Masters of Rosin and Colorado's Hash Scene

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6:23BubblemanHe took second place actually. So he is going to be talking a little bit about that today. I've also got Caleb in. I had to have Caleb in because, well, Caleb, I bumped into, who did I bump into? I bumped into Travis from Lobster Farms. Nice. I did bump into Travis from Lobster Farms and Travis hooked me up and I'm going to try and see if I can Put up a shot.

6:55BubblemanOh, look at that. I do have one right there. Awesome. So thankful, Travis. You're such a good dude. Rotten skateboards in the house. The three-strain flight. Yes, it had the Harlem River haze. Yes, it had the pineapple piff. And I can't remember the other piff. Do you remember the third piff that was supposed to be in the flight?

7:16SpeakerI gave... I'll find out right now.

7:18BubblemanYeah, I smoked the haze myself. I gave the piff, the pineapple piff to my boys, Mark from Cannabrand Solutions. Shout out to Mark. And I gave the other piff to... Oh, which one you got there? Show me.

7:33SpeakerThird one's Holy Communion.

7:35BubblemanNo, it wasn't Holy Communion for me. He gave me two piffs. I'd have to look at the pictures.

7:40SpeakerMight have been different.

7:42BubblemanIt was. It was different. I had that one.

7:44SpeakerYeah. And then the third one, the pineapple tiffs.

7:48BubblemanOkay. Yeah. He gave me a couple of piffs and I ended up giving one to a group of friends from Holland. They had just flown in from Amsterdam and didn't have any nice herbs. So they were super happy. Welcome, Stuart, as well. While we're talking, we're going to get to you in one second. I do want to tell a funny story. Man, I had a funny idea while I was in Boston.

8:08BubblemanI was actually out to smoke. It wasn't the haze. I thought it was the haze. Someone else who was like from Vermont was telling me about a haze and he was like, oh yeah, we got this great haze, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Basically told me that or gave it to me, gave me this haze joint. And so I went out, I'm trying to find the picture, but I'll probably have to go on my phone to do it.

8:37BubblemanI go outside. By the way, I had an idea with this joint. It was such a nice little joint and I'm smoking on my Puffco. Thank you, James, for lacing me up. I had a little core the whole time I was there. And instead of Thank you so much for watching.

9:13BubblemanAnd I couldn't light it. I'm like lighting it, lighting it, lighting it. Dude, about two seconds into lighting this fucking joint. And I've never seen anything like this in my life. It actually like shocked me. I was legitimately surprised. Like what the fuck just happened? The picture is so hard to find though. I don't think, oh, there it is. There it is. I like the joint. The flame grabs the rosin because the joint's so small.

9:43BubblemanDude, it was like magician's paper. It went... All of the paper burnt off the joint. All of the flour fell onto the ground. And all I was left in my mouth, the only thing left in my mouth was the filter. Slightly burnt. Dude, and listen, in 40 fucking years of puffing, bro, I have never seen this in my life. And it actually kind of gave me an idea.

10:09BubblemanI guess I'll put it out there and I'll laugh when we see it. Frank joints, a prank joint made out of magician's paper so that when you light it, it just go. I'm telling you, the flash of fire was this fucking big in front of my face. It just went poof. The only guy that saw me and I'm standing out in front at Nikon in Boston, Boston, and the only guy that saw me is this like local guy and he's smoking a joint.

10:36BubblemanHe goes, I hear him go, wow, that was fucking weird. And I was just like, I was so happy someone had experienced it with me. I was so happy that someone had seen it because nobody else had seen it. And, you know, you fucking puff for 35 or almost 40 years and you have an experience like that happen. I'll be honest, it was super, super trippy. Very trippy.

11:02BubblemanBut I want to talk about NECAN and Boston in a little bit. I really want to talk about New York. Masters of Rosin. Heard all sorts of great shit about your entry, Stuart. Way to represent, dude. Go to New York for 420. Did you go for 420 as well? You did, right?

11:19StuartYeah, we went. We got there on the 16th and we were out there until the 21st. So we got to check out, you know, 420. And that was my first time in New York for 420. You know, all those festivities. We went out for 7-10 a couple years ago, but this was kind of the first time I really got to see the New York Canna scene in full force.

11:40BubblemanWalk us through that a little bit. How was that? You know, you arrive in New York. Did you go with Jack or did you go alone?

11:47StuartYeah, I went with Jack. His lady actually went out before and was able to drop off all of our entries. And then we showed up a few days later. So, yeah, I was there with Jack and Portal Provisions and then Doobie Dudes and then Lulu Melts. He flew in pretty much just for the day of the event. He's another Colorado homie grower and he works with Frosty Jacks and his team for making hash, but he's who won.

12:19StuartSo it was really cool, you know, obviously just to have, you know, the podium swept by all Colorado growers, hash makers. Really huge for the state. As you know, I'm born and raised here in Colorado and, you know, kind of grew up and was exposed to the cannabis culture here up in the mountains, which, you know, we have a very vibrant scene in history. You know, so much with genetics and just, you know, between what Scott from Red Dankness and a lot of other breeders first did.

12:54StuartUh, by putting, you know, the mountains of Colorado on the map. And then, you know, there's been just so many small, uh, talented growers up here. Um, again, it's mainly just small indoor grows. So you have people growing very unique genetics. You have. You know, them spending a lot of time per plant compared to other growers and farmers around the country. And I think that's, you know, is highlighted, you know, this last with this competition.

13:20StuartAgain, I mean, we've gone through so many different cycles in Colorado as far as, you know, the scene and industry with quality and quality, you know, it's been a war of attrition here sometimes just to survive as a grower because You know, in about 2012, 2013, it got very competitive and everybody really had to focus on, you know, many people were just focused on, you know, and you had to hit like two to three pounds per light.

13:46StuartA lot of people got rid of genetics that, you know, didn't, you know, do the yield or harvest in eight weeks, weren't commercially viable and And that side of things. And then also, again, it just pushed away from quality. People were very good growers and they became very good at producing very good quality products for very cheap, which sharpened the blade of a lot of talented people here.

14:11StuartBut we got away from kind of just trying to grow the best because there wasn't much of a market for that. And it was really hard to have craft crop quality products in Colorado. You know, the last like until, you know, the last few years, like with in-house and some of these other brands, 710 initially kind of taking the charge. There was this push back to like, you know, unique genetics, high-end products, you know, like rosin and full melt hash and, you know, people in-house phenol hunting.

14:41StuartSo yeah, it's cool to see for Colorado because again, there is like everybody here. A lot of people are growers and they're making their own products. We're not with huge farms. So it's very personalized experience of what, you know, the products that we're producing. They're not huge gardens. So again, it's just me and my brother with our garden. We focus so much time on just the nuance and every little step.

15:06BubblemanYeah, it shows in your turps.

15:08StuartYeah, and I, you know, again, I think hopefully that was highlighted. I think it's the best material that I've grown in the last six years as well, our entry. And you still have some, right? So when I get there next week, I'm going to be puffing it. Yeah, of course, got you.

15:27BubblemanBut yeah. Give all the credit.

15:29StuartYeah, exactly. So it's like, I'm a grower who became a hash maker. And like, I, you know, there is such an art of hash making, but growing is infinitely variable. So, you know, if anything, I wanted to make sure to highlight, you know, the genetics, the breeding powers up, you know, Brett, the Gary Payton, again, all hype aside, is some of the best resin that I've ever come across in my 20 years of growing.

15:54StuartAnd it's just, you know, it's special. It's hard to describe these plants that, you know, have, it's, again, this is the lowest grade that comes off the Gary. This is like the B grade 45U. I know my camera is not the best, but there you see it. It's, it's like, you know, every bit of resin that comes off that plant, and this is generally what you see with some of these really unicorn special plants, even, you know, they might not be the biggest dumpers and produce, you know, a ton of hash per biomass, but every bit of the resin that comes off of that plant melts all the way down to like the 45U.

16:31StuartAnd I think that's a trait that I've seen that kind of like Black Maple, Gary Payton, Cowboy Kush, you know, some, some, some of these plants have like this translucently wet, full melt that again, it might be, yes, Ortega. Yeah, so it's really, yeah, they're special plants. I think sometimes people avoid working with these plants or they're maybe not as highlighted because they're not the biggest yielders and then they're harder to work with.

17:02StuartSo maybe that's why you don't see a ton of, you know, some of the black maple on some of these. But I've always been a hash maker promotes washing greasy varieties. You want to have a plant that's easy enough to collect. But you also, like, it's almost a good sign to have a grease on, you know, to have a little bit of a hard time either sifting it or, you know, having to be really quick, get it off your bags, have to make sure your room is as, you know, and those, those plants that are right on the line of being viable for the, our water process, it's kind of where I've seen is the best quality product.

17:41StuartSo. But yeah, it's an amazing experience. I'm again just stoked for Colorado in general. I think it's cool to just see, you know, Colorado again be, you know, highlighted as a state and, you know, that has a lot of history and talent, people who really care about, you know, the plant and representing it and the best that they can with integrity and, you know, putting everything in.

18:05StuartAgain, I'm a single source, so I like to do everything from, you know, Breeding all the way through the process and be involved and have an understanding of everything. And hash is a culmination of all those processes, genetics, every little detail through the grow and the hash making process.

18:25BubblemanSo you're not wrong there. You know, when you talked about the art of making melt, I'm now in a secondary place of the art. I want to make the melt. I want to make podium products. But I understand that I have to fund those products. I'm not interested in distillate or Rosalit or all these other like super low quality products, but I do love the idea of using traditional hash as my means of being able to create products that can still They can help almost be helper products to products like melt.

19:03BubblemanAnd in order to be able to hear people all the time, like this is tough, it's hard. It's like I'm single source. I'm like everything I get, I'm making into I'm making into melt. So for quite a while now, you know, for myself, as you build a Thank you so much for joining us.

19:37BubblemanTo produce hash that not just the highest level of a snob wants. And one of the difficulties I ran into in Colorado, we have like a no melt bubble. It's still around 60% because it doesn't melt. The SOPs on making it are much easier, right? You don't need the cold room. You don't need all this stuff. I think we can all agree that People are going to smoke things that aren't the highest quality of rosin or full melt bubble.

20:07BubblemanThat's always going to happen. And so I like to be able to kind of make that available to them. One of the problems I bumped into in Colorado, and it was small and we fixed it, but trying to kind of figure out You know, because we we we put melt out, which was great. Very well received. It was beautiful. It was like honey bananas. But we sell a lot of bubble in Colorado for a much better, cheaper, more inexpensive price.

20:32BubblemanAnd that's probably why we sell more of it of just regular bubble. Well, unfortunately, one of the bubble heads who went and bought it assumed it was full melt. You know, nowhere on it did it say full melt. But now what I really want to do I want to figure out a way to mark the non-melt bubble possibly as non-melt because I don't think that's going to turn off a customer who's just really wanting to buy hash.

20:57BubblemanYou know, these people that maybe want to roll it into a join or smoke it into a pipe and don't have like rigs and screens and all these different things. Maybe they want to puff it in a one hitter and not have it melt and plug. It's extremely strong hash. I would certainly not kick it out of bed for eating crackers. But someone bought it and was like, what the fuck?

21:15BubblemanI'm super disappointed, bubble man. Like, what the fuck? So I'm in this position where I don't want to ruin my good name on quality and caliber, but I want to service more people than just that. I want to build the market that you're in by turning on people who currently have A Bic lighter as their only piece of paraphernalia. They only smoke joints. If I can get them into a hash hit or a pure hash joint, we're starting to, you know, look at stuff like this.

21:46BubblemanI've shown this many, many times. This hash right here, if I can get it out, because it's literally stuck in here. This is about nine or 10 months old right now. Very sticky, like very sticky. And you would not ever believe that that's a 30% THC. This is 30% THC. So my art that I'm talking about these days, there's no oil in this. Like I haven't done anything to try and, you know, make this look better.

22:15BubblemanI'm not like in the lab. I'm manipulating it. I rolled it up into a temple ball eight months. It flattened into this just at room temperature. It just fell in the bag. But you can see I've shown this hash before. It's very, very gummy and nice. This is what old school guys are looking for. And I really feel a responsibility. To help those guys gain access to product that they otherwise would not happen.

22:43BubblemanNot a lot of brick hash or temple balls in the Colorado market. And I feel like We're doing a disservice by ignoring those people because those are our future heads. Some of those people who are going to get turned on, you know, did you start with full mouth bubble hash? Like I, maybe you did. Like it did happen to a few, but most of us, you know, started with brown moldy Mexican weed or some other Jamaican or something.

23:10BubblemanAnd then, you know, moved into this, this, this, and this. And it took a very long time to take the journey I'm so excited to be here with you today. I'm so excited to be here with you today.

23:38BubblemanFor the pre-rolled joint people, right? We, you know, like rather than, to me, pre-rolled joints is an entry-level cannabis product. So I'm not mad at it. It's bringing people into our community. It's giving people. It's accessibility, man. It's a chance. It's an option. It's like a... You know, why don't you try smoking a joint? Do you guys want to go buy a pre-rolled joint? So it's a really cool kind of opportunity to build that bridge.

24:05BubblemanYou can't do it with high-end rosin. You can't do it with full melt bubble or full melt dry sift. You're missing too many sections. And so I come in. Thank you so much for joining us.

24:40Bubblemanthe smell of it is so good it's almost like a deep chocolate with a ever so slight background smell of of coffee you know when you get these traditional hashes you know and i think we can also agree i think we can also agree have you ever seen your full melt bubble Maybe Full Melt Bubble if it patellas and then it butters out. You can see it in a particular way.

25:07BubblemanBut generally, rosin, high-end rosin, does not cure well. We don't want that skin on our rosin. We don't want that orange color. That's what it does when it cures. We want it fresh pressed, in the cold chain, like hole and snap. We want these beautiful rosins, but what we don't want is to age them. Traditional hash is the opposite. Traditional hash is, it just, it's actually an important relationship I want more people to have.

25:38BubblemanI want you guys to get a mechanical screen separation, bounce a little bit of your trichomes, you know, don't try to make it 90%, but you, you know, rolling up full melt bubble and making it look like a ball like this. Is not hard. It is the easiest thing you could do. You could do it in your hands, like with your fingers. You don't even need tools or anything.

26:00BubblemanBut taking a farmer's grade dry sift and turning it into a ball of hash, this tasty and soft dry sift, bro, like. Take your trim and run, you know, for 20 minutes or run and get like dry sift. Try to even get it to stick together in your fingers. I'm not adding any binding agent to this. I'm not doing anything that's like altering it in some horrific way.

26:27BubblemanI'm just following traditional techniques. And I'm really excited to bring more of that to...

26:37BubblemanTo Denver and to Colorado. I think it's been very well received. We got one of the number one brick hash SKUs in Denver. Our little article came out the other day. I'm with you, dude. I fucking love Denver. I love all you hash makers. You guys have a very beautiful passion. I want you guys to survive. I don't want you guys to drop off and be like, This is unaffordable.

27:01BubblemanYou know what I mean? Like it's like it's getting unaffordable. It's hard to grow these crops just to turn them into melt, just to kind of I want to maximize. So if I can help guys like you find bits and pieces of your crop that aren't going into melt, that can go into products like this. It helps you grow your audience with a different group of people who are maybe months or a year plus away from trying your actual highest caliber products.

27:31BubblemanBut it certainly doesn't mean that they can't That they can't get into your products at another level. And so that's really what the Bubble Man brand is focused on. And let me tell you, Stuart, it's an art. It's an art to try and produce beautiful rosin and beautiful hash for these very snobby, very like aware smokers who are, you know, they're looking for flavors, they're looking for feeling and experience.

27:56BubblemanAnd They're very critical. They critique hard. And so I'm trying to make hash for them, but I'm also trying to make hash for all these other people. So I want them to know very specifically, if you go over here and you smoke this and you're expecting this, Well, you're not going to be overly happy and probably just the same way as someone who's looking for an older guy looking for a 30% hash and you end up with something that's 65.

28:23BubblemanI mean, that tears your head off, dude. And I've had a lot of talks with guys, most people who are trying to make traditional hash right now, they can't get it to bind together without oil. They have to use oil and distillate resin, rosin, fucking butane oil. Like I've seen everyone put everything in it. So what they end up doing is they just make bubble because bubble is the only hash they can roll up and get to look like this.

28:48BubblemanYou know, if it's a 50 or a 60 percenter, it's not that difficult. I'd love to hear more about the Masters of Rosin and kind of a little bit of the experience leading up to that for you guys in New York. Of course, Masters of Rosin, I was, I probably was a judge at the first Thank you so much for joining us.

29:24BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

29:49BubblemanWho can understand and smoke 70, 75 dabs in a small period of time. For me, I've explained how I test for Masters of Rosin. I lose 1, 2, 3. I lose 7, 8, 9. I kind of, or 8, 9, 10. I sort of stick in a 4 to 7 range. So I tighten up my data set rather than make it larger.

30:17SpeakerMm-hmm.

30:18BubblemanAnd, you know, I do it really quick. I usually smoke those jabs like all 77 or 64 the last time I did it in a day. And then I'll do it again the next day. And by the next day, from my notes, it'll be pretty, pretty noticeable where I'm leaning at least in my top, you know, five to 10. And in a top five to 10, when you have 70 and Masters of Rosin is a really night, like you get 60 entries.

30:48BubblemanAnd like when I had 64 entries, there was really only a few that weren't that great. Crazy enough, I remember that year. I remember the Barb from The Great Gardener came in 64th. Which is definitely not something you ideally want. It was still decent, but it was just it had a little bit of that. It was curing out a little bit like the cold chain was lost.

31:12BubblemanBut still, you can grind it down. You get your top 10 within there. There's probably going to be like three, you know, that are exceptional. And now it's just a matter of figuring out of what order you want to put those three in. I've always loved being a judge. So when you enter, you cannot be a judge. Is that correct? Or you are the judge?

31:31StuartNo, yeah, with Masters, they have a panel, a pre-pick panel of judges. So this year, it's like Hunter from Hidden Forest, yeah, and like Sam. It's usually people who have either won it or podiumed or other professionals. I know that, yeah, I believe Scott Depe from Mothership, he was one of the judges. That makes sense. The GZ won forever. They have a couple. Oh, Rob. And then, yeah, Terps Army.

31:58StuartLorenzo, okay. Lorenzo was one as well. Maybe Alice? I don't know. Alice was in L.A. She was in L.A. I don't think she was this year in New York. But yes, either, you know, she's definitely been a judge multiple times. So it's usually very well respected people who are either makers or, you know, know that.

32:15BubblemanYou know what? It's so different. There's so many different ways to do it. I've always loved. Which is how I do legends and how we how legends came about accidentally. We didn't plan this. You know what I'm saying? Like Sam and I planned an event for everyone to to come and just celebrate hash. But at the event, Sam is such a fucking fiend. He he's like, hey, why don't we I want to try everyone's hash and I'll let you know what I think is the best.

32:41BubblemanAnd that's really how legends. And then you got to keep it. You got to keep in mind, too. Back then we were all like. Even still to this day, just enamored by Sam. Like this was like Sam was the snuffleupagus back then. He wasn't hanging out with everyone. He was like, this was before hash church. He was very, very hard to nail down. And so to have an event where you could just go and smoke hash with him and sit at his table and let him smoke your hash and give you a critique, we didn't realize what a cool thing we were starting.

33:15BubblemanAnd so eventually after several Amsterdam legends, You know, I thought, well, why don't we do it where all the people who are invited to enter are the judges. You are judging by your peers. I want all the hash makers. And of course, each hash maker could go in there and just vote for their own. I get that. But these guys were different. They were, you know, they were like, they really, I appreciate a hash maker who can cut through their own cognitive dissonance, smoke something that's better than what they have.

33:48BubblemanAnd then mark it down on paper. You know, to me, that is the highest level of integrity. Go ahead.

33:57StuartI just said it. Yeah, it's a very humbling experience. That's why I like going to these. You can even think, you know, you're a lot of times we're isolated as growers and hash makers, at least, you know, up here in the mountains. If I was just in my own little world, you know, I might think I have like superior, a really good product, but you don't really know until you start going to these things.

34:15StuartI mean, the first time I went to ego clash or, You know, I've done very bad in these competitions too. Like, and that's what people got to realize too. It's not like, you know, it takes a lot of work. It's, I've taken a lot of L's and, um, had to learn both the strategy of, uh, you know, kind of what to enter. There's a strategy in that, you know, there's a strategy.

34:37StuartIt's, uh, 100%. And also it depends on, you know, again, if it's a panel, if it's your peers, I, I, I like, There's only a couple or only a few competitions I do that are just like panel judged and it's really, you know, masters or other ones that have highly selected judges and then there's enough of them to where there's a data pool, you know, to where there, yeah, nine judges, it kind of evens out and things, even if you might have one judge or, You know, that might not have liked your score or your product.

35:07StuartLike, it's not going to ruin your score. So it's good. I like that. Having like more than just a few judges kind of evens it out. But yeah, there's a bit of strategy in it for sure. So yeah, sometimes like, you know, I've entered product that, you know, has not done well. And it's a lot of it's, you know, it might be good color. It might, you know, be a variety that smells amazing, but it doesn't translate, you know, and that's like, One of the biggest aspects.

35:35StuartYou got to check every box. It's got to look amazing. The texture, the melt quality, the smell. Everything. And then translation and have almost deeper levels of translation, I think, is the ones that do very well. It's so complex on the palate. That, you know, it's hard to argue. It's even more in-depth than the aroma.

35:58BubblemanWell, there's a rabbit hole we've never really gone down. And, you know, what's his name there? Hitman Dougie's been going off on this wonderful D8 show. I don't know. I laugh at Doug and think he's hilarious. I think it's a good conversation. I've kind of been enjoying him stirring the pot. I'm not going to lie. That's good. You know, it's definitely directed at us raws and boys more than anyone.

36:19BubblemanBut right on, dude. So... Someone writes, listen, this is science. You guys are heating it up at 160 Fahrenheit. There's terp loss. There's degradation. You're not getting what you're getting. We're at the end. He's going on the BHO. And so I'm sitting there. I'm like, good, good point. Good point. And I thought, I wonder how he's inhaling his butane hash a lot. So I asked him, well, how are you smoking your butane?

36:49BubblemanHe's like, I take dabs. I said, oh, what temperature? He says, oh, around like 4, 430. I said, 430 Fahrenheit. Do you know what happens at 430 Fahrenheit? Because he said it to me in the post. Do you know what happens at 160 Fahrenheit? Terp loss, degradation, I said. So when we talk about translation and the palette, it doesn't matter what you have in the jar. It matters what translates in my lungs and in my olfactory.

