill cancer?

51:25BubblemanAnd there was not a doctor that would reply yes. And they know, and I know why, and they know why, because that puts their license at risk. Now, I have no license. So I grabbed the microphone and said, listen, I'm not a doctor. Clearly, I don't have the education that any of these people have, but I can give you the hope that you're looking for. And I gave them Christina Sanchez's name, Dr. Christina Sanchez from the University of Madrid, who studied apoptosis and cannabis.

51:52BubblemanAnd she was the one that showed THC can produce apoptosis and cancerous cells with Andre Guzman at the University of Madrid. And that was like, all we wanted was a little hope. And so I just, you know, like, here's a little hope. Now, I met a woman named Judith at the end of that event. And she was, she had her big, huge firefighter husband. And she was a tiny, tiny little Thank you so much for joining us today.

52:32BubblemanYeah. Remember if I kept sending her stuff for a while, but Alison pulled me aside. She said, Mark, like, I get it. You're hopeful, but you don't understand. These women are all dying. Like they die. They all die. You know, she's seen so many of them die and she's sensitive to it. And she's she doesn't really realize she's kind of like hope crushing me right now. And I'm like, I won't accept your hope crush.

52:54BubblemanI'm going to hope for these women. Anyway, it's been 10 or 15 years and Judith is still alive. Thank you for joining us.

53:19BubblemanYou know, look into them as you will and do them. Like for me, I tell people use cannabis as a preventative so you don't have to get to a point where you maybe have like a stage four disease of some sort and you get into this situation. Here in Canada, the group Health Canada that says cannabis is a medicine Also makes a statement that says, we don't believe cannabis is a medicine.

53:42BubblemanWe forced their hand by proving in court that it's a medicine. So that's how we got federal legalization here in Canada. But on the side, Health Canada, which is basically like our FDA, says, well, we don't really believe that cannabis has any medical attributes. So we're still fighting a stubbornness that is It's, you know what? I wish Dr. David Allen was on the show right now because he was a, he's a retired cardiac thoracic surgeon.

54:09BubblemanAnd what he says about cannabis is even next level. He's talking about it like it's a essential nutrient for the body. He's talking about it like it's an antibiotic. He's talking about it. A heart surgeon.

54:22SpeakerThat is so wild because if you look at UCSF and their medical studies that come out, it's always, and like I've, listen, I'm always, I'm skeptical when I see these things coming from UCSF. It's always about how cannabis is detrimental to your heart. And I've been like, you know, you look at how they do the study, I don't, I'm not, you know, experienced enough to, to know, is that a large enough sample population to really say that it does have a detrimental, detrimental impact to your heart?

55:01SpeakerI, you know, my, my heart, it's like, you can't be like, my heart is great. So, and I smoke a lot of weed, so there's no problem there. So I'd really love to hear how he would explain those studies and like, What, how to do a better study in the future to kind of counter it, you know? That's my, my whole point is, my whole everything is more research, more data, more and more and more.

55:29SpeakerWe have lived, we have lived in like a silo of, of not being only, Mississippi is the only place that you can get cannabis from to do testing. So that's a very, like, you know, I don't know what the weed is like in Mississippi, but just to like explain why legalization or in the United States, we're trying to reschedule legalization. He was, I won't say his name, but he was talking about rescheduling to Schedule 3.

56:04SpeakerStill waiting to see what's happening with that. I've been listening to Representative AOC talk about, you know, how can we say that there's no medical benefit to cannabis? It's absolutely ridiculous.

56:19BubblemanAnd the perfect example is what you asked. Like, how can they come out and say all this about, well, they have patents. The U.S. government has patents.

56:27SpeakerYeah, they already have patents. How beneficial.

56:29BubblemanSo we go over these patents. I have a show with Dr. Allen called the Cannabis Journal Club. In volume 11, we went over cannabis for open heart surgery and how it reduces an ischemic, Thank you for watching.

56:58BubblemanThank you for joining us.

57:23BubblemanThank you so much for watching.

57:44BubblemanThe DEA came after this guy hard. Like they tried to put him in jail for, well, they did put him in jail for a while. They tried to put him in jail for life. They took his property. He had to come back and he lost his family and his sons and his like, he really like went through it, this guy, all because he was a doctor. Who is willing to say the things the doctors aren't willing to say.

58:07BubblemanAnd not only was he willing to say it, he was actually willing to scream it from a mountaintop. And he's super fucking brilliant. Like he tells stories of saving an 18 year old kid's life who was shot and he was holding his heart in his hands, massaging this kid's heart, bringing it back to life. It's like you can't understand the level of intensity. You want to talk about accountability?

58:30BubblemanCut someone's chest open and put their heart in your hands.

58:36BubblemanOh my God. Yeah. And manually pumping it with his hands. I'm just like, Oh my God, Dr. Allen, like you are a hero, dude. Holy shit. Really saving lives.

58:48SpeakerI've always had really low blood pressure. I feel like we're not even allowed to talk about like, you know, yeah, pressure. I feel like a lot of like patients don't even talk about their cannabis use either because they're afraid to, you know, like definitely there's tons of studies. I feel like not just like tons of studies, but I have tons of people that come to me and tell me what's going on with them and, you know, helping them over the years, you know, and had like, Crazy story, you know, absolutely crazy stories.

59:14SpeakerIt's quality of life. Like, you know, that's like the whole point of it is like quality of life, you know, and especially in their last years, whatever they're going to have. And they're like, yeah, we don't even talk about it with the doctor. Like we can't like once we brought it up, it just like went totally sideways, you know, and they want me to take this other medication or this other stuff to make me sick.

59:33SpeakerBut this like stuff helps me eat, helps me be able to get my body back, you know.

59:39BubblemanWell, there's a level of shame that will be associated with it for a very long time to come because of that energy that was put into it. That's sort of like, oh, oh, I see. You're a degenerate. I get it. You're a bum. That's what you are. You're a degenerate.

59:57SpeakerYou're a lazy stoner. I make for years, four years, I have told ever since I got a medical card under Prop 215, I have told my doctor I met Kaiser, which is like it's basically the United States trying to do somewhat socialized health care, but not really. I would tell them they'd be like, are you taking any other medications? I'd be like, yes, I use cannabis. And they're like, how often do you use it?

1:00:26SpeakerYou know, and I just would be I would be honest with them and tell them. And I did it intentionally because if they were going to give me anything, And there might be an adverse effect because of Cannabis, you know. Yeah, that's a true point. Yeah. They need to know.

1:00:45BubblemanThey need to know. You need to be able to tell them. But here's a perfect example. You go into the veterans hospital. You tell them that you use cannabis often. They put you into the addiction section. And now a whole host of drugs that used to be available to you are no longer available to you because you acknowledge that you use cannabis and they put you over here when you were over here.

1:01:06BubblemanAnd this is something I only just learned about recently. But this is kind of the big deal when it comes to the schedule three. You know, people fucking hate this president so much that they're willing to fight anything reasonable that he wants to do, which is like schedule three is more than reasonable. I get it's not ideal, but you have to understand what you guys are talking about right now.

1:01:27BubblemanPeople afraid to tell their doctors that goes out the window because once cannabis is acknowledged to have medicinal effects, When you acknowledge that you take it, you don't lose any of your rights with your doctor because it is now schedule three. I saw so many people fighting the fact that it was going to be scheduled. Fuck it, schedule three, it should be legal or nothing. It's like, well, there are people still suffering because it's not schedule three.

1:01:53BubblemanJust because you aren't, there's still people who are, and they're actually, unfortunately, a fairly vulnerable section of our population. So Aren't we supposed to protect the most vulnerable components of our population? I think we are.

1:02:08SpeakerI hope that he does it. I, you know, like I was for it when Biden proposed it. Like, it's great. Let's go. Let's move it. I wish it was treated like alcohol and tobacco. I think that makes sense. But that's not, if I'm being honest with myself and where our country is at, that is not what our country wants. But I think that our country can admit that cannabis has medicinal benefits.

1:02:34SpeakerAnd that is what is so that's what's bipartisan about it. If, you know, if we're being frank and I think that's why it's being put forward and being, you know, it's it's going through the government governmental channels that it has to go through right now. And hopefully it's being expedited and pushed forward because it creates so many jobs as well, not just helping people medically. It also helps with our economy, which it creates a local we can really We're not just kind of isolated in California.

1:03:06SpeakerIt's like, would there be opportunities for us to have interstate relationships?

1:03:19SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

1:03:35BubblemanYeah, well, that's it. Even when it's not, it is. You know, there's a patent 6630507, which basically proves CBD decreases stroke by up to 50%. This is another patent that's owned by the US government. That's the US government patent that literally is them saying, here's the thing about a patent. You can't lie on a patent, okay? So when you get a patent, you can pretty much know that that is gonna be the truth.

1:04:04BubblemanYou can't lie on a patent. You can't like make up a bunch of bullshit and then patent it. It has to have like some sort of footing where it can stand on its own weight. It has to be tested. And so US patent number 6630507 titled Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants was granted to the US Department of Health and Human Services In 2003, okay? Wow.

1:04:30BubblemanThis patent highlights antioxidant properties. So cannabinoids have been identified as having antioxidant properties independent of MNDA receptor antagonism, making them potentially useful in treating a variety of oxidization associated diseases. Those would be like the neuroprotective applications. The patent specifically notes the potential on cannabinoids in limiting neurological damage post ischemic events. Just what I mentioned earlier in the other one, like a stroke, treating neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and HIV, dementia, non-psychoactive cannabinoids.

1:05:09BubblemanIt emphasizes the use of non-psychoactive cannabinoids like CBD, but also THC. So these patents exist.

1:05:17SpeakerWould that be THCA or would that, right?

1:05:21BubblemanYeah, well, it mentions it actually as THC.

1:05:26SpeakerOkay. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I was like, yeah, please. Yeah. Okay. That's great. Yeah. I feel like I've read that before. Oh my God. That's so wild. So I reread it and to know that I didn't know that about pounds either. Whatever is on there is like proof. You cannot lie on a patent. Thank you for saying that too.

1:05:47BubblemanYeah, yeah. It's like they, it's why when you apply for a patent, it goes through the scrutiny, right? It's just like when you write a scientific paper, you can't just make a claim. People will have to refute your claim and you have to prove yourself. That's why, you know, there's a difference between feelings and science. They're totally different things. We can feel a certain way and want it to be so, but it's not, that's not what makes things so.

1:06:12BubblemanThat's not proof. That is not approved.

1:06:15SpeakerYeah, even my people's experiences. Which brings us full circle back to edibles. And one question that was brought up to me by someone who will also not be named, that was decarboxylation of hash in a fat. And I lab tested whether you can do that with flour. And then Wendy brought me some hash from down from Humboldt, which was really nice. And so I lab tested that as well, looking at the decarboxylation rate over three hours in different oils.

1:06:49SpeakerI did olive oil and MCT oil. And as I suspected, It just takes a really long time to decarboxylate hash once it's in a fat. Hi, Colin. I don't know if that's like the reasoning behind that. That is just what my data has, the lab tests have shown me. When I put it in the oven, get the oil to 245, same temperature, I would decarboxylate. Everyone decarboxylates in the oven.

1:07:21SpeakerAnd I put cold water hash into an oil, dissolve it, stirring it and stirring it throughout the process. It takes a really long time, a lot longer than if I were to decarboxylate it separately. Like, you know, Wendy, you can, I don't know if you want to talk about your process, but like, you know, these are things that we test and I'm always testing because I otherwise it's like this feels stronger.

1:07:49SpeakerNo, this definitely works. And it's like, yes, you'll decarb a good amount of it. But if you're trying to decarboxylate all of it, like it upwards of three hours. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. It also kind of when you heat oil, even at that lower temperature for that amount of time. Thank you for joining us today.

1:08:28BubblemanSo just to be clear, you're talking about the oil as a buffer, like decarbing in oil versus just decarbing the product not in an oil much quicker, much more effective.

1:08:38SpeakerAnd then putting it in the oil after it's decarboxylated, right? If you take hash and most people just put it in the oven or I've tested sous vide, you can put it in a vacuum sealed bag and put it into water and do it very low. I even don't hate, don't hate Marcus, but sometimes people only have microwaves. So I also lab tested, can you do it in the microwave?

1:09:02SpeakerAnd yes, it's like possibly, there's a, is it good for the terpenes?

1:09:07BubblemanDon't feel bad about using a microwave. Colin makes his terpenes using a microwave.

1:09:10SpeakerYeah, it's just, it's a At one point I have.

1:09:16Collin PalmerAt one point I did. You're not wrong, brother. It's a heating tool, you know?

1:09:20BubblemanDude, but listen, there's assumptions that are made. Look, when Rosin came out and we were pressing at 200 degrees Fahrenheit, literally every BHO guy was like laughing. They were like, oh my God, they're just destroying everything. And it's like... There's no, it all tastes like burnt popcorn. I've still yet to taste burnt popcorn rosin. Like my rosin tastes heavenly and wonderful and delicious. But, you know, these are the assumptions that we make.

1:09:44BubblemanI think sometimes science turns to bro science and it's just not, it's not an accurate, you know, sort of. So we got it. We got to be careful with that. Welcome, by the way, Colin. Thanks for showing up. How was Ava's lacrosse game? Did she win?

1:10:03Collin PalmerYes, it was insane. So good for her. It's crazy how when you you have you have a child who goes through life stages and you're like, you get sucked into this stuff and you're like, oh, this is crazy. Like, how old is she now? Nine. So you're at nine year old lacrosse. Dude, it's nuts. Yeah, it's wild. So, you know, it's cool. It's amazing to see young people develop.

1:10:29Collin PalmerAnd I love, yeah, I love her energy. So it's cool. Yeah. Well, good for her.

1:10:35BubblemanGlad she won. I was hoping.

1:10:37Collin PalmerYeah. So one thing I want to say is like I've noticed that too over the years and I've always wondered why and I've always looked into it. And it has something to do with CO2 and how that reacts and how that escapes.

1:10:51SpeakerThat's what I thought too. It's like the oil kind of creates like a buffer in it. Like it keeps, I don't want to let it release it, you know?

1:10:59Collin PalmerYeah. It regulates the CO2 and how that CO2 as it's being produced, how that, that yeah, is, is released. So yeah, it's slower equals a longer set point. Right.

1:11:16SpeakerSo that's, that's all I was saying. It's not that, you know people could there are so many different ways to decarboxylate and infuse and there's not one right way you know i think that's kind of this myth that's put out there is like you have to hit this certain temperature for this certain amount of time otherwise it'll never work and you've wasted your your your weed you know it's like No, if you kind of just, you could let it sit out at room temperature for long enough and you'll, like, it'll slowly start to decarboxylate.

1:11:52SpeakerIt'll take forever, but, and it'll degrade too, especially if you expose it to light.

1:11:58BubblemanDecarboxylate into CBN.

1:12:00SpeakerYeah. It takes a long time though. It does. It really does. It takes a really long time. Yeah. You know, we make our own CBN, so with Bobble Hush. So yeah, just that whole game of it, like cooking it to the certain time. Yeah. Everyone thinks it's going to go there.

1:12:20Collin PalmerYou know, and imagine a more surface area and an open vac chamber. Maybe it could shorten times and help with stuff like that. And just thinking my process mind happens and things like that when I hear, you know, it takes X amount of time. But it's just not, to your point, it's not feasible at scale, right? So we have to decarb the oil or the input material or whatever you're using and then blend those back together.

1:12:47Collin PalmerSo it doesn't have that rancid... Kind of vibe, right?

1:12:51SpeakerSo, yeah.

1:12:52BubblemanYeah, they're using bubble. Wendy's using bubble hash to do her edible. So I'd love to hear a little bit about that, like how you went from oil to bubble hash and kind of the differences in regards to the SOPs that you had to follow. You know, because it's they're definitely different products. And then really, ideally, I'd love to hear about the different effects that you felt like.

1:13:13BubblemanAre you taking bubble hash and turning it into rosin? Are you taking bubble hash and soaking it, you know, without giving away your SOPs or anything?

1:13:21SpeakerOh, yeah. No, I know. Are you going to say soaking it in ethanol? Were you about to say that?

1:13:25BubblemanNo.

1:13:26SpeakerOkay, cool.

1:13:31BubblemanI was going to say soaking it in a plant fat or something, but not.

1:13:34SpeakerOkay, cool. My vibes. That's my vibes. Totally. I know. Oh my God. I guess I'm piped up about it. That's what my research has been this weekend. So I should just shut up. But yeah, I started Space Jam in 2013. You know, I started because I was like a huge jabber. You know, like I love jabbing. I love getting... I felt like bubble hash when I first did a first like flag of bubble hash.

1:14:03SpeakerLike I feel like I was like talking to a wall. I got so high. You know what I mean? Like I like totally remember that. So I feel like before Space Jam, I was like a grower and like just growing. I was on the forums and stuff like THC Farmer and stuff like that. And just learning about all the different ways. And I think once I saw edibles, I was, Like, whoa, I could like do this and not be a grower just because selling weed as a woman is just not always the best thing, you know?

1:14:33SpeakerAnd with Space Jam, like I was like, if I could just make little candies and then just sell them to everyone, like, yeah, people are going to want them. People want to not have the part of like taking the torch and the dab and all that stuff with them, you know?

1:14:50BubblemanOh, yeah. It's a little bit much. Let's just be honest.

1:14:53SpeakerIt's like a little bit much. Yeah, just the packing. I was like, but a little edible is perfect. And I was a single mom, you know, so... I just, you know, I couldn't really get a job. I don't know, just like all worked out. I guess I'm going in the whole story of it, but. Please do. Yeah, I definitely first started with BHO, you know, definitely living in Humboldt.

1:15:14SpeakerI feel very blessed because I'm like around cannabis like nonstop and, you know, just all the different methods too, so. You know, we first used oil and like just the supply chain of it got to be like kind of crazy because the two guys that I was like getting it from, they were Southern Humboldt Concentrate and they won the Amsterdam Cup for their Super Lemon OG and the BHO.