37:16BubblemanBecause when I burn the dab, there's going to be an enormous amount of degradation. There's going to be esterification of terpenes. There's going to be change. There's going to be loss. There's going to be all of these things. And I've gone very deep down this rabbit hole with Brian from D-Nail. What surface are you hitting it off of? Are you hitting it off of a titanium nail?

37:34BubblemanBecause the way the nail retains heat and releases heat is very destructive to volatile organic compounds. You can reduce that by moving into quartz and you can reduce it further by heading over to silicon carbide. And if you really want to hit The Holy Grail. You can get into Sapphire dishes that cost like 500 bucks a pop. And the way they retain heat and release heat decides how they destroy or preserve volatile organic compounds as they're actually going into your mouth, not from opening a jar and smelling it, but from dabbing it on a banger.

38:08BubblemanThank you for joining us.

38:31BubblemanWhat you preserved, how well does it translate in the dab? What's happening in the dab? Because the last I checked, a low temp dab is 400 degrees. Some people are hitting that five or six or seven. We used to hit glowies at 900 to a thousand. I'm certain hot knives in the 80s, those motherfuckers were probably 1200 degrees. Like the metal was almost dripping off the knife.

38:55BubblemanWe were hitting those so hot. And it's interesting if you've ever hit hot resin, you can really taste the destruction in the profile. You can taste how the heat has, how the balance of preservation and destruction has, has, has so heavy in destruction and so light in preservation that I think a lot of what we're trying to do in the grow room, in the processing room, And in the dab that we're inhaling into our lungs is raising preservation over destruction and raising preservation because preservation equals translation.

39:30BubblemanIt equals this is what's here to my nose. I mean, don't get me wrong. Oh yeah, smell my jar. That's amazing. Does it translate when I take the dab? And no matter how much we heap things with rosin and then I find a lot of rosin translates really, really well. And so that was my... My reply to Dougie the Hitman on his last Ross and Boys post.

39:58StuartI think you got a fair point there.

40:04StuartI enjoy the conversation he's bringing up, but again, I think a lot of it's starting material on both sides. It's like if you start with really great starting material, you can only make it worse. In the hash making process. So you can only, you know, have a negative effect on the representation of the product by making it into hash. And obviously, there's different ways to, you know, take that resin off the plant.

40:34StuartAnd, you know, even with the last couple weeks, we keep our rooms very Um, uh, cold, you know, we try to, we ran like the, uh, the room that we just pulled down with the Gary and everything that was like 68 to 70 degrees for like the last two to three weeks, again, to try to preserve the terpenes and way before we're even, you know, extracting them, uh, on the plant for the last few weeks.

40:57StuartSo we're not losing some of these volatile compounds and then prepping very carefully, um, and getting them into the freezer. Um, and you know, and then, Making sure to get that material off quickly and not have it in the water very long. And then right into the freeze dryer. And then from there, if you are making things into rosin, you know, now that for the Gary, the first time I ever did the five U bags, but we did triple five U.

41:29StuartAnd I think that just helps with getting some more of the lipids and fats and any other contaminate maybe just makes the, you know, The rosin a little bit probably raises and decreases the level of contaminant overall in the rosin. I've never had it tested at a 5U compared to 25U. But we're pressing at lower temperatures. And again, it's a balance of exposure to temperature and trying to get it off the press soon.

41:56StuartBut again, the whole process, even with making rosin, you're trying to clean the product by retaining terpenes. And I think it's proven really good rosin. I mean, it's so loud. Even if you did put it under heat, it's jumping out of the jar. Just like some of the really great butane extractions. Again, like they're, you know, There can be great butane extractions, but I do think representing like the plant and just isolating, trying to grow the best resin heads and then taking it all the way to the process that we're taking is a very like objectively logical process that is, you know, it's hard.

42:37StuartWe're really not manipulating. We're just trying to isolate. And it's essentially chromatography, you know, where we're trying to get these resin glands off the material. And get as many of them as we can and separate them by maturity and size and by minimizing contaminant at the same time.

42:55BubblemanYeah.

42:56StuartWell, I don't feel that we are. And that's, you know, the art form and a lot with genetics and the process, but. Again, I think it's a safer product overall comparatively to most products at VHO just because it's a much more complex process with VHO with the equipment and again, the purging process to make sure that it's safe. And you just don't know who you're getting things from, at least with rosin.

43:17StuartIt is really like, A little bit more transparent. Like, it's harder to adulterate.

43:24BubblemanI don't see the Rosin guys concerning themselves with BHO the way the BHO guys seem to be very concerned with the Rosin guys. So there's definitely that. Fuck, I had a couple of really good points, but I lost them. But... Yeah, I wanted to actually mention in all of this while we're talking about all these different ways and the five micron bags, triple bagged, all this interesting stuff that Stu just mentioned.

43:50BubblemanI am actually going to be in Colorado. I'm going to be in Michigan actually next week from the 3rd till the 9th. So if anyone's in Lansing or Monroe or Detroit, I'd love to link up. Love to see you guys out there. I will be heading to Colorado on the 9th and I'm going to be there till the 17th. And I'm pretty excited about a project that I'm doing there with Low Temp.

44:17BubblemanThey've got a very simple purpose, these guys. We want to teach you how to produce the highest quality solventless HASS imaginable. Whether you're just starting out or have years of experience, our classes deliver invaluable insights, techniques, and expertise from the very best solventless hash makers in the world. They've been doing these cool hash classes. I'm not sure how many years they've been pulling it off, but this month, I am the guest.

44:41BubblemanI almost read legendary. I'm not legendary. I'm a humble servant of Jack. That's their words. I did not invent bubble bags either, but I definitely pioneered them. So good for that. What to expect? A deep dive into the history of ice water extraction like you've never heard before. How to recognize and select full melt wash genetics for the highest quality results. Learn the fundamentals of preparations, washing, and collection techniques.

45:07BubblemanA live full wash of material in the mini Osprey 2.0 walked through step by step. We'll enjoy a delicious lunch break to refuel and network with fellow attendees. There's going to be an in-depth breakdown of the best freeze dryer settings for different applications, including a full explanation of sublimation. We're going to get into the considerations for lab space and environmental controls. We're going to do some live rosin pressing with myself, personal tips, tricks, and techniques.

45:34BubblemanAnd then we'll do a comprehensive Q&A sessions to address all of your questions directly with me. And they're going to do a little raffle to win a secret and brand new Low Temp Industries product. So that's going to be pretty cool. And then we'll conclude the day with a group hangout network session. I'm still trying to figure out if I'm going to be able to throw a smaller event at the reserve the next day.

45:57BubblemanI have to talk to my partner, Kyle, and really figure that out. The event date is May 16th, 2026. Doors open at 8 a.m. Class starts at 830 a.m. Sharp. Not really. And we'll go till 6 p.m. The venue will be the Lobotemp Industries building. I will say that the last event sold out in under 24 hours. They're only going to have 25 tickets available and they should probably disappear quickly.

46:24BubblemanYou can check out the link in the bio. You can get in touch with... Low temp, they're going to be putting up a video right away. So on their Instagram in the bio, I'll also put the bio tickets for sale in my bio once they go up. I don't know if we're going to put them up today or tomorrow or the next day. Your ticket purchase will include access to the one day solvent with seminar gift bag from low temp and featured sponsors.

46:49BubblemanAnd a catered lunch. And if you have questions, you can contact Low Temp or myself and we will get that to you. There's a whole course agenda, but I'm not going to share that right now. That will be something we share when you purchase your ticket. So yeah, sorry to turn it into a commercial there, but I'm super, super excited to go to Colorado and do a hash course at the Low Temp Industries facility.

47:18BubblemanAnd yeah, I'm just... I'm excited to be in the room with like 25 incredible hash makers. You know, at first I was like, geez, what am I going to show these guys? I've been showing everyone everything for so long. And then I thought, you know what? I still have my perspective. I still have my stories. I still have a few tricks up my sleeve that I will be able to share.

47:39BubblemanSo if you want to raise your Water extraction level to the next level. That's what we're going to be doing. And of course, in that course as well, I'm going to go over a little bit about making sure how to use the material that isn't ideal for full melt or rosin. There's certainly still a value for those materials and those values can really make it so your company can continue to survive.

48:05BubblemanSo you're not only relying on podium products, not that we don't love. Podium Products. What do we got here? The Blue Zoosh. All right. Well, Blue Zoosh, just a dab left. I'm going to rip that. Rip a dip. What were you puffing on, Caleb?

48:25SpeakerOh, man.

48:26BubblemanOh, man.

48:26SpeakerI'm going through. I actually don't know because they're blinded samples.

48:32BubblemanOh, nice.

48:33SpeakerYeah, for the Mendo Cup. But if I had to guess, that was something, uh, Related to biscotti maybe.

48:42BubblemanOkay, probably an accurate guess, probably an accurate guess. So no New York for you, correct, Caleb? You stayed on the West Coast and... Yep.

48:49SpeakerYeah, me too. Stayed on the West Coast, especially for 420 hours in Arcata. The Humboldt Showdown had a little sesh and competition. And speaking of traditional hash, the traditional hash actually won, like some dry sift hash balled up like that, ended up winning the melt competition. You know, category.

49:11BubblemanMust have been static, no?

49:13SpeakerYeah, it was static a little bit, but it was like, you know, brown stuff versus six star. And I guess there were enough old heads there that they voted for the brown stuff instead.

49:24BubblemanWell, this is this is why things are subjective, right? We want the things that relate to us. I mean, I don't smoke a ton of the brown stuff, but I do. And I will give this challenge to any of you out there who are big smokers and love to get destroyed and ripped on dabs. Create a relationship with some traditional hash, even if it's your own traditional hash and you're not buying it, but just make a little farmer's grade.

49:50BubblemanWhat I find is instead of a rocket ship to the moon, it's very much like a warm hug. It's just comforting. It's just a nice mellow. If you're just used to like the like right up to the top of the clouds. It's just not that. It's a very, very different experience that is just not that. And there's value in it. Do I smoke it a lot? Probably less than 10% of what I smoke is traditional hash.

50:24BubblemanBut when I do, I'm always surprised by it. I'm always like, damn, like this is actually, I wish I could get an island. You know what? This is a fucking great idea. This is a great idea. You get a group of hash makers and you bring them out to some place where they don't have access to their dabs or their melt. And you only give them access to nice traditional hash.

50:49BubblemanAnd you just, it's, you know, reality hash smoking show that lasts maybe a week or something. I bet you by the end of that week, you'd have a good percentage of those people who had revelations in regards to the relationship that they have with the plant and relationships that they have with hash. And I did it. I did this. I did this for 25 years and I just did this.

51:15BubblemanAnd it was amazing. But what I noticed was when I did this, I forgot all these other people and I left them behind. And since that, what I've done is I've come back down to all those people and those people make up a way bigger group than the people at the top that are like, I got the tapioca, full melt, six star, you know, whatever. It's very, it's a very different group of people, but they're awesome people and they're amazing to hang out with and traditional hashes.

51:44BubblemanSo you can sit and smoke like two grams of traditional hash, like blast out a chillum, smoke a couple of bowls, roll a snake. If you like hash holes, try rolling some of your lower grade bubble that doesn't bubble into a nice thick snake right in the middle of your joint and tell me that that isn't one of the most delicious joints that you've ever smoked. So I'm really like funny that for the longest time I was really carrying the flag of the full melt and the dry sift and the rosin.

52:16BubblemanDon't get me wrong. I'll never stop carrying that flag. But I've also picked up another flag, which is, you know, these traditional hashes that I want people to have access to. This one's one of my favorites because it's it's a haze. This one is a haze ball. It's a little bit harder than the other ones. Um, in the sense of like, I, I can, I can, I can push my finger like this and you could see the indentation, but it's much, much stronger than if I use the exact same force on this one, it looks like that.

52:56BubblemanSo you can kind of see the difference.

52:58SpeakerIt's a thumbprint. Yeah.

53:01BubblemanOh shit. It's on my finger. I can't get it off Caleb.

53:06StuartSo I love old school hash. I mean, that's, you know, and also scissor hash is a special experience. I mean, that like when we used to wet trim, we don't wet trim anymore. But back in the day, like wet trimming and smoking that scissor hash off the scissors was some of the most like, that was like always still to this day, some of the most special experiences that I would get, like tangerine haze, getting the scissor hash of that or something special.

53:34StuartSo, yeah, I mean, I would love to, you know, kind of bring it back. I mean, I feel like a lot of our journeys, at least mine, it started with making water hash. And then, then it was like BHO and solvents. And then I came back to pretty much strictly growing and, and, and making, you know, my own hash, water hash in 2000, like 19, 2020, when I got back to Colorado.

53:59StuartUm, so it's full circle and then it's only bet, you know, it's only like proper to really get it back to like the traditional side. Cause I agree there's a huge market, uh, and just like a lot of people who, you know, really want traditional house in general. Um, and it's a different experience. That's like much, uh, you know, uh, more palatable for most people. Um, uh, just with the high and, you know, the experience itself, it's, uh, That has such a unique flavor and effect.

54:32StuartSo even being someone, yeah, who's focused on, you know, obviously just trying to make the highest end products, like it doesn't mean, you know, Again, I think there is it's undervalued. A lot of times there's like a huge scale of the traditional hash market that, you know, when the market gets a little bit more educated, you know, there can be stuff that's really accessible to, you know, stuff that's a little more aged and stuff as we know more that of that process.

54:57StuartAnd then, you know, there's a whole new market. And yeah, it's part of the whole spectrum of what cannabis can offer.

55:05SpeakerSo again, I hate being dogmatic about any of these things.

55:08StuartWhether it's growing or like hash, you know, we're still at the beginning of a lot of these, of everything, you know, and to, you know, it's really short-sighted to, Doug and other aspects or think your way is the way because there's many, again, it's subjective. And then there's many different ways to express, you know, the plants.

55:31BubblemanI did it for years. My way was the way. It was the only way and everyone needed to do it. But it was also, that was the passion that was driving me. So it worked out in a lot of people's favors. I would love to make some traditional hash with you next time I'm in Colorado, dude. It'd be really fun, you know, bust out some balls. I actually...

55:50BubblemanI actually pulled a little bit of that hash off for the first time. I pulled a tiny little bit off and I'm going to smoke some through a hash hit, but I need to grab a lighter. So why don't you guys give me two minutes, talk so it's not awkward and silent. Caleb, Stuart, Stuart's walking away.

56:10StuartHe's like, oh shit, didn't you tell me I had to, give me two minutes. I was going to see if I could find some traditional hash myself. I know I have some around here. What do you got there, Kalen?

56:19SpeakerThis is the bag I got at pre-seed day.

56:23StuartNice, I was sick. Shout out Mace in the chat. Oh yeah, yeah, pull some things out. Let's see what you got.

56:30SpeakerOh, is Mace in the chat? Mace is in the chat.

56:34Collin PalmerFirst bag from the grab bag, Congo Kashmiri. From Hayes Valley. That's awesome.

56:41SpeakerI'm growing the Congo Kashmiri Freak Show. I bought those seeds at Ego Clash. Hell yeah.

56:47StuartWe'll definitely send some seeds next year, Mace. Sorry about this year. I got way too busy. We usually try to send something in.

56:55BubblemanOh yeah, that's what Mace needs. He needs seeds.

57:00SpeakerBankroll Donnie.

57:01StuartWhat is that?

57:04SpeakerBankroll Donnie is a Barf Breath and Flama Express by, I may be saying this wrong, Grattan Labs. Cool.

57:13StuartSee, I love just, there's more people should breed, more people should put out seeds of just plants they like. Absolutely. It's cool to just, you know, just put out, grow plants that you like, see some different things that you like between those plants, be creative, you know, breed with plants that you enjoy, make seeds, more people should do it.

57:34SpeakerYeah, shout out Crooked Perry Selections. They've been free seeds at multiple events that I've been at. So I've got this, you know, I think I've got maybe a different generation of these same seeds possibly.

57:49SpeakerMan, this one's called Gym Shoes from Stink Face Seeds.

57:54StuartNice.

57:57BubblemanSome funk.

57:59SpeakerYeah.

57:59BubblemanThis traditional house is really nice.

58:02SpeakerOoh, nice. Tastes good. Hash it. This one came with artwork.

58:07StuartThat's sick.

58:10SpeakerYeah.

58:13StuartYeah, it all starts with the seed. That's what's cool. It's a great thing that Mace is dealing with that, just spreading, you know, accessibility of seeds, because that really gives every, you know, from there you can make all these things. That's always what I tell people, you know, as a breeder and myself, like, Ash is great, but I always like to, you know, share the seed and promote more people to grow their own and make their own hash.

58:35StuartSo yeah, we need more of those in the community. That's I'm actually going to a seed event in Denver that we're doing here at two o'clock. So I got to get off here in about an hour. Nice. Where's the seed event? The secret? Down in, it's at Diebolt Brewery in Denver. There should be a number of brands like local Colorado breeders.

58:56BubblemanMaybe this is something we can do at the reserve down the line. Seed salt. I love that.

59:03StuartI mean, it's definitely my favorite thing. I love gifting people seeds and sharing. Yeah. I mean, it's, I'm a huge seed collector and breeder myself. And I mean, it's my favorite aspect. I love making hash and growing for ash, but my, you know, my ultimate dream is to just be able to just do breeding and selections and, you know, have a nursery and all that. That's, you know, hopefully in the future, I'll be able to spend more time doing that.

59:30StuartYou know, still making hash and everything, but it's kind of always been my side projects, but I try to do back cross projects and all the plants that I care about. And I promote, you know, definitely want more folks to, again, just make more seeds. Don't, don't be, you know, off foot or scared to, you know, make, make, have some pollen and put it on some plants.

59:51StuartWe need to preserve the genetics that we have now. So. I totally agree.

59:57BubblemanAnd, uh, Yeah, it's how we've gotten so many incredible flavors. It's how we've sort of stumbled. I like Chimera's... Terminology, pheno stumbling. I don't think that's, I don't think it's insulting. The first time I heard it, I was like, oh, it's a little aggressive. And then, and then I was like, you know what? That's actually like, that is what we're doing. A lot of us are pheno stumbling and that's okay.

1:00:22BubblemanMost of my stumbling has led to some of my best accidents, which have left, led to some of my best epiphanies. You were talking about L's the earlier today, Stuart, and I don't know if you can get W's without L's.

1:00:37StuartYou definitely got to take some mind with breeding, growing, all these things. It's all a learning process. You just, you know, you got to keep, keep out these things that growing is an improvement process, making hash, like we're always improving. That's why it's good to be, you know, self-critical and, you know, always like take notes and try new things. Don't get, you know, caught up in, uh, Like I just switched my grow.

1:01:02StuartI was mainly like a cocoa grower for my, and doing like Synganics and stuff on that side. And then I switched to soil and like after doing that for 10 years and I had to take a jump back and like relearn and I'm still learning a ton. Um, So, you know, yeah, always try new things. You know, it's like, don't don't get caught up with stuff and use it as motivation.

1:01:24StuartAgain, that's why I like going to all these shows and stuff and competitions and anything. You've got to be with peers that, you know, also share the same passion and you've got to show everybody your work. And it's really inspiring, you know, talking with other people who are in this space so that, you know, just community in general is so important for Justin Cronin, CFO Alphabet and Google, Office Word 97-200-231-8800

1:02:07StuartBecause I'm learning all the time and these things are infinitely variable. So it's like, even if I tell you exactly what I do, like it's, you're never going to be able to fully replicate it again. I'm not going to be able to fully replicate what I do fully every round.

1:02:20Collin PalmerTotally.

1:02:22StuartSo we're all on this journey together with a dope plant to be able to, you know, that's why I love growing many different things. It's like you grow every different variety has its own optimal pathway. And each clone, you grow a clone, like in different situations. I've grown my cowboy cush outdoors and in different states and, you know, under the sun up here at 9,200 feet. And you can see how one clone expresses differently.

1:02:47StuartThere's just a ton to learn. So it's exciting time. And it's cool that, you know, where our community again in Colorado is coming together and nationally. Internationally, all these things are getting tied together because people are doing amazing stuff all over the world really with cannabis right now. It's, you know, just because we're in it, it's almost hard to comprehend where things are at. But I just gave someone seeds in New York.

1:03:12StuartHe's going back to Aruba. He's growing for hash in Aruba and like, You know, there's some people in Columbia that were coming up that we were talking. It's like, it's very cool. Like when I've gone to Barcelona, I'm sure like I've met people from all over the world, you know, like Africa, like it's, it's cool. So again, exciting time to just be a part of everything, you know, on a small scale locally, because that's where it all starts to getting to be a part of stuff, you know, you know, around the world with Ash.

1:03:41StuartIt's, it's exciting.

1:03:44BubblemanI like that around the world with Hash. I really do like that. I like the idea of the next time I do a Legends, probably it'll be in Denver at the Reserve, guaranteed. Having a little traditional cup, having a little aspect of like, hey guys, like, no, let's just make a little bit. It won't be some huge entry, but if everyone can show up with a little piece and, you know, the people who appreciate that, I'll bring in some like, you know, some older school hash connoisseurs of that type of hash.

1:04:15BubblemanIt would be... I just feel it's important that we maintain paying homage to the roots of hashish culture. I don't want that to disappear. And that's to be honest, that's what Legends was really about. It was more about paying homage to the history of hash and where we are today in the celebration and our appreciation as hashish aficionados. But there was always that aspect of the hubbly bubblies, the Afghan style hash, the Lebanese style hash.

1:04:50BubblemanLike, you know, I would love to do a Legends of Hash in Lebanon. I would love to do a Legends of Hash in Afghanistan. I would love to do a Legends of Hash in Morocco. You know, truly get these fucking hash makers out of their basements and out of their labs And into a hash producing country. You know, to me, that would be the ultimate legends where we're there for three or four days.

1:05:15BubblemanWe're going, you know, we're, we're visiting some fields. We're visiting some hash production sites. We're, we're sitting down and listening to traditional hash makers explain their processes instead of fucking scientists out of fucking Harvard talking about whatever. You like that, Caleb? I fucking love the Boston accent, dude. I'm not going to lie. Give me, you know, what did the guy say? My buddy was telling me a story.

1:05:39BubblemanIt was in Gloucester. And he met this old dude that was like, He ordered some special drink neat. And then he said something like he had just eaten a full meal, by the way, and his wife, he was going to watch the game. So he told his wife she could take the car home. He's going to watch the game. The guy just ate appetizers the whole nine yards.

1:05:57BubblemanWhat do you want for dessert? It was a Grand Marnier. Neat. And that shout is fucking whispering to me. And he so he got a bowl of clam chowder as well. I don't know why, but those are Martin Scorsese characters like that accent is incredible. I got along so well. It seemed the more hardcore someone was Boston, the more I got along with them. And I don't know if it's because where I grew up had a certain aggressive edge to it.

1:06:26BubblemanBut I gotta say, man, Boston was really fucking awesome. Nikan was cool. It was small, but it was very cool. And much like Colorado, it is amazing the cannabis culture that America has in just the few states that I've visited so far. And I haven't done Washington, Oregon, or Cali. I didn't do New York yet. I haven't done some of the big ones, but the ones that I've done...

1:06:56BubblemanMan, there's an amazing cannabis culture there. It's just the more I get into it, the more I realize, holy shit, I'm going to be spending a lot of time in the US and I'm fucking here for it.

1:07:09StuartIt's really exciting going to new states. I've gone out to Missouri. That's a really cool emerging scene and Michigan. Just being here from Colorado where it's like we've been legal for a while. And some of the luster and like people like how stoked they are, you know, when you go to other states, you kind of forget about that when you're like here, a lot of people are jaded and, you know, have had maybe it's been legal for a while.

1:07:38StuartSo when you go to these new markets, you have all these new growers, people just getting into it too. It's, it's really exciting. Michigan, Maine has one of the coolest scenes, especially for Um, you know, being able to be a caregiver and a small producer and have a small farm and be able to, you know, very low barrier of entry. So it's amazing all over the country, how many cool, you know, pockets there are of, uh, where, you know, there's independent thriving scenes, you know, growers, new growers, people, you know, starting to breed new hash makers.

1:08:11StuartUm, you know, yeah. Shout out to like Jay, Jay Fonkeys, uh, from, um, We've got a lot of great people here. We've got a lot of great people here. We've got a lot of great people here. We've got a lot of great people here.

1:08:40BubblemanAdam Dizzle, Nick, Skully Vibes, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm, Storm,

1:09:05BubblemanLike, you know, and they don't even know why they're doing it. It's very natural, you know, like I always look for what I call the eyebrow raise. I want to see those eyebrows go up a little bit. And that was really what I used to call pulling the 73 micron bag. You know, when I first started showing people water hash, and I'd pull the 73 bag, because there was only like a couple bags, like three bags, and go from a 220, and then the first real bag you'd pull was like a 73.

1:09:35BubblemanAnd I'd pull that 73, and there'd just be a log of 190 and 160 and everything else mixed in with it, but it looked incredible. And people just couldn't wrap their heads around it, that you could get that much resin off of that small of amount of a plant in that easy of a process. You know, when you find out, it's been around for so long. When I discovered water extraction and I really started thinking about it, like almost on a philosophical level.

1:10:05BubblemanAnd it even was more so when Skunk Man Sam showed me how to do the static tech in his apartment in Amsterdam. When he showed me that, that was a secondary one where I was like, Holy fuck. There are protected secrets in this world that if you knew them, they would change your life. They would change. And I'm quite certain those exist in so many different levels in regards to energy and how we access energy.

1:10:35BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

1:11:01BubblemanI was close and D420K got even closer and then me's and some others, you know, because this is how it happened. Sam asked me not to share the process because so many people had monetized everything that he had done. And at the time when he finally showed me, I don't think he was just ready for the world to see it. And I respected that. So I was using a card and I was.

1:11:24BubblemanAnd he was kind of like...

1:11:57BubblemanJohn taught me empathy because you know sometimes I can just be a little harsh and a little you know so he comes over I crush him he's like thinks his sift's nice and I'm like dude that's basically like pulled out of the toilet and uh we card together for 45 minutes and the one beautiful thing about John is John can accept I love that about John and I've also learned that from John in my own way because there's nobody that's above.

1:12:34BubblemanWe'll see you next time.

1:12:52BubblemanYeah, I'm going to show everyone how I got mites and mildew and fucking how I fucked this up and fuck that up. And, you know, people relate to that, dude. You don't have to go on the Internet, pretend you're fucking perfect Instagram influencer and everything's great. In the meantime, you're fucking suicidal. You know, be authentic. And Johnny B is absolutely fucking authentic. Now, where was I going with this?

1:13:15BubblemanI don't know. Remind me, Caleb. What was when? Why did I bring this up?

1:13:21SpeakerI'm not sure. I remember talking about Legends of Hashish. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. Yeah, going to Lebanon.

1:13:31BubblemanI brought up Johnny B for a very specific reason. It'll come back to me. I'm very dabbed out. Johnny B is a real one.

1:13:41StuartFor teaching and showing his mistakes and, you know.

1:13:44BubblemanIt was right before that. The point was right before that. But yes, that is also a very good point. I was talking about him teaching me.

1:13:51StuartThat's important.

1:13:53BubblemanYeah, yeah, it is very important. But yeah, we'll get back to that one. Shout out to Johnny B. Puff Puff Pass. That last dab of the blue sushi was really good. I don't know if I told this story already. I probably did, but I'm going to again. Then maybe I'll share that Johnny B. dry sift video, and that will probably bring it around full circle to what I was talking about.

1:14:17BubblemanOkay, so not the... Just the ones with the yellow stickers. So I'm on Whistler Mountain. I'm at the top of Cap Skinner. On Blackholm, sorry, I'm not on Whistler. I'm on the top of Blackholm Mountain next to Whistler Mountain. And I hear, Mark, Mark, are you leaving? And I'm with my wife and my son. And we're about to drop in to snowboard down to our vehicle and bounce for the day.

1:14:43BubblemanAnd this is my buddy Devin. And I guess I lent Devin a rosin press like a year ago. I totally spaced it. It was like one of those Helix Pros from Pure Pressure. It's like a eight ton or something. I don't know, 10 ton, whatever. So he'd been, you know, he'd been grown outdoors and making hash. And I guess it took him a couple of times, you know, the first time didn't work out as well.

1:15:06BubblemanWell, this was now after the second time. And he gave me all these jars. And I will be honest, like every single one of them, like packed or anything, I think you put a gram in each one or something. But every single one of them looked, you know, on the lines of something like that. They were all like very beautifully colored. Some were super greasy, some were a little drier.

1:15:30BubblemanI personally love dry rosin. It's easy for me to roll up with my fingers and just throw into bangers and into like Puffco's and stuff, especially when I'm traveling. But he gave me six of these fucking jars on the top of Black Hole Mountain next to Cat Skinner. I just thought that's got to be the best place in the world to give someone jars like, Mark, Mark, is that you?

1:15:51BubblemanHey, Mark. And then he just gives me jars. And then my son, my 11 year old son is like, He's like, what's that, dad? And I'm like, oh, this is like rosin. You know, this is Devin's work. He grew the plants. He made the hash. And now he's he's like, wow, that's cool. And my wife looks at me and she's like, only you, only you are getting given jars on the top of Blackcomb Mountain.

1:16:13BubblemanShe's like, I guarantee you. No one else today was given jars like that, you know, like, because you guys know what Devin had to go through. Okay, Devin is an, he's an amazing friend of mine. If you ever come to Whistler and you want to snowboard, he knows the mountain like the back of his hand. He was snowboarding on that mountain at like 20 years old, him and his brother, Ethan, and his other brother, Ryan, the Bagley brothers.

1:16:37BubblemanThese motherfuckers will get 192 days a season on Whistler Mountain. So first of all, that is absolutely psychotic. They're so hardcore, they would hike up the top of Whistler Mountain the day before it opens and they would sleep in the cabin on the top of Peak Mountain, the lifties cabin up there at the top of Peak of the of the run. And so they would climb up the mountain just to give you an idea.

1:17:07BubblemanIt's a five and a half hour hike through snow to get to the top of the peak mountain. And then they'd come down while everyone was standing in line. They would all watch these guys cutting like fresh lines. So. 192 days a year, every day, they'd break bones and they'd still ride. Oh, I broke my collarbone. Don't worry, I'm still riding. Oh, I fucked up my knee, but I got some special brace so I can still at least get a couple of runs out.

1:17:33BubblemanThey would have to go to the momentum ski camp at the end of the season and get those 12 days because there was only 180 days available in the season. And so they were just really wild guys. Dev got into, you know, black... Legal growing, kind of got involved with some legal grows, had some difficulty, did his own, you know, some of his other own, help people with outdoors.

1:17:55BubblemanBut now he's involved with a really good group. They're finally growing really good flower. They made really good hash. And he wants my opinion. And I'm like, dude, I've smoked every one of these and they're all absolutely wonderful. I can't even tell you the pride that I'm beaming with for when I see someone take up this journey, I always feel their pain because if you give up because of the pain, you don't get to the reward, which I'm pretty sure translates to almost anything that you do in life.

1:18:28BubblemanBut if you push through, And you get the revelations and the epiphanies. It is an absolute joy to come out the other side. And it's only like that because of the time that you spend in that pressurized tube of like not being where you want to be. So think about that. Think about that. Yeah, I want to shout out Thomas from Grandmaster LED. I had a great week with him and Jeremy at the Grandmaster LED booth.

1:19:01BubblemanWe met so many cool growers that came in. Thomas has been doing a YouTube channel for a very long time, Grandmaster level. He had

1:19:14BubblemanAnd so it was really nice to be at his booth and see so many people come up that have watched his videos, you know, that have really been paying attention to this guy's videos. And he's that guy that just wants you to grow better weed. You know, and figure out a way where he can affect it beyond knowledge. So the lights that he has produced are just like, I was laughing at them.

1:19:41BubblemanI don't, my sales pitch for his lights is I go, this guy's a total fucking psychopath. He's completely over-engineered his fucking lights. It's his one light has 6,900 diodes. Like if you grow indoors and you're not growing with Grandmaster LEDs, You're just insane. And even Thomas is like, how do I convince people that paying the same amount of money for this? And then he's got a big backdrop that shows basically the spectrum that 90% of the LED companies sell.

1:20:13BubblemanAnd then he's got another thing next to it that's literally like 12 feet by 10 feet. And it's 60 spectrums, which are the spectrums that are in the light he's selling for basically the same price as the light that has a single spectrum. And I was just like, yeah, that's a weird trip to not really realize that like, you don't have to change anything else in your room, Stuart.

1:20:39BubblemanAnd you can change the entirety of the plant, the volatile organic profile, the structure, the color, the cannabinoid expression. I've never seen anything like it. Now, I will say that

1:20:54BubblemanIt can get to a level where the light becomes an F1 car. And you just can't give the car keys to anyone to an F1 car because they'll smash it into a wall and die. And so that's what they would do to their garden. So he simplified it and he made one with like 12 and You know, the one I have has 500 spectrums. That's the F1 car.

1:21:15BubblemanSure, you could discover and figure things out the same way you're searching genetics right now, Stuart. I want you to start thinking about searching spectrums. And not only like in a real black and white way, I want you to go into the gray and understand that when you're searching for your spectrum, what you're actually searching for is a spectrum recipe from blue in the morning To the far red 730 nanometer that closes the stomata of the plant up much quicker, which is what we call magic hour in the sun.

1:21:48BubblemanWhen the sun goes down and you get that orangey hue, 730 nanometers telling all the stomatas to close up for the evening. You save a lot of time in that. The blue, keeping your plants down. Maybe some canopy is off. You turn the red on on that one and you get a little bit of stretch to even out the canopy. All these different ways that you can learn about plants.

1:22:11BubblemanLet's say manipulating, but guiding, guiding the plant with a spectrum the same way the terroir does. Yes, it's complicated. Yes, it's crazy. But you're fucking nerding out on this shit as deep as anyone could possibly nerd out on this shit already. Do you like the idea?

1:22:27StuartOh, yeah. No, I mean, it's that's where, you know, also just to speak to like I'm at 9000 feet here. So the sun. It was incredible. I put out my plants every year in my greenhouse, and it's kind of my own special way to regen. So UV, all these things are key that, you know, any way that you can mimic. And just like you're saying, there's target parts of the spectrum, you know, that predispose certain aspects of growth, whether that's stretch or increasing, you know, Uh, getting different levels of blue light.

1:23:00StuartI mean, we just saw this from like the old days, especially of like HPS and like the super blue metal halides and ceramics. You know, when I had some of the UV, you'd see, you know, a huge difference of the structure of the plants, the amount of resin and terpene production. That's why we used to like to flower under 315 or 630 ceramic metal halides, or at least integrate that in.

1:23:25StuartSo again, we're learning so much with the LEDs. And I agree, a lot of times they are driving with F1s. Because if everything isn't in line, you can't push LEDs. I mean, I had to completely change a lot of aspects and, you know, your environment has to be perfect to be able to really push high PPFD. And then again, you want to be doing that at certain times with certain spectrums and target, you know, the plant to be able to, and again, different genetics are going to offer different pathways of, you know, a pure Afghan and something like our Bubba and then something like the sour.

1:24:01Stuartare going to be two completely different optimal pathways too as far as light is concerned. These are the same cuts.

1:24:09BubblemanSame cuts, same room, same feeding schedule, same everything except a different spectrum coming out of the light.

1:24:20StuartExactly, different anthocyanin production and, you know, Yeah, the sunrise, sunset, detox cycles, like all these things are... I know it's the tip of the iceberg.

1:24:32BubblemanAnd again, UV, exactly, dude. It's, you know, it's fun working with Thomas because he never stops thinking about this shit, like ever. So he'll like design his light. He'll be like, okay, this is perfect. And then he'll be like, dude, I just had like a revelation, like a dream the other night. Like I... We have to change everything. And so he's just his his obsession with making things better is so driven by wanting everyone to do better and not I need to make millions of dollars.

1:25:03BubblemanLike it's to the point of almost like he's almost like sick. Do you know what I mean? Like the guy, the guy is just like, he won't stop. And for me, I just get to benefit because I grab a couple of lights, I throw them in a tent, and then I get to play around and see how these, and get an understanding of light spectrums because it is a deep rabbit hole that, you know, I always want to get more into it, but the audience is never really prepared for that conversation.

1:25:36BubblemanWhen you get all the light sort of folks involved, Lights are like seeds. Lights are like, there's just, there's certain aspects, seed and lights in particular, where There's so many bad seeds and there's so many bad lights. There's so many seedy seed sellers and there's so many seedy light sellers. So it's this real cesspool to fuck around in. And you know what the nature guy, the nature of things, David Suzuki said, I met him years ago at a talk and he was saying that when he started his TV show, The Nature of Things, his Nature of Things show was kind of like a version of like, You know, not, not David Attenborough's Earth, but sort of a similar David Attenborough guy is a Japanese dude, David Suzuki's fucking, you know, he's an environmentalist, pretty, pretty cool dude back in the day.

1:26:28BubblemanAnd just kind of talking, he was the Canadian version of like our Earth series, like, and so he said, while he was talking, you know, when I started The Nature of Things, I was going to be a shining diamond. And what I quickly learned is that when you throw a diamond into a cesspool, It does quickly take on the appearance of everything else that's in the cesspool.

1:26:54BubblemanAnd that's what I was kind of talking about at NECAN, being in a booth and looking like everyone else. And yeah, we can talk and we can explain things and people are like, wow, you guys really know what you're talking about. And I'm like, you know what, dude, I bet you if you go to that other light company, they got a guy there that knows what he's talking about and he can impress you with his words and he can make you.

1:27:12BubblemanSo it's like, it becomes this difficult thing where like, how People decipher what's real and what's complete and total bullshit. I just wish the world was like unbelievably transparent where we were like, yeah, like our lights are super cheap and they're garbage and they're just going to like probably die eventually, but they're super cheap. And then people could be like, you know what? I'm going to go for that.

1:27:33BubblemanThat seems reasonable. And then we would be like, our lights are super expensive, but they're basically going to outlive you and they're going to fucking, you're going to get like four and a half pounds per light. And then people might be like, you know what? I'm gonna pay for those. I just wish for a day because I also find this. The best salespeople are sociopaths, which means they're tricking you into buying the thing they're buying.

1:27:56BubblemanYou're buying not necessarily. And then so that's another cesspool of like, how do you turn someone on to knowledge and information without sounding like a commercial or without sounding like the rest or looking like the rest of the cesspool? So this is the dichotomy that I found myself. You know, Thomas, once again, what a cool guy. I had all my jars out the entire time. No one else at that event did I see puffing at their table.

1:28:23BubblemanWe were smashing dabs the entire time. Not once did Thomas come over to me and be like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Like, like, come on, like we gotta, you know, so I appreciate the realness of Thomas Gibson and the Grandmaster LEDs. And it was a really fun trip. Definitely look forward to going back to Boston in the near future. Shout out to Colin, Vessel Life Sciences, who was a great host.

1:28:46BubblemanHe brought me all my Puffcos and he gave me my first jar when I was there. We went out for lots of good dinners. He introduced me to this guy, Brett, who I like to call Brett Maniac. Had an absolute beautiful dinner with him and this guy, Ryan, a grower in New York, and myself. And Colin was there. Oh, this professional baseball, retired baseball player, Adam Russell was there.

1:29:11BubblemanJust really good conversation. Really good people. Yeah, it was a good event. Boston is beautiful. You know, going down by into the North End and the harbor, the wharf there is really nice. Shout out to Max and Tony. I saw Tony Verzura. Took us out for dinner at Max's restaurant, this guy called Catch of the Day, right on the wharf, lobster and shrimp and pasta, blast squid ink pastas, like just delicious, delicious food, delicious dabs, good times.

1:29:44BubblemanUm, Aaron Wiggins, Aaron Wiggins, Aaron Wiggins,

1:30:03BubblemanI want to get to Maine next time. I missed Brian from Best Friend Farms. He came down and we never linked up, unfortunately. So sorry about that, Brian. Hopefully we see you today. I did send him the link. I don't want to forget to shout out to anyone else, but I will say that the two guys. There was a guy who was extremely helpful. He ended up giving me Q-tips at one point in time.

1:30:25BubblemanHe got me some roaches. I want to shout out these two homies. And I told them when I took the picture, I'm going to put that picture on Hash Church. These two dudes are from Bostica. Okay. It's like a grow or a dispensary. Sorry if I'm getting that wrong. But yeah, shout out to you, homies, dude. You guys were good dudes.

1:30:49BubblemanYeah, there was a lot of great people there, I gotta say.

1:30:52StuartYou should try to come out to Maine in, I think it's August 21st, 22nd for Culture Cup. I think that's, I've never been out to Maine. We're planning on going up there.

1:31:04BubblemanWill that be in like Portland or?

1:31:07StuartI'm not 100% sure, but I think you fly into Portland, it's pretty close. They do it pretty close to the airport there. But yeah, that'll be the first time I make my way up there. But obviously, you know, we're going to also be vending seeds and stuff too. So yeah, that should be a cool, cool scene. That's one of the coolest gatherings and cups and in the scene for sure.

1:31:35BubblemanMaybe a good one for me to find my main Bubble Man brand partners.

1:31:41BubblemanMaybe a good one for that. I'll have to check it out. Yeah, lots of travel. Next week is Michigan. I'm super stoked to go see Papa Sift, my hash maker. I'm going to be in the lab with him for the first time. We're going to be busting out a bunch of traditional hash and bubble hash and rosin and hash hits. And I'm going to go there and make some pure hash joints for them.

1:32:00BubblemanI'm going to meet my sales team at Yield Distro and drive around the state and go meet people and fucking, yeah, it's just going to be good, man. Give away a bunch of products, smoke a bunch of hash. And Bounce from Michigan, not even come home and go right to the reserve in Denver. So hopefully we have a bunch of good sessions there. Stu, you and Jack are welcome to come by any time there.

1:32:22BubblemanAnd yeah, we'll have to figure it out with... I'm going to talk to Kyle about potentially building a couple, like a room somewhere with even if the room just had like two or three beds. I love the idea of offering a place to our brethren that are coming in from maybe an hour to two hours away, you know, and then maybe the night gets late and it's like, you know, one in the morning and you don't want to drive.

1:32:46BubblemanIt's like, you know what? Mountains, snow, like just fucking stay overnight type of thing. So we'll see how that goes. Talking to him about that. He seems pretty reasonable about everything. He just wants to make the reserve awesome. Every day it gets awesomer. I don't know if you saw they put the Chris Dyer up that Adam Dunn, shout out to Adam Dunn. I want to have Adam Dunn on the show here soon.

1:33:10BubblemanI want to do a deep dive interview with Adam Dunn. I think he's got the best stories in the biz. He's been around longer than I have. He linked up with Dave and those guys super early, but there's the Chris Dyer that we put up at the... Like, is that not insane? Look at that.

1:33:29SpeakerThat's beautiful.

1:33:30BubblemanWhat the fuck, dude? It's 16 feet long and 8 feet tall. Just to give you an idea, like, there's an ad in front of it. There's an ad. Yeah, yeah, it's a boombox. Whoa, dude.

1:33:45SpeakerShout out to the press club.

1:33:49BubblemanI love that little thing. Yeah, Adam is the man. What's up, Dread Smokes Weed? There's my, one of my partners, awesome grower in Illinois with Redemption Botanicals. Shout out to those guys. I feel like they just like won something recently. Maybe you could mention that, Dread. I saw you guys pull like a third or a second or something. Dread grows phenomenal weed. Have you met Dread, Stuart?

1:34:12StuartI don't think so. What is the brand?

1:34:15BubblemanWe got to make that. It's Redemption's Botanical, but Dread is beyond that. He was growing for DNA back in the day. He was growing for Ernie and Tony at River Rock in Colorado. I think he worked maybe with Scott. He'd be able to say better than I, but he's a really good grower. Yeah, the Billies. I knew it. It was the Billies. Yeah, they won third at the Billies for Redemption Botanicals.

1:34:41BubblemanSo shout out to those guys. My partners were hoping on releasing some traditional hash in Illinois. This summer. So we'll see if that I know we've got hash hits coming soon. And hopefully eventually we'll put a few jars of melt and a few jars of rosin. I'd love to put my name on dreads work at the highest level. Obviously, that's a great Billy's win, dude. Yeah, definitely.

1:35:03BubblemanCongratulations to the whole team over there. Good for you guys. Yes, exactly. You did work with Scott.

1:35:29BubblemanI never know how how many people how far people go back. Bought a print from Chris Dyer off eBay in 2004. Super cool seeing how much he's blown up. Yeah, that's that is true. Dank Huffer. So much cool things going on. Oh, there's Katie. There's Katie. I'll see Katie when I'm at the reserve. She's good friend of Adam's and Kyle's. She's always at the reserve as well.

1:35:50BubblemanShe's awesome. Yeah, B-Man, Redemption, Hash. I like the sound of that. I'm just reading the chat right now. I kind of have been ignoring them for the last hour or so.

1:36:04BubblemanAh, Boro Josh, we're getting old, brother. When I see pictures of myself, I feel super young, like 25 or whatever. But when I see pictures of myself, my hair looks silver, especially if there's like a flash or something. I'll be like, my hair's not silver. It looks black or brown, doesn't it? Then like a flash will happen and my whole head will look silver and I'll be like, God damn!