1:15:42SpeakerAnd it was just hard. They were getting super popular. So just like getting the amount of it. And as I'm like on Instagram, I noticed that Matt Rise keeps like posting Fug BHO, all this stuff. I would like get into it with him on the comments. Like, you don't know what you're talking about, but actually I didn't know what I was talking about. And then I started listening and I realized that, you know, standing in front of Space Jam at like an event and an old man asking me about what I know is if I know all the BHO is like, Out of it, all the butane is out.

1:16:21SpeakerI was like, I don't really know. So, yeah, I guess I just started with bubble hash. It was definitely like a little learning curve. I made these like gummies. They're called space gems. They're little space drops. And when I sold them at the dispensary and said I changed everything, I changed everything with the bubble hash. I made all organic ingredients. Thank you. Thank you.

1:17:13SpeakerNot MCT oil either. It's like organic coconut oil. I think that that's like a big thing to say.

1:17:17BubblemanNice. It's interesting that you bring up Matt Rice multiple times. I definitely sold, I definitely sold him bags back in the day. And I remember when Matt first started coming around and, you know, he, in the, in the, in the early days, you know, and I've shouted him out before, Matt, myself, friends, You know, Nick T, Frenchie, Cannoli. In fact, Matt and Frenchie were both really, you know, they got on the map because of Subcool.

1:17:45BubblemanWithout Subcool's materials, like, that's what Matt was using all the time. That's what Frenchie was using it. And in Sub's defense, his fucking materials were incredible like you couldn't make you couldn't not make great hash if you got your shit from sub he was just one of those anomalies and it was the same thing with his seeds he'd send me seeds oh here try this it's the cuvee you know try this one it's the jack's cleaner try this one they were all just fucking fire they always produce what i would call like if given to the right grower A full melt genetic.

1:18:20BubblemanThey were like, in fact, I remember back in the day I was going to start a seed company called Full Melt Genetics and it was going to carry basically all of Subcool's seeds because they were such quality seeds. And so, you know, between Matt and the fuck BHO, Nickatee kind of going about it a little bit more, you know, less punch me in the mouth and more like I'm just trying to create a community.

1:18:44BubblemanSo he created, he created The solventless, right? There's his term right there, solventless. That's my solventless quiver. Dry sift, bubble hash, and rosin. But so he started the solventless because, you know, and he told me this story many times. He's like back in the day in Colorado. When everyone started dabbing, I guess around 08 or whenever it was, it was dabbing was BHO. And if someone said, hey, do you have dabs?

1:19:12BubblemanIt was BHO. And he was like, he didn't like that everyone was calling dabs BHO. And he was like, no, but you can dab water hash. you can dab ice wax bubble hash whatever you want to call it and so we had this like i'm the bubble hash guy matt's the ice wax guy nicotine's the solventless guy in the end i didn't really care because i was just selling everyone bags whatever you want to call it call it kind of thing but those guys definitely had um an important part in popularizing quality Because they had access to it.

1:19:43BubblemanAnd so they were able to show this caliber of resin that, you know, you couldn't, you couldn't, your mouth would just water when you saw the pictures, when you saw this stuff. And it was, you know, Nickity and Matt definitely went about it in a very different way. Like Nickity wants to, he wants to party. He wants to play the music and get everyone hopping. And Matt wants to get under your skin so badly that you just want to punch him in the mouth when he does it.

1:20:13BubblemanYou must have heard that he's been punched in the mouth multiple times. Like he would go to events and then it would be on the internet. Did you hear? Matt Rice got knocked the fuck out. And I was like, oh boy. Oh, Matt. Oh, Matt. I still respect him for his part that he played in it. Now, you know, did I like how he went about it?

1:20:33Etienne FontanNot necessarily.

1:20:34BubblemanHe caused me a lot of grief and angst. He would go on my sites and be a huge dick and then I'd have to like kind of tell him don't be a dick and then he'd be mad at me and I'd be like, dude, like, You just, you know, it's like we got to all sort of survive together. And I was learning at the same time. I remember going on the internet and being a dick, like not to everyone, but you can be nice to a thousand people.

1:20:55BubblemanOne person could poke your buttons and then you're a dick to that person. Well, that person is a Reddit expert. They're not going to spend the next seven years on Reddit destroying you and your brand. And I met that person like, Six or seven times. I met the one guy. His name was Joe Petrie. I don't know if you know about this self-admitted rat in his book, The King of Nepal.

1:21:17BubblemanBut holy fuck, this guy wrote multiple articles about me and hilarious shit. Skunk Man Sam, too. He wrote an article that Skunk Man Sam created me, that the bubble man was a creation of Skunk Man Sam and how I ripped off the bag industry and how I'm selling. What did he call it? It was a great quote. It was... Cheap nylon at wedding dress prices, I think was his quote for the bubble bags.

1:21:42BubblemanCheap nylon for wedding day prices. He just, this guy hated me so bad. In the end, I kind of got to thank him, which I've kind of helped. Thank you for watching.

1:22:19BubblemanIt's a, you learn from these experiences. Joe Petrie really, you know, what he did was he wanted to get me in any way that he could. And I'll tell you how crazy humanity is. This is how fucking crazy it is. I'm at the Tokers Bowl in 2003. This is a Mark Emery event in Vancouver. He's spending like $200,000.

1:22:40SpeakerI could not think of his name all week. Thank you, Mark Emery. Yeah, that was his name. I've been trying to talk about it.

1:22:46BubblemanVery polar character. Holy Christ, you started bringing it up. I don't know about Mark Emery. But he threw this event called the Tokers Bowl. And I had a booth at the Tokers Bowl. And it was a small little local event. And I went to the booth. And my good friend, Chris Bennett, who's like a cannabis historian, he's wrote a ton of books. He's an author. And so he represents empathy for authors.

1:23:08BubblemanHe always, so he comes up to me, he's like, look, dude, there's this guy, he wrote a book called King of Nepal, but he doesn't have anywhere to put it. Would you be willing to put it at your booth? And I was like, fuck, of Of course, dude, like my booth is his booth is your booth. Like you can both put your books down, of course. So they ended up putting some books down and Joe ended up hanging out at my booth.

1:23:28BubblemanI actually had a really good time with him. He's an older kind of rough kind of, you know, New York kind of guy. He's got his real attitude and I liked him. I like characters. I like stereotypes. I like, I like how we all play our part. And Joe was kind of a decent guy. He had this book. I, you know, all my bags are made in Nepal.

1:23:46BubblemanMy partner lives in Nepal. He's married to a Nepali woman. He has five Nepali children. Bubble Bags is incredibly connected to Nepal. And so the fact that he wrote a book on Nepal, I was like, oh, this is like so cool. And Chris introduced me. And so he comes and hangs out for the whole weekend. At one point in time, we're about to do a demo. And we're going to do a demo with the bubble bags.

1:24:08BubblemanAnd we've got a bunch of weed and I've got a couple of ounces. And he had a bit of weed, like five or six grams. He's like, here, throw this in. So he throws this five or six grams in and we make a little batch. And You know, it might have even been a 200 gram batch because it wasn't a one gallon. It was a five gallon.

1:24:22BubblemanAnd the reason I remember that is because we started it at Mark Emery's store in the basement and we ended up moving to a school bus that was taking us to a restaurant. Oh, you got both eggs. That's what's up. I didn't notice that's what you were holding. I was like, what is she holding up? Like a giant like thermos or something? I thought it was like one of those like, you know, the girl jokes.

1:24:44BubblemanHave you seen the guys that joke around carrying the big Stanley cups, but they're carrying like garbage cans with a straw in it? Have you seen these guys?

1:24:51SpeakerOh my God. Should I make a cocktail? Should I make an infused cocktail that I drink out of the, out of the... The bubble bucket. The bubble bucket.

1:24:59BubblemanThat is hilarious.

1:25:00SpeakerA bubble bucket infused drink for 420. Yes. I think I should do that.

1:25:06BubblemanI think you should as well. So to finish the story, we ended up moving. I ended up making the rest of that batch with DJ Short, actually, Dan, on a school bus with Mark Emery. We're making hash, driving through Vancouver. Anyway, at the end of the event, a couple weeks go by, and he calls me up. And he goes, hey, thanks for sharing your booth. That was great.

1:25:26BubblemanBy the way, I wanted to send you that money. And I said, oh, you don't owe me any money, dude. I told you you could just put your books on the booth for free. And he goes, well, no, for the bags. And I said, for what bags? He said, well, I grabbed a set of bags. I said, what? He said, yeah, I just grabbed a set of bags and I wanted to pay you for them.

1:25:45BubblemanAnd of course, this would have been a good moment in time for me to realize that being reactive was probably not the best thing for me to do. But I couldn't wrap my head around this guy telling me that.

1:25:58SpeakerTotally weird.

1:25:59BubblemanI'm like, what are you talking about? You took some bags. They're like $300. What are you talking about? And so I kind of was, he's like, don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. I'm calling you now. I'm like, no, it's kind of a big deal, dude. Like that's kind of like stealing. Like I was at the booth with you the entire time. When could you have possibly taken those bags?

1:26:19BubblemanLike, did you wait for me to go to the bathroom and then shove them in your, so I'm kind of getting a little like upset and you know, I got a bit of a personality that can rub people the wrong way. Anyway. I rubbed this guy the wrong way. He finishes our phone call with this statement. I am going to do everything I can in my power to destroy you.

1:26:41BubblemanAnd then hung up. I was like, what the fuck? And then he did. He wrote three articles in Treating Yourself that were scathing, liable, and slanderous cannabis articles about me and Skunk Man Sam. No, it was amazing. Sam and I would laugh about it. Even Sam told me, he's like, you've made it. They're writing slanderous articles about you. They've been doing this to me for 30 years.

1:27:07BubblemanI was like, holy shit, dude. It was crazy. In fact, The editor of that magazine, Marco Rendo, rest in peace to him because he's since passed away. He was in Amsterdam one year and I remember Dave coming up to me, skunk man, and being like, hey, or maybe it was Diana, his wife. Dave wants to pie Marco Rendo. So in Europe, if you want to assault someone, you have to do it with like whipped cream and then it's not considered assault.

1:27:34BubblemanSo if you throw like a pie full of whipped cream in front of a politician's face, it is not an assault. They allow this in the Netherlands. So if you Google it, you can watch politicians getting pied in the Netherlands because there is no criminal charge. So Dave hires these two girls. And fills up these trays full of fucking whipped cream. And they walk up to him.

1:27:58BubblemanAnd Diana at the time was like, do you think you could film it? And I was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll film it. And so I filmed Marco Rendo getting pied for the day for the Petrie, the Joseph Petrie articles. That he wrote about us. Now, he even went further and he ended up getting in touch with Reinhard Delp. And this is why I want to thank Joe Petrie.

1:28:18BubblemanHe ended up getting in touch with Reinhard Delp. And Reinhard Delp, for those of you that don't know, he's kind of. He's not the first block in the wall that is water extraction, but he's a very, very early block. So there was the unknown American who turned out to be Ed Rosenthal, who told Neville that resin sinks in water. This was in the 80s. Resin sinks in water.

1:28:42BubblemanNeville, the breeder, tells Skunk Man Sam with Rob Clark. Did you know that the resin is heavy and it's still affected by gravity and it sinks in the water? 1988, they create the Satu Sam water extraction secret. They put an advertisement out in 1988 High Times Magazine. You send them 10 bucks and they send you this jar check information, a taco shaking bud in a jar. And this is like a stainless steel brewery, conical brewery tank where he's mixing inside with a linear actuator.

1:29:10BubblemanEverything's falling down, not based on micron size.

1:29:31BubblemanThank you for joining us.

1:29:47BubblemanAnd you could see the different color resins as they were falling and settling a lighter color to a darker color. And you could open that up and release the lighter stuff and then close it. And so how you got your grades was not through micron isolation, but it was through the maturity, which was super cool. Like Reinhardt was a super cool dude in the end. Petrie linked up with Reinhardt and started fanning the flames.

1:30:12BubblemanAnd he got Reinhardt to basically sue all of us that were doing water extraction. I ended up in a multi-year, very long lawsuit with Reinhardt Delp. I was partnered up with Lucy, the extractor woman. I was partnered up with Jason from Payload Bags. Mila wanted nothing to do with it. But three of us, in the end, we learned the true history. We learned that the bags were invented by Eldon on Mark Mark on Mila's couch with Mark Rose watching the ice cold extractor.

1:30:39BubblemanHe came out with the bag idea. And this is why I ended up paying the money to Reinhard Delp. And this is why Jason paid money to Reinhard Delp. And this is why Lucy paid money to Reinhard Delp. So it's not bad when you learn the true history of something. And I told myself when I went into the lawsuit, I wasn't going to use the lawyers to manipulate myself in a way to get out of paying if I owed.

1:31:02BubblemanI told myself, if this machine has anything to do with the bags in a major way, I'm going to pay this guy out. And that's what I did. I paid him out some decent amount of paper. For all of the bags I sold and then all of the bags that I will sell in perpetuity. But yeah, that history is crazy.

1:31:24SpeakerI'm really happy you just talked about all about that history, you know, and just the fact of like, I just want to say just like being an ice water hash edible, like I get a lot of shit, you know what I mean? And like you, the fact I'm sure you've been in rooms that were like uncomfortable and stuff and like having to see people that makes me feel like, Uncomfortable?

1:31:44BubblemanYou have no idea the level of uncomfortable, Wendy. First of all, Mila ran Amsterdam. Mila was the hash queen of Amsterdam and everyone hated me on behalf of Mila. The love they had for Mila was the hate they had for me.

1:32:02SpeakerOh my God.

1:32:03BubblemanOh, it was serious. It was real. It was the real deal. I mean, at one point, her daughter came up to one of my booths in Germany one day and she said, look, full disclosure, I am Mila's daughter. I said, no problem. Welcome. What can I do for you? She said, well, first of all, I had to come over and meet you because it's gotten to the point where there's no way Thank you so much for watching.

1:32:40BubblemanCalling magazines and telling them not to write articles or publish my articles, like all sorts of just crazy stuff. It's like, hey, you know, come on, we're all a part of this community. But you know what? Honestly, I thank her for it nowadays. It was all part of my journey and it was quite a journey.

1:32:57SpeakerYeah, totally. Quite a journey. I know to be a part of like a multi-lawsuit too, just to like talk about, to pay it out. What are you showing us?

1:33:09BubblemanThat's the XTR instructions from Reinhard Delp.

1:33:14BubblemanYou're muted, ATN. Even though you're not muted, I can't hear you. But you're not muted. It's not showing that you're muted, but I'm not here. There.

1:33:22Etienne FontanNow I can hear you. My mic was off. This is, I had the original extractor. I got it at, and so these were the instructions. Highly enough printed on my ex-wife's stationery. But just how it was back in the 90s when I got it back in 97, 98. So yeah, since you were talking about that, I was like, wow, I just found my actual old instruction. It would have been 98.

1:33:43Etienne Fontan98 then, yeah.

1:33:44BubblemanHe came up with it in 97. He got the patent in 98 and he didn't show it to Mila till 98. And then, funny enough, that's when Isolator Bags came out months after they saw the machine. And I, you know, it's weird as you get older. I look back and first of all, welcome, ATN. Fucking awesome to see you, dude. Much love. I look back at it and just think like, It seemed like the isolator bags had been around for decades.

1:34:13BubblemanThey'd been around for like six months before I released my bags. I still can't wrap my head around that. My bags came out in November, or sorry, March of 1999. I had bags earlier that were being R&D'd, but I first sold my first set of bags To high grade the DWC bucket grower on overgrow.com. He was my first customer, online customer because I had sold to my friends prior to that.

1:34:40BubblemanBut yeah, that was in March of 1999. Amila came out with the isolator bags in 98 at the Cannabis Cup. So that would have been in November.

1:34:53BubblemanWell, yeah, it's good to just kind of go over the history of these things. And you know what? We all kind of sometimes have a little bit of a different history. I have people all the time tell me that they have been using my bag since 94. And I'm like, that's amazing. That's like literally five years before I came up with them. So like, I don't know what you're doing, but keep doing it, dude.

1:35:11BubblemanYou're ahead of the fucking curve. Like, actually, it's just delusion. Anyone can do it.

1:35:20SpeakerI know you and I just, Mark, you just had like a thing like with my accountant and he just told me a story about you in Jamaica. I like came, I like even showed you little clips of it of like, is this true? You know, just like his version and your version are totally different. Totally different.

1:35:38BubblemanI didn't remember it like that though, but I guarantee you I met him. He didn't look overly familiar, but I've had this experience before.

1:35:47SpeakerI totally think that his part, okay, so my accountant, and this is actually, I like reached out to him like last Sunday, but my accountant basically said that he met Mark in Jamaica. Mark just came, do you mind if I just tell his story?

1:36:01BubblemanYeah, yeah, but do the timeline. When did he meet me in Jamaica?

1:36:05SpeakerSo it was just like, he had a baby, you had a baby too. So it was in 1990. I know it was like in 2000s or something. Sorry, 1998. Because your daughter's 25. He said his daughter's 25, about to turn 26. Yep. So it's like that timeline is like pretty good. You know, you met him on the beach. You like tripped over him. It was like right when you first came there and stuff.

1:36:29SpeakerAnd just like you brought the bubble bags to Jamaica and you were like it was your first time bringing them and you were just excited and You needed, you were going to go make some bubble hash for some Rastafarians. And, you know, when he took you on the experience, you know, took you in a car or whatever. And he said the mountain. So, of course, he says the mountain, but, you know, whatever.

1:36:55SpeakerBut you got there and you're like, okay, I need ice. And I need electricity. And at that moment, like Rastafarians don't believe in ice because it's like all natural, you know, and obviously they're on an island. And so it's just like they don't have ice and they don't have electricity. So then that didn't work out. So then they like went down to like where my friend was staying at his place, his rental, and made ice water hash.

1:37:22SpeakerIt had ice, you know, there's an ice machine. And then you had like, said it was like a cake batter mixer. You know, you took like an hour like blending it and all this stuff and Yeah, then you like came out with it wet and you couldn't smoke it at that moment. And, you know, you talked about just like the bubble hash and you had like a Grateful Dead piece and it was bubbling and that's why you called it bubble hash when you light it, you know?

1:37:48SpeakerAnd yeah, just, you know, a little story.