1:36:27BubblemanGetting old is trippy because really, when you say like you're looking older, really what that is, if you break it down, is it's degradation. It's like, oh wow, you're getting closer to death. You know, like you see like really old people and it's like, holy shit, like you are melting. You are basically melting. And that's what's happening. It's an interesting thing. You get out of your 30s and 40s, you get into your 50s, and you absolutely just start melting.

1:36:56BubblemanI'm here for it. I want to melt into my hundreds. I want fucking technology to keep me alive till I'm 150. I'll just be fucking in a simulation making hash. Goddamn, this hash smells so good. Imagine if every time we create a new simulation, everything gets better. You know, I talk about this all the time because someone in Boston was telling me that we were in a simulation and I said, OK, so if we're in a simulation and we're currently trying to create like the Oculus, right?

1:37:25BubblemanThe AI. So we're trying to create this other simulation while we're in a simulation. I asked them, how far back do you think it goes? Like how many times have we done this fractal of creating the simulation? Like, are there millions of them? Are there dozens? Is it thousands? Because that is a philosophical question that melts my head more than my eternally aging body. 28 here and feeling old as fuck.

1:37:52BubblemanDude, skate, skate already. Let me tell you, you are not old. You shouldn't feel old. You should start like moving and making sure that you, that you don't feel old. I'm 53. I feel fucking great. I feel great. Very little pain in my body. Happy to work. Happy to lift. Happy to... Like, if I'm at your house and you're like, hey, man, do you mind moving a couch?

1:38:15BubblemanI will be the last motherfucker to go, oh, actually, I got this knee thing going on, actually. I don't, you know, or my... Or it's my shoulder. I got a shoulder thing. I just, I don't know what it is, but I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm the first guy that will move all your shit with you. We got to spend eight hours doing it.

1:38:32BubblemanLet's fucking do it. 750 pounds. No problem, dude. We'll hand buck that shit. Um, I did it at the event. We pulled up on the event. We had 19 boxes full of fucking LED lights and like it was 750 pounds. And in Boston, there's a very strong control from the Teamsters Union. And so anything that goes in off the loading dock, but into the front door, anything that goes in there, So we had these giant things and me and my partners roll up and they're like, no, you can't come in.

1:39:14BubblemanAnd I was just like, fuck it, let's carry them. And these guys looked at me like I was, they were just like, what are you talking about? I said, we'll just carry them, dude. It's just, we'll walk through, we'll get on the elevator, we'll go and then we'll walk around to the booth and They were just like, I don't want to. It's like, no problem. I'll do it.

1:39:31BubblemanJust started bucking, you know, 750 pound of boxes. I did cheat when I got up to the second floor because there were chairs everywhere stacked on wheels. So I took all the chairs off one of the wheels and turned it into a dolly and loaded it up with boxes.

1:39:47SpeakerHow's it going, Edgar? Yo, what up, Marcus? How you doing, brother?

1:39:50BubblemanAh, fuck. I'm doing pretty good, dude. I just got back from Boston. You ever been out there?

1:39:55SpeakerYeah, I've been to the Boston Freedom Rally one time, and then I went to NECAN one time too.

1:40:00BubblemanI feel like you would get along with people from Boston too. Do you like people from Boston?

1:40:05SpeakerI don't, not like them, like a... I like their, the fucking dunking, you know, type of attitude, you know?

1:40:10BubblemanThat's what I'm saying, dude. That's what I'm saying.

1:40:13SpeakerYeah, they call it like it is type of guys, you know?

1:40:17BubblemanDude, I love that shit. Listen, the ones I enjoyed the most were the Teamsters setting up all the, on the day of setup with the booths and the carpets and stuff. I could have listened to those guys for hours. Just like, just basically, you know, like dudes to, okay, yeah, move the carpet over there. I didn't get it. I was just like, these guys are fun. I just want to fucking hang out with these guys.

1:40:39BubblemanAnd not like I'm laughing at you way. I'm just like, I'm enamored by the accent. And the more you travel away, my buddy was telling me you can get into zones where the accent is absolutely fucking phenomenal. So I've always appreciated accents. I haven't been to Boston for 32 years. And the last time I went, I was really just driving through from UMass to Bangor, Maine to see from one fish show to another.

1:41:06BubblemanI was just on tour. It was 94. It was a very long time ago.

1:41:09SpeakerI was two years old. Crazy. That's a while back. Two years old? I was two in 94. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:41:18BubblemanShit, 92, hey?

1:41:21SpeakerYeah.

1:41:22BubblemanThat's what's up, dude. You were two, you were fucking sucking on your mom's teats, and I was fucking tripping bombs.

1:41:29Speaker100%.

1:41:32BubblemanWell, that's what's cool about life, man. There's always, there's just tons of people who have done everything that we're doing kind of before we did it.

1:41:39Speaker100%.

1:41:41BubblemanWe're definitely living in a fractal. Everyone wants to call it a simulation. I think it's a fractal. Self-consuming fractal. You're puffing on today.

1:41:52SpeakerI went to an event yesterday and I ran into Bobby Trill. He gave me some New York City haze. It smells like piff, you know, Cuban black type strains. Oh, shit. Like incense myrrh. And then I went to Surge Cannabis yesterday and I did a pollination at a spot and he gave me one of his collabs he did with trichrome tortoise and it's the pineapple cooler. Dude!

1:42:16SpeakerThat one smells real nice.

1:42:17BubblemanJust pulling out the fire!

1:42:22SpeakerI always joke, all my best friends are the best hash makers. You know, I always joke. Yeah.

1:42:26BubblemanYeah. It's not really a joke, actually. It's kind of a statement. No doubt. I feel you. I feel you. I'm happy with that. You know, we all do our thing to affect, you know, how we can affect that community to, you know, raising the bar and finding that next level, whatever that is. I'm convinced at this point, we really need to figure out

1:42:55BubblemanReading for specific novel terpenes and volatile organic compounds because the phenol stumbling is amazing. We've got all the best shit that we've got. And it's like unbelievable. I just want to see a second pathway of figuring out some very specific, simple, not overly complicated, like fucking you got to have $2 million. But ways to access those genes where you really deep dive. I mean, it might even be as simple around the corner as these genomic labs and just giving little bits of tissue to genomic labs and them just running it and finding the gene synthase for a novel terpene or cannabinoid and then boom.

1:43:36BubblemanImagine as a breeder, Edgar, being able to order material based on specific things that you're looking for. Like a volatile organic compound. You're like, I'm really looking for this flavor. It's like, well, the genome has spit out these 42 that all contain the gene synthase. 31 of them are switched on. So those will probably be easier to breed in. And then just because I don't pretend to understand it.

1:44:01BubblemanI'm not a dummy, but I'm not a fucking... Geneticist, breeder, whatever you want to call it. I'm not even a pollen chucker. I've really never engaged in creating life out of cannabis. I appreciate it on all levels, like absolutely from the like, you know, bag seed, bag seed back in the day, the idea of like the lottery seed that you get out of the bag and every chem 91.

1:44:28BubblemanAnd you look at all the stories of the bag seed legends that, um,

1:44:34StuartClearly, that's most of the legends are from bag seed.

1:44:40BubblemanBecause nobody was doing anything different. Of course, that's where they came from. What I'm saying is, is there a way for us to change it ever so slightly to increase our probability? You know what I mean?

1:44:55StuartYeah, I mean, it's tough because none of the varieties are really breed true. And you really have to test and do test crosses and see how things Interbreed together, especially to get target traits like, you know, terpenylene, for example, doesn't generally wash that gene pool. And whether that's the nature of just the terpene or the nature of the structure of the trichome, it's like, you know, again, there's a, it's hard.

1:45:22StuartWe got to study more and try to isolate these different traits. And again, we still can do like And it's important to try to do true breeding lines and to embrace your own parentage so you can actually like make true F1s. But I think part of the amazing part of our genome is like the randomness that exists in cannabis. I'm sure Edgar can speak to this too because like I actually think it's cool that it's You know, I think people should pollen chuck because like the more infinite variables that are out there and crosses just gives us more options to look through as opposed to killing things off.

1:46:01StuartThat's why it is important sometimes to just do open pollinations and to not kill off even males that you think are weak because they could, you know, pass on and same with females. It could pass on other traits that we're not sure of and we need to maintain diversity. And then there's actual goal breeding. You know, and directive trade breeding, which is what you're talking about. So it's like really breeding is there's two important aspects, opening up and preserving the genome and then also like isolating things down, but not at the hindrance of like diversity.

1:46:35StuartAnd that's the trick. You got to you got to kind of do both simultaneously.

1:46:39SpeakerAnd I think part of the diversity is that everyone does it different too, right? Like you got the dude that hyper focuses on sours, you know, I only breed with sours or things that are close to that. And then you got my crazy ass doing anything and everything, you know, and then you got this hashers, you know, so like that, that, that's why I think people get caught up like, Oh, like, Thank you for watching.

1:47:17BubblemanI just think there's so many different ways to do it. And I think that the breed there's like you said, everything's going on all at once. And there's nothing wrong with pollen chucking. I think that you can like pollen chucking is like making bubble. When I first started making bubble, I was using like two or three bags, you know, then maybe true breeding is using five or six bags where you can create a stable genetic for a large facility that's not going to like mutate and, you know, like There is something to be said for genetics and the strength and the stability of said genetics.

1:47:54BubblemanYou know, there's like, there's a reason why every other clonally produced plant on a mass scale, like Driscoll's, you think Driscoll's is fucking with like 4,000 different strawberry cultivars? I can promise you they aren't, yet they sell about 10 billion strawberry plantlets annually, just out of like a small...

1:48:19BubblemanI just think that there's tools available in breeding that don't involve being overly complicated that even the pollen chucker could acquire. And it would just be like learning a new freeze dryer tip. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:48:54BubblemanAnd I mean, personally, I fucking love what you do, Edgar. It's one of the reasons I invite you on Hash Church all the time. I'm not someone that thinks things need to be done a certain way. And because I know that things can be done almost any way. And plus, I love when people tell me I can't do something a certain way because then I'm absolutely going to fucking do it that way.

1:49:14SpeakerJust to show that person that I could.

1:49:16StuartBig shout out to Edgar for what he's done for the seed game. Honestly, making things accessible and showing that you can breed anything. Anywhere and to like, yeah.

1:49:26BubblemanDude, growing 20 footers in Compton is fucking insane. That is insane. This guy's got fucking chickens running around. I'm like, there's no way he's in Compton. Pulls back. I'm like, he is in Compton. I love it, dude.

1:49:41SpeakerShout out Miner's Mouth. Stuart's good. Good people. I seen Caleb at Free Seed Day. Shout out, Caleb. Good people, too, man.

1:49:48BubblemanYeah, that's all we want to do is just join, get together with some good people, smoke some bowls and some joints on a Sunday afternoon, even though it's not afternoon yet. It's 1047. It's pre-noon.

1:50:01StuartWhat projects are you working on, Edgar?

1:50:04SpeakerI just wrapped up. I wrapped up a Starburst F2 that I worked into F3, found a Mel and hit it to everything, you know. So I wrapped up that one and then I pivoted to a Trop F2 Mel. And then I did it. That's like my third time revisiting him. Did a quick one. And then I built this Honey Banana Talimon Starburst. And then I crossed that into OZK.

1:50:29SpeakerI got a Mel from that. I've been hitting it to a couple of things. And right now I'm depping like three beds and I'm thinking of doing a reversal. If I don't hit something maybe in the next three days with the spray, I'll probably just find a male to, you know, whatever organic male lines up for that pollination, whether it's a seed hunt or one of my clones of males that I got laying around, you know, so I'm thinking, uh, Of doing a reversal.

1:50:54SpeakerLike I got a lot of grails quote unquote right now. So I'm like, do I reverse Sherbert? Do I reverse lumpus headband? Like I'm, I'm, I'm kind of in a writer's block, you know, with my breeding right now. Cause, cause, uh, you know, I don't, I don't know what I want to, it's going to be a big bust from, from, from now to summer, close to summer.

1:51:15SpeakerSo I want to make sure it's a big bust of something that I want everyone to have, including myself, you know?

1:51:21StuartI'm with you. I'm kind of at a breeder's block too. I've been breeding with like the cowboy line for so long. And I'm like, finally, I think gonna, you know, move on to something else just because I've been working on that project for like five years. Yeah. But I just got an original pack so I can finally make F2s after spending like, you know, four years, you know, doing the BX3.

1:51:44StuartUm, so it's like, it's funny. It's like, I think I might do one last, uh, cowboy project, but, um, I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to work on next to probably, you know, maybe something with the Gary, like cowboy Gary or something. And then, uh, a different, yeah.

1:52:01SpeakerYeah. Gary Payton's good. Yeah. I did.

1:52:04StuartI was like, I've never bred with it.

1:52:06SpeakerI did a Wilson line too, recently too, just to revisit my old Mel. You know, I've had that Mel since like 2018 now. So I just revisited him real quick. But yeah, I'm at a writer's block, dude. I am right now.

1:52:19BubblemanWhy don't you go to Jamaica, collect some seeds from the Peter Tosh Memorial, smash those into whatever amazing haze you have, and you can name them after my son. You can call it the Tosh Haze. That's literally his name.

1:52:33SpeakerI got to get me some of those.

1:52:35BubblemanDude, I got to get me some of those.

1:52:38SpeakerI haven't grown any Jamaican stuff, to be honest. I've grown a lot of a lot of things, but I've never got like, oh, these are Jamaican. You know, I haven't got any Jamaican stuff. The lamb spread.

1:52:47BubblemanYeah, lamb spreads are hard to find, but they're out there. There's the odd dude still caring for them. Lamb spread really is like a name for sativa. We're going to get started in just a few minutes. We're going to get started.

1:53:24BubblemanI'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

1:53:48BubblemanAnd I'm like, dude, what's this? He's like, oh, that's my peanuts. And I'm like, well, what are what are you doing with this? He's like.

1:54:13BubblemanHe basically was explaining that it was his front and that if he was caught walking anywhere near this grow in the jungle, he would take them to the peanut grow and be like, I'm a peanut farmer. These are my peanuts. And so this guy was planting two acres of peanuts by hand, harvesting two acres of peanuts by hand as his front while he was growing 60 feet above that, that he had to climb everything up this rock.

1:54:40BubblemanAnd I'm telling you a wall. I climbed up it with Remo, the urban grower, and I thought he was going to fucking die. By the way, this guy's doing it with shoes that have no shoelaces and the tongues of his shoes are flipped out over the toe of his shoe. He's just climbing the fucking wall like Spider-Man. We get up there, there's 55 gallon barrels, there's fucking piping.

1:55:00BubblemanI'm like, bro, Remo's like, how the fuck did you get all of this up here? And he goes, on my head. Like he's climbing with a 55 gallon barrel drum. I said, you, I said, you climbed up here with a 55 barrel drum on your head. He goes, no, no. I put all three of them together and brought them all up at once. I'm like, Jamaicans are so fucking strong, Mace.

1:55:26BubblemanIt's absolutely insane. They do live a somewhat difficult life. And that difficulty absolutely creates strength and perseverance. It's weird if you live a soft life, how weak you become. And if you live like Cronix, the singer, he said in one of his songs, if you don't know hard life, you don't know life yet. It's a it's an amazing lyric. And it's like, yeah, dude, like I really appreciate the fact that I grew up with kind of nothing and a sort of pretty shitty, you know, murder capital city in the world, like just had to learn at a very young age how to navigate without without problems.

1:56:10BubblemanAnd I feel like I feel like you probably had that in Compton, Mace.

1:56:15SpeakerYeah, my dad would just be like, it builds character.

1:56:18BubblemanThat's exactly what my dad would say.

1:56:20SpeakerSomeone's going to get stabbed at this school. I don't want to come to this school. And he's like, you'll be fine. It builds character. And I'm just like, all right, dude. I don't want to ride this public transit. It builds character. Shit like that.

1:56:33BubblemanDude, my school was French Immersion, which was like, that is like a... That's just a place where kids would go to beat kids up. They were like, let's go to the French immersion school and beat those kids up. And the school that we had next to our school was like a hardened indigenous school. Like it was very like 40 years ago when like, It was just rough.

1:56:57BubblemanIt was very rough. It was like extreme poverty. It was in the north end of Winnipeg and it was almost all native. And so they were just like pent up and angry and they'd roll in, even just two or three of them, we'd see them roll into our, we had a huge, our school ground must've been like three or four acres. Thank you so much for joining us.

1:57:42BubblemanOh my God, dude. I'll never forget running from those fucking kids, dude. And trying to get let into the school. And that, and that, cause they'd lock the door. The nuns would like let us out and then lock the door. Like we couldn't get back in until it's like, holy shit.

1:57:56SpeakerThey were watching the whole time.

1:57:58BubblemanThey're like, they were like, it builds character.

1:58:00SpeakerAnd they were like, he's about to get a lot of character building on right now.

1:58:04BubblemanLook at the character getting built on that kid. Just fucking haymaker characters. Oh my God. Ah, Yeah, well, you know what? I didn't like growing up young, scared. I really didn't. It was not ideal. I mean, it went away eventually, but there was definitely, because I also took the city bus with my sister, obviously, like it was just the time. It's like, what else are you going to do?

1:58:29SpeakerI was the first dude dropped off. The last person, no, the first dude picked up. The last one dropped off on the bus. So I was like, picture first grade. You were there for all of it. Seven years old, like six in the morning, seven in the morning. Like, I got to catch the bus to make it to school. Like, what the fuck, bro?

1:58:45BubblemanWhat the fuck?

1:58:47SpeakerIt builds character. It builds character. It builds a whole lot of character, apparently. Fucking ridiculous.

1:58:54BubblemanYeah. And now you look at your kid, dude, and you're like, the last thing you'd want to do is you're like, you know what? I'm going to build my kid's character different.

1:59:02SpeakerVery much different. In a way that doesn't crush and destroy them. I told, I was talking to my son, I'm like, you see all the things I do? Like, I love my dad, but your dad, my dad, he did a little bit worse things, you know? You gotta clean up the next, whatever I do wrong, you gotta, you clean that one up, you know? And I'm like, just, you know, learn, learn, you know?

1:59:21SpeakerAnd he's like, he's 15 now, so, you know, he's got... He's got a little beard and he's becoming the little man of the house here and there. And I just got to ease up on them, you know?

1:59:31BubblemanYeah, yeah. It's tough, man. 15 to 20 is a tough time in a young man's life. And the thing that sort of our culture doesn't realize is that they need mentors and they need milestones. They need to have they can't just be cast out into the ocean. You know what I mean? Like what they really need. And I know not to sound like some fucking like. Crazy right wing fucking militants, but they need discipline and structure like in a big fucking way.

1:59:59BubblemanAnd what that looks like, it doesn't look like you're going into the army to, you know what I mean? But it does look like consistency. You know what I mean? Like one of the things that I find that really is hard with young people is they love to stay up all night and sleep all day. And that is the that is like the the destruction of discipline.

2:00:19BubblemanSo I got I got a 22 year old son and he's you know, he's a computer guy, loves the games and being on his computer. And for a while I was like, dude, you got to do more than that. That's when he got into the weightlifting and the eating and super healthy training. And now I can't even be mad at him because he's like way healthier than I am.

2:00:36BubblemanIt's like way bigger than I am. He's like his discipline is beyond what I have experienced. I was never that disciplined at 22. In fact, not even fucking close, dude. I was pretty much a raging maniac, like eating mushrooms and fucking, you know, driving my Volkswagen van down the highway on fucking three grams of mushrooms and totally not thinking it was like ignorant, a bad thing to do.

2:01:00SpeakerYeah, my son's not awake yet, but at his age, I was already smoking weed and trying to hang out at my buddy's house, you know? And he's like, I guess it's like when you grow up around it, it's not that cool, you know? So he sees his dad, a stoner, he's like, dude, I'm good, you know? I don't want to, you know? My son doesn't puff at all.

2:01:18SpeakerYeah.

2:01:20BubblemanMy youngest son seems to have the interest, though. He'll come in and be like, what's that one? I'll be like, oh, this one's the Talimon. Pulled a dab of Talimon out when you mentioned it. Hell yeah. I figured it was time. But yeah, what a trip, man. Having kids, such a beautiful thing. Making hash, growing weed. It's... Fuck, we, you know, I saw a comedian talking about it.

2:01:45BubblemanWe do live in a wonderful time. We live in an amazing time. I saw this comedian today was talking about how lucky we are. And he's like, and he's like, you know, most of us live like we're fucking spoiled princes from two years ago. You know, it's like, it's cold, it's too hot.

2:02:05BubblemanTo be colder. And then he's like, for my food, it's like, bring me just the limbs of chickens. And I want a hot peppery sauce from South America and cheese from, I'm just like, oh my God, we are, we're like, we're like Kings and Queens from 200 years ago with our fucking frappuccinos at Starbucks and our, we just, you know, it's good. If, if times get too soft, times get hard.

2:02:36BubblemanSo I think there's a balance of like, you know, keep a little bit of the hard life going so that life is, I'd rather a consistent life than this up and down of like, oh, I'm going to do so well that the next three generations of my family are going to suffer horribly from it. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:03:07BubblemanYou know, if Edgar or myself woke up with $100 million tomorrow, it would be hard not to spoil the fuck out of our kids. Like the fuck out of our kids. But 1,000% on my life guaranteed it would destroy them. Yeah, it would absolutely fucking destroy them.

2:03:26SpeakerAnd so we spoil our kids and we know like whenever they do lash out or like, you know, act out of pocket, it's because of because we spoil the shit out of, you know, exactly.

2:03:37BubblemanBut it's exactly it's crazy. Well, it is. It's both fun and it's both like, geez, how do you fucking like Prepare them for the world so they don't get consumed by the world. It's interesting how all of life is just really these like side quests. It's like we're in a Legends of Zelda game and it's like we're all just side questing like hash making and raising kids.

2:03:58BubblemanAnd I fucking love it, man.

2:04:01SpeakerIt's time for a fat dab. It's like, you know, not just randomly. I get deja vu sometimes like like I'll bend over. And I'll be like, I'll have, like before I had a seed company, like I'll have thoughts of the seed company back in the day. And it'd be like, like, oh, I just seen this thing, like at the table, like, and I, and I remembered it.

2:04:23SpeakerAnd it's just like, what the fuck? Like, that shit's weird. You know, like just little, little situations. Like I've seen Masonic things before Masonic was even a thing, like in my past life, you know, like. Deja Vu, you know, I'll get it. I had it recently and I couldn't explain it. I've been with my wife half my life now and I'll explain it to her. Like, damn, like, shit's weird, you know?

2:04:46SpeakerSuper weird. Some of the shit.

2:04:47BubblemanFucking weird. Two thirds of my life for me right now.

2:04:50SpeakerYeah.

2:04:51BubblemanI just had to think of that. I never thought of that before. That's fucking crazy, dude.