1:37:51BubblemanTons of it is accurate. There's like a lot of it is accurate. So first... My first trip to Jamaica was in 95 when I got married with my wife. This was pre-bubble bag. So I had been to Jamaica. It wasn't my first time to Jamaica, but it's very likely that he met me when I did first bring the bubble bags to Jamaica. So that would have been 01.

1:38:15BubblemanAnd my daughter was just born that year. It could have also been 02. She might have been like one.

1:38:20SpeakerYeah, and like he had a daughter too on the beach and you left the wife. Well, this is his story that you left your wife and the baby with his wife and the baby.

1:38:29BubblemanYeah, we did that multiple times. I just don't remember.

1:38:32SpeakerYeah, that's so funny.

1:38:33BubblemanHis face. Yeah, no, it's crazy.

1:38:35SpeakerOh yeah, he used to have like long dreadlocks and stuff. Obviously now he's older and is like, you know, got a CPA's license and does my taxes, but it's definitely like Grateful Dead. And yeah, definitely still spun. I'll tell you that, you know, too. Yeah. Well, you're right.

1:38:50BubblemanIt is neat how we remember things differently because one of the things he remembered was that I stayed with him for like a month.

1:38:57SpeakerYeah, that might have been an over-exaggeration. I think I, you know, you stayed for like an hour because you got robbed. He says that you like put your stuff down.

1:39:07BubblemanWe did get robbed in Jamaica.

1:39:09SpeakerAt like a rental or whatever, like a really nice rental and all your stuff.

1:39:15BubblemanNo, the time, how we got robbed was Jamaicans back then would never take your stuff because that's a death sentence, right? If they get caught with that stuff, they're going to get, the police will kill them. So they only take money. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a fact. Like, trust me. I'm sure, I believe you, yeah. Tourism is number one in Jamaica. It's like, why you don't hear of a lot of violent, like, crimes against tourists in Jamaica?

1:39:42BubblemanLike, they fuck with each other, and they kill each other at a crazy rate, and they... Thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you next time.

1:40:02BubblemanYou know, I was befriending all of these dudes in the house that I was renting in Negril off, you know, up on the hills away from the beach. And I had been befriending these different dudes and showing them how to make water hash, different Rastas, guys that owned like Itel Kitchens. And what happened was this guy came in and they said there's some sort of aerosol spray that they'll spray into the room to make sure the people who are sleeping don't wake up because that's what they don't want.

1:40:33BubblemanAnd somehow he removed one of the bars on the windows because of course there's bars on it. Every entrance and hole and window into the house in Jamaica, you got to lock them up. He managed to like pull one bottom of one out and like fit through this super narrow, it probably like hurt him and cut him up. But he got into the room and he just stole a bunch of cash.

1:40:55BubblemanI had Thank you so much for joining us.

1:41:23BubblemanYou know, eventually he got found. He had robbed a bunch more people. He wasn't violent. He wasn't using a knife or fear tactics. He was a B&E steel in the night kind of expert. But we had our kid in that house and we were like pretty like not stoked about that experience. But I was definitely... My naive mind was opened a little bit. And I even talked to them.

1:41:46BubblemanOnce we found out, I was like, that's crazy that you wouldn't tell me. And they were just like, man, the problems that could cause me Here where I live for telling you where you're visiting, it just doesn't, it doesn't equal the same of what you would get from it. What are you going to get from it? What do you care if you know who the crackhead is that robbed you?

1:42:09BubblemanYou know, from my perspective, it was like, well, so I can like just know. So I don't have to like, you know, when I see that guy, I'm going to be like, hey, dude, what the fuck? Like, don't be coming around my property. But they didn't want to tell me they protected him. And I see this all sorts of ways. It's human nature. Any group of people and you see it how I really saw it and was disconcerted is in corporations.

1:42:32BubblemanCorporations are set up to protect the worst people. And at the end of it, when it's so horrible, it's probably horrible. It's the biggest bummer about, you know, corporate entities. And I get it. Like, we all have a different reality. So obviously, when you see things in a corporation and you think you're perceiving them one way, there's definitely maybe other perspectives. But I think some shit is cut and dry.

1:43:00BubblemanAnd shitty is shitty. And you can kind of know when it's shitty. But yeah, I don't know what it is.

1:43:06SpeakerIt's just human nature to think anytime a place says we're a family. Does that make sense? Like, I don't know. I say we're a family. What's one of my say wrong? You say that? Well, we're a family at work. Yeah. Yeah, we're a family. We all help each other. I know. I think about restaurants. I think about when it becomes like that, it gets tricky, right?

1:43:33Collin PalmerOh, yeah. It's totally tricky.

1:43:35SpeakerI think it's not family. I think it's fam.

1:43:51SpeakerYeah, I think there has to be like, there has, because for some people, family is not a good, it's not a good thing, right? A family can be, you're not wrong. That's all, that's my point. It's like, and for a lot of people, depending on like, if it's a corporation that has a really toxic work culture, right? Like there's, there's expectations of either like, hey, you have to drink or you have to, You can't clock out before this time like you have to show you're committed that you're willing to cover up uh that you're willing to cover up bad actions things like that that's when it becomes like not a good not a good way of looking at how to run a business and uh um anything right like anything so it just i don't know what the solution is to that i think it's You know, having clear boundaries, like any, how do you have a good relationship with your family?

1:44:54SpeakerIt's like, you respect people's boundaries. You try, you respect, like, you just try to empathize with that person. So anyway, I don't know what tangent I'm going on. That fucking saucer is.

1:45:08BubblemanI was going to say, I know what tangent, I know what tangent I'm going on.

1:45:14SpeakerI was like glowing. I'm just glowing.

1:45:21BubblemanYeah, I don't I don't know if you guys were watching Colin and Etienne, but Vanessa just like down the hatched 100 milligram saucer that Wendy made a little like maybe about an hour ago now, 45 minutes or how do you feel? How are we feeling over there?

1:45:43SpeakerI feel great. I was like, you know, Waiting for it to kick in and then it just kind of started nicely hitting while we were, you know, it's fun.

1:45:55Etienne FontanI'd be drooling. The slow creep on, huh? It's just creeping up on you on the shoulder.

1:46:01SpeakerHi, I have a good relationship with an edible high, so...

1:46:12Etienne FontanLiterally.

1:46:13SpeakerSeasoned. Yes. My brain likes it. Yeah.

1:46:17Etienne FontanYeah. Your titration level is a tad higher than your normal average donor is basically what I'm saying.

1:46:23Collin PalmerI'm with you on that, Vanessa. I like a good strong.

1:46:27SpeakerPeople always ask about my eyes too. They're always like, why are your eyes always so white? I have no idea. I have no idea.

1:46:36Etienne FontanLower interocular pressure.

1:46:38SpeakerOh, there you go. Yeah, there you go.

1:46:40Etienne FontanExtremely low. Well, you know, the pressure causes the pushing out of the eyes, which can cause the veins to push out. So when the eyes relax. I have low blood pressure. Right? So, you know, that's what happens. It doesn't push out. So, you know, that's a good thing. But too low a blood pressure is, you know, can be its own problem.

1:46:58SpeakerThat's crazy. And what's crazy is you ate a hundred. I ate a five. I totally feel my five too. Cause I was like explaining when I had to explain space show, I was like, oh no, this is like right when it like hit me too. You know? And it's like so crazy how a hundred and a five and how they're like so different. And yeah. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1:47:45BubblemanGo ahead.

1:47:46SpeakerOh, just wait. Oh, my God. This is my favorite thing to talk about right now. Okay, so we created, because like, how are you going to do Indica, Sativa, and Hybrid, like all with like bubble hash, right? That just doesn't work, right? You can't just wash one's like strains. And I don't know, that whole Indica, Sativa thing, I just think it's like hard to... You know, because like plants, whatever, it's just regionally sometimes, you know, I don't know your opinion on it, but just saying, I just don't think everything's like hybrid.

1:48:21SpeakerEverything's mixed now, you know, so but edible people want to know how they're going to feel. So we did mushrooms like lion's mane. That's what this one, the sativa one has lion's mane in it. Our hybrid have cordyceps in it. Our CBN has reishi in it. And our CBD THC has like turkey tail. But when we put the hash and the mushrooms together, and it was like, it took like a little bit longer to like, you know, because it's your first run.

1:48:54SpeakerIt boiled. It boiled the ice, the coconut oil was not warm. Ice water, like, I mean, the mushrooms was like powder and we put it together in there and all of a sudden it started boiling. Like they were happy to be together. They are like, I think mushrooms and hash like go together so well. They were like dancing. They're like, I can't even describe it. And it happens every time.

1:49:21SpeakerThat's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Every time now. It's just like, they belong together.

1:49:26BubblemanThat's what I was just about to say. There's a future of this. I think it's going to be substantial. In my opinion, like edibles go, like cannabis edibles in particular, they go well. And I'll tell you also in Colorado, it wasn't just mushrooms. People had gummies of everything. There was mescaline gummies and like all sorts of different microdose vibes that were just all quite pleasant.

1:49:55Etienne FontanWendy, Wendy, I just want to state my your Space Jams actually fueled our UN team. So while we were at the UN, yes, we were enjoying your Space Gems because one of our guys, Mike, is a huge fan and made sure we had enough to share with the rest of the class. And I just wanted to give you a shout out of love and respect from our veterans who appreciate what you do.

1:50:23Etienne FontanYou're literally saving lives. And not only that, you're fueling our international team when we're on the ground. So just a little bit of love and respect to you. So that's something that's used for advertising, but something you should know about because that's how well you're appreciated.

1:50:43SpeakerOh my God, that's amazing. Oh my God. What is UN? I'm sorry. I just want to make sure I understand.

1:50:48Etienne FontanThat's the United Nations.

1:50:50SpeakerThat's what I thought. I just don't want to make that up.

1:50:52Etienne FontanYeah, we were just at the United Nations for the CND, the Commission on Narcotics Drugs, working with in about 14, 15 other countries working toward removing cannabis from the most dangerous drug category so that people are no longer executed for cannabis. So while we're on the ground, you know, we have to medicate. And your product is very much a fan as well as it drove our team and kept us going the week while we were there on the ground.

1:51:22BubblemanSo your product currently is inspiring and fueling the people who will get the countries who are executing people for cannabis to stop doing that. That's pretty fucking heavy. No, we appreciate you.

1:51:38SpeakerThank you. Thank you for letting me know. They just like go out there. I just have no idea.

1:51:42Collin PalmerYou know, I, you know, I, I, since we're telling stories, I found you, I was, I was doing a project for another company out of California and I have a, I had a hash lab in Van Nuys for a while and I went to Hall of Flowers and I'm like walking the floor and Just like looking at all the stuff and it's like super overwhelming right you know to go to these places because it's just an onslaught of stuff and then walking to this booth and I'm like looking at all this stuff and I see like hash gummies and I'm like space gems this is cool what's this about and like hash gummies I'm like nice this is awesome and someone's like yo this is my friend's company and this they talk about talk literally talk about you And I literally popped one.

1:52:23Collin PalmerAnd honestly, like an hour in, I was like, this is awesome. People have access to this because it's so important that hash. And this was like 2021, I think. And they did them and they did the Hall of Flowers in Palm Springs or something then. Yeah, totally. But yeah, so I loved your product. So I think, you know, getting hash to more people and bringing that awareness.

1:52:48Collin PalmerAnd just being about it is, you know, that's awesome, man. You know, that's really, really great that you're doing that. Thank you so much. Most people waver and they add, you know, like you're alluding to, ethanol, you know, and other things for the sake of marketing. And I deal with that and Marcus deals with it all the time because we have products out. And I think it's important for the audience to know from you that, you know, you think about that because I know we as hashmakers think about that and it really matters.

1:53:21Collin PalmerThank you so much for joining us.

1:53:36Collin PalmerDoesn't represent anything whatsoever in which we're about, you know, which is the true transparency, you know? So that's really cool that you're just like all your focus is in hash and, you know, making products in that realm. What other products are you guys, are you doing any other products? It sounds like what's cool about what I'm hearing from you is like now you've evolved into adaptogens and mushrooms and other things that you find interesting.

1:54:04Collin PalmerYou know, accentuate and give more color to this baseline that you're kind of working in. What other products are you guys kind of working on and looking at? I'd love to learn about that.

1:54:18SpeakerYeah, like, yeah, I really appreciate that. The fact that I've just stuck with hash and like haven't went to Roslyn or anything like that. I mean, I've tried it, but I have like a whole opinion on it to totally be honest why I don't use it. And we, I think, you know, we're just trying to I think hash is the best way to eat. I think our high is like the purest, you know, and keeping the plant whole as much as possible.

1:54:45SpeakerI would really like to do a thing without sugar, you know, and like, I think that there can be like a huge benefit to it. Also, Vanessa and I are going to do like some caramels together. Oh, cool. You know, get that product out and just like Mary Gold is like all around, you know, and people can get access because they just think edibles, you know, it was like so amazing teaming up with like getting to know Vanessa's because I can speak edible language to her and she can understand and, you know, um, That's like really important you know to be able to like say the things that we've tried together or you know just how the decarb rates or you know how we do different things and you know obviously yes Vanessa always says like the plant has to have more research you know we do like our I think the most perfect way to describe that is just like with our CBN we have like um We have a CBN gummy and we take the bubble hash and we cook it all the way to make it to go from THCA to THC to, you know, CBN.

1:55:56SpeakerAnd it takes longer than... It takes long, but it's also like a heat thing. Like there's so much with bubble hash because there's hot spots that can happen with it too, you know, and do it this way. But then it's like also we're taking bubble hash that was like 54%, 57% THC, right? You know, THCA. And then we're taking that and turning it into 13%, 13% CBN.

1:56:23SpeakerSo what is else that like all those other cannabinoids that are in there that we don't even know or more research about what because it's not like we're just taking 13 of that gram we're using that whole gram you know and what happened to the other cannabinoids to make it yeah i don't know so i guess that's like what we're working on wendy going the going the no sugar route huge fan of my i was when vanessa was on last we were talking about

1:56:51Etienne FontanMy big, my big gumption currently is that most gummies are like two grams of sugar per gummy. And it's like, that's way too much because I know people, they don't just do one gummy, right? They're shotgun and gummies sometimes, you know what I'm saying? You know, or the experienced person. So something with less sugar is something I just want to say I'm a fan of and I know my diabetic patients and others are looking for.

1:57:17SpeakerBut would they want something like an alternative sugar or would they just want something savory?

1:57:23Etienne FontanBoth. I mean, there's dietary restrictions all around. And so, you know, there are those who want no sweetener, which is like, but then there are ones who want something that's other than sugar, right? If there's, you know, like a type of... There's different natural artificial sweeteners, et cetera. So originally when we were, you know, a lot of our producers prior to legalization were all patients making things by patients and for patients.

1:57:51Etienne FontanSo those patients that were diabetic would then work with, you know, different syrups and different, you know, onset items so that they weren't dealing with, you know, sugar, you know, replacing things with maple syrup or, you know, alternatives that are better absorbable for the body, right? But That doesn't necessarily translate into a packageable product, right? So, yeah.

1:58:12Collin PalmerWell, it's getting easier. I think like, you know, like you just said, monk fruit, I just put it in our chat. Monk fruit's a good one. Coconut sugar.

1:58:19SpeakerIt's like a laxative. I just want to say it's a laxative. It is. That is so cheap.

1:58:24Collin PalmerFor certain people, it's not.

1:58:27SpeakerI get like the no sugar stuff, but I also think it's like a chemical sugar that we don't know what's going to happen at the end of the day. You know, I guess we use organic sugar. I go out of my way just for organic rock cane sugar, which I would think would be way better than having a laxative. And also, you know, white sugar is just like not good, you know, but yeah, this is the way we process it.

1:58:50SpeakerYeah, I think that hash can taste really good. You know, I've been like trying to eat all the hash I can get and just to make sure I like the taste of it because I taste gummies and I'm like, this is not what hash tastes like. So I don't know what you're using, you know, like. And the fact that we use more material in all of our gummies than any other company because they're using a distillate or a rosin or an enzyme extraction or all these other different methods, you know, like it's kind of crazy that we don't have that much of a hash taste, you know, when these other companies are supposed to be using rosin or these other things and it's supposed to taste better and it tastes like absolutely horrible.

1:59:29SpeakerProbably, probably like the rancid, you know, coconut oil, you know. Yeah.

1:59:34Collin PalmerWell, it's also their starting material, you know, I learned when I had our lab in Van Nuys and in California, it was an eye opening experience of the different grades of materials that would come through. And how that material was handled before it got to us kind of thing. And, you know, it was really interesting because you would see, you know, massive diversity. So I can only imagine the challenge, you know, someone would have on a consistent basis, you know, because I fell into very specific farms that we would work with.

2:00:12Collin PalmerAnd it was slim pickings, to be real, on good material.

2:00:15SpeakerWell, do you know, that was like for Fresh Frozen. I feel like Fresh Frozen has its own way, but how to take care of your material is like a huge thing, you know, and like farms got like, Yeah I think there's a huge learning curve where they just think everything can be washed you know and it's like that's actually not true and just like also like edibles like I also thought about this too we don't have this but a lot of edibles like could have pesticides could have other things and like still pass testing because it's such you know like that flying saucer it just in that one is point one eight grams of bubble hash you know so like that's still not enough if that did have a pesticide or did have something in it not enough because the nine gram gummy goes over that you know and so as they're testing um yeah it just doesn't you know it's such a little muscule amount of hash to be able to find those pesticides or those other things especially in edibles it's hard to test edibles Well, just like with like, I don't think it's hard to test.

2:01:21SpeakerIt's just you're using such a small amount. But if you use like a whole gram of it or a half a gram, then the pesticides and then that stuff will come out in it. But it won't come out in the edible as much. I haven't seen an edible. I keep looking. I'm like looking hard to see any edible pop up for like any pesticides or anything like that.

2:01:43Collin PalmerSo people are like getting around source batch material and they're just like going straight to finished goods and they're getting a COA from that point?

2:01:53SpeakerYes, yes, exactly.

2:01:56Collin PalmerI'm just trying to think like from, you know, knowing what I got to do from a metric point of view. Yeah, well.

2:02:05SpeakerYeah, just because you're like... That's some dirty work right there. Well, it's like so interesting. So if like you R&D your like, you know, your batch and you know it's going to fail, then you're going to go make it into edibles, you know? And I've like really struggled because then that won't... That's a remediation. That's part of it, you know? Like you can just put that into edibles and it's not going to show up, you know?

2:02:27Collin PalmerYeah, I mean, I don't, I mean, that's, that's really dirty, because it's tough. Just do just be like, yeah, we're gonna do because, you know, like, most of that stuff typically goes to is solvent extraction, if it's failing for that, right, gets put into a stock and blasted into BHO or something, which then that process can remediate that factually and take those things out of it. But But still, it's dirty work and really shouldn't even be happening to begin with, which is crazy, you know, to your point, you know, it's nasty.

2:03:01Collin PalmerSo you find that most people around you are making those types of choices. That's really concerning because, you know, consumers don't deserve that. You know, it's not why we all started doing this, I would imagine.

2:03:16SpeakerNo, I mean, I'm just like trying to figure out, you know, like I did this like whole thing where I just wanted to try all these other edibles, you know, and then compare them. And like, man, I was like really freaking disappointed. And I'm like, how do they taste this bad? And they have less amount than I have in it, you know, like, but you still can taste the flavor, but the part of it is just so like gross.

2:03:40SpeakerIt made me like really realize that so many people are just going for the money part of it, you know? I think that, yeah, I don't even know if like people are eating their own product, you know, I think that that's like another thing too, is that I don't, that's like, yeah, I don't see any other edible maker like sitting there like eating gummies. They're usually scared to eat them.

2:04:03SpeakerThey're not confident, you know, they're like, oh, I can't eat one of those because they know it's going to taste horrible, you know, like.

2:04:11Collin PalmerYeah, that's not a good thing. I mean, you know, to your point, if you're an edible maker, you should be like a hash maker, excited to try your work, right? And excited to be about it. And, you know, maybe you try like 100 variations without it being dosed before you dose it to get other constituents, right? I worked on a gummy for a company for a couple of years, and it was cool because I'm not a food scientist, but it was cool to be in the room with other food scientists to learn Thank you for joining us.

2:05:02SpeakerWe've been humble. It's hard to know when it's going to be at 50 degrees to 100 degrees down in the Palm Desert. You know what I mean? Especially the state is so huge.

2:05:12BubblemanYou got to be able to taste it too. As a food scientist, you have to be able to taste it. And you can't just taste it without the cannabinoids present. You have to... You have to be able to do the work all the way through. I have tasted many, many, many gummies. I thought they were all very kind of just similar. When I first met the owners of White Rabbit, and they're a local Canadian gummy company that was like, oh, we don't use sugar.

2:05:38BubblemanWe use like organic rice syrup. We use this. We use that. Oh, we don't use gelatin. They were like... It was the craziest gummy I ever had. And they were great together. They unfortunately kind of parted ways. The one guy was making the deals and finding the work. And the girl was an incredible food scientist. And she understood how to pair and create synergies instead of roadblocks.

2:06:05BubblemanWith the flavor profiles of the volatile organic compounds and the whatever she was using too. And then of course you have to take into account however you're homogenizing, heat being involved, all of these things can alter the flavor and the taste. And she was just doing these really like advanced like banana, maca, gummy, like they were just all the flavors were like ridiculous and incredible. And I think that that can't be, I don't think you can do that without the bioassay.

2:06:39BubblemanLike you, you know what I mean? Like you're a chef. You need to be able to, I imagine like being in the room with a food scientist that didn't want to dose themselves with what they were making, wouldn't be able to make as tasty of a final product.

2:06:53SpeakerYeah. I mean, yeah, it's definitely something that I asked like in the interview process, like you have to get high for this job. You're going to have to taste it, you know, like definitely. Yeah.

2:07:05BubblemanAbsolutely. Hey, welcome, Caleb.

2:07:07SpeakerI know. Hi, Caleb.

2:07:08BubblemanHow's it going, buddy?

2:07:13SpeakerHello, everybody. So great to listen to this conversation. I really enjoyed the one with Vanessa a while back and just got done seeing Space Jam. Got to try some of the new flavors and I really like the adding in the mushrooms, the functional mushrooms to those three categories towards actual effects because like you said, the source flower does not Ooh, that's a nice Ganoderma right there.

2:07:44BubblemanDude, this was growing in my backyard, like 200 feet behind my house, bro, like on a giant tree.

2:07:52SpeakerLike at reachable level or did you have to use a ladder or like?

2:07:56BubblemanIt was, okay, so the tree had fallen and it was over a creek and this was growing like upside down out of the tree like this.

2:08:07SpeakerWow.

2:08:09Bubblemanwow like into the humidity of the creek like down into the creek but the creek was cold like it was it's always cold and so um yeah i i'll be honest when i first found it i'd been hunting for a reishi like this for probably like three years and i had been with groups where people were like oh my god and then they'd come around the corner and have one and i was just I always wanted to find one.

2:08:33BubblemanI forged a lot of different mushrooms in my day. This one I found and it was so beautiful. I couldn't pull it off the tree. And so instead, what I did was I visited it every day for like three months. And on like the close to third month day, I went to look for it and it wasn't on the tree. And thankfully, it had fallen and the water had taken it and like bumped it onto the rock.

2:09:03BubblemanAnd so it wasn't even sitting in the water. It was just sitting on the rock and I just picked it up. And I was like, oh my God, like what a special, you know, what a special mushroom, you know, the immortality mushroom. So yes, please continue on. I would like to get deeper into the conversation of nootropics. You named almost every one aside from maybe chaga when you mentioned cordyceps, you mentioned turkey tail, you mentioned reishi, you mentioned, or what was the first one you mentioned?

2:09:35SpeakerOh, Lion's Mane.

2:09:36BubblemanLion's Mane, of course. That's so funny. Out of all the ones that I didn't remember, it's the one that helps you remember.

2:09:44SpeakerI know, that's so true.

2:09:45BubblemanLion's Mane. Yeah, it's funny.

2:09:47SpeakerBefore Spaceship, I worked on a mushroom farm here locally and I saw like what mushrooms do for people, you know, just like how women would come there with like ovarian cancer and they would talk about their tumors shrinking and stuff. And I just thought it was like, you know, I know we talked about the cancer thing and not telling people But people want hope and I just saw hope in people's eyes.

2:10:10SpeakerI just really wanted to say that, you know, that would come there and this is like what would be working for them. And obviously Turkey Tail is like the number one most researched mushroom, especially with like chemotherapy and everything like that. So, yeah.

2:10:25Etienne FontanI have some of it somewhere. And patients are looking for things like that. You know, this is one of the things is where we were created. And remember, we have to remember our roots is that we come from helping sick people, right? And they respond to this and they respond to those products because There's so few products, there's so few manufacturers looking at health and wellness. Sure, they're happy to pump out sugar and THC, but those that are focusing on the wellness, we respect that greatly, Wendy.

2:10:58Etienne FontanSo we're imploring you to keep on doing what you're doing because patients are responding and are looking for these types of products. So you're on to something that others are looking for. So thank you.

2:11:12SpeakerOh, thank you. Yeah, I just like wonder like about the terpenes, you know, like about how people say, I just think it's all about how you want to feel. You know, I think you can really, you know, make, create a product for like how, you know, to make it how that person wants to feel, especially with like edibles and the mushrooms definitely help with that because you're not going to get that with like the strains.

2:11:34BubblemanWell, 11-hydroxy metabolite and THCA are different. They're very different. Very, very different. And so obviously they're going to lead to different places. Colin was asking you a question about things in the queue and you were talking about Vanessa and working together. Is this something that's going to be a collaboration? It's going under both your brands, one of your brand. Is this like a Marigold Sweets? Is this a...

2:12:03BubblemanYou know, how is this coming out?

2:12:07SpeakerWe're working on it. I'm developing the recipe because, okay, so Wendy's gummies are vegan, right? And just there's no kind of allergens in her kitchen. So I can't walk in there with my, like, I'm known for kind of dairy, like, you know, uh, Laura Secord and See's Candy Style Chocolates infused with, you started with Cold Water Hash and then, you know, had to, I worked with Prop D Dispensaries and they were kind of, they had certain standards they wanted me to operate by, but excited to go back to Cold Water Hash and we're still like, we're working on it and But yeah, it's going to be a vegan, allergen friendly.

2:13:10SpeakerI wish I could get rid of sugar, but it's just hard. Monk fruit is hard to, as a confectioner, it's hard to cook with in that way. Like you could do the syrups, like you could do things with With it in that form, but I haven't really seen it used as a candy. I do understand like from a diabetic perspective, but at that point it's like, gosh, I'm sorry.

2:13:41SpeakerI hate to plug my cookbook, but get an oil and make, you know, make a salad dressing and you can have whatever you're, whatever you're eating at home can be infused. You don't have to take an edible. I like Wendy's gummies because it's like, It's dosed. I know what I'm getting. And, you know, it's nine grams of sugar or not sugar, but candy in total. And it packs a punch.

2:14:16SpeakerI wish that the state would like let everybody just kind of have higher doses because that's when I first started under Prop 215. You could do 25 milligram, like it was a hundred milligrams total for the package. And you could, I don't even think there was a limit on that, but yeah, you could do higher milligram, uh, edibles. And that would, for me, people loved those. Those were my best sellers were like 25 milligram chocolates because people wanted more potency for the candy or whatever they're eating.

2:14:55SpeakerYeah. Because I feel like there are savory options. How do they do, Etienne, in the store? Like if there's chips and crackers and all of those nuts and things that people have put out, do you know how do they do? They don't do good.

2:15:13Etienne FontanThey don't do well. Savory doesn't do as well as sweet because traditionally people are looking for something sweet. Now there have been, you know, various options, but they're a niche, Vanessa. They're not necessarily something that is, but people do look for it, but the masses do not. But there are specific people who are looking for like Thank you so much for joining us.

2:15:58SpeakerWe're going to have quiche at a party, right? Like if you made me a quiche for a cannabis, like, hey, come, I'm making an infused brunch. We're going to have quiche. And it's that's got a little either in the custard or in the crust. And then there's other things with it that are not infused. So you can kind of enjoy those and have sauces to like up the ante.

2:16:25SpeakerBut obviously like from a shelf life perspective, like sugar is a preservative and that's like something that helps to preserve the edible, which people like they hold on to them. They really do. Like I have people who, who I started making marigold sweets in 2010. Really like selling them out of a broken microwave in a clothing store. And people like for would message me 10 years later and be like, I still have boxes and I'm like, you need to throw them away.

2:16:58SpeakerThey're like, they are done. Like they are like, unless you want to like encase them in bronze or something, like you just, they're not edible. They're no longer edible edibles. So yeah, that they have to have a good shelf life. They have to be able to go through quarantine, all of that, that Wendy is like, that's why, you know.

2:17:22Etienne FontanWhat are the expectations of you, right? You have... To have a product that can sit on a shelf, sustainable and absorbable for what? Up to a year plus, right? So that is in itself its own challenge, depending on, you know, requires all of your ingredients to fall into that, you know, lifespan, right? So that's its own challenge because you can't have one part that's biodegradable before another part.

2:17:48Etienne FontanOtherwise your product's going to degrade in the packaging, right?

2:17:52BubblemanThat's why everything is a gummy. Like there's a reason why everything's a gummy because people want gummies.

2:17:58SpeakerThat's why it's just like vitamins, you know, like they, we digest it, you know, like the way we digest the gummy too. Yeah. I would love to do like a dry packaged mix. Whether that's like, you know, to make a hot cocoa and you could do that with with an alternative sugar, you know, because it and find a way there's all sorts of ways to.

2:18:24Etienne FontanYeah, I got my mom entry and there was a tea that was a 20 to 120 CBD to one THC. And again, That was for an elderly patient who didn't want to inhale but was looking for something that was close to normal, right? And that was, again, an easy barrier to entry. Right. Because, again, it was a dry product. It was a dry leaf product. Right. That was then, you know, water activated.

2:18:50Etienne FontanThat seems to have a sustained shelf life. But it didn't seem the teas really caught on as well as, you know, as as Marcus said, you know, everybody wants gummies by gummies. I mean, we saw we saw regular companies trans Transmute from their regular vitamin pills into gummies because the consumer wants gummies apparently just for even their vitamins, right? And their intake. Our Flintstones we used to eat were these hard, obnoxious, terrible things that once you tried to swallow them, it was just like, ah.

2:19:25SpeakerFlintstone vitamins? I still eat five of them. Are you kidding? Those are elite. Listen.

2:19:34Etienne FontanNow they're in a good gummy form and now they are elite, right? Whereas earlier, when you chewed them in the dry form, they were not necessarily the most palatable situation.

2:19:46SpeakerI want that texture. They better put out that texture again because I need to feel it before I go. Oh, that's incredible. It's such a memory, please. It was such a memory. It would unlock.

2:19:59BubblemanDude, I remember my mom would catch me eating more than one and be like, hey, stop eating. Oh, I just want this purple one. Yeah, the purple one. I didn't like the orange one.

2:20:09Etienne FontanWhat was your favorite? What was your favorite color slash flavor?

2:20:13SpeakerThey all tasted the same, but I got purple grape.

2:20:17BubblemanDude, there was always the least amount of purple ones too. And my sister wanted the purple ones. And I'd be like, I need to get me a purple one.

2:20:24SpeakerYeah, the terrible orange. You know what was good too was like, did you ever have that like kind of banana or bubblegum flavored like anti or the, what's it called? The... Oh my God, my brain, that saucer. When you have a bacterial infection, you take a antibiotic. Antibiotic, yeah. Yeah, they would give you a spoonful of it and it would, it was like pink and it would taste like banana or some kind of like kind of artificial flavor.

2:20:59SpeakerBut I just would, I was like, oh, I hope I get to take that again because it, and that's it. It's like Mary Poppins, right? A spoonful of sugar.

2:21:07BubblemanThat one I didn't like.

2:21:09SpeakerYou didn't like it?

2:21:09BubblemanBut I know exactly what you're talking about. It was a banana flavored Pepto Bismol.

2:21:14Etienne FontanI prefer the Coke syrup. When my mom used to give us when we had upset stomachs, she just gave us straight Coke syrup.

2:21:20SpeakerThat shit was good. Really? Wow.

2:21:22Etienne FontanYeah, this is the 70s. So, you know, that was a thing that they would give. You could buy actually you could buy the Coke syrup at the pharmacy and mom would keep it in the fridge for when you were upset, upset stomach and give you a spoonful of that, whatever that was.

2:21:38BubblemanIt's the stuff that makes you go to the pharmacy today for the ulcer medication.

2:21:46SpeakerWell, my mom used to give us like a shot of whiskey, or at least she would give me a shot of whiskey if I had like a cold or something and I couldn't go to sleep.

2:21:55Etienne FontanA hot toddy? She'd heat it up, put it with a little bit of honey or something?

2:22:00SpeakerShe'd like let me sip it. Yeah, she would sweeten it for me, for sure. I think, yeah. I just remember getting whiskey when I was, when I had, I couldn't go to sleep and I had like a bit of a cold, like here. Maybe not a full shot, like a little, but as a kid, you feel like, whoa, that's not a good thing to do. Right? Oh, well, I don't drink now, so it's not really, it's not interesting to me.

2:22:33SpeakerYeah.

2:22:34BubblemanIt seems like it's less and less interesting to many. I will tell you from someone's perspective who has not been drinking my whole life and grew up in an incubator of alcoholism where everyone was just like thought I was an alien for not doing it. Mostly I'm stoked to not have like, you know, any liver or kidney or like problems from from that. I have a lot of friends that also don't, but I have some that unfortunately did.

2:23:02BubblemanAnd Some that didn't make it or whatnot. I'm just, I cannot believe how hard it was to have that position back then and how easy it is today. It's such a relief. I feel like I was from the future back then because I was telling everyone, I was like, it's poison. Like you're drinking poison. Like I'd say to people, they'd be like, oh, hangover. It's just because I never had a hangover.

2:23:24BubblemanI'm like, what's that like? It looks terrible. They're like, oh, it's like a bad flu. Sometimes it can be a really bad flu. I'm like, okay, so timeout. You drank like 160 days this year. You had 75 bad hangovers. If I got the flu 75 times in one year, I think that would kill me. It would certainly stunt my growth and stunt my brain and stunt my everything.

2:23:48BubblemanLike, holy shit. Like a bad flu is pretty shitty. I just couldn't believe my friends were willing to suffer those consequences each time. I just can't wrap my head around it. But I'm stoked for young people nowadays. They can just get like gummies, go get herb and like they just they don't have to drink like it's it's quite amazing choices, right?

2:24:10Etienne FontanNot just one choice, right? I just want to say I'm thankful that, you know, suppositories didn't catch on because I would not like to have the, you know, the hash church suppository episode. You know what I'm saying? That's ass church.

2:24:24BubblemanAnd I feel like we've done it before.

2:24:25Etienne FontanI feel like we've done it before.

2:24:27SpeakerSuppositories totally are a good thing.

2:24:30BubblemanExactly. This is how it starts.

2:24:32Etienne FontanTo the point where we have to have an episode. You know, I'm not saying that they're not a good thing.

2:24:36SpeakerOh, there's such a good mechanism, especially for women. I remember on Bon Appetit. Do you remember Foria?

2:24:44Etienne FontanYes, we had issues carrying that product because of how people communicated to the individuals and how the individuals communicated about a sexual lubricant on the floor. It's an HR nightmare is all I'm saying.

2:25:01SpeakerOh my God, people can't have, they can't talk about sex in a mature way, like really?

2:25:07Etienne FontanIt's the Bay Area. It gets graphic real quick, sister, on both sides of the fence.

2:25:11BubblemanIt's the Bay Area.

2:25:15SpeakerThat's so sad because it really is a good it is a good like route for bypassing like for people who can't feel edibles like but you you want to like listen you got that's an what is it called when you do that with other drugs and you put it up your bum?

2:25:36Etienne FontanBoof. Boofing it. Yes. Boofing it. Yes.