2:04:55SpeakerBeen with my wife half the life now. 33, I've been with her since we were like 15, you know?

2:04:59BubblemanYep, yep. My wife was 15 when I met her and we're 53 now.

2:05:04SpeakerBoof. There you go. Fuck yeah.

2:05:06BubblemanYeah.

2:05:06SpeakerIt's like my dad. What year were you born? 73. Yeah. My dad was born 70 and he's been with my mom since they were in high school. Yeah. That's what's up, dude.

2:05:14BubblemanI could have been puffing dabs with your dad.

2:05:16SpeakerYeah. My dad, my dad, he, he, he's, he's out here. He's, he, he bought a house in Mexico, so he's living over there right now.

2:05:23BubblemanOh, that's what's up. Whereabouts in Mexico?

2:05:25SpeakerJalisco.

2:05:26BubblemanJalisco.

2:05:27SpeakerYeah, it's like 45 minutes from Puerto Vallarta is the closest big town, yeah. It's really nice out there. My family's from there.

2:05:36BubblemanOh, that's what's up.

2:05:37SpeakerYeah.

2:05:37BubblemanThat's what's up. He's not just some like American dude going to buy a house in Mexico. He's like fucking buying his roots.

2:05:44SpeakerNah, we know everybody out there. You know, there's all our people. Dude, that's amazing. Yeah.

2:05:50BubblemanThat is amazing. There's something to be said for family and community. You know, it really is.

2:05:56SpeakerIt's important to me.

2:05:59BubblemanOh yeah, it's everything to me. It is literally everything. It's why I go to the shows. It's why, you know, I told my wife in a very, you know, like nothing is more important than my family. You know, sometimes, you know, she'll be like, oh, you're really putting a lot of attention into that. I'm like, yeah, but all of this is just for this.

2:06:16Speaker100%.

2:06:17BubblemanLike this is for this. This is why we do this, you know, and there's no real, there's no real doubting it. Someone just said Indra turned 80. Is he in the chat right now? Happy birthday. Survived my 80th birthday on the 22nd. Hope you're all doing well. Well, we got to tell Indra, happy birthday, dude.

2:06:37SpeakerHappy birthday.

2:06:38BubblemanLegend. You know, Indra, the guy that released the butane method on, on Euroid back in 99.

2:06:43SpeakerNah, bro. That's looking, that's dope.

2:06:46BubblemanHe used to, yeah, he was like, like, listen, you won't find a BHO guy before Indra.

2:06:50SpeakerHe's the dude.

2:06:52BubblemanAnd then because he's actually such a fucking conscious, awesome dude, then he'd start writing me and going, look, I, you know, I just, I've known about this. He's got like a gigantic butane extractor and he's got the gas metered in and it's like his recipe and he's, Not buying gas with mercaptan in it. And he's basically he was doing BHO at the highest level that it's ever been done at before anyone ever figured out to do it.

2:07:16BubblemanYou know, he used to put a bunch in a pen. He'd go to Amsterdam and he'd just take the body of a pen and stuff it full of weed and just blast a can and he'd make a couple of grams. And that was the first time I saw BHO at the Steve Dumach, the nose, a big haze guy in Amsterdam. He's got a little apartment next to the central station there.

2:07:35BubblemanAnd I was over at his house and he had this, It was the strongest shit I'd ever smoked at the time. It was like probably 97 or 98. And that's how I first heard the word Indra, John Davis, which Steve and John, I guess, have known each other for a very long time, maybe 50 years or something. And anyway, yeah, I smoked that shit. It was so strong.

2:07:54BubblemanI had no idea what it was. Then it came out. He released it literally like a month after I released the bubble bags for the first time ever. So I was kind of like, really, dude, like I couldn't even get like Two months of fucking sales in because... Butane fucking spread like wildfire, like pun intended. Like the bags were slow going because here's the thing about butane.

2:08:18BubblemanNo matter what you put in to the layman, you would get out a golden honey oil. With bubble, you could get like sand out that didn't stick together. You know, you didn't always get six star. The people that did get six star, they were solvent ones for life. They were just like, okay, I'm good. I found it. I've reached my goal. This is what I want. I'm golden.

2:08:39BubblemanBut that was like 1% of people and the 99% of people were like, fuck, what else? How can I make this better? And someone's like, so then he starts emailing me about, oh, yeah, I didn't realize that there were poisons that are oil soluble and accumulative in the body in the butane that's sold in the cans. So he's like, can you tell people? And I'm like, well, dude, I'm not the butane guy.

2:09:06BubblemanNobody's going to listen to me. And so I'd start sharing Indra's tips because he felt bad of what was happening to the community. So he wasn't trying to tell them not to do it, but he was kind of kind of being like the understanding of what's going on. Like, this is what's happening. And I became the most hated person in the butane community because of it. They're like fucking bubble man.

2:09:27BubblemanHe's biased. He just hate. I'm like, dude, it was actually Indra. Texting and emailing me, emailing me back then. This is before he came on Hash Church and just letting me know, research ethyl mercaptan. It's the material they put in that smells like rotten eggs because you can't move over.

2:09:44StuartIt gives it an aroma.

2:09:46BubblemanIt gives it an aroma. Exactly. So he started talking about that. And then also, you know, the explosions. He was like, you know, you got to do it in a very specific. He just had no idea when he shared it. And I think he would agree if he's still in chat. It weighed on him. Young people blowing up and tons of people inhaling like ethyl mercaptans. He didn't like it.

2:10:06BubblemanHe just wanted people to get really high. He wanted people to have access to really nice butane oil. But the problem is, is his machine is like out of like nobody can have that. It's, you know, the 2000 plus kgs. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:10:43BubblemanCockblock gatekeeper, like go and start talk. Hey, we should get rid of butane. No one should have access to it. It's like, holy shit. Doesn't mean I'm going to be smoking it and loving it, but I'm not. I'm not a dick. I'm not trying to keep people from enjoying what they enjoy. I think the better way for us to do is just inspire each other with the things we have.

2:11:05BubblemanAnd I've definitely done that over the years with with water hash. And geez, I wonder if I should smoke a joint.

2:11:13SpeakerThat looks like you're about to blast something.

2:11:17BubblemanThis is my blast, dude. No, it's like you can suck the oxygen. But doesn't that look like a blast? You hear that? It popped. It's got a little oxygen. Packing columns, dude. Yeah, exactly. Fuck, this smells super good.

2:11:32SpeakerSpeaking of butane, I want to try some good butane, BHO. It's been like since 2018 since I smoked some butane dabs, but I'm very open-minded to it. I'm not like, I'm not like, yo, I'm open-minded. Yo, Pepsi challenged me, bro. Like, put a jar in front of me.

2:11:48StuartWell, that's what Dougie's doing right now. There is a company in Oregon that puts out fire, at least when I was in Oregon, that like, Still to this day, I think back on and it was Echo Electuary and it was their road dog that was grown by like Benson Arbor Farms. And yeah, like I still remember that because it was properly done and it was there. They have a really nice extraction system and it was really good material and it was like an OG chem.

2:12:16StuartA variety that definitely wouldn't translate like that usually in rosin. I think now we're finding stuff that is loud for gas and carries through for rosin. It's taken a few years to sift through and find the ones like motor breath. You know, I have some sours that like really, you know, all the way through, they didn't lose any of that in the water.

2:12:40BubblemanSo what is that? So that's the thing you have to ask yourself, right? When Waterhash first came out, no one liked it. A, because nine out of ten people made sandy, shitty hash. But also, most of the cultivars at the time of water hash, like in the late 80s or late 90s, there was a ton of cultivars that didn't wash. They just weren't hash production cultivars. They just leached all their flavor into the water.

2:13:06BubblemanAnd then the hash itself, there was no translation whatsoever. So what I'm talking about when I say maybe there's tools we can bring into this breeding, what if there was a way for us to catch eyes on a particular gene synthase That was like if it was present or bred into a cultivar, regardless of what that cultivar was, it would suddenly start to wash. Do you know what I mean?

2:13:27StuartIt would be like the cuticle. If you could like dial in like the perfect trichome head cuticle that could protect any terpene and then you could remove it. But it's like I think that's almost how you'd be able to or where you'd want to focus, at least on the gene aspect. Um, you know, is focused on like literally the genes involved if the head, um, and then study more of whether, you know, it's terpene still leaching through the head.

2:13:55StuartWe don't quite understand that again, like terpenylene, like I struggle to find anything, uh, you know, that is terpenylene dominant that washes and that doesn't same with like things like lemon tree, limonene, I believe, or, uh, you know, is very, it's like you touch that resin and it's water. So it's so sensitive. Um, but Is that the nature of the head? Or is that, you know, the fingers of the cuticle?

2:14:21StuartOr I think, you know, it's probably a combination of both.

2:14:24BubblemanWell, I'll tell you whatever it is, it's connected to a gene synthase. Whatever it is, it's that's part of it's the coding. It's the back end coding of the plant. And so I want to catch eyes. I want to start using prosthetics like a genomics lab when it gets more affordable, where we can go in and look at, you know, the data is going to be incredible, but we'll have we'll be able to aggregate that data, find the things that we're looking for.

2:14:52BubblemanYou know, I mean, my God, who knows, maybe one day we'll be able to go ahead.

2:14:57StuartWe just need a collective of growers, breeders, and people that we can actually come up with, have a trusted lab to work with. Because obviously, phylos, that off-put quite a few people, myself included. My background is in molecular bio and everything. That's what I went to undergrad for at CU. So I wanted the importance of being able to understand the genomic sequence, and I want us to be able to sequence everything.

2:15:27StuartI've also seen us as growers and breeders be completely, you know, taken advantage of. But again, we need to band together more as a community between like different breeders and come up and be able to pull together our resources more and be able to protect ourselves so we can work with the lab to be able to do.

2:15:44BubblemanHow do you protect yourselves when here's the difference between the people who are protecting themselves? That's true breeding. That's where you spend millions of dollars. If you're selling seeds, Thank you so much for joining us.

2:16:16BubblemanDude, I'm in the same boat, but look at Skunk Man Sam.

2:16:20StuartI want to make them as accessible, and I don't think anybody owns these genetics. No, but I will say- Unless maybe you have some proprietary thing that you bred and-

2:16:29BubblemanWell, that's what we're getting into. Imagine now the difference between Edgar, Chuck, and some pollen. Sam opens up a pharmaceutical lab in Holland. He gets Dave Pate, the PhD chemist, and pays him probably 100,000 euros a year or something. I don't know. He's got Rob Clark working. He's got a whole team of people that work in the greenhouse. He's had to collect seeds from all around the world and bring them back to Holland.

2:16:53BubblemanNow he's going to start doing his breeding. He's going to spend millions of dollars breeding this cultivar. He's going to breed this incredible plant. You know, a lot of that was done prior when he did Skunk, but when he brought Skunk to Amsterdam, dude, all you had to do is if you had a seed and it was shitty, was cross it with Skunk and you had a new cultivar.

2:17:14BubblemanAnd that's what Amsterdam was. And so Sam watched that all happen. You know, he was... He loved the idea of the access, but I think he also loved the idea of like, it would kind of be cool if the work I put in was like four and a half years of my life and I spent millions of dollars, that there's a mechanism for me to protect this small thing.

2:17:37BubblemanSo I think both should exist. I'm very much on the fence in the sense that I love the idea of both existing. I don't want to create gatekeeping that would keep something That would otherwise not exist or from existing. Do you know what I mean? Because the gate, the gate is there. Now that's going to keep something amazing coming into play. That would suck for sure. But they're, they're both very different things.

2:18:03BubblemanCannabis is so fucking dichotomous, dude. It's like the recreational versus medical dash preventative aspect of cannabis. What other recreational product? So those are similar things, right? Like rec is like pollen chucking and like medical is maybe more like true breeding. Metaphorically, I'm not saying that they both can't. I don't think they fit, but I do really very much think they both have their place. It is unfortunate with what went down with Phylos.

2:18:37BubblemanI don't personally see, I still to this day don't understand how anyone lost anything with Phylos. I think they all felt lied to, but in reality, their realities didn't really change. No one stole their genetics. No one gained something that, no one took something that they don't have anymore. Like I don't see... I don't see how everyone lost. What I did see was how everyone reacted and then did this whole community thing, which will lead us into Masters of Rosen and Fidel and the fucking fisticuffs that went down over there, because I definitely want to talk about that as well.

2:19:13BubblemanWere you there for that, by the way?

2:19:15SpeakerNo, but I went to visit Serge the day after type shit. So, OK, he was one of the fighters.

2:19:22BubblemanWhere was that?

2:19:23SpeakerIt was in LA.

2:19:24BubblemanIt was in LA. Okay. I wasn't sure if that was in New York or LA. So yeah. Okay. That's funny. We had someone get punched out at Legends in LA one year.

2:19:36SpeakerYeah. I was there when that one happened. I turned around.

2:19:39BubblemanSo you know both people?

2:19:41SpeakerYeah, I know them pretty well.

2:19:42BubblemanI was there and homie.

2:19:44SpeakerShout out to Terry. I didn't want to. I didn't want to.

2:19:48BubblemanOh, I'm fucking thrilled. Yeah, dude. Hey, you fucking listen. A, bring your drama to my event and then get punched in the face. You're both. And listen, listen. Terry's a dear friend of mine. I fucking love Terry. Like, he's my homie. I love his madness. He's a truly mad scientist. And also, I get along with Professor Sift. I've puffed bowls with him. You know, so it is what it is.

2:20:13BubblemanHow you doing, Dr. Mark? Hey, Mark, how are you? I feel like I haven't seen you in a long time. Yeah, well, wait a second.

2:20:23SpeakerYou were in Boston? I was in Boston, actually. Boston, yeah.

2:20:27BubblemanI'm a couple of hours from Boston. I met some great people from Vermont, actually. Stowe, they invited me over there to snowboard on the mountains. Some other guys invited me. Verocious, voracious? I think they were from Vermont. Voracious. Okay. Zeph. Right on. Shout out to Zeph. He's had some of the best dabs I had while I was in Boston. Really nice dabs from Vermont and Maine.

2:20:52SpeakerI really, really... What were the Vermont brands? Do you remember?

2:20:56BubblemanI think it was Voracious or Voracious. Let me see if I have the picture because I feel like I took a picture. I always want to represent when I get good dabs and kind of, you know, like you don't want to be a... Is that it right there? It is that one.

2:21:12StuartHey, sorry guys. I got to head down the hill and go to this seed event. But it was great chatting with everybody and I hope to do it again soon. I'll see you next time here in Colorado, Marcus.

2:21:23BubblemanDude, I'm super looking forward to it, man.

2:21:25StuartLike I said, I want to make some hash. Absolutely. Well, you guys have a great weekend. Thanks again. Say hi to everyone for us. Will do. Peace, guys.

2:21:35BubblemanDude, damn. Look at fucking Mace. It's just like, yeah, I don't do the torch back and forth thing. I just do the double fucking torch. Just smash this thing up. He's got the slurper. Shout out to fucking JP and all the glass blowers. So was Brian there? Brian ended up showing up and we didn't link up. He showed up and he wanted to go to the, I guess there was like an award ceremony.

2:22:00BubblemanI didn't even know anything about this. Listen, I have, I suffer from what the old people call JOMO, right? I'm not a fear of missing out guy. I'm a joy of missing out guy. So the only thing I went to at that event, other than that event, was my homies through an event called Morning Melts. And it was like a brunch breakfast thing. Like they had some like tarts and this woman, Katie, put it all together.

2:22:28BubblemanAnd my buddy Andrew Berman and Michael and the whole chem was there. Chemdog was there. Oh, Chem was there? So you saw Greg? Yeah, I fucking hung out with him for a while. It was a very small little intimate hash maker group and fucking people were super tripped out because they were just like, Are you Bubble Man? Like, people don't expect me to be in the U.S. That's how Jeff was.

2:22:50BubblemanJeff's jaw was on the floor. He was like, he was like, dude, I'm like, I'm like looking at you from a distance. I'm like, is that Bubble Man? So this is Jeff Rosson, right? None of us, a lot of us have never met in person. So when you meet someone.

2:23:02SpeakerSo this is Jeff Rosson you're talking about, right?

2:23:04BubblemanJeff Rosson, yeah.

2:23:05SpeakerYeah, okay, so Jeff was on.

2:23:07BubblemanYour chemist friend that you brought on to.

2:23:09SpeakerHash Church, yeah, a couple episodes ago.

2:23:11BubblemanYeah, Jeff's a really good guy.

2:23:12SpeakerTotally. Yeah, so. Wow.

2:23:15BubblemanI walked around the corner and I saw him standing there.

2:23:18SpeakerDude, when you're coming to the East Coast, you've got to let me know. This was a terrible week for me because it was. Last week of our semester.

2:23:28BubblemanAnd you just did a bunch of events like you were just at like conferences and stuff. You were traveling. Were you not? Like we haven't been on church for a while.

2:23:36SpeakerThe reason why I'm not at Sphere at the Fish shows is because it's the last week of our semester and we just did our academic symposium and I was just with two of my students who were at our poster presentations and I had a student giving oral presentations. So now this is like an extremely important Thank you so much for being here.

2:24:26SpeakerAnd everything. But yeah. Hey, Marcus, I don't mean to correct you, but I got I got to say one thing. Every time you say gene synthase.

2:24:36BubblemanYes. Sorry.

2:24:37SpeakerYeah. So that's a slight misterm of the use. So the central paradigm of biology is that genetic information gets passed down through generations and that genetic information is encoded in the in the in the genes. Right. And so genes Code for synthases and right. So there's a certain gene or a set of genes that will code for, say, THCA synthase, right? Yeah. And so, yeah, you could now that they've identified the entire genome in the plant, they know what genes code for these things that are along the pathway.

2:25:14SpeakerSo I'm just saying just as a term of art, you don't really want to say gene synthase. You just want to say genes that code for a synthase. That's. OK, I got this from Sam.

2:25:26BubblemanSo, you know, Sam, he's just listening to scientists.

2:25:29SpeakerWell, he was the guy who used to call limonene limonene, right?

2:25:33BubblemanRight. But he was also the guy. He was also the guy that did more than any other guy. Oh, yeah. You got to give him that, too. Six, seven.

2:25:45SpeakerAs the young kids are saying these days. Yeah.

2:25:50BubblemanOh, so yeah, sorry we didn't meet up, dude. But like I said, it'll happen again soon. I'm going to go to Michigan. Yeah, well, next time you're in the, you know, so when are you in New York? You're going to be in New York soon? I don't know. I've been speaking with my New York partners, and it sounds like sooner than later, but next month is really, it's Michigan, Denver, and New Mexico.

2:26:11BubblemanThose are the three that I have.

2:26:12SpeakerWell, let's get you some Vermont partners right away. Again, I could introduce you to a trainer in that group. These guys are the best hash makers in the state. Yeah, yeah. So if you want to go with the highest quality hash in the state, that's who you want to go with.

2:26:25BubblemanYeah, go see these voracious guys, too.

2:26:27SpeakerHe had beautiful fucking resin. I don't know them. I'll have to connect with them for sure.

2:26:32BubblemanHere, I'll show you his resin because I took a picture of it when I was at my dinner. This was a picture under super low light. Like, just look at the sugar. On the edge of the jar. It's like fucking jam.

2:26:45SpeakerYeah, I like to scoop up the sugar.

2:26:47BubblemanOh, me too. Thank you for watching.

2:27:15SpeakerSo that's got to analyze for just no more than 65% or else they can't sell it. All right. I found it.

2:27:23BubblemanEdgar, you get a dabber like this, right? You see this dabber?

2:27:29SpeakerOkay, okay.

2:27:30BubblemanCheck out the sugar fucking paddle on the other end of it. Already? It's a silicone sugar paddle that just cleans jars out that you don't even know anything is in the jar. I'll get like a big fat dab. I can't tell you how many times like guavas and honey bananas and just those real stinky ones. It'll be like a black Myron jar and I'm like, oh, there's nothing left.

2:27:54BubblemanAnd then this little guy will be like, I bet you I can find some.

2:27:58SpeakerOn the Myron, there's like a lip. Yeah, that goes upward. And if you don't dig in there, like that's like one average size person dabbing there.

2:28:09BubblemanCheck this out. It's totally bends.

2:28:12SpeakerI need one of those. I need a bendy tool.

2:28:14BubblemanYou do. Once again, I've shouted this thing out so many times. Maybe I'll take a picture of it and try to find it for you. I always forget the name of the company. It's a simple dabber with a silicone sleeve and a little paddle on the end there. A little, you know, whatever you want to call it. But this thing is the ultimate for just cleaning out the last of the dabs.

2:28:36BubblemanOh, woe is me when we don't want to lose our dabs. This shit's too expensive to be like just throwing away invisible dabs on the edge.

2:28:47SpeakerYeah, especially when you're down to E, you start to regret all those big dabs you took and you're just like, yeah.

2:28:55BubblemanDude, I'm telling you, there was a time, and I swear to God, this time must have lasted. Sam's role was crazier than mine. His run was incredible. But I bet you I had like a 16-year run where I had multiple types of full melts, six star all the time, never ran out. 16 fucking years. This is why when people are like... How could you stop smoking joints?

2:29:20BubblemanI'm like, okay, bro, let me just try to wrap your head around this. Imagine I just give you all your favorite cultivars in six star full mount hash and you just have them all the time forever, like six or eight different varieties. Oh, I've still smoked joints. I'm like, I know you think that and maybe you would, but you can't say you would until you have the experience.

2:29:40BubblemanThat's the problem. You have to have it in your stack. You know how we all are. You got your jars. You can think you know what your favorite one is, but your favorite one in reality is the one that's fucking empty. The one that you keep going back to. People give me nice resin all the time and then it sits on my table and I don't smoke it and it turns into a skin and orange and later I'll see them and they'll be like, hey, how are those dabs?

2:30:02BubblemanAnd I'm like... You want the, like, the truth or you want the, like, you want me to crush your soul or you want me to just... And I always give it away. In my defense, I never throw resin away. When a resin gets too old, I have a lot of friends whose bars are set a lot lower than mine and they are so fucking grateful and appreciative to receive something like that that then I'll give the person their...

2:30:31BubblemanReview, you know, I'll be like, dude, I actually ended up sharing it with a friend and he fucking loved it. And that might not be exactly what they're looking for. But it's better than me saying, bro, I couldn't be bothered smoking your dabs. I let them fucking age on my desk and then gave them to my fucking tree works buddy who like they don't want to hear that shit.

2:30:48BubblemanThey don't want to hear that shit.

2:30:50SpeakerYeah, I'm the same way. I tell them, hey, if I don't get back to you, like, I'm not, I don't tell them that, but when they ask me again, it's like, if I tell you your resin's good, it's because it was good. If I didn't tell you nothing. You're going to have to ask me again, Nick, and I'm going to tell you it wasn't good. But I'm not going to tell you it wasn't good.