2:25:40SpeakerYou can boof it and that's cool. Suppositories are just, you know, and then you'll take a really nice shit after and that's wonderful too. Oh my goodness. Let's stay regular. Let's have all the options.

2:25:57Etienne FontanWell, I said correct it. Apparently, we are going to have a suppository.

2:26:00SpeakerWe're talking about it because it's important to talk about because there shouldn't be a shame around using a suppository. And it's very much in this...

2:26:10Etienne FontanVery much a medicinal need. I was just saying among the populace. But yes, there is a very much a medicinal need. And there is. And you're talking about a very unique as well as a part of society that is that that has sensitivity. They can't inhale. Right. They either have a lung.

2:26:28BubblemanOr how about Crohn's disease? Like correct. Right. Joints wasn't going to do anything for his colon. He needed IBS. Exactly. Drake's in the room right now saying that I ain't scared of a suppository for the relief they bring. It's like, exactly. Hello. Yeah.

2:26:47SpeakerLike PMS and just our monthly menopause. Oh my gosh, all of it. It's just really like, you know, it has, it's beneficial. And that's where there's just so you cannot doubt the medicinal benefit of this plant.

2:27:05BubblemanI think when you have a problem in your peripheral organs, your intestine, you know, the most sense is a suppository. You don't need to consume something into your stomach to have it metabolize in your liver, to have it going the other direction is a different pathway. It leads to a different experience, like completely. It's not the same. Be direct. Yeah, exactly. It's the same way if you had like some like Rick Simpson, when he got the cancer on his nose, he wasn't rubbing it on his elbow.

2:27:42BubblemanIt's like, no, no, I figured I would rub it on, you know, the spot where I had the thing. It's like, are you sure? Because medicine says you should rub that on the on the bottom of your elbow.

2:27:53Etienne FontanAnd Western medicine tells you you should take it as a pill so it goes through you as opposed to directly on you, which is, again, a failure of Western medicine, but also a secret of Eastern medicine, right? Go directly to the source. Why are we bypassing it? Yeah.

2:28:10SpeakerHave you, Mark, ever or anyone have ever like heated up like hash and just ate it that way without like anything else? Yeah.

2:28:19BubblemanIt definitely works. In fact, I'll tell you a story. I didn't even heat hash up. I had hash just on me. I was going to Amsterdam and I was sitting next to Breeder Steve and he was like, oh, I want to eat edible. And I was like, well, all I have is like this, I don't know, it was like a gram and a half or whatever. And he just like, he was like, oh, that'll do.

2:28:41BubblemanAnd just ate it with like oysters and like bread and butter. And like he ate all this plain food that we were, I can't remember if we were in first class. We were definitely at the front of the plane. Anyway, he got destroyed, like completely destroyed. Like he was like in a coma, barely talking. At one point I could hear him whispering a word and I had to put my ear super close to his mouth and he was whispering.

2:29:12BubblemanLike, but like a hundred times slower than that. Like it was insane. I even was like, the whole experience wasn't that great for me, but Steve is the guy that would like, you know, smoke DMT or even worse, salvia and hit the floor and do circles and like have this crazy, terrifying experience and then jump up five minutes later and be like, oh my God, I'm We should do that again.

2:29:35BubblemanLike, that's just who he is. So he has no problem eating a gram and a half of hash. He didn't heat that up. So I don't know how that happened, if that was butter, what the experience was. But I know for a fact I was there. I know for a fact I did not decarb that bubble. And I know for a fact Steve was destroyed by it.

2:29:54BubblemanSo what's the science behind that? I don't know. But he definitely...

2:29:59SpeakerIt's decarbing. Well, no, it's just like in the process of, so how is hash made? You're cutting down the flour, like slowly over time. It is very, even if it's a small amount, because it's so concentrated and how many grams did he eat?

2:30:20BubblemanHe ate at least a gram, but time out of like 73U, the real 73U before a 90, like 70 plus percent THCA. Like it was full melt, six star bubble hash.

2:30:36SpeakerRight, and how long did you have it on you? Like from, like how old was it?

2:30:42BubblemanYou know what? It probably wasn't overly old, but it could have easily been a week.

2:30:47Etienne FontanAnd how much butter did he eat? Right. A tablespoon of butter probably, which is a lot of butter.

2:30:52SpeakerSo let's just say 10 percent decarbed. Right. Just 10 percent of 70 percent. That's 70 milligrams. Right. Let's say maybe more than that. Decarbed over that. I don't know how you stored it. Maybe you were really good about all of that. That would be my instinct is like he ate. He ate a good amount. I don't know what his tolerance was. Could he eat a lot of.

2:31:18BubblemanI don't really remember him eating a lot of weed before that, but he just at that point in time, he seemed like a guy that was always willing to do whatever to get destroyed.

2:31:27SpeakerOkay, so yeah, he might have overestimated his tolerance and was like, if it even 10% of it, that's 70 milligrams. He's doesn't know that that he thought it was nothing. He doesn't know what that is. He doesn't. He's not doing that math.

2:31:45Etienne FontanNo, right. But the butter and the butter is helping the lecithin and the Bread, right? Because how do you, you know, use lecithin, soy lecithin to break down and that'll break down your cannabis even more so. I used that as a secret originally. You were saying, Vanessa, about, you know, heating. Well, you know, look at Lassie's and Von Lassie's. They're traditionally a hand wrung drink that was usually for 20 minutes.

2:32:10Etienne FontanBy wringing it causes a heating of the cannabis, which breaks it down with the milk fats, which makes it more absorbable for the body. And that's why it becomes so much more powerful. Yeah, wicked high. You're getting a concentration and not only that, a smooth run into your liver and a smooth conversion into that hydroxy metabolite that goes literally purely into your blood system. And I have seen the effects of just one tablespoon of leaf, what it can do to a well-seasoned individual, you know, so, and that's just leaf.

2:32:46Etienne FontanNow, when you talk about a concentrate of a gram and a half of water hash, I mean, it's Yeah, I'm not into getting uncomfortably high on those territory, considering all the other activations that he had in his system. Right.

2:32:59BubblemanI do look forward to the day I can dab on a plane. I think that would be amazing. Little dabs, you know, maybe somehow they're kind of cool.

2:33:07SpeakerHow could you like you capture it somehow?

2:33:12BubblemanI don't know. I'm sure someone out there in their basement right now in Idaho is trying to figure it out for us, though.

2:33:18Etienne FontanPeople in prison would say they would get their last little pinch of a butt. As opposed to smoking it, they would put it in their cheek and gum and chew it for 20 minutes and then eat a Reese's peanut butter cup, which, of course, has soy lecithin in it. And then chew that with it and then swallow that and get high the entire day off of something like that, as opposed to just smoking it and getting that hour high that you were going to get.

2:33:47Etienne FontanSo that's that's from people I know in prison.

2:33:51SpeakerThat's interesting. You know, I mean, when I went to China and I saw like the plants like growing on Mount Tarzan, And like, I haven't like smoked all week or like a week and a half or something. I was like, I saw where you could take the plant, like, and then put it in your armpit or whatever. So I wouldn't be smoking it or they wouldn't, you know, put it on my body to like, see if I could get high.

2:34:17SpeakerI swear I was high, but I was also like walking up a mountain. You know, but yeah, kind of crazy.

2:34:24BubblemanYeah, it's kind of crazy that shit's so serious over there that you can only stick bud in your armpits to try and get high.

2:34:31SpeakerOtherwise you could be like, I was like with my kid.

2:34:34BubblemanHey, what are you doing with that? It's just in my armpit.

2:34:35Etienne FontanOkay, okay, you're cool.

2:34:37SpeakerI know. Well, you're like, what's that deodorant, ma'am? You're like, whoa, look at these plants are just growing like this. This is crazy. With like bud structure and all that, you know? Yeah. I don't know. Just in China. So, yeah. Well, well, okay. So that's not heating it up, but has anybody heated up bubble hash and just ate it?

2:35:03BubblemanI mean, if you heat it up, you're going to decarbonize. You're talking about like just heating it up a little or decarbing it?

2:35:09SpeakerWell, decarbing it and then eating it.

2:35:13SpeakerYeah, you guys have? Yeah. Like, what was that experience like? Do you feel like you needed a fat? Do you feel? I was like wondering. I did not feel like I needed a fat at all. And I think like a similar experience most people can do is if they eat any reclaim from like their their Puff Co or their Dabber like that. Oh my God, no way.

2:35:32SpeakerIt's been heated to, you know, 300 some. But I think actually like hash historically longer than it's been eaten. And the most common way to prepare it is actually just to boil it. Which is actually the perfect decarb temperature. And so like there's way more recipes of boiling plants and even boiling hash if you go way farther back in history.

2:36:00BubblemanAnd because it's equal, it's homogenization. It's like it's not there's no hot spots. There's like it is it's clean. It's a super easy way to do it to sous vide or to, you know, it's controlled.

2:36:15SpeakerSo they're like they're putting it in directly into the boiling water, which will also like, you know, chlorophyll is water soluble. So you're going to kind of clean it in that way, too. But I will say, you know, one thing that people talk about with with water is our terpenes as well as like and what happens to them.

2:36:43SpeakerI do think that using water and boiling water to decarb and having that controlled even heat over it, it's a good way to make sure that you're not creating any degradation.

2:37:03Etienne FontanAnd at what point do your heating in the water? People I've known have actually done it and tried it. They said like not past 72 minutes. Once you go past 72 minutes, then it really starts to not be as high potency as it was. Is there any truth to that rumor control?

2:37:24SpeakerI haven't, I mean, it's in my, I did lab testing on boiling, well, not boiling. I did 180 or 190 for defarbing sous vide.

2:37:39SpeakerAnd it was butter infusion rate. Oh, so was it just a flour in like... This is flour, yeah. In a vacuum sealed bag. So in a vacuum sealed bag. I did two hours. So for two hours at... Where's my fucking temperature here? Oh, wait, it's up here. 200. So under a boil. Boiling's 212. I did it for 102 hours and it was done within an hour. It was de-harved.

2:38:18SpeakerSo you could do it for longer. I didn't see it start to degrade. I think that's harder to do than people think. For me, I just don't like wasting time. I just got other things to do than be babying a pot of, you know, of like, even if it's, you've got a water circulator that's doing the heating for you, which you should have. I'm too, I don't even bother with that because they always break on me.

2:38:53SpeakerWe have to buy a new one. But it doesn't, it's more so when it's exposed to light. So like how you store cannabis and how you store concentrates, like, and obviously temperature too. But like in the oven, it has these heat blasts. In the microwave, it has these heat blasts. So how do you kind of avoid that when you're cooking and you're decarbing at home and in Wendy's case at scale?

2:39:26SpeakerSo yeah, it's tricky. But it's hard to make CBN, right, Wendy? It is hard to make CBN. Yeah, like it's really, you know, we've been doing this process for like over. We got five years, you know, so just like and every time we make the product, it's just like new learning experiences each time, you know, because there's not a lot of research. I like talk to Harry, the guy that makes like treat well or whatever we were talking about.

2:39:59SpeakerAnd he's like, no one's making it that way anymore. It's just like too time consuming. And You know, not like people just don't see the point in it, but I was like, well, I'm doing it that way. So if you know anyone like is doing research on it, please use my product because he even said like what other cannabinoids or what other things are in that, you know, when you're making CBN too, as you're using all that bubble hash or even all that flour too, whether their parts are in it that like we're not calculating or we don't have enough research for.

2:40:32SpeakerYeah I guess I was asking if like so you just you did a sous vide I was just wondering if anyone just took it like I guess I thought people were just taking and putting in water and putting hot water over it. I think that's what Caleb is saying that they you take hash and you put it into directly into boiling water right and then it because it's yeah it's the it's not gonna it's not gonna mix with the water because it's fatty it's you know waxy and fatty and so the original i guess the recipe the most recent recipe i just put it in the chat

2:41:07SpeakerAnd so, like, the stuff that floats on the top, you scrape that, and that's your boiled hash. And so, like, the oldest English text that mentions hashish is a translation of a Materia Medica from India in the 1800s. And so, this is a direct translation of, like, the common knowledge in the Indian texts at the time. Hot water extraction. Hot water extraction, not cold water. What do you think of... Yeah.

2:41:38SpeakerTea. Yeah. And so whole plant tea, right? Yeah, exactly. It's tea. And in China, there are some like other recipes that kind of mentioned like collecting Like potentially collecting the trichomes and then like surf frying them and then extracting them with alcohol as well. So, you know, but in terms of like dry sifted or, you know, cold water extracted hash, then being having a hot water post-processing thing like that would be entirely new to humankind as far as, you know, what y'all are really describing.

2:42:22BubblemanYeah, that's awesome though. Tea, people don't think of it as an extraction, but it is how we won the right to do extracts in Canada. Oh, no way. Yeah, so when we had legal herb, everything was legal, medical and whatnot. They busted Owen Smith with a bakery at Ted's place in Victoria. Ted Smith, sorry, Owen and Ted. I can't remember if Owen's last name is Smith. It's definitely Ted Smith and Owen.

2:42:50BubblemanAnyway, they busted this guy with a bakery. He was doing, you know, all these different extractions to prepare the material to do the edibles. And so it was Canada had this like you could have an MMR. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:43:28BubblemanBut if she boils water and takes that cannabis and puts it in the water, she's now done an extraction and she is now going to face up to 14 years in prison. And so the judge immediately was like, well, that's absurd. We have to change that. Now, he wasn't about to change a law. Because that's a lot harder than, you know, you can create precedence, but that precedence is just the beginning of how long it takes to change a law.

2:43:55BubblemanAnd that can be like a decade. So instead, this judge, as brilliant as he was. Adam Dizzle took the definition of marijuana in the document and he altered it. And because he was a provincial judge, he was only able to alter it for the province of British Columbia. But what he altered was that the definition of marijuana was all things marijuana. So it didn't matter if it was trichome heads, seeds, calyxes, stocks, marijuana Meant all of those things.

2:44:25BubblemanAnd so if you had a license like I do on my wall over there that says I'm allowed to have, you know, 9,800 grams or whatever, basically 10 pounds that I are 4,900 grams, basically kilos, basically nine pounds. It's, oh, what was my point? I kind of lost my point for a second there. I had a good point. Give me one second. Remind me what I was saying, Colin.

2:44:51BubblemanHe's like, I wasn't paying attention. Dude, I was like...

2:44:55SpeakerKilos, kilos, kilos.

2:44:58BubblemanYeah, kilos of how much weed I'm allowed to have at home. But there was a point on why I was talking about my license.

2:45:04Collin PalmerAnd it... Because you're allowed to have a certain amount. That's something you were trying to go on that.

2:45:10BubblemanYeah, but it was before that. There was an actual...

2:45:12Collin PalmerIt was the T loop.

2:45:14BubblemanOh, the T, right. So to finish up the actual story, thank you, Caleb, for fucking paying attention, Colin. Listen, I was packing a bowl of cheetahs. Okay, so he said basically he changed the definition and for BC, whatever your amount was that you were legally allowed to have could now be whatever cannabis product you had. It could be pure BHO, it could be bubble hash, it could be, it was no longer flower because he changed the definition of marijuana.

2:45:44BubblemanAnd that eventually shifted to all of Canada and they just changed the law that said, you know, obviously doing an extraction became legal in Canada. Which was a big deal because it meant that they understood that the resin was the medicine and that you can't, it would be like outlying strawberries. Oh, you can eat strawberries if you pick the whole bush and eat it in a salad.

2:46:06BubblemanBut if you pull the strawberries off the bush, they're now highly illegal and you can face 14 years in prison. That was metaphorically the level that they were operating at. So that got changed in one quick suit. All the Canadian lawsuits, there was, I think Allard might have been in BC. I don't know if it was Ontario or BC. There was a couple across Canada that basically forced their hand to give us federally legal cannabis, both recreationally and medically.

2:46:35BubblemanBecause obviously they weren't going to give it to us. We had to take it.

2:46:42BubblemanYou always have to take it. That is for sure. So yeah, that's a whole like a half, well, almost a full three quarters of an episode on edibles. I feel like we easily have another hour in me. We've talked about kind of some of the newer things that you're kind of doing. We've talked about, you know, both sides of the market. Listen, this is, this happens in every aspect of every conversation, whether it's you're talking about quality, whether you're talking, the masses want a much lower than quality, you know?

2:47:10SpeakerYeah.

2:47:12BubblemanAnd that's for the recreational market, not medical. Medical and rack are different. You know, I tell people all the time, they're like, oh, you got to do this, this and this and have the high. It's like, no, you're thinking medical. This is a recreational product, which is on a market that you can go and buy in the same day. The most poisonous liquid known demand legally, right?

2:47:32BubblemanIt could just Thank you so much for joining us.

2:47:59BubblemanMore heavily towards the importance, I guess you would say, of medical, even though medical is also sold on, you know, along with the most deadly and poisonous and killing drugs known to man. Now that you think of it, both rec drugs and medical drugs have deadly compounds on both of those in both of those markets that just sell like hotcakes. Which is crazy to think about, you know, it's like that's what you have to kind of compete with.

2:48:29BubblemanSo I love the idea of conscious, vegan, sugar free, you know, like I love bubble hash, you know, like solventless products. I love that on the same vein. I'm fine with people making like treats and gummies and like Etienne says, like, yeah, if only like more than 1% of people were looking for savory. It's like, it's not even close. It's like a 90 plus percent to 10%.

2:48:58BubblemanPeople who want sweet versus who want savory. So it's kind of a cool little world that everyone can just do their thing and put release what they have. And then the public will let you know whether whether they like those savory people want something unique, right?

2:49:12Etienne FontanThey don't want they want something standard. They want something that's going to be Flavorful but umami, right? And packaging umami is a whole other elevated thing to try. I mean, creating umami is something that's, you know, done in the moment, done in the time, and it's a mixture of different things that come together. To then make something, package it, and have it sustained for a year, wow, that's got to be a fucking art, right?

2:49:44Etienne FontanIn that sense, to craft something that's going to meet and sustain all of those expectations, which is the challenge, which is why there are so few products out there that You see on the market compared to gummies, et cetera, right?

2:50:01BubblemanSo Quebec in Canada on the East Coast or close to the East Coast, a huge province right above New York and Vermont. They don't allow any like there. I think you might be able to get medicated maple syrup, but everything on that you can get like medicated meat or like Medicaid like they Quebec does not have gummies.

2:50:23SpeakerBeef jerky.

2:50:25BubblemanYeah.

2:50:28SpeakerI'm sorry, I had to like eat some.

2:50:33SpeakerThey don't want it to be appealing to children. So they, you know, and sugar, you know, sweets, it's appealing to children. They're very strict about their rules for edibles. I am like, you know, okay, cool.

2:50:50BubblemanIt's cool in one sense, but it's like, okay, but here's the thing. This is the warped world we're living in. When those extremely, yeah, I get it. You don't want it to be exposed to children. You kind of want to lean them away. But in the meantime, what's the Easter bunny bringing those children? Like they're already consuming sugar. It's, it's, yeah, I don't know. I lost my train of thought again.

2:51:16BubblemanI didn't even eat 100 milligrams.

2:51:19SpeakerIt's so crazy, you know, like when Gavin Newsom came here to Garberville, I'm sorry, do you mind? No, go. Okay, cool. So when Gavin Newsom came, it was like in 2015 or whatever to Garberville, and it was like right when Prop 64 was happening, you know, he came to see all the farms and he did this whole town hall. There was like, there was so many farmers there.

2:51:42SpeakerIt was crazy. And everyone came up and spoke and just talked about the children and about You know, gummies and about how it's only going to be smoking, you know, flour and there's going to be a one acre cap and all you small farmers are totally going to be great. I got you. You know, we're not going to go to edibles. We're not going to even talk about it.

2:52:03SpeakerWe're just going to get the flour passed through. Well, then comes to find out when Prop 64 did get passed, but that one acre cap went away. And, you know, you can have bigger acres of farms and so mega farms. So that's the small family farms here in Humboldt, like basically died, you know. And another thing is that there are edibles and we were able to do gummies.

2:52:26SpeakerYou know, it's so crazy. You know, when he was here, I basically stood there. I was the last person to speak. And I was like, hi, I'm Wendy Baker. I'm the owner, founder of Space Gem Candy. I even said candy and I was like a single mom and I made the candy in my kitchen and I don't know, like it all, like my kids never tried it or is responsible.

2:52:50SpeakerWe can be responsible as parents, you know, and we can do the right things. And he basically said no to me. It was like, no, we're only going to do the farms, you know, and we'll worry like that's just not working. We're too worried about the kids. But it's like the kids like don't even like really go to the edibles more. They go to flower more, you know, and it's like we kind of forget about that, you know, they

2:53:15Collin PalmerYeah.

2:53:16SpeakerCandy flavored babes. Candy flavored babes. You know? Yeah. I mean, I remember when Gavin said that to me, I was like, I said, bummer back. And I had to walk all the way back through all the farmers that just like said, no, that this is how this is going to be. And now come to find out, you know, whatever, like 10 years later, it's like the fucking candy lady that's like made it out of here from Humboldt.

2:53:36SpeakerYou know, the farm is like totally, he like totally duped them. You know what I mean? It's like so crazy. I've never, that's the first time I ever like saw that. Like, you're going to be fine. You know, like your word means nothing.

2:53:49Collin PalmerYou know, it's all about actions.

2:53:50SpeakerSo, yeah.

2:53:52Etienne FontanI mean, it's crazy. Politicians will lie to your face.

2:53:56SpeakerYes, they will. I mean, it's interesting when Oregon, I saw like, you know, wild posting about how Oregon's going to make it only single package for 10 milligrams and stuff like that.

2:54:07BubblemanThat's what we have.

2:54:09SpeakerThat's all you have too?

2:54:10BubblemanThat's all of Canada. And listen, for the longest time, you could only buy 10 milligrams. Now, they just started doing packs, a big bag where there's 10 little bags inside so you can get 100 milligrams all pre-packaged. 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10.

2:54:26SpeakerYeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's going to raise the price of everything.

2:54:30BubblemanOf course.

2:54:31SpeakerYou know, I'm like really nervous like how it's going to go for Canada to totally be honest. You know, I want and that's why it's like really important like Vanessa for your cookbook to like show people what you know what they can eat and stuff. You know, it's like really important to teach people. I feel like people just don't know how to decarb or there's like things that they can't even get over for to be able to do this.

2:54:52SpeakerBut to have 10 milligrams is just like not. You understand decryboxylation and then concentrates and you get with bubble hash. It's so easy to put it into food. Like I put it into a bulldog and put it into popcorn. You can just do anything you want with it. It's really versatile as an ingredient because it's fat soluble and then it is also alcohol soluble if you need to take it there.

2:55:23SpeakerI mean, sorry, you know, I have so much fun cooking with it. And then I think, you know, what Etienne said, as far as traveling and stuff, having an option, having edibles like Wendy's Space Gems, where it's packaged and it's We know it's just reliable and homemade edibles are always going to be a guest of it. There's I haven't tested the tea check. I wanted to take one of those machines that test the potency and see how they compare to the labs.

2:55:58SpeakerI thought that was only for farmers. Like for flour and not. Yeah, no, they let you test oil. I don't think you can test like an actual finished edible.

2:56:09BubblemanNo. What kind of unit is it? Is it NIR?

2:56:14SpeakerI'm not, I don't, I'm not sure.

2:56:15BubblemanI have a little testing device right here that tests oil and hash and flour.

2:56:21SpeakerWhat is it called?

2:56:22BubblemanIt's called the Neospectra.

2:56:27BubblemanIt's this little guy right here.

2:56:31SpeakerThank you so much for joining us.

2:56:58SpeakerI can come pretty close to, I'd come closer if I would test the recipe beforehand so I know the yield better. Because that's such a big, people are like, how do I dose this recipe? How much should I put in? I'm like, well, what are you trying to get for your final dose per whatever it is? You know, how many do you want to be able to eat?

2:57:22SpeakerHow potent is your input, whether that's flower or hash or whatever you're using?

2:57:29BubblemanI love using this just as a hash maker. I love to, I test the material before I make hash with it. I test the hash once I've made the hash as well as what I've cleaned out of the hash. Maybe there's a couple of grades of the hash. I look at them as ingredients when I'm producing skews for hash and I don't want all my ingredients to be like flour or sugar or I want the variety so I can build the different ingredients.

2:57:55BubblemanYou know, kind of final products. And when you start getting enough different resins together, which if you guys aren't doing this for your edible company, I would implore you in the future to look at it because it's not always about putting in single cultivar extracts, but it can be about, you know, building really complex flavor profiles and cannabinoid profiles by like stacking. I used to call it Lucky day.

2:58:23BubblemanAnd when people would be, they come and be like, Hey, can I get a little bubble? I'd be like, yeah, here, have a little of my lucky day. And they're like, what's that? And I'm like, well, I took like nine or 10 different bubbles that I had at the bottom of each jar. And I put them all in here and homogenize them. And now I'm just, now I'm just smoking it.

2:58:37BubblemanAnd now you're smoking it too. And it's your lucky day because you're never going to smoke this again. You know, cause I wasn't, I wasn't compounding and formulating. I wasn't measuring and writing anything down. I was just take emptying jars into a jar. Suddenly I got 14 grams of hash, but it's from like six different jars. That's not, I'm never going to have that again. Very unlikely.

2:58:59SpeakerI know we do always mix the hash. I don't think single cultivars are just really, it's just a very hard thing to do, you know, just especially at scale. Unless you're, you work with that farm, but still even with that, just like, you know, just farms in and out, you know, not all crops are great, you know, so.

2:59:18BubblemanI think one of the appeals of hash was always that it came from the field that it wasn't from a specific like no they weren't cloning like you were and there was type one and type two plants and all of that created a very different frequency of resin that uh you know people are hitting today where it's like let's grow everything one clone let's only take the 90 micron hash out let's uh you know which i'm not against either But I think they both have those different feelings specifically because of how different they are and how you make them.

2:59:56SpeakerI really like that lucky day statement. That's how I should tell people about space jams. Like it's your lucky day. You're never going to have like, you know, this combination of hash all together because it is all mixed. You know, it's just easier to deal with, you know, and just like sativa just doesn't make hash like what, you know, like you can't find that consistent strain. And I'm not going to lie.

3:00:17SpeakerYou know what I mean? Like I stand in front of my company. I don't think it like helps. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:00:48SpeakerLet's try this.

3:00:52BubblemanColin makes hash and hash problems, ladies and gentlemen.

3:00:56SpeakerWhat hash company do you work for?

3:00:58Collin PalmerI own a company called Vessel Life Science and I have a license in New York State. And yeah, we've been doing it. Since, I don't know, Marcus, when did I meet you? Oh, like November? No, I'm just joking. Like 30 years ago, dude. Yeah, so I heard a little while ago, you know, and I've been doing it a long time. And, you know, I, like all of us here, have been obsessed with this forever.

3:01:27Collin PalmerSo it never stops around the clock.

3:01:30BubblemanWon't stop, can't stop.

3:01:32Collin PalmerSo yeah, but yeah, I had a lab in Van Nuys for a while. I made all the hash for Pax Labs and other brands.

3:01:42SpeakerThat is so crazy. Do you know what? My friend just talked about Pax and about how they used to have a lab down there in Van Nuys and then they closed and they just ran out of that material. They just talked about that and now they're onto the new stuff and I was like blown away. Joshua, we're like, did he just say that? Did he just say that?

3:02:01SpeakerLike, yeah, they didn't have a lab for you did that lab. Well, your material went that long. Think about that from 2021 to like, now it's a 20. Wow, dude, that's a long time. Way to go, Colin.

3:02:13Collin PalmerYeah, man, we do. We personally like, yo, every three days sometimes we produce, and no joke, we produce 15,000 grams of finished hash.

3:02:20SpeakerHoly shit, dude.

3:02:22Collin PalmerIt was pretty baller. Like we get in there and we'd be rocking the systems and shout out to Pure Pressure for just greasing us with such a great kit, you know, and we had a blast, man. We had like just so much awesome material and we learned a lot about farms and You know, it was a cool experience because we had a we had a great company behind us and a good set of people.

3:02:47Collin PalmerAnd it was a magical time for me because I was around all these other there's this like there's all these other PhDs around us doing all this other work around us in the same building. Right. Because Final Bell and 14th Round were there and I met a lot of great people there. Overall, it was a really cool experience. But but yeah, it all changed. As you know, but yeah, let me, I'll be right back.

3:03:11Collin PalmerLet me check this back.

3:03:12SpeakerThat was cool. That's like a little full circle moment.

3:03:16Collin PalmerThat's cool that you know about that, but it was a really cool setup. It really was a special one. So yeah.

3:03:29SpeakerVanessa, you are like sitting there, you're like...

3:03:36BubblemanThere's a hundred milligrams in and three hours ago too. Like that's like, you are like in the zone three hours. I'm in it.

3:03:44SpeakerI so want to like start doing some yoga or something, but I'm just like trying to just, you know, I'm like paying attention and just cross my legs in my chair.

3:03:56Etienne FontanYou mentioned earlier that I was amazed. You got the permagreen going. You can see your cheeks are all just locked.

3:04:01SpeakerYeah. I'm just kind of hanging out. Yeah, it's just, it's so nice to, it was, I had to have that little snack because I get, there's no stopping me when the munchies hit. I have to take a little, I have to eat. And then, you know, that becomes a thing. It is. Good. So that was fun. And then that kind of helps when you have a little something in your stomach, I find it helps kind of let it really kind of get fun.

3:04:40SpeakerAnd then when we're finished, I'm just going to keep on snacking. I made a mistake. So I've been testing, trying to use alternative milks to make a caramel. And I made a one yesterday, but I messed it up. So I turned it into a cake. And so that's going to be like my next little snack is this like It was sesame. I was using sesame milk. And then I was like, well, I'm going to put some sesame butter in it too.

3:05:09SpeakerAnd I put too much. Anyway, I just fucked it up. And I was like, well, shit, I'm not throwing this away. So I put some eggs in it. And then I put some, a little bit of flour in it and I baked that. And guess what? It was absolutely delicious. So I'm going to have to get up some of that. And I'm always thinking like, what's my next little sweet treat?

3:05:28SpeakerWhat's I love to eat. And I think that's really where edibles kind of, and cannabis and just like smoke, any just, yeah, getting high in general has been such a big, a big helper in my life. It's just kind of opening my appetite more and helping me feel comfortable reminding me that I love food and I love how food tastes. And I, you know, people have gummies because they're so much fun to eat, right?

3:06:02SpeakerBecause they're chewy. If you like sour, sour gummies. Ooh, I love a sour gummy. Fresh out the dryer. Wait, what? Did you just bring that straight?

3:06:15Collin PalmerOh, yeah, always. Straight back to the bench.

3:06:18SpeakerThat's so big.

3:06:19Collin PalmerHey, Brian, what's up, dude?

3:06:21Etienne FontanIt's good to see you. Gotta bioassay your product, you know. Oh, every day, all the time.

3:06:25SpeakerHi, Brian.

3:06:26Bryan Best Friend FarmsHi there.

3:06:29BubblemanWelcome, buddy. Fuck, that's been so long, dude. How many hash churches ago was the last time you were on church?

3:06:35Collin PalmerI was just thinking of you yesterday, dude. I was just so funny. I was like literally watching.

3:06:40BubblemanI was like, man, I gotta hit up Brian.

3:06:43Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I'm thinking of you too. Seems like yesterday, but it was so long.

3:06:46BubblemanYeah, it really was, man. Main representing. Main via Cali.

3:06:55Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, I heard you had some edible folks family on today.

3:06:58SpeakerYeah. Have you ever had lobster with can of butter? Did you? Have you done that?

3:07:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsNo, I have not.

3:07:10SpeakerOoh, that would be so much fun.

3:07:12BubblemanListen, first of all, you guys should go to Maine and hook up with Brian because let me tell you, go look at his hash that he has on Instagram. He makes some of the nicest bubble hash, like, like, period.

3:07:27Collin PalmerAnd we can all drive up there. Ridiculous.

3:07:31SpeakerWow. Yeah, let's do a big, let's do a big dinner party. Let's start throwing some parties, Wendy.

3:07:38BubblemanDo an outdoor party at Brian's. I have the event in Denver for at least. I don't have an event anywhere else yet, but a space. But in Denver, I have the ultimate space to do an event.

3:07:52SpeakerShould we do an event? I would so love to do that in Denver.

3:07:56BubblemanI'm telling you here while we talk, because I always do this. Make it happen. I'm going to show Brian's hash.

3:08:03Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo this is like- I just want to say hi to Wendy too.

3:08:05SpeakerOh, hi. Hi.

3:08:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsWendy, how are you?

3:08:07SpeakerIt's been so long. Wow.

3:08:12Bryan Best Friend FarmsOh boy, there's some. Yum. I've been putting in a little work with the 120 micron action. Really?

3:08:20BubblemanWith those big heads. That is like pieteled out. He's cute. Wow. He's wetted. Like, look at it. It's full melt bubble. It looks like rosin.

3:08:29SpeakerWow, that's beautiful. You know, it does look like rosin. That's crazy.

3:08:34Bryan Best Friend FarmsNo, I'm still working on that stuff. Like the gas mask rules. I only have two types that are making it for me. Essentially, I actually have my third type. I'm really excited for my fruity Nutella. My gas strains are the ones that hold texture correct and coloration secure.

3:08:52BubblemanIt's just ridiculous, dude. Oh my God.

3:08:57Bryan Best Friend FarmsI'm not finding it to be made with every, like, even other really high-end index bar hashes. It seems to be that the genetic, like, strain-specific element to holding the color, at least with the way I make it.

3:09:11BubblemanThe video doesn't even do it justice, too. That's the other thing. You can't see the sparkles the way it would diamond out in, like, the sun. Oh, my God, dude.

3:09:21Bryan Best Friend FarmsIt's prettier in person. I'm trying to whip up Fastest 120 to show you some of this here. It's kind of glock in there, but that was a 90, the stuff you were showing there.

3:09:32BubblemanDude, all of it is just outrageous. All slightly different colorations. Here's the GMO clone and gas mask male, 207 headband, 90 bag fresh frozen nug run.

3:09:46Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, that one's a three-way between my 207 headband.

3:09:50BubblemanAnd what poetic language you have. New girl is pretty and she stinks.

3:09:57BubblemanSmells up the room, makes her presence known. Very strong, really packs a punch. Dude, I need to get out to Maine and check you out, bro, for real.

3:10:07Bryan Best Friend FarmsI would love that.

3:10:08BubblemanI'm going to Boston for Nikan.

3:10:11Bryan Best Friend FarmsI'm going to be in Boston. I'll see you there. Really? Yeah. No way. Maybe under the homegrown section.

3:10:21BubblemanDude, that would be amazing. That would be pretty darn amazing. That's in like 10 days.

3:10:28Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, a friend of mine down there hit me up. So I'll see you down there and have a couple of things on the board there.

3:10:33BubblemanNo, no, no. Bring all of the things on the board. I need to smoke them all.

3:10:40Bryan Best Friend FarmsI will. I'm going to have examples with me to share. That'll be awesome. That's great.

3:10:44BubblemanThat's really cool to know that. How crazy is that?

3:10:48Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's amazing. Hopefully see a little, I know a couple other people going to, that makes my day to hear you go on Marcus.

3:10:54BubblemanYeah, yeah. I didn't know too much about it, but my partner Thomas from Grandmaster LED, who I think he's in Berlin right now at the ICBC, he has a booth for Grandmaster LEDs and he was like, do you want to come and rep us at the booth? And I said, absolutely. Come bring all the good folks to the booth and we can show them all the lights and I'll be able to kind of bump into the people.

3:11:19BubblemanI'm in the middle of signing a deal for a bubble man brand out there right now.

3:11:22Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo amazing. Going to go with you guys.

3:11:25BubblemanYeah, absolutely.

3:11:26Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah, please do, dude. Oh, my God. Totally. Jesus. This is exciting. Yeah.

3:11:34BubblemanBy the way, you probably weren't on earlier when Vanessa gobbled down a hundred milligram fucking spatial. Well, I should have said it accurately. Down the hatched. Oh my goodness. She downed the hatch. That was the exact.