2:31:08SpeakerBut you have to be like, you know, give it to me. Give it to me honest. And I'll be like, yes or no. But I'm not going to tell you like, dude, that jar you gave me was bad. Like, nah, like, I'm gracious. You know, oh, you want to know? Yeah, you got a little work to do, bud. Like, I can help you with that. What do you need?

2:31:25SpeakerYou know, what are you doing? Like, let's fix this problem, you know?

2:31:28BubblemanYeah, I will send them over to the highest critic.

2:31:31SpeakerYeah, no doubt you're out of control. Caleb, you know, Caleb, I got a bunch of shit that like I brought because I have a freezer full of hash that, you know, from from stuff I didn't really like. And I just pulled out like a tray like this big yesterday because I had somebody, a buddy out of town. And like you were saying, they're like, oh, this one was good.

2:31:54SpeakerAnd I'm just like. Good, like somebody's enjoying it, you know? Yeah. Because I didn't. Those are... Send it to the lowest critic.

2:32:03StuartNo doubt, no doubt.

2:32:05BubblemanHey, this is the thing. This is subjective. Everyone enjoys different things at different times. And I think that when you learn how important setting is to a psychedelic experience, that you realize that setting is quite important. And okay, here's another example of setting, you know, like... The metaphoric setting of being really hungry and how much good food tastes even better when you're really hungry. If you can create atmospheres and environments, you can get more out of a high than you would in a different atmosphere and environment.

2:32:38BubblemanThe same flour, the same hash, the same whatever. It's all about sort of setting up that setting. And kind of that's what, you know, we try to do with Legends is create an environment where at least while you're dabbing there, That it's, that it's, you're enjoying those dabs more than you would in most any environment. That's what I'm trying to do with the next Legends of Hash.

2:32:59BubblemanI don't care who fucking wins. I don't care who loses. I feel like if we're, if you're at Legends, you already won. That's how it used to be at least. 100%. Ooh, fresh Calypso flower next month. You see that, Caleb? Jay Cash, fresh Calypso flower next month, Caleb. He's calling you out, which I'm guessing you're going to see some of that flower.

2:33:27BubblemanI still haven't hit this Talimon dab. Holy Christ.

2:33:31SpeakerI smacked mine and I blew the smoke out the door. So I'm chilling. That shit was really tasty, this pineapple.

2:33:39BubblemanDude, it just tastes like banana-y, fruity goodness, this one.

2:33:44SpeakerYeah, Honey Bananas top tier, primary, Ash Culler. Yeah.

2:33:49BubblemanBig, big fan of those, those flavors. I'm not going to lie. Big fan of those flavors. People ask me all the time what my favorite is. I would say probably haze is my favorite, but really what my favorite is, is just being able to enjoy perfectly grown, perfectly extracted flat hash. That's my favorite. I don't care what the cultivar is as much if it's been grown to perfection.

2:34:17BubblemanI find when you meet up with certain people like Stuart from Miner Melts, everything he grows is fire. He's not producing shitty material. Oh, here he's asking, so what's your guys' thoughts on the thing where people can't tell the difference between BHO and rosin? Well, here's the thing. People talk a big talk, but when you actually blind test them with anything... It really does separate the actual high level experts.

2:34:51BubblemanAnd I don't think it's a big deal to not be able to tell the difference personally. I think that the world nowadays is all about doing that. There's all sorts of different Thanks for watching.

2:35:26BubblemanHave you guys ever put a dab in your banger back in the universal heater? So not a torch, but like slow, because that's what I'm doing right now. It's full dab and it's in the universal heater and I can just, you know what? I think I'm going to hit this bitch while it's in the heater.

2:35:42SpeakerIt's like a cold start reverse engineered.

2:35:46BubblemanOh shit, I like that.

2:35:47SpeakerYeah. Let's go.

2:35:57SpeakerYeah, I wouldn't like my ego wouldn't be hindered if they did the blind test on me and I thought the BHO was rosin. I'd be like, where is it? Cool. You like that's fine with me. This is what I've been looking for. You know, like, yeah, I'm fine with high quality. Thank you for watching.

2:36:35SpeakerA BHO that's as good as my favorite, Rosin Cold Cure. You know, like I haven't seen it from then till now. And it's been... That's it. It's been seven years, but I'm very... Hey, dude, it's 2026.

2:36:46BubblemanWell, the control you have over your grow and your flower and making hash, you don't have a closed loop fucking butane system. Like you can just make hash with your kid. You could feed your kid while hand stirring a bucket, fucking hit that shit with a hair straightener and literally be smoking some of the best dabs on the planet. And that comparison is really difficult to do.

2:37:11BubblemanNow when BHO first came out and everyone was just doing this, it was the bee's knees, right? It was the best place to take your mediocre hash and turn it into something that's much better. Now there were certain people who were taking great hash and even 90 micron or 73 micron But they were far and few between and the majority, just like what you said with rosin, and I say it all the time, rosin is where mediocre hash goes to finish its life cycle.

2:37:39BubblemanMost mediocre hash ends up as rosin these days because people want to dab, they want that oil, they want that look. And until people show me the bubble hash they made their rosin with, you know, the bubble hash is the flex, in my opinion. I've said it many times, you know, not that I would ever be upset with what I call mediocre bubble going into rosin. Some of that rosin's amazing, super nice, but it's not going to be as amazing as perfectly grown hash that you've extracted.

2:38:11BubblemanIf you fucking hit that with, I want bubble hash that when you press it, You get a 97% return, and it's literally the same thing that you smoke at. No one can tell the difference between the bubble hash and the rosin from the same batch. It's a fat dab, Colin. I hope it's Bubble Man brand.

2:38:31SpeakerAnd I'll say his job is mission accomplished. You know, like, whether he was trying to get engagement or actually build conversation for the sake of information for the community, like, his mission's successful. Like, it leaps all the way... Thank you for watching.

2:39:07BubblemanYou know what I'm saying, man? Like, it's so fucking good. Like, he's saying, what he's saying, if you read it, you would hear it in his voice.

2:39:18SpeakerHe's the best. He is the best, dude.

2:39:21Collin PalmerDougie is, shout out to him, man.

2:39:23SpeakerI'm a fan of the culture and he was already on and popping. I respect the masters of the game. I was a student. He was already a master of the game. I'll give him that. He's a G. He pulled up to my store when I had my store on Fairfax in a U-Haul. Phil to the top with his, you know, with his bags and he fucking gave away, I don't know, like a thousand bags that day.

2:39:47BubblemanHe's, he's, he's a G. Every time I've ever hung out with him, I've just enjoyed it. I've never, I, I love the fact that we see things very differently and totally get along. You know what I mean? Like I don't, uh, you know, every once in a while I'll listen to one of his things and be like, Oh, I gotta go make a comment. But mostly what I comment with like nine out of 10 times, all I put up, Is this.

2:40:16Collin PalmerI'm dead. There you go.

2:40:17BubblemanI just post that every time. Someone will be like, yeah, well, we got this, that, and the other thing, and then I'll just, because they're all having a rosin BHO conversation, and I'm just like sitting in the VIP lounge puffing melt, listening to it, enjoying it, because really, the bottom line is the best BHO and the best rosin is from bubble hash, bitches. That's what you use to make it.

2:40:41BubblemanYep, yep. Oh, shit. I just puffed out of Colin's Puffco. It's very cool that Colin and I got to spend some time with one another over the last 30 years, I think. Did you really? I thought it was three because we did Toronto and we did Amsterdam when you were drumming with your band. And so now we did Boston.

2:41:03Collin PalmerThere we go. Boston was epic. We had killer dinners. Killer. I gave you a jar of my work from the New York outfit from VLSNY, which was fun. You gave me a jar back. From Colorado. From Colorado, which was awesome. I mean, Boston's dope for what it was, you know, like we ate. And then we went and had a feast of a dinner at Daily Catch. Shout out to Max.

2:41:30Collin PalmerI shouted him out. That was epic. And, you know, we had lobsters across the table. I mean. Lobster. Lobsters in pasta.

2:41:41BubblemanHere, wait, you know what? I feel like as a photographer, it's important when we say the stories that we share the photos.

2:41:52Collin PalmerOh, dude, I didn't even, you know, because it's funny. I forgot my phone when we went here because I parked my car, right? And then I forgot it again when I went to that party. Dude, that black squid pasta? When I got your text later, I was like, yes, I went to the party, but I'm back.

2:42:08BubblemanIt was delicious. It's always nice to just spend time with good people. The cannabis community is alive and well. I met absolute obsessive compulsive maniac growers and hash makers that were just like nerding out at the highest level. Shout out to Chachi, who I met on my last day. He was so funny. We were talking about age and he looked so young. He's like, I'm 37. But I looked 12 and he had this crazy fucking pipe that was basically like, like, what do you fucking call it?

2:42:41BubblemanIt was, it was, well, whatever this is, I can't remember the name of it. A lightsaber. It was a lightsaber from, that's not Chachi, by the way, that's Chachi's homie. But people coming by with cool shit, doing cool shit, puffing at the booth the whole time. Oh, I got to shout out Brett, too. You're making an appearance on Hash Church, dude. Shout out to this maniac that Colin introduced me to.

2:43:12BubblemanHe's actually in my phone as Brett Maniac. That's what I put his last name as. He's an absolute maniac.

2:43:18Collin PalmerThere's nothing better than Brett, man. There's nothing better than Brett.

2:43:22BubblemanThere's always someone I meet on these trips that I end up having so much fun with. I had the most fun with this guy. We kept meeting up. We kept bumping into each other. While you guys went to Fenway and we skipped, Brent and I just sat there for the two hours that you guys were gone. Just laughing, dude. Smoking joints, smoking dabs, eating food, watching the Edmonton Oilers lose to the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

2:43:50BubblemanFuck you, Ducks, but good game. You played well. You played a better game.

2:43:54Collin PalmerThat was epic, though. And Green Analytics, if you guys aren't testing with them, please do. They are epic, really accurate, really honest, and they know their science.

2:44:04BubblemanDid I introduce you to that guy?

2:44:07Collin PalmerWhich guy?

2:44:08BubblemanNo, it wasn't Green Analytics. Maybe it was.

2:44:13Collin PalmerMaybe he's part of it. So Brett works at Green Analytics, and I've known them for a while.

2:44:18BubblemanAnd who's the owner?

2:44:20Collin PalmerSo Corey is the owner, or he's one of the founders.

2:44:22BubblemanOkay, so I met Corey before I met Brett. Or no, I met him the next day. When I saw you guys at the yard house, I didn't really talk to you guys because I was sitting with Thomas. Corey was with the Asian woman at your table. Yes, that's who I brought you over to meet. Exactly. So but I bumped into him the next day and actually because I didn't.

2:44:46BubblemanI talked to him for like two minutes. It was less than two minutes and it was so loud and everyone was drinking. But I met him the next day in the lobby of the hotel. And yeah, he was a super good dude, man. I introduced him to my partner, Dan, and we'll definitely do our business with Green Analytics. Awesome, man.

2:45:04Collin PalmerYeah, no, awesome. They're family to me. 100% love those guys. Awesome.

2:45:08BubblemanThey're a good ally. Great whole quick little trip. I can't wait to kind of go back. I also kind of can't wait to go to Michigan next week and go see the scene there. Go check out Lansing. Go check out Detroit. Go check out fucking Monroe where my lab is. I'm going to go make... Every time I go to a different state that I have a brand deal in, my order of doing things is I want to go into the lab and make hash with the... First, I really want to just watch him make the hash so I can make notes on things that I might want to change or improve.

2:45:42BubblemanThen I want to make hash with him. And then I want to go out with the sales team and kind of meet all the stores and whatnot and just get out there and... Giveaway product. Got to give away a lot of product when you're a new brand kind of breaking into markets. But the thing is, is my brand is new, but not new. It is the weirdest thing.

2:46:07BubblemanVery much the weirdest thing. Detroit during movement is another world.

2:46:13SpeakerAll right. Well, we'll check it out. You can only imagine.

2:46:16BubblemanI met a guy on the plane on my way home, an old guy who was in his 70s. He was in Detroit just looking at buying multi-home, multi-family homes, like six to eight units, like not duplexes or triplexes, but whatever you call them. I guess they're like small apartments. You can buy them for like 300 grand in the U.S. right now. It's pretty wild. Do I know where I'm coming when I go to Missouri?

2:46:42BubblemanYes, I'll be going to St. Louis. That's where my partner lives. Where exactly in St. Louis he lives? I don't know, but I know his house is like 170 years old or some ridiculous shit or hundreds and something years old. So that'll be fun, too. You know, you miss out when you don't get to go to America. It's weird to like. And bullshit executive orders like Schedule 3.

2:47:20BubblemanNo, no, we're, I'm not, I'm not upset about that. I had a veteran tell me that when he goes to the hospital now and he tells them that he uses cannabis, that it won't, he won't, he won't get pushed into this box of addiction because sometimes they like to do that. And when he gets pushed into that box, he now can't access other drugs that he actually needs from the VA.

2:47:43BubblemanI can't remember who told us that. I might've seen it at the Veterans Council meeting or Thank you for joining us.

2:48:14BubblemanThank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:48:42BubblemanYou know, there's always something good within it. And then a bunch of other shit gets packed on on the outside. I always use the example of Ray Kroc or the McDonald's people, those original guys. They just wanted to make nice burgers available for people. And it ended up turning into like this robotic machine of poisonous food that's just like fucking a tear on the social fabric of the entire world.

2:49:07BubblemanBut it started as a good thing. Sure. You know, yeah, I mean, you get more.

2:49:12Collin PalmerYeah, I think that's a healthy perspective. I mean, there's a lot of opinions flying around. I mean, obviously, I'd love to hear where Dr. Mark's... You know, his head's out.

2:49:22BubblemanI mean, obviously, there's well, his head is that he hates Trump. So anything Trump does can't be good. And I totally am OK with that. But because I've seen it on the other side, too, like, oh, I hate the whatever. Who's the last guy? Biden. There was people on the Trump side. I hate Biden and nothing he can do is good. But I don't think that's a healthy way to live.

2:49:42BubblemanI think we have to find the way. I think we have to find more ways to make each other happy. Thank you so much for joining us.

2:50:10Collin PalmerDrugs that we needed for him prescribed and we couldn't talk about cannabis at all. And why do you think that was? Because of the, you know, we all know why. Because of the structure.

2:50:20BubblemanBecause you would lose access to those fucking drugs.

2:50:23Collin PalmerYou would lose literally everything. Because it's schedule one. And we're talking about a guy who was a first lieutenant dude. Like this guy led people into bloody battle. Like this is not some dude who's like, yeah, I kind of was on a ship and I like got out there and I came back. Like he was out there in the like painting his face with like mud and like, you know, with a pistol on his hand and two guys.

2:50:46Collin PalmerSo if you went in there and told them that we would lose literally everything as you highlighted, Marcus. And I think it's really important to highlight here that The system is so complex that what's good for someone else may be bad for another. But I think that you can't please everyone. But what I see is for what you just brought up, Marcus, is a glimmer of hope for those individuals to actually have patient access, which is, you know, as you highlighted, it's super important because it literally, like you said, was it's black and white.

2:51:19Collin PalmerIt's either you say it or you don't, you know. Lose it all or keep it and try to work with it.

2:51:27BubblemanBaby steps, baby steps, baby steps. I don't pretend to understand the depth of it, but I've been able to find that one little gem, which was given to me by the Veterans Council at TAMS Group. Sorry for forgetting. It might have been Michael. I don't know exactly who it was, but they opened. I just saw a totally unique perspective. I was like, okay, I'll fight for that.

2:51:46BubblemanThat's what I'll stay positive for. Of course, it's not great. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

2:51:52Collin PalmerWell, I was just going to say, like, okay, so with all that said, right, Dr. Mark, what's... Talk to me. Talk to me about where... Oh, God. Yeah, because I want to... You know what I mean? And be real.

2:52:06SpeakerI want to say so many different things. I don't even know where to start. Let's start slow. Let's go, Doc.

2:52:12BubblemanFirst of all, we're not going to get deep into politics. I just really want to hear your perspective on why you are upset about the Schedule 3 versus it being scheduled.

2:52:24SpeakerI'm not upset about anything, Marcus. I'm not upset about that. And I'm all about, you know, increasing access to the plant. Anybody who knows that, you know, that's in my heart.

2:52:35BubblemanWell, okay, not upset, but you made a comment when you said, do you remember what you said exactly?

2:52:42SpeakerOh, I just said, you know, I mean, this executive order is shiny objects to improve his, like the fake assassination last night and the fake assassination a couple months ago. I mean, this is all just theater and bullshit. It's all just, this is fascism. Has it ever been anything other than that? Dude, this is fascism. They're fascists. So now we're getting into the conspiracy theory. Now we're getting into politics.

2:53:10Collin PalmerWe're getting into ancient aliens, everyone.

2:53:12SpeakerWhat I'll say is it borders on politics because the politicians are the ones who are rolling out these new rules. And again, we all know that Thank you so much for joining us.

2:53:43SpeakerTo schedule three requiring a doctor's prescription to get MSO grown mids at Walgreens is going to fail. That's going to, that's not going to, that's, people aren't going to get their weed that way, you know? And is the, is the recreational, you know, adult use? I mean, what does that mean? Now you supposedly have to have everything registered through the DEA, meaning that all medical cannabis, If you read the executive order and you read what they're talking about in terms of rolling out the rules is that everything has got to go through the DEA.

2:54:22SpeakerAnd it's like, that's not going to work. How is that going to work? How is the logistics of that going to be practical on the ground? It's just not. And so you have to really wonder, like, I think the biggest question about it. And again, I'm not trying to get ours.

2:54:40BubblemanOurs works and ours goes through Health Canada and Health Canada is just really like you guys have a completely different.

2:54:47SpeakerYou guys, you have a different concept of what hemp is. Just Canada's just got it so much better. Thank you.

2:55:14SpeakerAnd so, again, I think with cannabis, I mean, what I'd like to think is that moving it to Schedule 3, the best thing that's come out of that is that now they have to admit, they have to admit that That there's medical use, right? That there is accepted medical use. We've always known that there's been medical use, right? The U.S. government's own patent. I guess if you look at the language of the Controlled Substance Act, it has to be accepted medical use.

2:55:46SpeakerSo it's like, or approved medical use. So what does that mean? That means FDA approval. Well, how can Marinol, which is THC derived from...

2:55:58SpeakerCannabis and now CBD in Epidiolex, which is derived from different variety of cannabis. How can those be FDA approved, but the plant from which they're derived still be Schedule 1? So yeah, believe me, I don't agree with it being on the schedule. I'm a de-schedule person. I'd like to see it completely removed from the schedule. Maybe moving it to Schedule 3 is a step in that direction.

2:56:25SpeakerThat's it. But there's also a huge concern. There's a huge concern that there is no schedule three drug that's not delivered today throughout. The entirety of the market that comes from a botanical substance. Schedule 3 drugs are all synthetic.

2:56:46BubblemanAnd guess what? In Canada, 90% of medical patients get their medicine from the recreational market. So try and imagine this. The schedule change proves that it's medicinal. This is what's going to happen with medicinal. There's all these companies that will invest in patients and medicine and cannabis as medicine. This is exactly what happened in Canada, by the way. Big money, big companies, you know, legacy people. They're going to be so, because it's the only way they can sell.

2:57:15BubblemanThere's no, before there's no rec. They're going to be really focused on medical. The second a recreational program opens up, which will not be controlled by the DEA. It'll be state controlled. It'll be different. And that's those medical companies will disappear overnight and jump ship to the wreck. And it's exactly what happened here. Everyone claimed medical, medical, medical. Dude, even Shoppers Drug Mart, which is owned by Loblaws.

2:57:44BubblemanThey're like a $55 billion company. Exactly, dude. There's no schedule three drugs sold by that's a plant. They thought they were going to distribute and sell weed after investing millions of dollars in like six or seven or eight years. They had a whole section. They left cannabis in Canada because recreational suddenly there was like 8000 stores. Why would you go to the pharmacy just to save on taxes?

2:58:11BubblemanIt's like, fuck that. There's like way more option at the rec store. So it's it really the rec stores threaten the medical platform. To me, I think when I think medical, that's going to be like pharmaceutical companies creating drugs that most of us may or may never take. We'll always just be we'll just access all the amazing products we can by growing our own under usually once you get medical.

2:58:39BubblemanThen it follows REC. And once you get those two, then you get licenses, personal licenses, so you can grow your own cannabis. Once you have those three, man, you are laughing. And in that way, you're never going to get there if cannabis is on schedule one. And so to complain that it didn't get descheduled, yes, it's an argument that we could all make, but it's heading in the right direction.

2:59:01BubblemanLike one to three, it's medical. Dr. David Allen, he said, I don't care anything about anything. They now have to admit that it has medical properties. That's what that guy was fighting for for 10 years when they threw him in prison in Mississippi and stripped him of his fucking medical license. You know, that guy was saving human lives by operating on their hearts. And all he wanted them to do was acknowledge that cannabis was a medicine and had medicinal properties.

2:59:27BubblemanAnd so he's also as a veteran of the drug war. Not of the, you know, any other wars. I don't know if you guys have ever seen Dr. David Allen's little drug war veteran patches that he makes. He usually sends, I think he was a veteran as well, though. I'd have to ask him again. I don't remember. Yeah, he was. Anyway, yeah, that's enough about that. But it's good to see you, dude.

2:59:51BubblemanYou should tell me a little bit about that field you're in front of because it looks like like Remo plants.

2:59:57SpeakerDid you just pull it off the internet or is it like in Vermont? No, that was actually, I took that picture, oh God, almost 10 years ago. This was an Amish farm out on the eastern shore of Maryland. Yeah, no, it was actually, it was a high CBG variety and it was really strange markets. So that day that I took that picture, I grabbed a cola off of one of the plants and brought it back to the lab and just did a quick You know, I just threw some dry ice into ethanol so I got the ethanol really cold and I just did a cold extraction because I wanted to see what cannabinoids were in there.

3:00:40SpeakerAnd man, I got the ethanol extract without winterizing at all and stripped it down on the roto and put it on a vacuum and ended up with an off-white yellowish powder. And I was like, what the fuck is this? And I had it analyzed and it was... 99.8% pure CBG.

3:01:03SpeakerThe only impurity that was in there is a little bit of tea. I'm sorry, CBGA. So it was 99.8% pure CBGA. I was like, holy shit.

3:01:14BubblemanAre they pulling that down early to get such a high percentage?

3:01:18SpeakerWell, it was early when I went out there. For sure. And I said, we were interested in the CBGA. I said, harvest that shit now. And they harvested it. And a week later, The analysis from the lab came back and there was already like almost 0.5% THC in there. So just in a matter of a week, the contents of that tricone changed quite significantly. Yeah, that was an interesting field.