3:11:49Bryan Best Friend FarmsHow long ago? Like three hours, dude. Wow. Hanging hard.

3:11:56SpeakerI know people always doubt me and I'm like, you can watch me live.

3:12:02BubblemanI didn't doubt you when you ate it. I was like, no, this is something she does. This is not her first rodeo.

3:12:08SpeakerThis is not my first rodeo. Giddy up. Let's go.

3:12:13BubblemanI will say that I have friends that were like, you know, like I won't mention who because it kind of throws them under the bus. But he was like, hey, you know, you've invited me on to church. I'm excited. I really like this was in the peak of church when we had our most listeners. And it was like we were really like quite an entity at the time.

3:12:32BubblemanAnd he was nervous. And he was like, should I like smoke a joint? Like, should I? I'm like, dude, do whatever you want. Like, there's no rules. Like, you just come on and talk and be authentic. That's the rule. Be authentic if you can. That's what we're looking for. He's like, okay, I'll smoke a fatty. Comes on, smokes this huge fat joint in the first 10 minutes, then proceeds to get so destroyed.

3:12:54BubblemanThat he doesn't talk for the next four hours. Like he's just sitting there almost quiet. And yes, if you go through all 267 episodes, you'll find out who I'm talking about, but I doubt you have it in you listeners.

3:13:09SpeakerBut I dare you.

3:13:10BubblemanBut I dare you. Triple dog dare you. Maybe we'll have him on again and he can tell the story because it was hilarious. He even hit me up later.

3:13:19Etienne FontanYou can't go straight to triple dog dare, man. You know what?

3:13:24BubblemanIt's 2026. Straight to the edge. Yeah, but that's where we live now. We live on the edge. It's the razor's edge.

3:13:31Etienne FontanWhat are you going to say for 2027?

3:13:33BubblemanI don't know. We're cut. I'm still by the way, by the way, I haven't stopped watching this. I've been watching it the entire time. I just go to the next video. It is so buttery.

3:13:52SpeakerIt is so buttery.

3:13:53BubblemanI'd love to... Oh, the texture is so good on it.

3:13:55SpeakerI know.

3:13:56BubblemanCan you imagine the special, special batch of... Thank you so much for joining us.

3:14:28SpeakerYeah, like, it's like amazing. Like the hash that's being made out of there. And I'm like, dude, can we like take this and put it into a gummy? Would it matter? Like, do you think people would like?

3:14:38BubblemanOf course it would. The same way you're doing things that other people don't think matters, but you know it matters. Of course it matters.

3:14:47SpeakerDo you think that we should come out with like a higher price?

3:14:51BubblemanBut listen, yes. A small, think of it as your podium product. It's a small percentage. You're not making a lot of this. This is like special.

3:15:04Etienne FontanYou're making like Dom Perignon, right? We all carry the beer, but we always carry a little bit of Dom Perignon, just in case somebody comes looking for it. You know what I'm saying?

3:15:14BubblemanDude, imagine, imagine the product has a QR code that you hit and it takes you to a video like this of the hash you used in that product being cut with a knife, just like what Brian's doing. Holy shit.

3:15:31SpeakerI think it definitely, from a marketing, you know, and all of that perspective, edibles have always been made with like, Here, here, make something out of this. Yes, the duff, like the bottom of the bag.

3:15:48BubblemanCan you do anything with this? Yeah. I guess that's why it would be a neat thing to elevate an edible, to be like, this is an edible where we use the most special ingredients.

3:16:00SpeakerThat should be the event. That should be the event in Denver is like, come and have this experience, work with chef, like, you know, we're basically kind of Bon Appetit style, like work with chefs or chefs to create a menu around the hash and the flavors that you have. That you find and those textures and how to play with it, how to do different ways to decarboxylate and then also maybe not, you know, maybe leave some of it THCA so people can can get those benefits, but also just be able to eat more food.

3:16:45BubblemanI like the idea of a master chef style, like elevating a dessert or a edible using a super high end product like Piatella bubble hash as your starting material. And it's filmed in a beautiful environment, beautiful kitchen. And it's just like, just show us what you got. You know, we just want to see what you came up with. Maybe there's a sort of some some really great judges, you know, like maybe, you know, like Thank you for joining us.

3:17:31BubblemanThese people are good at this. This is exciting. Now I feel like I'm not too sure how well I'm going to do in this. And then you end up seeing something of some excellence gets pulled out of that. Not to mention, yeah, just diamonds come from pressure.

3:17:48SpeakerI feel like I'm really appreciative of this conversation just because I feel like everyone's just like, you know, Yeah, I mean, I feel like I post my material on my Instagram for people to be able to see. And they're like, that's the bottom of the bag or this or that. I'm like, no, it's not. But no, it's not what, you know, obviously Brian's like showing. But like, I think that pushing the consumer, maybe the consumer is there now with like education to like try like this is the yeah, that's a really good point.

3:18:21SpeakerI guess it's like the next level. Thanks for that. Because sometimes I feel like, you know, Like, I'm already doing Ice Water Hatch. These other companies aren't. Like, What other thing could I go to, you know? And I'm like fighting against them with prices, with buyers, like thinking that it's just like a regular gummy, you know? So like trying to concentrate on some. I think that's the, like, it's a wonderful idea.

3:18:43SpeakerLike, I love this concept. As a manufactured edible, like when you really, if you want to be honest about it, consumers are trying to buy price per milligram. And they're looking at,

3:19:01SpeakerSo if you're increasing the price of that ingredient by that much, like the people, like they just, maybe there is that market. I think it would, it's pretty niche.

3:19:18BubblemanIt would be super niche. It would be a tiny market and it would not be something that you would build beyond that most likely. It could, it could spark off.

3:19:28SpeakerYou'd have to like work with the labs or something because if you're doing like... The small batch is great, but when you're doing lab testing on a batch, like that price. So if you have a small batch of like, say, okay, we're going to try doing this many of this, say $1,800 lab tests, we're talking 80 cents per unit or whatever, you know, that's a big price.

3:19:53BubblemanWell, when I say small, I mean like maybe like five to 10 kilos. You know, nothing that's massive that's going to be huge for some monster market. But even trying to find five kilos or a kilo of hash of that caliber, it's not impossible. I see it. But it's definitely a very, very niche. You're exactly correct. It would never be something that grows into something big. It would be something that would create a culture.

3:20:22BubblemanYou could create a culture around it with these sort of events where people are trying to elevate using the highest caliber resin. And that's how it makes sense. Not necessarily as a product that you're going to try to like outsell You know that, I mean, it's the same idea of like.

3:20:38SpeakerIt would be a niche product. Yeah. It would be very niche. Super. I think people would buy them. I feel like Caleb would buy them. Yeah, I would.

3:20:47BubblemanListen, it just puts you on the map. It's a small percentage. You don't spend a ton of money on it. You don't like waste a ton of time on it. You just have it available because this, this niche group of people, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:21:18BubblemanAsh Church and talk for hours about cannabis and extracts and Google and drool at pictures of hash getting cut with clean knives.

3:21:29SpeakerOh my God, it's us. Best Friend Farms, like, yes, everyone wants to be your best friend.

3:21:35BubblemanTell us about the name behind Best Friend Farms.

3:21:40Bryan Best Friend FarmsThat's actually a lot of layers, but it actually goes back, excuse me, to when I was nine years old. My best friend was my cousin. We were both nine and he passed on from lymphoma. And that's what actually it was associated to Roundup. So it kind of set me on the path to medical cannabis from that stage. From the earliest start, from 95 on, I tracked it with 215 and got lucky to get the last 10 years of 215 before I came back here.

3:22:12Bryan Best Friend FarmsBut yeah, it's a deep-rooted story, the name right there. Yeah, that's heavy foundation right there, dude. Yeah, Travis, always with me. Brandon Krenzler, Brandon Krenzler, Brownie Mary,

3:22:41Bryan Best Friend FarmsBut hey, one idea. Well, thanks for asking about that, Marcus. I never explained the name is kind of like it's fun, but it's and it's pleasant, but it's also deep meaning. I think best friend kind of relates to a lot of people when they think about the cannabis plant and what it's been in their life. I kind of know it for a lot of people where we can.

3:23:00SpeakerMy girlfriend, for sure.

3:23:03Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah. Yeah. And then, man, I'm digging what you're talking about, though, with like these events with the A featured chef. It's so cool to think of like a featured hash maker coming in chef or featured breeder coming in. And I know I'd be down with stuff like that. Like the breeding into my special forms is proprietary, but I'd love to be like feed some forms or types or a certain consistency into some of that and think could kind of like feed into what you guys are doing with your art and then accompanying the chef and the hash maker side all kind of

3:23:37SpeakerYep, bringing it, that's what, you know, for, I did a show on Vice called Bon Appetit for, for several seasons. And that was my role was really kind of being this bridge between the chef, because I knew a lot of chefs as a food writer and just And then being like this edible maker on the side using cold water hash from Humboldt. And you know, I just think that We did a lot with that show, but I feel like there's so much more that can be done because the cannabis industry has come so far since it aired, you know, last aired in 2016.

3:24:26SpeakerSo not to age myself.

3:24:32SpeakerBut yeah, I always, I think it's a, the chefs always were this kind of light bulb would go off for them when you explain what they're cooking with and you kind of tell them that there are different level, like grades and consistencies and flavors and, you know, all of those things, it lights up I'm so excited to be here with you today. I'm so excited to be here with you today.

3:25:01SpeakerI'm so excited to be here with you today.

3:25:21SpeakerThank you so much for joining us today.

3:25:50SpeakerYeah, I think it would be really fun. Marcus, if you've got a spot in Denver, let's plan it out.

3:25:58BubblemanYeah, definitely could get you on the phone with Kyle and some of the other people involved at the space for sure. Because yeah, it sounds like a very interesting kind of fun.

3:26:08SpeakerI know, hash church meetup. Yeah. That would be pretty cool. Hash church kitchen.

3:26:17BubblemanYep, absolutely. It's, yeah, there's so many different good ideas. First of all, shout out to Travis. That's pretty awesome that you had, that he was a part of the foundation of the naming of your farm and that you've, You've kind of had them with you all these years, nine years old. That's a long time ago. My son is 11 right now, so I just can't even, I just, you know, his little buddy, she got cancer when she was little and it was so scary in the village.

3:26:51BubblemanEveryone was just like, ugh. You know, it's just like even like with the politics that people have and the different ways they find to divide one another. Everyone just sort of prays for sick children. You know, it's like we're all equally like just like let's just let that be OK. So it's never OK when it when it doesn't work out like that. But it sounds like you honor him and carry him with you.

3:27:18BubblemanAnd yeah. Yeah. It's in the name of your farm, dude. And I've had you on Hash Church like hundreds of times and never asked you that.

3:27:27Bryan Best Friend FarmsSo what a huge dick I am. Not at all. No, I didn't explain it comes out at the time when it's meant to. People ask, you know, and wonder about it. But, um... Yeah, I flipped my lid when I learned about even the early days of as far as the wasting syndrome and what it could have done for him through the chemo and radiation. Not, you know, not even the it just would have or possibly saved his life, but even like easing the suffering on the way out.

3:27:53Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd when I caught that information, just being with him that whole time, we were really close. That, you know, that was what threw me anything that could alleviate that suffering during that time, you know, that he went through. So, yeah, that's the route. The thing that actually happened is I it was my junior year of high school. And I wrote a term paper and I was just took the, you know, I went with it and I wrote, excuse me, for medical cannabis, medical marijuana back then.

3:28:23Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd just using the name, even though it was medical, but marijuana on the term paper had me get like an instant D minus, you know, I was a decent student. You know, anyway, but and good with writing. So I went deep and it was the Internet had just come out to Maine and the country back then. So I sourced all these different Internet, you know, sources and stuff.

3:28:46Bryan Best Friend FarmsAnd it's the only way that I actually got the information that wasn't available was the interesting thing was on the Web back then because that wasn't textbook and people weren't. It was clandestine. So they weren't talking about it. So anyway, those kind of, yeah. And then we are now, you see how far it's come from that, you know?

3:29:05BubblemanOh, it's unbelievable. We're talking about like preferred ways of like how we eat our cannabis.

3:29:11Bryan Best Friend FarmsYeah. It's all going into fine edible forms.

3:29:15BubblemanOh, my God. To me, it would be like a five-star restaurant that's like, oh, you know, if you want, sir, you can add for 50 euros the THC or cannabinoid edible product. It's like, oh, yeah, well, let's try that out.

3:29:30Etienne FontanYou know, what's that all about?

3:29:33BubblemanYeah, your Wagyu butter. Yeah, your Wagyu fucking, your Wagyu bubble. There you go.

3:29:40SpeakerOh.

3:29:42BubblemanWendy's thinking.

3:29:42SpeakerI know, I am thinking. I'm like, I thought I would do all the time.

3:29:46BubblemanI hear your thinking sounds.

3:29:48SpeakerI know.

3:29:49Etienne FontanThe wheels are turning. Where this hash is actually massage the cows, not so much.

3:29:57SpeakerI feel like I've learned so much today. Like I'll definitely like go. I'm like tomorrow. I feel like I'm going to go and like spew out and just talk about, you know, about how people should be eating the gummies at least every day for preventative. I'll definitely say that. Yeah. you know like really trying i'm doing this like whole like not smoking thing and just posting myself and so sometimes like i feel like i'm running out of content or like how to say or like i forget and i'm like oh yeah that's what i should talk about that's right the patent that's right i should talk about the patent you know

3:30:29BubblemanYeah, go check out those Cannabis Journal episodes. There's like 11 or 12. You should watch each one of them. And then Dr. Allen mentions all sorts of cool things throughout those shows that if you're paying attention, and sometimes I put the links in the description, but most times you got to be paying attention and pause it and then do a search on the thing that he just said.

3:30:48BubblemanAnd then it'll lead you down more rabbit holes of just good data, good information, you know, because you can very much, in my opinion, Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:31:23SpeakerFor Mary Jane.

3:31:25BubblemanOkay, so yeah, so ICBC, which is the event I was supposed to go to, that is starting tomorrow in Berlin. And then Mary Jane is like, what is it, in June or something?

3:31:36SpeakerYeah.

3:31:37BubblemanSo I've been to Mary Jane before. It's definitely a very big event. Big, really quite a party outside beach area. They had like a late, a swimming pool floating in the river out front, which was pretty trippy. Big dock, like a floating swimming pool. It was like an infinity pool floating in the river.

3:31:57SpeakerOkay.

3:31:57BubblemanYeah. It was pretty, it was pretty cool. Yeah. Not for me. I'm going to see Brian. Like in a week and a half in Boston. I'm going to go have lobster.

3:32:10SpeakerTry the hash?

3:32:12BubblemanMaybe. Maybe we will get some. Maybe Brian will bring prepared butter, melted infused butter, and then we'll go have lobster. And then when we do, we'll film it. And then we'll film it to the point where we're both unconscious.

3:32:29SpeakerHow dare you?

3:32:30BubblemanOn the street of Boston. How much was in there? He said 100 milligrams. Apparently it was 10,000. He made a mistake. Made a slight error. Put 10 grams in, not one gram. That's fine.

3:32:46Collin PalmerI've done that before, man. I did that to an edible batch that I was testing and that I made for myself.

3:32:50BubblemanThat's why everyone has a brownie story, dude. The story you're about to tell is why everyone has a brownie story.

3:32:56Collin PalmerI was like, I'm ridiculously high right now. This is ridiculous. Back to my notes. And I was like, huh. That's crazy. I put that much into this.

3:33:08BubblemanIt's definitely not good when it's very early on and you're like, wow, I'm super high. And you know, this is not even close to how high I'm about to get.

3:33:17Collin PalmerAnd it was funny because like I had like written it down, like how much I actually put it. It was like I was taking, you know, like taking notes. It's really funny. Well, when you do come to Boston, um, I'll be there.

3:33:35BubblemanOh, well, that's amazing.

3:33:36Collin PalmerYeah.

3:33:37BubblemanWe'll see you too. I'm going to see a crew of people. Who else is there? There's a bunch of other people.

3:33:42Collin PalmerWe're going to, you know, Brian, we should come up to you. Do you, can you come down, Brian? Or do you want us to come up? We got to come up and see you. Oh, you're always welcome up here. I don't know if I'll have time.

3:33:52Bryan Best Friend FarmsSeveral times. Yeah. For sure. And we're laughing. You're going to come down? Yeah, I'm coming down to the event for sure.

3:34:01Collin PalmerCool.

3:34:02Bryan Best Friend FarmsAwesome. Yeah. Sweet. Yep. I'm making a plan for it and probably staying down there.

3:34:09BubblemanThere's so many cannabis events everywhere. It's kind of unbelievable. I had never even heard of this event and people like it's huge. It's like a big one for the East Coast. It's like, oh, it's like, OK, I'll go check it out. That's what that's what my buddy said. So I'm like, I'm just listen. I have a different perspective right now. I don't have the I guess the best metaphor to use is the pissed off.

3:34:35BubblemanI've seen too many shows. Fish head who's complaining at the end of every show about how they played this song and that song. And if I hear another down with disease, I'm going to throw up and all of these things. And it's kind of just like, dude, like it kind of sounds Like you're not enjoying yourself. I think of the simplicity and I used to in my defense, I used to Maybe judge poorly he or she who watched sports and got into it.

3:35:06BubblemanI'd be like, oh, they're just brainwashed this and that. I was a pessimist about it. Since I've gotten into my own version of enjoying watching hockey, I realize if you can find the type of joy that is found in your hockey team scoring a goal or getting a point, While you're watching with friends and you jump up out of your seat and put your arms up, ask your fucking self how often you do that in your life.

3:35:31BubblemanAnd if you're not doing that in your life, you should find something that allows you to do something like that in your life. Because man, I'm telling you like to watch, like to believe in a team and invest time and watch with friends and have your team score an incredible point or goal. It's the most incredible release. It's just this like, You actually jump up and it's like holy shit like this is a good thing.

3:35:59BubblemanThis is something that like society can definitely use like more celebration more like like I guess you could call it spontaneous joy like just an eruption of spontaneous joy that the person can't even contain. This is something that you should find in your life if you don't currently have it. And as always, I'm so cooked. I forgot the exact point I was making when I went into talking about this, but it doesn't matter because the point is the point.