3:01:50SpeakerAnyway, that's the story there. Yeah, so just not to beat a dead horse, but just to go back to the rescheduling thing, you know, they say it's going to make research better and research easier. I'm not really too sure that I do research in this area.

3:02:07BubblemanSo for me, you're going to be able to tell us if it's true or not. In the next two years, you'll be able to literally bring to Hash Church the pros and cons of what happened by changing it. For me, I love that we're changing things. I love to hear about things. When we Started talking about legalization and recreation and medical and all this stuff in Canada.

3:02:30BubblemanI was a bit of a pessimist. And as I watched it go through, I remember them saying, it now has gone to the Queen's descent. The Queen of England now has to sign off Thank you for watching.

3:02:56BubblemanThere's no way she's going to do it. There's no way that she's going to do it. And she did it. They showed the picture of her signing it. And yeah, it was all entertainment and it was all a show. And to this day, Mark, Dr. Mark, there are people in Canada who complain about how cannabis was, you know, it's like... It's like there's all these people trying their best to just move things forward.

3:03:21BubblemanAnd then there's all these other people who are criticizing on how they're doing it and how it's not as good as they should have done it. But they're not doing that thing. It's like, dude, if there's a better way to do it, by all means, someone please show me in the meantime, get behind the people that are doing it and just let's push it as far as we humanly can.

3:03:40BubblemanWould I love to see it descheduled? Yes. Would I love to see it turned into an agricultural product? Absolutely. Would I love to see it, you know, deregulated to as much as we could deregulate it without allowing super sketchy people to poison end users by spraying, you know, like there's still regulations we can all agree that are required. We can't just trust people to grow weed and sell it in an open market without testing.

3:04:05BubblemanYou would agree with that, wouldn't you, Dr. Mark?

3:04:08SpeakerYeah, yeah, I mean, totally, totally. I want to see the preservation of people like Masonic. I want to see to make sure that, you know, the small guy doesn't get squashed by the Walgreens and the Pfizer's because I think, you know, again, there's some interpretation of, okay, it gets moved to Schedule 3. Schedule 3 is an FDA approved manufacturer like pharmaceutical companies. This could be big pharma's play.

3:04:38SpeakerThank you for watching.

3:04:56SpeakerBut I'm really eager, you know, I'm going to CanMed. I know, Colin, you're going to be there too. We'll ask the doctors like, you know, Bonnie and John Talleyrand. We'll ask these doctors and say, hey, is this moving to Schedule 3, increasing access for your patients? If it is, I'm all for it. I'm all for people. Thank you for joining us.

3:05:40BubblemanWhat work, like ATN, right? ATN is our guy. He's the guy that says, don't just talk about it, fucking do it. Because I'm having the conversation with Bingo here right now. So Bingo, Dr. Mark, and anyone else that wants to chime in, what can we do? Thank you so much for joining us.

3:06:20BubblemanWhat would we do? Because I honestly don't know. I mean, ATN would probably have the fucking answers, like at least the direction that we should head. But what would you say, Dr. Mark?

3:06:30SpeakerWell, I think part of it, too, I mean, the back end of the executive order does talk about compliance with treaties. And I know that's kind of like where ATN is with that, with the... Talking with the UN, which is that we have to be able to have compliance within these international treaties or else, you know, the international treaties are meaningless. I don't know. Ask any Native American if, you know, the treaties that were put in place with the United States government actually helped them, you know, or preserve their culture and preserve their lifestyle.

3:07:05SpeakerI mean, there's a lot of doublespeak here. And I think, again, like when you when you just when you think about Again, we're going to talk just about politics for a second. Just think about like the current news cycle and the current, you know, like what's in the news and what needs to be said. And, you know, there's a lot of discussion after an executive order like this is made because everyone in it, not just in Trump's orbit, but everyone in the orbit of the government's trying to figure out, okay, what does this really mean?

3:07:37SpeakerI mean, when they did the original de-scheduling thing, You know, the former Attorney General, Pam Boddy, was supposed to like take care of this and supposed to do it in expedited fashion. So it's like, okay, didn't happen in expedited fashion. You know what? A couple months go by, time for another executive order. Basically, read the executive order, people. What you'll see is that what the executive order calls for is some hearings with the DEA.

3:08:06SpeakerOh, OK. So some hearings with the DEA. How's that going to go?

3:08:11BubblemanSo, I mean, like, keep in mind that when you say the DEA, Sam just dealt with the DEA. He got DEA export licenses. He applied with them. He dealt with them for years and years and years. Never had a single complaint. It allowed him to move. It's it's. You've got to keep an open mind that, you know, yes, the DEA that we they I suspect the DEA will change.

3:08:32BubblemanThey're not they're going to they're going to morph. They're going to change into a different thing with cannabis, just like it happened here in Canada.

3:08:41SpeakerThink about all the people who are sitting in jail today. Sitting in jail today, they had nothing in there about releasing cannabis, people with cannabis offenses who are locked up forever. I mean, so how do you feel about how your society is going when they decriminalize this and move this to schedule three? But I'm sitting in a jail cell because I tried to feed my family by selling some weed.

3:09:08BubblemanYou know, it's still there's people in Canada that are going through the same thing. We have people in jail that sold cannabis. So what I'm saying is, if that's something that touches you, is it more effective to complain about it or more effective to do something about it? Like, are you going to prisons like you're a smart guy? You've written papers and stuff. You might be able to move the needle.

3:09:29BubblemanLike if that's, and Hash Church would be very much in getting behind something like that. Like getting, I think that's what Steve D'Angelo is doing with the Last Prisoner Project. I think some of the stuff that Etienne is doing, you know, you speak a good point in the sense that Okay, there's people in prison right now for cannabis. I suspect schedule three is in the right, you know, the right direction.

3:09:51BubblemanMaybe the descheduling and the prison thing are combined in the sense of like, maybe those people can never get out until it's descheduled. That being said, here in Canada, when it went federally legal, The way the law works is it doesn't matter if it's legal now. It was illegal then. That's why the profit margin, that's why you were involved in the black market. That's why you were involved in whatever.

3:10:17BubblemanAnd so you just end up like the people I knew were just like, if I get caught with this, I'm making so much profit because the worry is jail. That's what the profit margin was based on. It was based. And if you go to New York or Texas, you see, Thank you for watching.

3:10:49BubblemanYou know, and also the old school Sam mentality. I'm less worried how it's controlled or who controls it. I want to just see one direction forward motion. I don't care if it's a millimeter or seven feet or seven miles. I prefer seven miles. I just want forward motion. And every time I see it, like for instance, the schedule three thing was trippy. What do you think about the Ibogaine thing?

3:11:17SpeakerOh, yeah. Yeah. So my, my cynical take on the Ibogaine thing.

3:11:22BubblemanNo, no, I'm not asking for your cynical take. I would love your personal opinion. I would love to hear something.

3:11:26SpeakerMy personal opinion is the same as my cynical take, which is that he's just trying to win back to Joe Rogan.

3:11:33BubblemanI don't know, but remove him. I know I saw that. Remove him from the category. I'm not asking about what you think about Joe Rogan or Trump. I know exactly how you feel. Try to see through the hatred you have for them. The disdain. The disdain.

3:11:47SpeakerYou have it all wrong, Mark. I don't hate anybody.

3:11:50BubblemanYou hate fascists.

3:11:52SpeakerI have no hate in my heart at all.

3:11:54BubblemanWell, it's no, you can hear it in your voice, Mark. You can hear it in your voice. You can say those words, but the disdain you have and the reason, like I'm asking you a question about what you think about Ibogaine becoming legal and you're talking about Joe Rogan and Trump. I don't give a fuck about those guys. They might have been mechanisms to make it happen.

3:12:12BubblemanI'm asking what you think about Ibogaine becoming accessible and legal to people.

3:12:19SpeakerI think that that has to happen through the legislative branch of our government and not by executive order. The executive branch is there to execute the laws that are generated by Congress. This government is so dysfunctional today, sorry to talk about politics today, that basically The legislature and the judicial have been overwhelmed by the executive branch. So we have a non-functional government, and I think that this is all part of the dysfunctionality of what's going on in Washington, D.C. today.

3:12:55SpeakerYeah, well, OK, so I'll say this, though. Should psychedelics be taken off the list? Absolutely. Am I all for access to psychedelics? Yeah, that's my opinion. Absolutely. Absolutely.

3:13:09BubblemanNot even PTSD. I want everyone to have access to psychedelics. Right. And I am so when I saw that once again, I was like it was like the queen signing the dissent. or whatever it's called for legal cannabis in Canada. I just never thought I would see the day.

3:13:26SpeakerIn the same week that that happened, he got rid of the National Science Board, which is basically the science board that oversees the National Science Foundation. This should be alarming to scientists and non-scientists alike. It should be alarming to not only Americans, but to everyone. These people are basically trying to put Patzies into positions that basically control the funding of science. And I'm not about that at all.

3:13:57SpeakerAnd so we should all be writing our congressmen to let them know that this is unacceptable. There you go.

3:14:01BubblemanAction.

3:14:02SpeakerThat's the one.

3:14:03BubblemanYou've got to have action.

3:14:04SpeakerYeah, exactly. That's what we can do. The action mode.

3:14:07BubblemanThat's the action.

3:14:07SpeakerElections matter.

3:14:09BubblemanWrite your congressmen. Action. Yeah. Action. Yeah, I, you know, people are like, Bubble Man's MAGA. Dude, I don't give a fuck about the Orange Man. I don't give a fuck about Joe Rogan. I sit on the fence in a different way. I don't give a fuck about my politics. I don't really like them at all. I don't like the way I see America going in a very specific way.

3:14:30BubblemanI see Canada going in a very specific way. I like people. And when you discuss these... Thanks for watching.

3:14:57BubblemanNot necessarily defend or even promote Trump, but maybe just promote and say, I think one of the things he did was good. You become mega. And that is so anti-vaccine fucking mentality. And I went through it for COVID. I didn't get vaccinated. And I watched all these big loud mouth motherfuckers tell everyone they had to get vaccinated. And then they all looked like assholes when they were absolutely wrong.

3:15:21BubblemanAnd the vaccine companies came out and said, the vaccine doesn't prevent COVID. Transmission. I still fought for all my friends who wanted to get the vaccines. I would never blast my friends for wanting to get a vaccine, but I'll tell you the people who didn't get vaccines got blasted by the people, some of the people who did. And I see a lot of that same sickening mentality in politics.

3:15:44BubblemanYou can't even defend once. We should be pulling and going towards the middle instead of spending all of our time on the outer edges of these extreme wings That clearly just divide us. 100% divide us. I live in a, it's happening in my own neighborhood, Dr. Mark. Not on a large level like, I always forget the names of your guys, Democrats and Republicans and Liberals and Conservatives here in Canada, but in my village of a thousand people, Since COVID, because COVID was the real psyop that divided people into either side, like, oh, I'm not getting vaccinated.

3:16:25BubblemanI am getting vaccinated. Families got broken up. Grandparents didn't get to see their grandchildren. Like real bullshit happened because of that. And it was a, it moved right into what's happening now. And in my village, and it's not green or blue or red, it's just literally like, Our small town council has been fractioned for the last five years since COVID. And because of it, my village is suffering.

3:16:51BubblemanThey don't know how to get along. And when someone brings something up because of who they are and the disdain that someone has for them, they make sure that no matter what, they say as many negative things about them and destroy the thing they're trying to put forward. And they're both just doing that on both sides. And I'm sitting here going, This is literally how we did things in like grade three.

3:17:12BubblemanLike we have got to be more intelligent. And I think the most important discourse when it comes to the political level, because when I ask you, Dr. Mark, like how do we change these things? Obviously, I don't have access to people at the highest level of politics, but I think it changes in our municipalities first, in our villages and in our towns and in our cities. There's Thank you for joining us.

3:17:54BubblemanAnd then there's always one side who will hate you if you're on the fence because they'll see you as on the other side. And then there's some other people on that other side that will also hate you because you're on the fence. But yeah, I just think people need to relax, take a fucking dab, breathe easy, and try to find as many things in your day to be grateful for than you are cynical about.

3:18:20BubblemanAnd that is my... Let's take a dab right now.

3:18:23Collin PalmerI feel like I need one.

3:18:24BubblemanYeah. There, here's a go. Here's a guy on the line right now. Ken R5262. I'm far from MAGA, but since I don't hate the whole Trump regime, my sister thinks I'm the problem. This is a bummer. We got to be careful. Thank you for watching.

3:19:08BubblemanYou know, I remember lots of things about cigar, about presidents and prime ministers over the years that have, I can't look back at too many in my own country and think, wow, you know, that guy did a great job for everyone. It's politics. You know what Peter Tosh called politics? He called them politics and he called it the shit system. The political shit system.

3:19:32SpeakerI think we have to have some comfort in being able to just talk about it, you know?

3:19:37BubblemanBut I don't know because the comfort is so vile and disgusting and it gets so out of hand so fast and one side seems intent on... Sometimes it goes to violence. Well, you saw it in L.A. These guys are fucking fighting about their brands, dude. They're getting so... Did you hear about the fight in L.A. at the cannabis event?

3:20:00Collin PalmerYo, that was so whack.

3:20:01BubblemanOh no, I'm asking Dr. Mark if he heard about it. Yeah, I mean, I saw it. You saw it?

3:20:06SpeakerOkay.

3:20:07BubblemanI don't know anything about the politics of that particular event. I heard it was as silly as someone said, your doinks aren't as good as my doinks. And that was it. Fucking fisticuffs were flying. So I don't know exactly what happened, but I do know that it's very easy to say certain words and then change the way people feel and think about you, even though you yourself haven't changed as a person.

3:20:33BubblemanAnd I really, really felt it during COVID because I didn't get vaccinated during COVID. I was very much not the person who was like going around, you know, talking to everyone saying you shouldn't get vaccinated. You know, I, you know, two of my children got vaccinated. I would never try to control anyone's mentality when it comes to that. But what I did feel was Thank you so much for joining us.

3:21:10BubblemanThere is a PSYOP out there controlling the way we think. And when it turns us against one another and you still don't see it, that is a very fucking dangerous game. The CIA back 20 years ago used a blue light on a screen to create violence in chimpanzees. You can Google this. It's a crazy story. It's literally the same frequency of blue light that all of our televisions and screens and telephones use.

3:21:38BubblemanNow I'm not trying to go down the conspiracy hole. I'm just saying that these things are open for possibility. If we think the DEA and some of these groups are as bad as they are, Who knows what level of manipulations there are out there. I don't pretend to think I'll ever know. What I try to do is I try to live a cognitive life. I try to share in really good experiences with people.

3:22:00BubblemanI know that when I go to Boston and we're just talking about lobster and restaurants and wine and dabs, that I'm having a great time. And that if anyone starts bringing up anything else like political, then I'm not having a great time. And if there's eight people at the table saying, Six and four or four and four or three. And there's going to be some division along the way.

3:22:22BubblemanAnd it's just like, oh, man, that's no good. So I guess it's it's a it's a. It's a way for us all to learn and navigate because we all have family members as well. This would be one thing if it was just like, hey, you know what? I'm just linking up with my crew. They all think like me. But I think the biggest value in the world, like Dr. Mark said, is when we can talk about things.

3:22:44BubblemanAnd one of the things that politics has poisoned is our ability to do that. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:23:09BubblemanActually, dude's actually a really nice dude. He plays guitar, invited me over to his pool. He's a nice dude. Have you ever talked to him? It's like, no, I don't like the way he thinks about certain things. So I guess it's free will. We all get to think the way we want.

3:23:25Collin PalmerWe need our emotional spirit animal, the dab, right now. I think everybody should pack that into their bowl.

3:23:33BubblemanWhat are you packing?

3:23:36Collin PalmerI was going to do, because I have in front of me, some of that Super Boof that I gave you. But I was going to get you a jar, but it's just on the other side of my house right now. I was digging into it last night, right before bed. It's delicious. If you're not picking up Bubble Man brand in Colorado, you need to.

3:23:58BubblemanI'll go get some. Oh, wait, you weren't talking to me. There's some great hash makers in Boston. Like, I was really quite happy.

3:24:11Collin PalmerWhole Northeast, dude. The whole Northeast.

3:24:13BubblemanThis is quality people.

3:24:15Collin PalmerGreat talent, good growers.

3:24:17BubblemanGreat chefs, too. Great food. Like, spectacular food, man.

3:24:23Collin PalmerNew York is coming up, you know, some good people coming out of the woodwork. I'm getting better and better jars from people, which is cool.

3:24:30BubblemanIt'll be very cool when you guys go federal down there. That will be a very cool thing because of the ability to move over the border without worry. And that's the thing that's nice in Canada that I can just like mail an ounce to my uncle as a gift. You know what I mean? It's not mailing things in America. I was talking to someone about this because it's state.

3:24:55BubblemanIt doesn't matter if you're mailing to one state that's medical to a state next door that's medical. The mail is federal and that's federal mail fraud. If you put anything like that in there, not like I'm trying to be a stickler and I'm just like, you know, be careful. It's definitely, I know there's banking. That's a big problem. There's a bunch of different things that need to be lifted, which will be lifted when federal legalization comes to America.

3:25:21BubblemanAnd it's definitely coming. One of the big ones is definitely banking. That is, you know, I think scheduling does that actually.

3:25:28Collin PalmerIt's one of the mechanisms that is actually a plus for those that are actually on the, that own licenses because it'll, um, It'll help with your write-offs and your equipment purchases, which I think changes a lot.

3:25:43SpeakerYeah, but will you still be licensed?

3:25:48Collin PalmerSo that's what I was thinking about that.

3:25:50BubblemanWell, it's so easy to get licenses here. You know, people worried only the big companies will be able to get them. They're not going to allow craft. Craft is a huge part of the Canadian cannabis scene. The big companies exist. Some of them folded. Some of them bought each other. They're big. They're there. But there's a lot of craft companies in Canada. Like, it's actually really cool.

3:26:11BubblemanI would say most of the events I go to are really craft company events. There's still and even companies like Rubicon Organics, they're a bigger company. They're pretty big, but they do really quality flower and resin. Now, Pure Sun Farms are monsters. That's village farms. They are a monster. And they're selling, you know, their flour and their products aren't quite at that highest level, but they're filling the gap selling like 80 to $100 ounces, you know, 80 Canadian dollar ounces.

3:26:42BubblemanThat's like people love that shit, dude. They're really, they're really stoked about that. They're not the people to go on Reddit and be like, look at how many small buds I got. It's like, dude, it's an $80 ounce. I just think you should probably be happy. But it didn't happen here is all I'm saying. The big companies didn't take over with all their buddies and own the industry.

3:27:01BubblemanThere are tons of companies that have like legacy companies that are on the market.

3:27:08SpeakerWell, there's no schedule in Canada, right? Is that right?

3:27:12BubblemanWell, we signed the peace and drug treaty. So what we had to do was we had to get the queen to remove us from that. And yeah, we have everything is highly regulated. So all cannabis has to be sold with a federal tax stamp from each province. It's different. And then medical is even even more different. It has tax stamps, but it's even it's more regulated than than recreational.

3:27:37SpeakerSo who is control of the Canadian equivalent of the DEA?

3:27:43BubblemanWell, it would be like our, our DEA is really like the FDA DEA and that's Health Canada. They run the show. They're the ones that all the legacy people hate. They talk about them like the DEA. They're like, oh, fucking Health Canada, fucking, ah, like they're connected to your mark. Basically, when you're, when you're, when it's federally legal, do you know who your business partners, like all the money partner, your partner is, is the IRS.

3:28:09BubblemanSo for us, it's the CRA. Our CRA, Canada Revenue. Agency and customs. So CRA and customs are like intertwined in Canada. So they're our partners. Those tax stamps.

3:28:26SpeakerYeah, of course. It's different here and I think it's going to roll.

3:28:29BubblemanIt's never existed there. You guys had tax stamps back in the day.

3:28:35SpeakerYeah, but I'm just saying. We have like cigarette stamps.

3:28:37BubblemanIt'll be the same as cigarettes and alcohol when it goes recreational. That's how it'll go.

3:28:43Collin PalmerThat red stamp, Dr. Mark on the bottom of cigarettes, you know, that's a particular type. Yeah.

3:28:49SpeakerSo, I mean, to me, it does make sense to put it in that thing called tobacco, alcohol and firearms, i.e. the things that government can't regulate, right? Alcohol, tobacco, firearms. We don't know what to do with these things. So, you know what? We're going to put them all together, right? Yeah. So now it's going to be tobacco, alcohol, firearms, and cannabis, right?

3:29:12BubblemanAnd weed. Perfect, perfect, you know. Department of Vice. The Department of Vice. Yeah, well, you know what? Listen, I'll tell you what, when it starts happening. And it happened here in Canada. The pessimism, now some never stop. There are people in Canada who are pessimistic to this day. They're the ones that aren't really involved in the industry. They're not really trying to drive the industry. They're not trying to shape and direct or steer the industry.

3:29:40BubblemanBut they're definitely complaining a lot about it. We still have a big black market in Canada. Because of all the funding falling out of the... Thank you so much for joining us.

3:30:20BubblemanAs we think. It didn't hear, although I could bring someone on who could tell you it turned out worse than they thought, which is a subjective opinion of a person who's in a different position in the industry than I am. They might look at Canada and go, yeah, Canada just fucking, it just fucking sucks.

3:30:36SpeakerYeah, I mean, I was looking at a LinkedIn post from a gentleman who is a licensed cannabis dispensary, but is also a licensed pharmacist. So he's got both businesses. I don't know that they're underneath the same roof. I think they're underneath different roofs. But he doesn't look at this as being a win. And he had a variety of different reasons. Again, I guess part of it has to be inserting the DEA into the cannabis supply chain.

3:31:05SpeakerThey just don't think that that's a useful.

3:31:08BubblemanWell, no one will care about the DEA. They'll all care about the IRS. They'll care about the taxes. Nothing else. I can promise you because that's how it played out here. No one cares about the RCMP or the federal police. We all care about how much tax the CRA charges us with those fucking stamps. That's the main thing. It's the tax, always. How much of my profit are you going to take?

3:31:30BubblemanThat's why he doesn't think it's a win, I can promise you.

3:31:33SpeakerThank you for watching. See you next time.

3:31:48BubblemanWe'll fall to the wayside the minute recreational come in, and then they'll all complain about the thing that really matters, which is the tax.

3:31:55Collin PalmerI think Marcus is right. If you look at the way it's gone just on a state by state system, what does the Fed typically do? They push it to the states, right? Look at everything that's been meaningful. It's the structure that happens first, right? And what we're about to see is really no different. The medical is a ploy and a stair for it to step up to recreational, which is ultimately the goal.

3:32:17SpeakerWell, then it's not truly a Schedule 3 substance, okay? It's not. It's not Schedule 3. Because a Schedule 3 has to be manufactured by an FDA-registered GMP-inspected facility. It ain't a plant, man. It ain't a plant. It's a single compound that's put into a formulation, right?

3:32:38Collin PalmerBut dude, my lab in New York is CGMP, though. So I think that we're already sort of... The precursor is already there. You just have to, you know, you have not to audit your everything in a different way, you know, and take notes.

3:32:53SpeakerI think there's lots of things that need to happen in order for true CGMP to be out there because right now there's, you can't even get reproducibility between testing labs.

3:33:07BubblemanListen, GMP is like schedule three. It's just baloney poo-poo. It's so expensive. It's so absurd. It's so ridiculous. The two things we're talking about, I guarantee you most of us will never, like, we'll fight for the rights for the medical, but it won't matter if they do the medical in a way that you think is wrong because the recreational will overshadow it. The access of recreational cannabis, which kind of all, dude, I was just in Boston and you could just go buy weed in a fucking store.

3:33:39BubblemanLike there are so many stores that like patients. My daughter works at a dispensary. She's like, Dad, you wouldn't believe how many elderly people come in that I know for a fact would be medical patients. But the medical system is so fucked and so just convoluted and because they're trying to plug in cannabis. Thank you for watching.

3:34:21BubblemanThank you for joining us.

3:34:41BubblemanBut then we have provincial, each province has their own tax stamps. Each province has sort of within reason their own, you know, limitations of what you can and can't do. Even though there are an overshadowing array of rules, like for instance, dude, we couldn't see into the weed stores for the first like five years. You had to have like cloudy windows or window coverings so you couldn't see completely.

3:35:05BubblemanAnd I thought, here you have a store. That has a 19 year old girl working behind the counter. And you're going to close off the windows so the public can't see into the store? What if someone came into the store and locked the door? Now they're in the store with the door locked. Maybe they're going to rob the place, assault the girl working there, steal a bunch of shit, and then just walk out the door.

3:35:29BubblemanSo only like a year ago, only like a year ago, We got to take the coverings off of our windows. And I think that might have just been in BC. I don't know if that's all across Canada. And if you guys did some research on, say, alcohol prohibition and when it ended and how slow it was to get alcohol to the point where alcohol is literally available everywhere.

3:35:53BubblemanLike nobody sitting here could not go like two minutes out their door and buy alcohol. It's just so close. um and that took a very long time it did not just happen overnight and there were agencies involved and there was regulations there was people that got in the way and i'm sure the people who were ahead of them were pissed off about it but if alcohol can travel from where it was to completely illegal You know, and, you know, kind of for the first time in the history of people like police being shot by gangsters over the profit margins of alcohol.

3:36:25BubblemanAnd in conjunction with the alcohol industry's loss, I met a guy in the wine industry recently, and he said they're taking a massive hit, 30 to 40% annual loss of revenue. Do you know how many billions of dollars that is? I hear it's even bigger for hard liquor. I hear it's like almost 50% loss of revenue. So that money has to go somewhere. And I think we all know where that money is going right now.

3:36:52BubblemanI think we know the young people that aren't drinking the alcohol are buying the herb and they're buying that herb. Because it's accessible. So no matter what, somehow, give yourself a pat on your back, Colin and Dr. Mark and Caleb and everyone else out there that's been involved in promoting cannabis. We're moving it forward. You know, is it where we want? No. Should we continue to practice civil disobedience?

3:37:18BubblemanTo a degree. But we should be careful in regards to How we spend our energy in regards to thinking about these subjects. And I like Dr. Mark's idea when he said about call your, like that was, I hear action in that and I'm like, okay, that's what we need to do. We can't just be telling people what we don't like. We got to back it up with action.

3:37:42BubblemanOkay, there's a good action for this. And for, you know, I'm sure, I don't know it exactly, being in Canada when it comes to trying to de-schedule cannabis. I know how we did it in Canada. We got... Thank you for watching.

3:38:21BubblemanThank you for watching.

3:38:36BubblemanFirst of all, when we told them we were going to get hemp growing legally, they said, when pigs fly. Those were the people who were our supporters and our community. They said, when hell freezes over. And I said, we live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, bro. Hell freezes over every winter. What are you talking about? It took us nine months to get our first license to grow hemp. In 1994, we applied.

3:38:59BubblemanBy 1995, we had it planted. Zola Tinocha 11, 13, and 15 from Goro Borotko. We moved the needle a little bit. Did it move it a lot? Well, maybe now, 30 years later, I could say it moved it a fair bit. There's grocery stores that sell Thank you so much for joining us today.

3:39:39BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:40:00Bubblemancannabis legal for the whole world and it took another 20 some odd years before it happened for recreational in canada but i'm telling you it moved the needle and it may not have you know made the critics as happy as they wanted to be in that moment but we worked our asses off i spent 25 000 of my own money Importing low THC hemp seeds. Do you know how much $25,000 was to a 20-year-old kid in fucking 1994, bro?

3:40:29BubblemanLike, let me tell you, that was a lot. So let's just try to stay positive. When we see groups do little motions and little movements, we've always been terrible in the cannabis industry and celebrating our wins. And I'm the first to admit it. I've been guilty of it most of my life because I want it all and I want it now. And I don't think that's too much to ask for.

3:40:48BubblemanAnd I'm not being sarcastic. I really do. When it comes to cannabis being free from tyranny and all the bullshit that it's been trapped in, I want it all and I want it now. But I'm mature enough to know that that's not how what's going to happen and that's not how I'm going to get it. So then I got to figure out the strategy. And I really think the strategy is action.

3:41:09BubblemanIt was when we were younger. Hopefully Hash Church can be a part of that action. Hopefully younger people that are listening to this conversation can hear it. For more than just senseless bitching and moaning and picking sides. Hopefully you guys can hear the depth of what we're trying to talk about because I fucking love Dr. Mark. I love Dr. Mark's perspective. I love Dr. Mark's intelligence. I have a huge appreciation for his mentorship because he's mentored me a great deal over the years and having him on Hash Church.

3:41:38BubblemanAnd I feel the same way about Colin and young Caleb who's new to the group. I want to learn from everyone. I don't want to be preaching. But I do want us to figure out a way to execute. I heard Mike Tyson say this to a kid one time. He was like a gangster guy. And Mike goes, what would you do if someone did you wrong? And I can't remember the question.

3:41:57BubblemanMaybe it was like hurt your lady or it was some like heinous wrong. And he said, what would you do? And the guy's like, oh, I fucking kill him, man. I go out and I get him. And Mike Tyson's like, oh, so you let the devil change you. And that profound statement of like, oh, what did he just say? You'd let the devil change you. So your reaction to an experience can either be plus or negative.

3:42:23BubblemanIt can either be a valuable lesson or a costly mistake. I think of the costly mistake as the metaphorical. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:42:53BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:43:21BubblemanOn the other side, when he talks about the things that are upsetting him like in a great deal, and I understand the love and the passion, I feel less authenticity in that. I feel like that's not Dr. Mark. That's like something that's slightly possessing Dr. Mark. It's taking his good energy and it's inverting it. And I've had it happen to me too, dude. I have it happen on the regular.

3:43:41BubblemanAnd we just got to figure out a way to fucking avoid it because we're here for a short time, not a long time. And I think it's why we dab and eat good food and spend time with people we love, because the more we're laughing and the more we're smiling, the better we feel. There's just no doubt about it. I'm on a real self-help fucking rant today, aren't I?

3:44:03Collin PalmerLike, just going off. Anyway. I keep reading these headlines as they were talking about how everybody can ship far of pseudical grade across the pond now, and that's sort of misleading.

3:44:18BubblemanWell, isn't the news always misleading?

3:44:20Collin PalmerIt's just totally misleading.

3:44:22BubblemanHave you ever been in the news? Have you ever been in the news? Like on the newspaper, in an article. Okay, so I have, and let me tell you. It was when I got arrested with my kilos on that. So this was a real news story. This wasn't like someone like, hey, bubble man, we want to interview you for an article where you're doing. This is like a news story that is being written about you and you have no control about what's written and they're not calling you to find out anything.

3:44:48BubblemanSo a true news story. Bro, they made so many mistakes. In fact, I even got them. I can't remember what it's called when they have to acknowledge they made a mistake and like retract or. There's like a word in the media. Where they... Redact. Redact, yeah. No, redact's when you put the black out. Anyway, what they did was they announced in like a... It was the North Shore News.

3:45:13BubblemanAnd it was an issue many months, if not more than a year later. They finally wrote it. It was a small little paragraph. And it was like in the issue of this month, in this year, of Mark Richardson's story. They wrote back what they made a mistake on. But they made three... Mistakes in my news story. And it made me go, okay, first of all, I'm nobody.

3:45:39BubblemanAnd they got three things wrong. I thought how many fucking, and it makes sense. Like, don't get it. I'm not, Don't get it mixed up. I'm not criticizing the journalists. The world is complicated and it's vast and it's big. And depending on your level of awareness, you're either going to pick more things up or you're going to pick up less things. And he managed to miss like two or three pretty prime things.

3:46:04BubblemanAnd so he just kind of altered them and made them up and got the amount of money I had wrong and got the amount of flour I had wrong. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:46:37BubblemanCompassion is a verb as Wade Laughter tells us. And Hillary really took action on that. She kind of gave up her ability to have success, to have family, to have all of these things that many of us search for. She sort of sacrificed her Thank you so much for joining us.

3:47:13BubblemanThank you so much for joining us.

3:47:36BubblemanI think people get it. See, when you're in service of others in an authentic way, it feeds your soul. When you virtue signal, Thank you so much for joining us.

3:48:08BubblemanIt's just about being authentic and being real. That's why I get along with all you guys. You're totally authentic. You are who you are. You're definitely not actors. When I met Caleb in Vegas, which is, it will be funny forever because we'll never be able to change that, Caleb. We will always have met in Vegas. And we just, I felt like Caleb and I were two of the most non-Vegas, like, Never to be corrupted like it could be the most amazing movie if you made like a hangover style movie with Caleb and I as the main characters and we're just these like sort of pothead guys that went to Vegas but then did get corrupted and then have the whole madness of us just going through like Vegas corruption because we're just walking slow huffing like Completely in this alien world, like I just met Caleb on the moon or something, right?

3:48:58BubblemanKeep in mind, you've been there lots, right? Like, aren't you even from Nevada or something?

3:49:04SpeakerI lived in Reno. I've lived in Vegas for like a year total.

3:49:07BubblemanThat's what I'm saying. And what, like, do you feel that you fit into Vegas or do you feel like you're like more like...

3:49:16BubblemanLike a relax. I don't picture you like a Vegas guy. Like there's so many people just like drinking and smoking darts and like hitting the buttons on the on the on the games. And you're just like, I'm not engaging in any of this. Is there a big community of people in Vegas that really don't engage in any of that corrupt, corruptible behavior?

3:49:36SpeakerDefinitely for like the townies in Vegas, they go to the strip like once a year around Christmas when someone's visiting. Yeah, they just avoid that side of town altogether. Yeah, exactly.

3:49:48BubblemanI wished I could have gone and met some, like seen that part of Vegas. I meant to hit up Tricomb Tortoise, but we were pretty busy. Like I barely got out of those hotels, let alone like drive into like a rural neighborhood of Vegas.

3:50:05SpeakerYeah, Vegas really is the meeting spot. That's also where I met Dr. Mark exactly the year before. Oh my God.

3:50:12BubblemanHave you met Colin yet? Yeah. Oh, not yet. We should meet in Vegas in December.

3:50:17SpeakerNo, and that's where Colin, we met there too, right?

3:50:20Collin PalmerOh my God. Yeah, dude. And I remember I brought, I came up, we did dads in your room.

3:50:26SpeakerYeah, we took a picture in front of the nice machine. Remember?

3:50:29Collin PalmerYeah, I remember that.

3:50:31BubblemanDid you guys send me that picture?

3:50:33Collin PalmerWe did, yeah, bro.

3:50:34BubblemanFuck, that's so funny. The minute he said that, I was like, Why do I feel like I've seen that picture? I'm like, of course they'd send me that picture. 100% man.

3:50:43SpeakerWe took that picture expressly to send it to you. That's what I mean. But I wasn't thinking like that. Let's take a selfie to send to Marcus. Bam. That's awesome. Right? Nice. To tell the audience the story, we took a picture in front of... Thank you for watching.

3:51:23BubblemanRob Clark.

3:51:24SpeakerSo Marcus, why don't you come down to CanMed? Colin and I are going to be down there. When's that?

3:51:30Collin PalmerYeah, so McKernan, we could probably get, probably talk to, I'll send him a message. It's June 15th. June 15th? Through the 18th, yeah. Where is it? Lake Tahoe.

3:51:45SpeakerLake Tahoe. Oh, in California. Yeah.

3:51:48Collin PalmerYeah, buddy.

3:51:49SpeakerOkay, okay. Come out to the lake.

3:51:51Collin PalmerIt's a beautiful spot.

3:51:52SpeakerCome down with my lady. Come on. Now, Colin has met you. Caleb has met you. And even though we've had this Internet bromance for over 10 years, we've never met. We've never met.

3:52:07BubblemanIt's going to be so weird when we meet each other and just be like, oh, like, like it's there's just always slight. I don't know who it happened with in Boston, but someone was like, oh, it was Colin. It was Colin. Someone that was there was like, holy, I didn't realize Colin was so tall. It freaked them out. I think it was Thomas from Grandmaster LEDs.

3:52:30SpeakerOh, no way.

3:52:31BubblemanHe was like, yeah, because we see each other. And sometimes it fits perfect and sometimes it's like, whoa. I'll tell you, when I used to meet people before I showed my face and I was just writing posts on overgrow.com, people would be like, oh, that's weird. I just thought you'd be like... Like bigger. No one pictured me skinny. The bubble man made them think that I was like the bubble man.

3:52:58SpeakerLike the Michelin man.

3:53:00BubblemanYeah, or just like had more weight, you know, like wasn't like skinny the way I am, but was just like maybe a little more chopped up.

3:53:09Collin PalmerI was so, I was much younger on the forum, so I'd meet up with people and they'd be like, man, I just thought you'd be older or something. I'd be like, no, bro. Like, but here's your clones. How tall are you, Colin? 6'3", 6'4"? I'm 6'2 and a half. No, you're the same. I'm 6'2". So maybe I'm 6'3". I don't know.

3:53:29BubblemanI think so. You're taller than me.

3:53:31Collin PalmerMaybe I'm still growing.

3:53:33BubblemanYeah, like when I look at you, you're taller than me. Maybe I'm still growing. No, dude, 50-year-old people think they're a height and then they go get measured and they're a totally different height than what they think.

3:53:46Collin PalmerWell, I've heard that as you get older, your feet get bigger, which was weird. My brother said that the other day. I was like,

3:53:52BubblemanThey just get all like huge. Well, I know our ears definitely never stop growing. I'm looking forward to some giant 100-year-old ears one day.

3:53:59Collin PalmerListen, your acoustics will get better. Listen.

3:54:02BubblemanYeah, I'll just be able to hear so well. I want to shout out the good folks at Grandmaster LED, Bubble Bags, The Press Club, and Puff Co. for being such good sponsors. Thank you, James. For linking up with Colin. Thank you, Colin, for going to link up with James and grabbing the Puffco gear.

3:54:22Collin PalmerI managed to... Oh, shout out to James, actually. I need to do that for him because he... Thank you, brother. Oh, yeah.

3:54:29BubblemanI got the link, dude. That's great.

3:54:31Collin PalmerYeah.

3:54:32BubblemanMine's never far. Thank you so much for joining us.

3:54:57BubblemanChemically silicone garbage. He's just like diarrhea Instagram post. And then I go and I look and I see he's from he's in Costa Rica. And I just wrote him back. I think it was Colin said, you got to tell that guy to go hit some waves. And I was like, yeah, I was just like, you know, dude, like you're in Costa Rica in paradise. Like, don't worry about what I'm doing, man.

3:55:15BubblemanLike, I'm good. You know, go hit some waves. I wasn't trying to be like, I gotcha. I wasn't trying to be a prick. I was legitimate. And you know what? He never really replied back to me. So I feel like I might have gotten through to him. So thank you for that. What was the guy's name? Let me go here through and see what his name was.

3:55:33BubblemanI have a crazy history. So there's a small percentage of a possibility.

3:55:38Collin PalmerI truly hope he went and found a wave and caught one for us.

3:55:43BubblemanI do too, man. I do 100%.

3:55:45Collin PalmerMaybe he was like, you know what? He's right. No.

3:55:49BubblemanOr just thought about it differently. You know, it's like, is this him? No. I don't know, dude. I get too many. He could be hundreds behind here. But maybe not. I just I thought I remembered his picture. Oh, wait. Maybe that's him. Oh no, this was another one. This one was amazing. Should I read this one too? Because it was pretty funny.

3:56:15SpeakerYeah.

3:56:15BubblemanHey man, y'all ever do product review care packages? I'd love to check y'all's stuff out and show some love on the page. And locally, I got decent growing fan base and clientele. I give 100% raw authentic reviews too. Love checking new brands out and old brands, new stuff, big love for the culture. And I'm a heavyweight. So if it passes my test, people know it's talking business.

3:56:37BubblemanIf y'all are interested in talking some out, I'd love to hear back. Have a good one. Okay, so I wrote back. I'm very busy and I get 400 of these messages a day. I absolutely wrote him back. I said, hey, dude, thanks for the offer. Unfortunately, our best reviews are people who buy the product. It's biased when we send it for free. He replies, not really biased.

3:57:00BubblemanIt's just biased, y'all. Just a weak-ass brand. Just say that, laughing emoji. Stuff looks mid as fuck anyways. That's how he replied to me after I, I was like, and then I said, oh, whoa, there we go. Now there goes the chameleon who claims positivity, but shows his true color. Thank you. I dodged a bullet there, didn't I? Dude, I could post, you know what? I should do a funniest Instagram private messages weekly event on hash church.

3:57:31BubblemanI think we're going to do it. It doesn't always have to be me. If you guys got good ones, we're happy to. I'm not about making fun of people. I'm not trying to like talk people down, but I would like to hold them accountable for their absolute and total bullshit when they projected on me and try to sort of bring my frequency and vibration down. It's like, dude, what the fuck?

3:57:51BubblemanI really wish I could find this surfer guy, dude, because his, oh, here he is, Colin, Colin Dunn. Must get tired of breaking those devices in and breathing all those silicone lubricants and Chinese manufacturing chemicals. Couldn't pay me to smoke even a toke out of one of those things, bro. And then he gives me like one of these and a wave emoji and a tropical coconut tree and a sun emoji.

3:58:18Collin PalmerMeanwhile, he's surfing on a board that's like... Listen, of course. I love surfboards, but it's the most toxic thing you could ever make.

3:58:27BubblemanI doubt anyone would offer to pay you to smoke out of one. And then I said, hey, aren't you in paradise? Why are you so salty sending shade? Go enjoy your life, homie. And then I added Collins. Go hit some waves. And then she didn't reply to me. His name is Colin Dunn. With Pura Vida, right? No, it's Colin Dunn and he is the white octave. If anyone wants to go say hi to the white octave, don't be mean.

3:58:57BubblemanYou're representing me or Hash Church. You know, be kind. If you want to go say hi to the other guy who wrote the review guy, I currently have him blocked, but he's John the Alien 865. So you can go say hi to John the Alien. He's the one that said, here's my favorite part. Hey, man, if you all ever do product review care packages, I'd love to check y'all's stuff out and show some love.

3:59:25BubblemanBias. You see how he's opened it up with, if you send me something, I'm going to show you some love. That was the bias output in the first sentence. You didn't hear that, Dr. Mark?

3:59:35SpeakerYeah, well, he thinks he has an overinflated opinion of his own opinion.

3:59:41BubblemanYes, exactly. So that's why I was like, that'll be biased. I'd rather, honestly... Mike, you want to know what my favorite reviews are? Bad ones. Because they teach me the most and I can change things the fastest. So if someone bought, like for instance, someone bought a gram and it was short, like we were like, fuck, we audited the lab. We audited the guy that was doing the things.

4:00:05BubblemanWell, first of all, we gave like three grams to the guy that got the short gram. Another thing was, oh, what else happened? There was another thing that, oh, a company sold my regular bubble. It's just, you know, it's 50 to 60%, but it's not melty bubble. They, their marketing guy took a copy and paste of a full melt paragraph and put it in with the ad at the store.

4:00:29BubblemanSo when someone came in to buy it, it said it was full melt. They had a whole Reddit post. I went in there. I found out exactly what happened. We audited it. We found out where it was. We fixed it. The guy apologized. He learned a lesson. The guy that hired him learned a lesson. I learned a lesson. And we gave a bunch of free hash to the guy that helped discover this vector of error.

4:00:50BubblemanThat's what we need. We're going to make mistakes. And the best reviews for me are the people that tell me the truth. If you are my supporter or you've been watching the show for a while and you get something that's not good, now listen. I'm not going to say I don't want you to post it publicly, but you are always welcome to hit me up privately first.

4:01:08BubblemanIf you feel it's important and it should be posted publicly, then post it publicly. The only thing I ask is that we play it out publicly right to the end and we continue showing what happened. Thank you so much for joining us today.

4:01:43BubblemanAppreciate it. Edgar coming in. He probably had to go do family stuff. Masonic Seeds, Stuart, congratulations on your second place at Masters of Rosins. Congratulations to Lulu Meltz on your first place win at Masters of Rosin. And yeah, we will see you next week. I'm hoping on doing another cryo episode with TJ from the original Resonator. We're going to bring back a bunch of his team. We're going to go deeper into sublimation, deeper into cryo extraction, bound and unbound water.

4:02:18BubblemanShould be a good one. I will try to get that thumbnail up here in the next little bit. But in the meantime, I would just say enjoy the rest of your day. Spend it with loved ones. Take some nice dabs. I have been away from my family for five days, so I'm super stoked to go hang out with them. But thanks everyone for watching. I really appreciate you, Bingo Lombardi, for holding it down.

4:02:41BubblemanAnd all the people that come every week. I really do fucking appreciate you. So let's keep it up. Hash Church for life. I laughed in Massachusetts. I was telling everyone that Hash Church is in the top 100. Best church podcasts in Canada. We're number three. You can search that on Google. That is funny as fuck. Peace out, everyone. May the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later.

4:03:09BubblemanAnd yes, Dr. Mark, you did do that.

4:03:11SpeakerPour it out.

4:03:12BubblemanPuff Co. Peace, everybody.

4:03:14SpeakerSchedule three, baby. Oh, shit.

4:03:18BubblemanThat's awesome.