3:36:30BubblemanFind more joy in your life. And it's not a bad thing.

3:36:35Collin PalmerThe show is going to be good. That's the point. The show will be good. Exactly. That's the point.

3:36:40BubblemanIt's going to be fun to see everyone. The point is for me, I've been kept from these shows. I've been kept from the U.S. And so I'm just so, I'm not the pissed off fish guy. If I went to a fish show right now, it would be my first fish show in over 25 years. I would be the most happiest person in the audience. I'd be so like, I've been starved of this.

3:37:01BubblemanSo I've been starved of America and not so much Americans because you guys are everywhere I go, but America in your own backyard. I've been starved of that and I have been loving it. Coming down, enjoying my friends. It's just been awesome, dude. So I know I'm going to have a good time.

3:37:21SpeakerI feel like I enjoy every show I go to. I have so good like just connecting, you know, probably because you're not looking for a reason to not enjoy it. Yeah, I love it. I like love it so much. Yeah, it's awesome.

3:37:36SpeakerI don't even know about the Boston thing. That's going to be interesting. I guess you'll have to let us know. I guess I'll be tuning in more.

3:37:43BubblemanYes, I think I'm doing, I'm leaving. Yeah, I don't even know. I might be doing a hash church in Boston. I have to look at the dates. It might be a hash church to be done in Boston. There's definitely one happening in Michigan and in Denver in May. I'm going to do a couple of hash church in different states. So that should be fun. Go hang out with the Michigan hash crew and visit and go check out how the hash is being made and make sure everything's on par, as I know it is with Papa Sift, Ryan, aka the Papa Sift.

3:38:20BubblemanOur hash maker down there is awesome. And then Denver as well, which I'll go and see Kyle and my partners, Ted and Dan, you'll see the sales guy, Drew and Nicolette. And yeah, I'm just so, when people are like, they start kind of getting, I'm just like, dude, you don't understand. I'm just so happy to be here. I am just so happy to be here. I can't even explain myself any other way.

3:38:49BubblemanSo, and then people in Vegas, actually, I don't know if you were one of them, Caleb, but there were people in Vegas being like, dude, like you're like positive outlook, positive outlook on America is kind of contagious. Like I'm feeling good about it right now. I'm like, yeah, dude, like no shit. This is awesome. Like there's a whole, there's a reason why everyone's trying to go there.

3:39:11BubblemanYou know what I mean? It is pretty awesome. Like it is pretty good. Like I didn't go to the country for almost 30 years. 30 years. I lived like right next to the border and couldn't go over. So the idea that right now I could just get in my truck and drive over the border is amazing. It is really amazing.

3:39:32Collin PalmerWell, it's great. It's great that you're coming out east. I can't wait to see you, man, in the flesh. It's been a minute.

3:39:39BubblemanYeah. Like how many minutes?

3:39:41Collin PalmerDude, like years. I mean, I remember, I remember when I was just building that facility in mass, I flew out to see my partner at the time. And then we, dude, that was like 2018.

3:39:55Collin PalmerDude, yeah, it was like really, it was right when Daniel was just starting to build those vessels and we went to his warehouse. Right. And you're like, yeah, this is going to be Whistler technology. And I was like, okay. And yeah, it was like, it was very, very, yeah. It was like 18, 19, 2018, I think, to be honest, or 19, I can't remember.

3:40:18BubblemanSeven or eight years ago anyway. Yeah.

3:40:21Collin PalmerYeah, it's a long time ago, but we went to that facility up in the mountains and it had that really awesome lab that had the windows that went to the point and looked at the mountain. And I was like, damn, I want to build a lab like this.

3:40:36BubblemanI think that was in Pemberton.

3:40:38Collin PalmerOverlooking Mount Curry, for those of you that want to Google it. It was incredible to make hash in that and look at that mountain every day. It would have been

3:40:50BubblemanIt's been a nice day. There's something to be said to having beautiful views while making hash. I'm a big fan of it. I've actually been coming out in the mornings. I've got my giant dry sift screens right here. You can see them right here. They're like five footers. And I've been putting them out on the deck, getting the trim out. I got really beautiful sugar trim and I've just been stacking dry sift.

3:41:13BubblemanAnd soon I'm going to film static sifting all of it into pure heads and, you know, the tails that come off of said pure heads. So I can't wait to do it. It looks like really nice material. It feels like really nice material. As it gets warmer, it becomes less my friend. I would prefer it to stay like, you know, close to zero at night or early, early in the morning.

3:41:37BubblemanSo I have like an hour or two to do my hash making. Yeah.

3:41:42Collin PalmerAnyway, yeah, there's cold snaps are key in the dead of February when you don't want to actually go make hash to make hash, you know?

3:41:53BubblemanYeah, I know.

3:41:54Collin PalmerIt was like really cold, you know, you're like, oh, it's just it's been so cold so long. Do I want to go out there and be more cold?

3:42:01BubblemanWell, it's only for dry sift. I don't do it for wet wash the way a lot of other people work in cold rooms. I want to have a cold room, but it can be a very small portion of the room. You know, it can be like I want to have a dry sift cold room and then a little smaller section where I can just wheel in my bucket with my bags and my ice underneath the bucket.

3:42:22BubblemanSo that's all cold. It's only once I get into the cold room and I lift the bags out to collect the hash that If it's of a highest quality hash, then I require a cold room. Not all of the hash requires the cold room, but instead people just jumped this giant leap of assumption and said the whole room needs to be cold. And it's like, well, I mean, fuck, that's hard on the hash maker over time.

3:42:45Bubblemanespecially in the summer working in a cold room like with a big parka and then going in the warmth of the you know the morning and the night where you leave it just seems unnecessary to me when the reactor that you're mixing in is zero degrees you can make sure of it by you know if you don't have a good enough um i should mention this that the often the thermometer in a lot of these outfits it's not that they're cheap at all it's just that they're not exceptional And so you can get your own like reader that like a proper thermometer.

3:43:17BubblemanI know the one we put in with the Whistler tanks are really good and accurate. It's good to know the temperature of what you're working in, especially with bubble, because when you get closer to zero, the sweet spot expands of how the resin drops. Regardless of whether it's a dry resin or a greasy resin or whatever resin, once you get it to a certain temperature, it becomes like all resin, brittle, and breaks off of those stalks.

3:43:45BubblemanSo it's good to have that for sure. I almost want to know what you read, Vanessa, because it was like you got the punchline of a joke at one point in time. She was laughing so hard.

3:43:58SpeakerI said I wanted to eat churros. Okay. I feel like I'm looking up churro places to eat and I was like laughing at like just my mindset right now how desperate I am to be eating.

3:44:17Etienne FontanI thought you were looking at a piece on how to make churros. She's jumped over that at you.

3:44:24SpeakerI don't think I should be frying anything at this point.

3:44:28BubblemanYou've already fried enough.

3:44:30SpeakerI'm fried. And so I think I should leave the frying to somebody else. And then I know of a churro place.

3:44:37BubblemanSo here's a perfect example. And you just made a perfect point by saying it. Notice how when someone is under the influence of cannabinoids. That they don't try to do something that wouldn't be smart to do. Like, for example, when people are, you know, drinking, they convince themselves they're okay to drive a car. But when people, like, if I ate 100 milligrams and I would be like, And someone said, hey, could you drive me to the hospital?

3:45:05BubblemanI'd say, no, no, I can't. I will not drive you. And I'm not going to operate heavy equipment right now. But at the same time, if I built my tolerance up and there was a point where I could eat like 30 or 40 milligrams and that was pretty reasonable for me, there would be at that point I could eat 20 milligrams and no problem. I could drive you to the hospital.

3:45:25BubblemanSo it just depends on how you are with something. But I just have always noticed that people on cannabis, When they enjoy cannabis, if they get too high, because this has happened to me many times, I get people too high. Every time, every time they don't try to drive, you know, and this speaks to, you know, the under the influence of anything, impairment, if you will, it goes to show that you could eat 500 milligrams and the last thing you try to do is jump in your car and go on the freeway.

3:45:57BubblemanIt's like cannabis doesn't, go ahead.

3:46:01SpeakerI think it should be a part of whatever you're offering because yeah it is

3:46:11SpeakerYou know, it is a, if you're eating a lot of milligrams, I'm not going to go drive to get these churros. You know, I'm going to be driven, driven to get them. Or I would go and walk and like get some snacks or something. I love to go on a walk when I'm on an edible. But driving, your reaction time, it's not what it should, like mine right now, I just feel slower.

3:46:41SpeakerYou don't want to feel slower when you're driving because you need to be able to respond to people on the road and they're on whatever they're on. You got to worry about that too. So that's like, that is like 80% of driving is like trying to make sure the other person isn't hitting you either. So if you're, if you're, Inaugurated in it or not. And maybe that's not the right word.

3:47:11SpeakerOr if you're slowed down in any way, which I'm definitely slow right now. I've fried on, on an edit on a hundred milligrams before, but, uh,

3:47:27BubblemanI guess it's all about like, and I, the definitions of the words don't matter to me as much, but it's kind of like, I guess what, what mainstream, what the police, what like the, they would call it impairment. And so it's like, to me, impairment shouldn't be about having a certain amount in your bloodstream or whatever. It should be about, are you impaired? Like, cause, cause someone, some people could be on 500 milligrams.

3:47:55BubblemanAnd pass every impairment field sobriety test, do anything that they are asked of them. And then other people on like two milligrams, you know, could not. But in those people's defenses, they would never have tried to drive in the first place. It doesn't turn that part of your brain off. Alcohol completely slows you down while convincing you that it's speeding you up.

3:48:19SpeakerI wouldn't worry about like that wouldn't be a concern for me. I would go and do yoga and do a yoga class on 10 milligrams. But 100 is like, I give myself a lot of hours to work it through my system. I eat a lot of food. I you know, if I need to drink coffee, I drink coffee, just to like, you know, feel to the point that You know, I'm not that edible high anymore.

3:48:52SpeakerSo but I'm always like, I'm, it's like, you know, like, do you drive and you're high? I'm like, I don't like I wake up and I dab. So I don't know what to tell you. I'd rather be like that than not. Because if I'm not, it's like,

3:49:12SpeakerI'm just thinking of your threads. That's where my brain goes. My threads? Yeah, just in the morning. In the morning? That's what I'm like.

3:49:24SpeakerThat's me without a dab and I've just read the news and I'm like, oh my God, what is going on? Who's going to drop this? Who, you know, what's the latest tea on what, you know, I don't want to get into it because I don't want to get into trouble. But yeah, I definitely am a hot, I stir the pot on threads. About like politics and just in general about the cannabis industry or there are a lot of like people who are, you know, like offering expertise without having done like research and charging a lot of money for it.

3:50:09SpeakerAnd then people are, uh, You know, paying and they're kind of walking around and being like, I'm certified by. It's worse.

3:50:19BubblemanThey're doing they're doing research, but it's not research that they need. It's experience. And that's where what you're speaking of really goes back to like, is what you're doing authentic? Yeah. Are you being disingenuous?

3:50:37SpeakerYou know, and so are you ripping people off? Like, that's like a big thing that people are very, it's such a new industry.

3:50:47BubblemanIt's such a new, like, well, people, people don't even necessarily know how to sometimes Calculate the return on information given.

3:51:00Etienne FontanYou're also carrying a history, right? Of people's all their bad experiences prior with bad product and bad edibles or over edibles, right? Which is a huge ripple that's been out in the general population for a long time. So you have a lot to overcome. So I think, Vanessa, you're speaking, you need authenticity And the realness to overcome that unfortunate reality that follows the reality that comes with edibles, right?

3:51:32SpeakerYeah. Yeah, because edibles have a history of being too strong or if you want to make them yourself, they have to take like three days to make them and you need to do it on a full moon and you have to stir it 500,000 times and like there's all of this kind of like mysticism about

3:51:53BubblemanCan you tell us more about that, Vanessa? We don't want to miss the important stuff.

3:51:58SpeakerI'm going to make this a clip. You know, that's how you make the strongest. It's the only way. It's the only way. The blood moon. The blood moon. And you have to kind of cackle while you're doing it.

3:52:11BubblemanAnd you have to use Brian's hash. Don't forget to face the east and...

3:52:20Etienne FontanOh my gosh.

3:52:21SpeakerYeah, I can. It's just so simple. It's like if this plant is really meant to be cooked with from a culinary perspective, it works so well with food and it has historically been cooked with. And so for me, you know, edibles, it's I... From the hundred milligram flying saucer to the infused curry I had on Kotow with Kodam, that was incredible. You know, it's, you can, there's so many different ways to incorporate this plant into your life and into your diet.

3:53:02SpeakerMaybe not the right word. Lifestyle, however you want to put it. Your food, your recipes. I really, there's, I can't think of any recipe that I'm like, nah, we can't get weed into that. You know, like, especially when you get it into hash form, it's, it's like, it's meant to be cooked with, you know, it's like sugar cane versus, you know, versus granulated sugar when you're going to cook with it.

3:53:26SpeakerIt's like, you're getting down to the part that we're actually like, We want to cook with. So, yeah, I love it. And I thank you for having me here today and letting me really, really high on an edible from legendary Wendy, who I've heard about for so many. Like I first heard about Wendy because I would go up to Humboldt to go see my friend who lived off the Eel River.

3:53:57SpeakerAnd she, I would get my hash from her because I was like, she's a woman and I trust her. She's not going to like, no funny business. You know, you could just, I felt safer. And she would be like, you need to try these gummies is what she said to me. And I was like, who's this? You know what?

3:54:17SpeakerAnd I ate them and I was like, shit. Well, Good for her. You know, it was one of those times where I was like, yup, that's, what can I say? You know, but that's a good, and I said, I was like, that's hard to do. So, you know, I just feel like it was very, we met again and it's just been very serendipitous. Our whole. Oh, shoot.

3:54:46SpeakerSomeone got my door. Okay. I might have to go.

3:54:52BubblemanIt's actually perfect timing because we're just wrapping up the episode. So you did a very good job wrapping that up a little bit.

3:55:01SpeakerThank you so much.

3:55:03BubblemanYeah, well, we'll still continue to say goodbye. But no, thank you, Vanessa. We'll definitely have you back. Appreciate you coming on and bringing Wendy, inspiring me to invite Wendy and have a conversation with us. It was truly awesome. I do look forward to more of that. And geez, I mean, enjoy your hundred milligrams. That's a, that's a, you got a day ahead of you.

3:55:26SpeakerMy goodness. I'm going to go and eat some churros. Oh, it's my mailman.

3:55:30BubblemanOh, look how excited your dog is.

3:55:32SpeakerHe loves to say hi to people and just like,

3:55:36BubblemanLittle tail wagon.

3:55:37SpeakerYeah, she's very social. She's had to be like somewhat cooped up. Because of her knee, but she's doing a lot better. Yeah, I'm going to go and get I'm going to go and get some churros from this place that opened.

3:55:51BubblemanYou know what? Go enjoy those turtles. We're all going to be thinking about you enjoying those turtles, including, you know, several hundred people who are watching live right now. So we definitely wish you and your churros the best. We'll throw in where they can check you out on Instagram and such.

3:56:11SpeakerAnd if you want to check out, this is my cookbook, how to eat weed and have a good time, except for, I don't know how to mirror it, but it's available everywhere that books are sold.

3:56:21BubblemanIt's mirrored. It's coming through. Perfect.

3:56:24SpeakerOh, good. Great. Beautiful. Thank you.

3:56:27BubblemanIt is a beautiful book. You sent one to my wife. I appreciate that a great deal. And we looked through it and we're excited to get into some recipes for that for sure. I will definitely have to have you guys back when you're further down the R&D road of whatever collaboration you guys are going to figure out.

3:56:45SpeakerYes. It's going to be good.

3:56:47BubblemanThank you, Wendy, for coming on and representing and like having bubble hash be the main ingredient in your product. That's super cool. Obviously, I'm biased.

3:56:57SpeakerI guess you made me biased too. I'm going to stand in it, Mark. I'm just going to tell you that.

3:57:02BubblemanTotally biased. Shout out to Puffco and the Press Club for being awesome and supporting and sponsoring. Everywhere I go, those guys are just sorting me out and dialing me up. And I just really appreciate that. And it's good to see you, Brian, dude. Like, really, I can't believe that today, after so many months, I see you. And then we're like, yeah, I'll see you in like 10 days.

3:57:28BubblemanYeah. Boston coming up for lobster. Thanks, Etienne and Colin and Caleb for coming in. Appreciate you guys like crazy. And yeah, of course, thanks everyone for watching. There's a whole slew of people that watch this show and appreciate it. As always, when it's done, I'll upload it to my Buzzsprout and it'll end up on the Spotify and Android and Google and Apple and all of the the The podcast's there.

3:57:58BubblemanYou can just look it up as Hash Church. If you do end up on YouTube and you're watching Hash Church and it's not the video part of Hash Church, it's just like a picture, then you've ended up on an RSSS feed of my podcast and it's just the audio. It's not people like, oh, what happened to the video? There was like diagrams and shit I wanted to see.

3:58:17BubblemanIt's like, well, it's still there. You're just looking at a different video now. Dig deeper, try harder. You can do it. Maybe not right after 100 milligrams, but certainly four or five hours later, you'll figure it out for sure. Or I would. Vanessa can do it at any point in time, apparently on 100 milligrams. And I wouldn't even be surprised if the camera goes off and she goes pop and throws another one in down the hatchet.

3:58:42BubblemanI don't know. I'm just saying it could happen.

3:58:44SpeakerPeer pressure. Whoa.

3:58:48BubblemanNo peer pressure here at all. No peer pressure. But as always, I say to everyone, may the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later or your edible. I'm definitely going to get you ladies on a call here in the near future about a Denver event and we'll see what we can put together. And everyone else, just have a great Sunday afternoon. If you've got family, go spend some time with them.

3:59:10BubblemanIf not, go spend some time consuming cannabis because that's fun. We'll see everyone later. Peace out, everyone. Thank you.

3:59:19SpeakerThank you so much. Thank you.

3:59:22BubblemanThank you.